IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-26

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00:44 druthb o/
00:44 rangi hi druthb
00:45 druthb :D  hi, rangi!
00:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 150th developer!!! <[…]660cf58675d61455a> / Bug 6723 : import-framework-crlf <[…]dff5b624005a8a734> / Bug 6721 - improve searching in the acquisitions system <[…]80b7ab40ce1d5705c
00:52 rangi :)
00:53 rangi 150 150 150
00:56 druthb wahoo!!!!
01:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing typo in history doc <[…]6934986970c6b9a9f>
01:12 rangi speaking speaking community hehe
01:13 rangi throw a chair!!!
01:13 mtj I LOVE TEHS COMPANY!!!!!
01:14 druthb @quote add mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!
01:14 huginn druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
01:14 rangi druthb: you know what thats from eh?
01:15 druthb @quote add mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!
01:15 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #149 added.
01:15 druthb no, it just made me giggle myself silly standing on its' own two feet.
01:15 rangi ahh its even better if know you the backstory
01:16 rangi
01:17 rangi or even better
01:17 druthb ROFLMAO
01:17 rangi[…]A&feature=related
01:18 mtj man, no one lights up a crowd of nerds like steve.b
01:18 druthb hehehehehe
01:18 rangi hehe
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01:21 druthb wahanui: druthb?
01:21 wahanui you are trying to find one of those long dresses the Amish women wear.
01:21 druthb wahanui: forget druthb
01:21 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb
01:22 druthb wahanui: rangi?
01:23 * druthb chuckles.
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02:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5524] Can't delete list from second page of results <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5524>
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02:20 rangi uh oh, someone is wrong on the internet
02:25 rangi in better news
02:25 rangi
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03:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6748 - Add link to fast add framework while circulating, if a barcode is not... <[…]527fda742a8edbba2> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6726' into kcmaster <[…]9e19b4761781e653f> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6726 - When SMS is enabled the messaging t
03:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4893, Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page <[…]9766230f784dc52bd> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6753' into kcmaster <[…]ec8c98bede50a0132> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6753, Markup corrections and improvements for labe
03:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <[…]16894300cdd7e0d6d> / Bug 5866 : Updated patch to speed up holds awaiting pickup <[…]3300cea3238ef72cd>
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03:51 Amit_Gupta heya chris
03:51 Amit_Gupta good morning ;)
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05:10 francharb hi
06:00 rangi evening
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06:14 reiveune hello
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06:49 hdl hi
06:49 wahanui hey, hdl
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06:55 cait hi all
06:57 hdl hi ca
06:57 hdl hi cait
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07:09 rangi hi hdl and cait
07:09 rangi cait: whats you doing today? bratwurst and bier ? :)
07:14 hdl hi rangi
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07:23 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:27 rangi po marie magnuse
07:28 magnuse um, hi rangi! ;-)
07:28 magnuse friday evening, eh?
07:30 cait rangi: currywurst perhaps, but no beer
07:30 cait going on a boat trip
07:30 cait supposed to be 33° today
07:30 cait bye :)
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07:30 magnuse @wunder berlin
07:30 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:30 magnuse @wunder berlin, germany
07:30 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:30 magnuse bleh
07:31 magnuse @wunder boo
07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
07:31 rangi magnuse use the airport
07:32 rangi @wunder schonefeld germany
07:32 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 23.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
07:32 rangi warm
07:33 magnuse yeah, and it's just 9.30 am yet...
07:34 rangi yeah
07:35 magnuse danielg++ # for the newsletter!
07:36 magnuse 8 people signed up for my gratis koha thingy so far, and i have one more coming soon!
07:36 rangi yay
07:38 magnuse when the translations are properly implemented for the packages i think i will probably expand the offer to denmark, sweden, finland, iceland...
07:38 rangi awesome
07:39 rangi i think we are getting pretty close with the packages
07:39 rangi srjan has gotten busy getting stuff ready for the rugby world cup
07:39 rangi but should be back soon
07:39 magnuse hehe
07:40 magnuse with the packages it takes way more time *telling* someone you set up an installation for them, than actually setting up the install
07:41 rangi hehe
07:41 rangi yeah the packages rule
07:41 rangi liw++
07:41 rangi eythian++
07:41 magnuse i'm gonna try and see if i can make koha-create send the email too, with a letter template and the email as a command line option...
07:41 * magnuse agrees wholeheartedly
07:41 rangi take a look at the request-db option
07:41 magnuse liw++
07:41 magnuse eythian++
07:42 magnuse srdjan++
07:42 magnuse (although he's never on irc, is he?)
