Time Nick Message 00:44 druthb o/ 00:44 rangi hi druthb 00:45 druthb :D hi, rangi! 00:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 150th developer!!! <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6293a8e9a75135dc81f087660cf58675d61455a> / Bug 6723 : import-framework-crlf <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07838bfcb16bf329bbc4953dff5b624005a8a734> / Bug 6721 - improve searching in the acquisitions system <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=54d38461f043770e3a980b7ab40ce1d5705c 00:52 rangi :) 00:53 rangi 150 150 150 00:56 druthb wahoo!!!! 01:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fixing typo in history doc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c346e25269ada0b3fa5f5a6934986970c6b9a9f> 01:12 rangi speaking speaking community hehe 01:13 mtj DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! 01:13 rangi throw a chair!!! 01:13 mtj I LOVE TEHS COMPANY!!!!! 01:14 druthb @quote add mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! 01:14 huginn druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 01:14 rangi druthb: you know what thats from eh? 01:15 druthb @quote add mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! 01:15 huginn druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #149 added. 01:15 druthb no, it just made me giggle myself silly standing on its' own two feet. 01:15 rangi ahh its even better if know you the backstory 01:16 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE 01:17 rangi or even better 01:17 druthb ROFLMAO 01:17 rangi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ZarKIKpSA&feature=related 01:18 mtj man, no one lights up a crowd of nerds like steve.b 01:18 druthb hehehehehe 01:18 rangi hehe 01:21 druthb wahanui: druthb? 01:21 wahanui you are trying to find one of those long dresses the Amish women wear. 01:21 druthb wahanui: forget druthb 01:21 wahanui druthb: I forgot druthb 01:22 druthb wahanui: rangi? 01:22 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! 01:23 * druthb chuckles. 02:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5524] Can't delete list from second page of results <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5524> 02:20 rangi uh oh, someone is wrong on the internet 02:25 rangi in better news 02:25 rangi http://www.kiva.org/team/koha/loans 03:12 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6748 - Add link to fast add framework while circulating, if a barcode is not... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=589403d2e8e48d3a64352bc527fda742a8edbba2> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6726' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e395ff152f1c8801500e719e19b4761781e653f> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6726 - When SMS is enabled the messaging t 03:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 4893, Add an input field for Check In on main Staff Client page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0cf959123edb87db184f6779766230f784dc52bd> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6753' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eac3046dd9ff107812a4b59ec8c98bede50a0132> / Follow-up fix for Bug 6753, Markup corrections and improvements for labe 03:36 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bumping database version <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=71925724963482c196608c016894300cdd7e0d6d> / Bug 5866 : Updated patch to speed up holds awaiting pickup <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f320582b2f0a13a1a604d353300cea3238ef72cd> 03:51 Amit_Gupta heya chris 03:51 Amit_Gupta good morning ;) 05:10 francharb hi 06:00 rangi evening 06:14 reiveune hello 06:49 hdl hi 06:49 wahanui hey, hdl 06:55 cait hi all 06:57 hdl hi ca 06:57 hdl hi cait 07:09 rangi hi hdl and cait 07:09 rangi cait: whats you doing today? bratwurst and bier ? :) 07:14 hdl hi rangi 07:23 magnuse kia ora #koha 07:27 rangi po marie magnuse 07:28 magnuse um, hi rangi! ;-) 07:28 magnuse friday evening, eh? 07:30 cait rangi: currywurst perhaps, but no beer 07:30 cait going on a boat trip 07:30 cait supposed to be 33° today 07:30 cait bye :) 07:30 magnuse @wunder berlin 07:30 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 07:30 magnuse @wunder berlin, germany 07:30 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. 07:30 magnuse bleh 07:31 magnuse @wunder boo 07:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 07:31 rangi magnuse use the airport 07:32 rangi @wunder schonefeld germany 07:32 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Berlin Schoenefeld, Germany is 23.0�C (9:20 AM CEST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 19.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). 07:32 rangi warm 07:33 magnuse yeah, and it's just 9.30 am yet... 07:34 rangi yeah 07:35 magnuse danielg++ # for the newsletter! 