07:42 rangi sometimes, papa is his nick
07:44 magnuse papa++ then
07:45 magnuse hm, not sure how request-db is relevant? it saves some stuff to a file and says "Please forward it to the right person"?
07:46 rangi yep, but the generating the file is a good start
07:48 magnuse ah, yes
08:29 slef hi all
08:31 magnuse kia ora slef
08:31 slef magnuse, rangi: have you secured your Koha servers against the recently-published apache DoS and did you have any problems doing so? (Yes, we're secured now, but something struck me as a bit odd and I just spent a while without getting to the bottom of it. I'm wondering about koha-httpd.conf)
08:32 magnuse hm, answering that in a publicly logged channel might not be a good idea...
08:32 slef feel free to msg if you prefer
08:33 magnuse :-)
08:35 rangi the sysadmins take care of that stuff
08:38 rangi also we run the packages, so our koha-httpd.conf is a bit different
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08:51 slef hmm :-/
08:57 slef rangi: did your sysadmins have any problems with it and why is the package koha-httpd.conf different in any way that matters? (debian/templates/apache-*conf right?)
09:02 rangi because it uses a different apache2, (mpm-itk) and splits things out into different places
09:02 rangi and no problems that i heard of
09:08 slef Do you have a test server that you wouldn't mind me running the vuln test on? I promise not to run the exploit itself
09:09 slef I think choice of which apache2 (mpm-itk or whatever) is possible with release koha-httpd.conf too. I'm pretty sure we've got different models on different servers.
09:13 rangi yep it might be possible with the tarball version too, you just cant run anything but itk with the packages, because it suexecs
09:14 rangi our staging server isnt accessible to the world
09:15 rangi but i could get one set up on monday
09:25 slef monday not a holiday for you?
09:25 rangi dont think so
09:26 rangi whats monday?
09:26 wahanui it has been said that monday is better
09:27 rangi im pretty sure labour day is our next one
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09:57 slef Monday is our late summer bank holiday. Not sure if there's any more reason to it than that.
09:58 slef Labour day is 1 May. Surely you have Xmas and New Year before that?
09:58 * slef looks to see when NZ thinks Labour day is
09:58 slef fourth Monday in October
10:03 rangi yeah not may day
10:03 rangi
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12:24 oleonard Hi #koha
12:31 magnuse ssh, it's quiet friday today... ;-)
12:33 oleonard I guess so
12:33 * oleonard starts rearranging the pots and pans
12:34 * magnuse has made pizza dough
12:39 * oleonard happily trims his dev branches for the patches pushed yesterday
12:40 * oleonard happily realizes that last sentence is completely nonsensical in standard English
12:40 magnuse yay
12:40 magnuse hehe
12:41 magnuse doing some gardening, eh?
12:42 magnuse a norwegian library just announced a position as "pop & rock librarian" :-)
12:42 oleonard I suppose so... "patches" could refer to patches of something growing
12:43 magnuse heh, yeah, i was just thinking about the branches
12:44 magnuse but why would pushing the patches around lead yuo to trim branches, i wonder? so they won't make shade for the patches?
12:47 * oleonard ponders the origin of the mysterious "dev" tree
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13:29 oleonard Hi sekjal
13:29 oleonard You have a lot to say about notifications :)
13:29 magnuse sekjal++
13:30 sekjal hi, oleonard, magnuse.  Yes, yes I do
13:31 sekjal libsysguy hit on a topic I've been thinking about for a while
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14:26 hdl sekjal: have you seen the C4::Mailer branch ?
14:27 sekjal hdl: not yet
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14:35 rhcl Koha Kenya -- Kool
14:44 Agent_Dani \O
14:44 * Agent_Dani is full of yawns today.
14:47 oleonard \O/  <-- yawn and stretch
14:52 * Agent_Dani sympathizes.
14:52 Agent_Dani Got paged about 2 hours after I fell asleep and ended-up awake for about two hours...alarm went off 2.5 hours later.
14:56 rhcl That's about like my normal sleep--I always sleep poorly.
15:01 Barrc Hey all - does anyone know off hand if there is a script in 3.4x that will table sort column headers in an outputted table? I can write one but no point reinventing the wheel!
15:02 oleonard Barrc: We use a JavaScript plugin to sort HTML tables in the interface if that's what you mean
15:03 Barrc Yep, great. Does it allow for user sort?
15:03 oleonard Clickable headers
15:03 Barrc Splendid! Thanks
15:05 oleonard
15:05 oleonard Barrc: Are you wanting to submit a patch to add the tablesorter somewhere?
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15:06 Barrc I am just working on a new feature (RFC) to follow....
15:07 Barrc which will add the tablesorter to a new page - if it's accepted!
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15:21 slef updated[…]n12#Summary_Table with as much as I know. Why does everyone go on holiday in August? ;-)
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15:32 magnuse slef++
15:32 magnuse edinburgh? cool!
15:38 hdl Barrc: oleonard... tablesorter should be considered as deprecated in favor of
15:38 hdl See a recent thread.
15:39 hdl tablesorter is quite a burden to maintain and require the whole table to be loaded into the page iirc...
15:39 hdl is far easier.
15:39 slef hdl: which recent thread?
15:39 hdl On koha-devel
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15:40 hdl thread initiated by paul
15:40 slef ah. I was looking at jquery lists
15:41 magnuse probably this thread: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ugust/036055.html
15:41 slef yeah just got there list 2s before you ;)
15:41 magnuse haha!
15:41 magnuse ;-)
15:42 slef oleonard and chris_n were both in favour
15:42 slef but more that datatables is a better option, not that tablesorter is deprecated?
15:42 hdl on jquery lists, see[…]ds/cg55/ft/MT7516
15:43 hdl slef: at least, i would prefer that a person investigate on datatables rather than tablesorter.
15:43 slef magnuse: I'm tempted to post only the kohacon summary table info unless anyone has questions. Do you think that's OK?
15:43 hdl Because the usage of tablesorter has proven to be quite hard to maintain.
15:44 hdl And If someone is to begin a new dev, he should be provided the best tools.
15:44 hdl and information
15:44 sekjal git-bz question:  on Ubuntu 11.04, running Firefox 6.0, my cookie doesn't seem to be setting properly, even though I've logged into on this machine
15:45 hdl and if I may say, BibLibre once considered tablesorter a nice tool. But with experience, it is not so good.
15:45 magnuse slef: i think that's a very good start! i would probably wait and see if the competition adds more info before i put more effort into it...
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15:46 * magnuse imagines kohacon12 + a trip to islay...
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15:51 rhcl sekjal: bad cookie cached? Clear all cookies and restart? Use private browsing?
15:52 slef sekjal: which git-bz are you using? ;-)
15:53 slef "There is no such place as the University of Wis-cosine, and if there was, the motto of their mathematics department would not be "Secant ye shall find.""
15:53 sekjal slef: cloned from your gitorious repo
15:53 slef sekjal: have you set the git config vars?
15:53 slef git-bz?
15:53 wahanui somebody said git-bz was at[…]_bz_configuration
15:54 slef and
15:54 sekjal ah, there we go
15:55 slef I don't remember if I culled the firefox-ripping stuff but the git config one will work anyway.
15:55 sekjal hadn't set the password, just the username
15:55 sekjal thought I'd done that... must be going crazy
15:55 * slef rereads his hack
15:56 sekjal works now
15:56 sekjal PEBKAC
15:57 slef not necessarily.... reading the code, I think it should have got it from your firefox if it didn't have both :-/
15:58 slef line 859 is if self.bz_user and self.bz_password:
15:58 slef might be a bug
15:59 sekjal it's going well now, so I'm not too concerned.  should make my QA process a little easier
16:01 reiveune bye
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16:05 libsysguy hey sekjal,  I just wanted to say thanks for replying to my RFC
16:05 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6790] C4::Serials::getroutinglist returns unnecessary variable <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6790>
16:06 libsysguy you basically laid out what I wanted to say
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16:07 sekjal libsysguy:  cool.  you'd hit on things I've been thinking about for a while, so I figured now would be a good time to start laying them out and getting the ball rolling
16:07 libsysguy yeah I'd really like to get things moving on it too.  After the first two replies I was afraid nobody shared my sentiments
16:09 sekjal it's no small job, and I can understand folks being wary of stepping into it, but it's definitely going to be worth it
16:10 sekjal I'm envisioning a system that can handle plaintext emails, HTML emails, HTML printed notices, SMS, RSS, Twitter, Facebook, Google+, whatever
16:10 sekjal just specify the notice format
16:11 sekjal and make those formats extensible
16:14 hdl sekjal: have you solved your performance problems ?
16:14 sekjal hdl:  in what sense?
16:14 hdl you said you were working on that...
16:15 sekjal we are working on Koha performance as a kind of Macro Project.  it takes a lot of different forms, from optimizing SQL and profiling the Perl code, to checking out different MySQL/Apache/Perl configs
16:16 hdl have you had some nice results ?