07:36 magnuse 8 people signed up for my gratis koha thingy so far, and i have one more coming soon! 07:36 rangi yay 07:38 magnuse when the translations are properly implemented for the packages i think i will probably expand the offer to denmark, sweden, finland, iceland... 07:38 rangi awesome 07:39 rangi i think we are getting pretty close with the packages 07:39 rangi srjan has gotten busy getting stuff ready for the rugby world cup 07:39 rangi but should be back soon 07:39 magnuse hehe 07:40 magnuse with the packages it takes way more time *telling* someone you set up an installation for them, than actually setting up the install 07:41 rangi hehe 07:41 rangi yeah the packages rule 07:41 rangi liw++ 07:41 rangi eythian++ 07:41 magnuse i'm gonna try and see if i can make koha-create send the email too, with a letter template and the email as a command line option... 07:41 * magnuse agrees wholeheartedly 07:41 rangi take a look at the request-db option 07:41 magnuse liw++ 07:41 magnuse eythian++ 07:42 magnuse srdjan++ 07:42 magnuse (although he's never on irc, is he?) 07:42 rangi sometimes, papa is his nick 07:44 magnuse papa++ then 07:45 magnuse hm, not sure how request-db is relevant? it saves some stuff to a file and says "Please forward it to the right person"? 07:46 rangi yep, but the generating the file is a good start 07:48 magnuse ah, yes 08:29 slef hi all 08:31 magnuse kia ora slef 08:31 slef magnuse, rangi: have you secured your Koha servers against the recently-published apache DoS and did you have any problems doing so? (Yes, we're secured now, but something struck me as a bit odd and I just spent a while without getting to the bottom of it. I'm wondering about koha-httpd.conf) 08:32 magnuse hm, answering that in a publicly logged channel might not be a good idea... 08:32 slef feel free to msg if you prefer 08:33 magnuse :-) 08:35 rangi the sysadmins take care of that stuff 08:38 rangi also we run the packages, so our koha-httpd.conf is a bit different 08:51 slef hmm :-/ 08:57 slef rangi: did your sysadmins have any problems with it and why is the package koha-httpd.conf different in any way that matters? (debian/templates/apache-*conf right?) 09:02 rangi because it uses a different apache2, (mpm-itk) and splits things out into different places 09:02 rangi and no problems that i heard of 09:08 slef Do you have a test server that you wouldn't mind me running the vuln test on? I promise not to run the exploit itself 09:09 slef I think choice of which apache2 (mpm-itk or whatever) is possible with release koha-httpd.conf too. I'm pretty sure we've got different models on different servers. 09:13 rangi yep it might be possible with the tarball version too, you just cant run anything but itk with the packages, because it suexecs 09:14 rangi our staging server isnt accessible to the world 09:15 rangi but i could get one set up on monday 09:25 slef monday not a holiday for you? 09:25 rangi dont think so 09:26 rangi whats monday? 09:26 wahanui it has been said that monday is better 09:27 rangi im pretty sure labour day is our next one 09:57 slef Monday is our late summer bank holiday. Not sure if there's any more reason to it than that. 09:58 slef Labour day is 1 May. Surely you have Xmas and New Year before that? 09:58 * slef looks to see when NZ thinks Labour day is 09:58 slef fourth Monday in October 10:03 rangi yeah not may day 10:03 rangi http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/labour-day 11:13 druthb o/ 12:24 oleonard Hi #koha 12:31 magnuse ssh, it's quiet friday today... ;-) 12:33 oleonard I guess so 12:33 * oleonard starts rearranging the pots and pans 12:34 * magnuse has made pizza dough 12:39 * oleonard happily trims his dev branches for the patches pushed yesterday 12:40 * oleonard happily realizes that last sentence is completely nonsensical in standard English 12:40 magnuse yay 12:40 magnuse hehe 12:41 magnuse doing some gardening, eh? 12:42 magnuse a norwegian library just announced a position as "pop & rock librarian" :-) 12:42 oleonard I suppose so... "patches" could refer to patches of something growing 12:43 magnuse heh, yeah, i was just thinking about the branches 12:44 magnuse but why would pushing the patches around lead yuo to trim branches, i wonder? so they won't make shade for the patches? 12:47 * oleonard ponders the origin of the mysterious "dev" tree 13:29 oleonard Hi sekjal 13:29 oleonard You have a lot to say about notifications :) 13:29 magnuse sekjal++ 13:30 sekjal hi, oleonard, magnuse. Yes, yes I do 13:31 sekjal libsysguy hit on a topic I've been thinking about for a while 14:26 hdl sekjal: have you seen the C4::Mailer branch ? 14:27 sekjal hdl: not yet 14:35 rhcl Koha Kenya -- Kool 14:44 Agent_Dani \O 14:44 * Agent_Dani is full of yawns today. 14:47 oleonard \O/ <-- yawn and stretch 14:52 * Agent_Dani sympathizes. 14:52 Agent_Dani Got paged about 2 hours after I fell asleep and ended-up awake for about two hours...alarm went off 2.5 hours later. 