16:19 oleonard Sorry, I was afk. hdl: I agree that tablesorter will probably go away, but if someone is submitting a patch for 3.6 they should use tablesorter. A full conversion to datatables isn't going to happen quickly.
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16:21 hdl oleonard: I personnaly think that if we donot tell we are to use that tool and not that other one please consider using the first and not the latter in what you submit, then, we shall have issues... because when integrating new features, or new devs, we will end up having to reprocess things over and over.
16:21 rhcl libsysguy: I think we may have some suggestions, just haven't formulated them yet.
16:23 oleonard hdl: I asked a question in that thread that was not answered: Would Alex be willing to re-implement Bug 6086 using the datatables plugin to see if it fits that bug's requirements?
16:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6086 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , adding a dynamic filter to pending holds
16:23 oleonard It could be a good test case.
16:24 hdl oleonard: we are working on datatables integration.
16:24 hdl And the branch[…]ds/cg55/ft/MT7516
16:25 hdl is showing that it is work in progress for circulation.
16:25 hdl We shall soon take time to reprocess all the tablesorter we added.
16:25 hdl But it takes time.
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16:25 oleonard Is this branch based on master?
16:25 hdl And we needed a working implementation.
16:26 * Oak waves
16:26 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6733] printing routing list sends you to main serials page <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6733>
16:26 hdl oleonard: i wished we could base our work on master. But there are still many bug fixes still not applied.
16:27 rhcl Hi Oak
16:27 Oak heya rhcl :))
16:27 hdl and the translation process is still keeping us from deploying official Koha
16:27 oleonard How will we ever reintegrate it?
16:27 Oak how is you?
16:28 hdl we are revamping all those branches and cleaning them in order to resend them.
16:28 rhcl fine fine. same old stuff
16:29 Oak good good
16:29 Oak me go eat dinner now...
16:29 hdl oleonard: see :[…]an/cg55/ft/MT5671
16:29 Oak later
16:29 oleonard hdl: What is that?
16:29 wahanui that is the problem
16:30 hdl We are planning to recreate all our branches on koha-community/master
16:30 hdl oleonard: this is a feature branch we had created for a library.
16:31 hdl We are porting that onto master.
16:31 hdl branch after branch
16:38 nengard trying to add 21 lists to my koha install to test a patch
16:38 oleonard Bug 5524?
16:38 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5524 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Can't delete list from second page of results
16:38 * oleonard was just about to test it
16:39 nengard well go for it then :)
16:40 nengard Still gonna add the lists so I can test other things in the future i should have some lists
16:40 nengard I'll test another
16:44 * oleonard previously created many lists for just this kind of test
16:46 nengard :)
16:46 hdl we could have a standard sql database shared on the wiki to make tests easier.
16:46 nengard yeah, but I have my own personal collection in my Koha :)
16:47 oleonard The lists could be shared, as long as they were empty.
16:47 hdl we also have data.git on to share a sql file.
16:47 hdl for testing purpose
16:49 hdl If you want to send patches, feel free to do so.
16:49 hdl I thought wiki could be a friendlier place
16:51 oleonard nengard: Looks like you and I each discovered a new lists bug just from testing 5524.
16:51 nengard :)
16:51 oleonard Bug 6791, Bug 6792
16:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6791 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , editing list with apostrophe loses text
16:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6792 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lists pagination menu disappears after list deletion
16:51 nengard well that's good ... and bad
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16:56 hdl Is there no script for import deletion ?
17:09 libsysguy rhcl sorry it took so long for me to get back
17:10 libsysguy I'll keep that in mind
17:12 libsysguy I guess we are going to form some kind of task force
17:12 rhcl np
17:12 libsysguy maybe we can call it notification force 12
17:15 rhcl Task forces are typically named then postpended with greek letters. Notification Force 12 would therefore (typically) be Notification Force Μμ (Mu, the 12th letter of the Greek alphabet)
17:15 rhcl :)
17:15 libsysguy Even better :)
17:16 libsysguy I'll make sure and put that in the Wiki and bug ticket
17:16 oleonard Back shortly, need lunch.
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17:16 rhcl :)
17:16 rhcl yep, time for lunch here too...
17:22 wizzyrea whaddup peeps
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17:37 larryb Hello Koha
17:37 wizzyrea hi larry :D
17:37 larryb I have a quick question for the community.
17:37 wizzyrea shoot
17:38 larryb Is anyone using the PC Reservation System from Cybrarian, talking to their SIP server?
17:38 larryb They don't seem to have preconfigured settings for Koha yet, but I wondered if anyone's gotten it to work.
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17:39 wizzyrea ooo I haven't had the pleasure of working with cybrarian
17:41 larryb I've heard they're willing to create one, but I was hoping to save some time.
17:41 larryb Oh well.
17:41 wizzyrea well what settings does cybrarian need
17:42 * wizzyrea has done some work like this with envisionware
17:42 larryb Well, it looks from our SIP logs like their software isn't sending what KOHA SIP expects, or it's not getting back what it needs.
17:43 wizzyrea aha, so something like a send/expect script
17:43 wizzyrea does cybrarian have an example of one that works with say, sirsi?
17:43 larryb I think they have most of the commercial vendors, plus evergreen.
17:43 wizzyrea OH
17:43 wizzyrea have you tried using evergreen?
17:44 wizzyrea as the configuration
17:44 larryb That's what they're using now, but it's not working.
17:44 wizzyrea hmm
17:44 wizzyrea because we use the evergreen definitions with Envisionware
17:44 larryb hmm indeed. Sounds like it ought to work.
17:45 wizzyrea are those plaintext definitions, can we look at them?
17:45 wizzyrea (they are for envisionware)
17:45 larryb I'm going to see if I can get a demo of their software to play with.
17:45 wizzyrea question, how is it not working?
17:45 wizzyrea can't log in?
17:45 larryb Yeah.
17:45 wizzyrea or can log in, but other stuff isn't working
17:45 larryb can't log in.
17:45 wizzyrea ok, and just to verify
17:46 wizzyrea the sip user is defined both in the sipconfig *and* has a patron/staff account on the web interface, with circulate permissions
17:46 wizzyrea ?
17:46 larryb Yep.
17:46 wizzyrea ok cool, I always have to ask
17:47 larryb yeah, that's always the first thing I check too.
17:47 wizzyrea (another obvious one) and the passwords are the same?
17:47 larryb yep.
17:47 wizzyrea ok so it's not that, that's good :)
17:47 wizzyrea do you know does cybrarian have a place to define the send/expect?
17:47 wizzyrea like, envisionware has a file
17:47 wizzyrea sipscript.cfg
17:48 larryb I do not. That's why I want to get a copy of it.
17:48 wizzyrea and you put the send/expects in there
17:48 larryb Yeah, I'm hoping that's all that's needed.
17:48 wizzyrea I can send you the contents of our file for envisionware, if that would help
17:49 larryb That may. Thanks.
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18:01 sekjal wizzyrea:  are you still having problems with SIP and diacritics in titles?
18:04 wizzyrea good question, I don't know
18:04 wizzyrea i will ask right now
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18:05 wizzyrea hi hankbank :)
18:05 hankbank hi wizzyrea
18:05 wizzyrea I wonder if you have any thoughts on[…]Gamifying_the_ILS
18:05 wizzyrea :)
18:05 hankbank many
18:05 wizzyrea i'd love it if you added them to the wiki :)
18:06 hankbank ok
18:06 hankbank I will add my contribution to the collective wisdom :)
18:06 wizzyrea excellent, thanks :D
18:07 hankbank tho' you do know that I am a cantankerous sort of creature? Do you not? :)
18:07 wizzyrea I do, it's why I like you.
18:08 hankbank :) well alright then!
18:16 rhcl wizzyrea: where does envisionware keep the send/expect script?
18:16 wizzyrea arg, lol, let me look up the path
18:16 wizzyrea I would have this sent already except google docs is broken.
18:16 wizzyrea hrmph.
18:17 rhcl ah, so apparently it's on the Koha server somewhere? --not client side?
18:17 wizzyrea right
18:17 wizzyrea it's in the envisionware folder
18:17 rhcl ah.
18:17 rhcl ah.
18:17 wizzyrea i trust that you could find it, the name is sipscript.cfg
18:17 rhcl ok, I'll find it. no need to look it up for me.
18:17 wizzyrea i know you're clever that way :)
18:18 rhcl oh yea. I'm pretty dang "clever" :)
18:21 larryb wizzyrea: I spoke with Cybraryn. Their send/expect settings are coded into the software; it's not in a config file.
18:21 wizzyrea that SUUUCKS
18:21 wizzyrea tell them to make it not suck.
18:21 wizzyrea :)
18:21 larryb Yeah. So I'm going to send them the Koha info and they say they can get it coded in pretty quick.