14:56 rhcl That's about like my normal sleep--I always sleep poorly. 15:01 Barrc Hey all - does anyone know off hand if there is a script in 3.4x that will table sort column headers in an outputted table? I can write one but no point reinventing the wheel! 15:02 oleonard Barrc: We use a JavaScript plugin to sort HTML tables in the interface if that's what you mean 15:03 Barrc Yep, great. Does it allow for user sort? 15:03 oleonard Clickable headers 15:03 Barrc Splendid! Thanks 15:05 oleonard http://tablesorter.com/ 15:05 oleonard Barrc: Are you wanting to submit a patch to add the tablesorter somewhere? 15:06 Barrc I am just working on a new feature (RFC) to follow.... 15:07 Barrc which will add the tablesorter to a new page - if it's accepted! 15:21 slef updated http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposals_for_KohaCon12#Summary_Table with as much as I know. Why does everyone go on holiday in August? ;-) 15:32 magnuse slef++ 15:32 magnuse edinburgh? cool! 15:38 hdl Barrc: oleonard... tablesorter should be considered as deprecated in favor of datatables.net 15:38 hdl See a recent thread. 15:39 hdl tablesorter is quite a burden to maintain and require the whole table to be loaded into the page iirc... 15:39 hdl datatables.net is far easier. 15:39 slef hdl: which recent thread? 15:39 hdl On koha-devel 15:40 hdl thread initiated by paul 15:40 slef ah. I was looking at jquery lists 15:41 magnuse probably this thread: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2011-August/036055.html 15:41 slef yeah just got there list 2s before you ;) 15:41 magnuse haha! 15:41 magnuse ;-) 15:42 slef oleonard and chris_n were both in favour 15:42 slef but more that datatables is a better option, not that tablesorter is deprecated? 15:42 hdl on jquery lists, see http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cg55/ft/MT7516 15:43 hdl slef: at least, i would prefer that a person investigate on datatables rather than tablesorter. 15:43 slef magnuse: I'm tempted to post only the kohacon summary table info unless anyone has questions. Do you think that's OK? 15:43 hdl Because the usage of tablesorter has proven to be quite hard to maintain. 15:44 hdl And If someone is to begin a new dev, he should be provided the best tools. 15:44 hdl and information 15:44 sekjal git-bz question: on Ubuntu 11.04, running Firefox 6.0, my cookie doesn't seem to be setting properly, even though I've logged into bugs.koha-community.org on this machine 15:45 hdl and if I may say, BibLibre once considered tablesorter a nice tool. But with experience, it is not so good. 15:45 magnuse slef: i think that's a very good start! i would probably wait and see if the competition adds more info before i put more effort into it... 15:46 * magnuse imagines kohacon12 + a trip to islay... 15:51 rhcl sekjal: bad cookie cached? Clear all cookies and restart? Use private browsing? 15:52 slef sekjal: which git-bz are you using? ;-) 15:53 slef "There is no such place as the University of Wis-cosine, and if there was, the motto of their mathematics department would not be "Secant ye shall find."" 15:53 sekjal slef: cloned from your gitorious repo 15:53 slef sekjal: have you set the git config vars? 15:53 slef git-bz? 15:53 wahanui somebody said git-bz was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 15:54 slef bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-user and bz-tracker.bugs.koha-community.org.bz-password 15:54 sekjal ah, there we go 15:55 slef I don't remember if I culled the firefox-ripping stuff but the git config one will work anyway. 15:55 sekjal hadn't set the password, just the username 15:55 sekjal thought I'd done that... must be going crazy 15:55 * slef rereads his hack 15:56 sekjal works now 15:56 sekjal PEBKAC 15:57 slef not necessarily.... reading the code, I think it should have got it from your firefox if it didn't have both :-/ 15:58 slef line 859 is if self.bz_user and self.bz_password: 15:58 slef might be a bug 15:59 sekjal it's going well now, so I'm not too concerned. should make my QA process a little easier 16:01 reiveune bye 16:05 libsysguy hey sekjal, I just wanted to say thanks for replying to my RFC 16:05 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6790] C4::Serials::getroutinglist returns unnecessary variable <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6790> 16:06 libsysguy you basically laid out what I wanted to say 16:07 sekjal libsysguy: cool. you'd hit on things I've been thinking about for a while, so I figured now would be a good time to start laying them out and getting the ball rolling 16:07 libsysguy yeah I'd really like to get things moving on it too. After the first two replies I was afraid nobody shared my sentiments 16:09 sekjal it's no small job, and I can understand folks being wary of stepping into it, but it's definitely going to be worth it 16:10 sekjal I'm envisioning a system that can handle plaintext emails, HTML emails, HTML printed notices, SMS, RSS, Twitter, Facebook, Google+, whatever 16:10 sekjal just specify the notice format 16:11 sekjal and make those formats extensible 16:14 hdl sekjal: have you solved your performance problems ? 