18:21 wizzyrea cool, that's nice of them
18:21 rhcl I wonder about Userful. I don't see a script by the above name.
18:22 wizzyrea envisionware still doesn't properly support koha
18:22 rhcl sekjal: do you know offhand what Userful uses?
18:22 larryb Well, it's to their advantage to make their software work with as many systems as possible.
18:22 wizzyrea yea, you would think that
18:22 larryb So they seem anxious to get this fixed.
18:22 wizzyrea that's cool, wish I could say I had the same experience with envisionware.
18:23 wizzyrea they're like "just use evergreen" and "define your own d*** send/expect"
18:23 rhcl My impression of envisionware always was that they had good equipment that seemed to work well but which was expensive
18:23 wizzyrea they won't add it as an ILS
18:23 wizzyrea well the stuff we're using isn't equipment per se
18:23 wizzyrea just the software
18:23 wizzyrea no self checks or anything
18:23 wizzyrea envisionware is attainable for our libraries
18:23 wizzyrea apparently
18:24 rhcl yea, but I've seen their print controls--that and other things seemed to be integrated well. But that was an impression I got from seeing their systems several times back in the mid- late 2000s
18:25 wizzyrea yea we are not using the print controls
18:26 wizzyrea sekjal the tech in our self check library says that it's still a problem
18:26 wizzyrea the diacritcs
18:26 larryb wizzyrea: sekjal is away right now. You might want to do a 'later' at him.
18:27 wizzyrea ah I will
18:27 rhcl Does Envisionware still have that auto checker inner sorter thinger?
18:27 oleonard You and your technical mumbo jumbo.
18:27 wizzyrea I think so, heh
18:28 rhcl @later tell sekjal "Do you know if Userful has any kind of config script (send/receive/expect) on our Koha server?
18:28 huginn rhcl: Error: No closing quotation
18:28 rhcl wahhh
18:28 rhcl @later tell sekjal "Do you know if Userful has any kind of config script (send/receive/expect) on our Koha server?"
18:28 huginn rhcl: The operation succeeded.
18:29 rhcl I always thought the "auto checker inner sorter thinger" (do those things have a succinct name?) was really really cool
18:29 wizzyrea @later tell sekjal diacritics + 3m selfcheck = still broken
18:29 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
18:30 wizzyrea no quotes necessary :P
18:30 rhcl Yea, but it helps me... ;)
18:31 wizzyrea lol, you are strange but endearing.
18:32 rhcl well
18:32 rhcl well, thank u
18:35 wizzyrea when was hurricane katrina?
18:35 wizzyrea what year?
18:35 wizzyrea 2006?
18:35 wizzyrea or 2005
18:36 oleonard You know they make an internet for that.
18:36 wizzyrea hrmph.
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18:36 wizzyrea 2005, smarty
18:36 oleonard 2005
18:36 oleonard jinx
18:37 wizzyrea i remember watching katrina come in on my birthday in 2005 too.
18:37 wizzyrea stupid irene. stay away from my friends!
18:37 oleonard Oh is it your birthday wizzyrea?
18:37 wizzyrea is it?
18:37 wizzyrea I hear they make an internet for that.
18:37 wizzyrea SNAP
18:37 oleonard :P
18:38 wizzyrea <3
18:38 oleonard I guess Facebook is failing to keep up my social obligations today!
18:38 oleonard Happy birthday!
18:38 wizzyrea thanks :)
18:39 wizzyrea[…]-aug-26-2011.html
18:39 wizzyrea :(
18:39 rhcl OH YES! Happy Birthday wizzyrea
18:39 rhcl !!
18:41 wizzyrea thanks ^.^
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18:50 wizzyrea I love this sort of thing
18:50 wizzyrea[…]ingsf/6079677293/
18:51 rangi morning
18:51 wizzyrea mornin :)
18:51 rangi and happy american birthday wizzyrea
18:51 rangi you are already old here im afraid
18:52 wizzyrea thank you... well I do turn 100000 to day
18:52 wizzyrea everyone's old in the future :)
19:09 rangi oh, the 150th committer to koha was on your birthday wizzyrea
19:09 wizzyrea that is an AWESOME present :)
19:11 rangi watch me hijack a mail thread to announce it
19:11 * wizzyrea watches
19:12 * oleonard gets the popcorn
19:12 nengard how do i leave a comment on the koha site? I'm logged in and I see the link that says 'add your comment' but no comment box to type in
19:12 wizzyrea which page
19:12 wahanui which page are you thinking?
19:12 wizzyrea forget which page
19:12 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which page
19:12 nengard[…]t-page-1/#respond
19:13 wizzyrea that has expired
19:13 wizzyrea that's why
19:13 wizzyrea no comments on posts over 30 days old
19:13 wizzyrea today is the 26th, it was posted on the 26 of july
19:13 nengard but that comment was left yesterday
19:13 oleonard You just missed it!
19:14 nengard oh
19:14 nengard k
19:14 nengard wont reply
19:14 oleonard If you knew the admin she might be able to help you.
19:14 wizzyrea if ONLY we knew the ADMIN.
19:14 oleonard You'll have to bring a birthday present though.
19:14 * wizzyrea looks around
19:15 wizzyrea if you refresh, you may see the comment box again?
19:17 wizzyrea oh wait
19:17 wizzyrea cache
19:17 wizzyrea sec
19:18 wizzyrea ok how about now
19:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6791] editing list with apostrophe loses text <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6791>
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19:21 * wizzyrea applauds rangi
19:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 6747 Checks in opac-export <[…]00724eddbcd69d66a>
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19:31 rhcl whoooa. NELKS is a high-roller!
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19:31 rhcl NEKLS+
19:31 oleonard ?
19:32 cait hi #koha
19:32 sekjal sorry for disappearing; meeting
19:33 oleonard Hi cait
19:33 cait hi owen :)
19:33 cait sekjal: whohoo :)
19:33 rhcl hi cait
19:33 sekjal rhcl:  no, don't know of any Userful script that would be handy. sorry
19:33 cait hi rhcl :)
19:33 sekjal wizzyrea:  what cait's whohoo'ing about, you should be, too
19:33 wizzyrea diacritics?!
19:34 sekjal cait's colleague fixed the SIP diacritics issue *elegantly*
19:34 rhcl sekjal: well, I though maybe they had put one on there.
19:34 wizzyrea OMG
19:34 wizzyrea OMG OMG
19:34 * wizzyrea bounces and squees
19:34 cait he would want me to say it was not his fix
19:34 sekjal it's passed QA, ready for Chris to push
19:34 wizzyrea OMG
19:34 wizzyrea BSZ++
19:34 wizzyrea wait
19:34 cait but he found it, so I still think he did great :)
19:34 wizzyrea is that right?
19:34 oleonard Don't say they never got you anything
19:34 wizzyrea dude
19:34 sekjal cait:  right, his work is based of Dan Scott's, but he found it, wrote it and submitted it
19:34 wizzyrea that is also a fabulous present
19:34 cait bsz is right liz :)
19:34 wizzyrea yaya
19:34 cait or uli++
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19:35 wizzyrea uli++
19:35 wizzyrea uli++
19:35 cait hehe
19:35 cait he missed numbe 150 though, hehe
19:35 cait what is the other present?
19:35 cait I was busy getting sunburnt today
19:35 wizzyrea 150 contributors to koha :)
19:35 cait ah
19:35 cait saw chris' tweet earlier
19:36 wizzyrea I got a very pretty locket too
19:36 wizzyrea but (seriously) the best present is being friends with you people
19:36 pelletiermaxime hey, was the bug 6510 ever applied to 3.2.x ? I can only find it in the 3.4.2 changelog
19:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6510 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , "Sort by" in intranet search alters search and number of hits
19:36 rangi we really need to get back to reconciling the SIP stuff
19:37 cait yes, it would be good
19:37 rangi ill look pelletiermaxime
19:37 wizzyrea explain
19:37 cait but for now we can checkout things with umlauts :)
19:37 cait and morning rangi
19:37 rangi well its silly for us (eg and us) to both work on it
19:37 wizzyrea oh oh oh
19:37 wizzyrea yes
19:37 wizzyrea does EG have the problem with umlauts?
19:37 rangi no, they solved it
19:37 wizzyrea aha
19:37 rangi thats where this fix comes from
19:37 wizzyrea gotcha
19:38 wizzyrea i didn't have the backstory there
19:38 rangi pelletiermaxime: no, pushed after 3.2.x was end of lifed
19:39 pelletiermaxime rangi: ok thx for looking
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19:39 rangi jun 19 was last 3.2 release
19:40 pelletiermaxime ah ok
19:40 rangi that was a week too late ;)
19:40 oleonard cait: I hope I didn't duplicate any of your work on Bug 6458
19:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing
19:40 rangi it should be cherry-pickable though
19:40 cait not sure - have not checked all the mails yet
19:40 pelletiermaxime rangi: in all case, shouldn't this bug be closed now ?
19:40 * cait whispers: I am on vacation
19:41 rangi need someone to test it, and mark it resolved, then yep
19:41 cait oleonard: I had done suggestion and results on the train but lost internet connection, sent them earlier today. nothing more in the works
19:41 pelletiermaxime rangi: fwiw I just tested it and it fixes the problem =)
19:42 rangi mark it resolved then please :)
19:42 rangi resolved - fixed
19:42 rangi holy crap
19:42 rangi 300k ppl being evacuated
19:43 wizzyrea jesus.
19:43 rangi[…]s-NYC-evacuations
19:43 * wizzyrea does not like this at all
19:43 rangi laurels brother lives in brooklyn
19:43 wizzyrea not. at. all.
19:43 rangi is that flood prone?
19:44 * rangi doesnt know nyc well
19:44 * wizzyrea either
19:45 oleonard cait: I signed off on all of yours and submitted a couple of my own
19:45 oleonard was a mess.
19:45 cait oleonard: no surprise!
19:46 cait oleonard: and thank you!
19:47 * oleonard likes to keep busy
19:47 wizzyrea !!!
19:47 wizzyrea[…]uake-strikes-Peru
19:47 cait :(
19:48 wizzyrea ooo, I want to check and see what you've done to memberentry :)
19:48 wizzyrea remote tho
19:48 rhcl jcamins is/is not (circle one) in that area ATT
19:48 rangi 145km deep
19:48 oleonard wizzyrea: Nothing visible, just markup changes to help translations
19:48 rangi that would feel like not a lot on the surface
19:48 wizzyrea and in the jungle
19:48 wizzyrea mhm
19:49 sekjal tornadoes, earthquakes and hurricanes, all in short succession... maybe Western Mass isn't the safest place to live anymore...
19:50 wizzyrea heh
19:50 sekjal but it's not sounding like anywhere else is much safer
19:50 wizzyrea are you gonna, as they say, get out of dodge?
19:50 wizzyrea idk about jcamins
19:50 wizzyrea ping jcamins_away
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20:01 sekjal brb
20:02 rhcl @seen bg
20:02 huginn rhcl: bg was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 47 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <bg> ;)
20:02 rhcl should be about time for bg to wake up?
20:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6019] Using memoize_memcached to cache slow subroutines <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6019>
20:05 cait sekjal++ #thx for testing :)
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20:34 Topic for #koha is now 3.4.4 is now available; Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting.
20:35 cait hehe
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21:02 wizzyrea nothing about that immediately calls out to me as wrong.
21:02 rangi ill rework it for template::toolkit (3.2 is end of life so we wont be doing any more releases for that but its good cos it shows how to fix it for 3.4/3.6 too)
21:02 pelletiermaxime rangi: yeah i know
21:02 pelletiermaxime rangi: thanks =)
21:02 wizzyrea except that it's HTP
21:03 pelletiermaxime ?
21:03 wizzyrea html::template::pro, the old template system
21:03 wizzyrea the one in use in 3.2
21:03 pelletiermaxime yeah, I know
21:03 rangi hmm is git.kc being annoying again?
21:04 wizzyrea it's certainly being poky
21:04 rangi dang nabbit
21:09 jcamins_away For the record, toilets that can't be flushed unless you have running water are a dumb idea.
21:09 wizzyrea ^^ truth
21:09 wizzyrea you know bill gates has an initiative to design a better toilet
21:10 jcamins_away I did not.
21:11 jcamins_away Does my message about us not being in an evacuation zone show in Google+ for anyone?
21:12 rhcl jcamins_away: aren't you in an area that's likely to be getting plenty of running water soon?
21:12 rangi done
21:12 wizzyrea yepper
21:12 jcamins_away rhcl: yeah, but possibly not through the pipes!
21:12 wizzyrea bummer about the anniversary
21:13 jcamins_away Yeah. At least it'll be memorable.
21:13 wizzyrea the 27th?
21:13 wizzyrea weren't you working on the day of your wedding :P
21:13 jcamins_away "So what did you do for your first anniversary?" "Well, we rearranged our apartment to get everything away from the windows."
21:13 wizzyrea last year
21:13 wizzyrea lol
21:13 wizzyrea oy
21:16 jcamins_away Errr... only briefly.
21:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6794] Broken toggle in member-flags in ie <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6794>
21:16 jcamins_away That's also the day that C & P was officially incorporated.
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21:35 cait bye all :)
21:36 cait left #koha
21:37 * larryb is away:
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21:48 rangi hmm what to do today
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