16:14 sekjal hdl: in what sense? 16:14 hdl you said you were working on that... 16:15 sekjal we are working on Koha performance as a kind of Macro Project. it takes a lot of different forms, from optimizing SQL and profiling the Perl code, to checking out different MySQL/Apache/Perl configs 16:16 hdl have you had some nice results ? 16:19 oleonard Sorry, I was afk. hdl: I agree that tablesorter will probably go away, but if someone is submitting a patch for 3.6 they should use tablesorter. A full conversion to datatables isn't going to happen quickly. 16:21 hdl oleonard: I personnaly think that if we donot tell we are to use that tool and not that other one please consider using the first and not the latter in what you submit, then, we shall have issues... because when integrating new features, or new devs, we will end up having to reprocess things over and over. 16:21 rhcl libsysguy: I think we may have some suggestions, just haven't formulated them yet. 16:23 oleonard hdl: I asked a question in that thread that was not answered: Would Alex be willing to re-implement Bug 6086 using the datatables plugin to see if it fits that bug's requirements? 16:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6086 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, alex.arnaud, ASSIGNED , adding a dynamic filter to pending holds 16:23 oleonard It could be a good test case. 16:24 hdl oleonard: we are working on datatables integration. 16:24 hdl And the branch http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/cg55/ft/MT7516 16:25 hdl is showing that it is work in progress for circulation. 16:25 hdl We shall soon take time to reprocess all the tablesorter we added. 16:25 hdl But it takes time. 16:25 oleonard Is this branch based on master? 16:25 hdl And we needed a working implementation. 16:26 * Oak waves 16:26 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6733] printing routing list sends you to main serials page <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6733> 16:26 hdl oleonard: i wished we could base our work on master. But there are still many bug fixes still not applied. 16:27 rhcl Hi Oak 16:27 Oak heya rhcl :)) 16:27 hdl and the translation process is still keeping us from deploying official Koha 16:27 oleonard How will we ever reintegrate it? 16:27 Oak how is you? 16:28 hdl we are revamping all those branches and cleaning them in order to resend them. 16:28 rhcl fine fine. same old stuff 16:29 Oak good good 16:29 Oak me go eat dinner now... 16:29 hdl oleonard: see : http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koha;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/clean/cg55/ft/MT5671 16:29 Oak later 16:29 oleonard hdl: What is that? 16:29 wahanui that is the problem 16:30 hdl We are planning to recreate all our branches on koha-community/master 16:30 hdl oleonard: this is a feature branch we had created for a library. 16:31 hdl We are porting that onto master. 16:31 hdl branch after branch 16:38 nengard trying to add 21 lists to my koha install to test a patch 16:38 oleonard Bug 5524? 16:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5524 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Can't delete list from second page of results 16:38 * oleonard was just about to test it 16:39 nengard well go for it then :) 16:40 nengard Still gonna add the lists so I can test other things in the future i should have some lists 16:40 nengard I'll test another 16:44 * oleonard previously created many lists for just this kind of test 16:46 nengard :) 16:46 hdl we could have a standard sql database shared on the wiki to make tests easier. 16:46 nengard yeah, but I have my own personal collection in my Koha :) 16:47 oleonard The lists could be shared, as long as they were empty. 16:47 hdl we also have data.git on git.biblibre.com to share a sql file. 16:47 hdl for testing purpose 16:49 hdl If you want to send patches, feel free to do so. 16:49 hdl I thought wiki could be a friendlier place 16:51 oleonard nengard: Looks like you and I each discovered a new lists bug just from testing 5524. 16:51 nengard :) 16:51 oleonard Bug 6791, Bug 6792 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6791 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , editing list with apostrophe loses text 16:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Lists pagination menu disappears after list deletion 16:51 nengard well that's good ... and bad 16:56 hdl Is there no script for import deletion ? 17:09 libsysguy rhcl sorry it took so long for me to get back 17:10 libsysguy I'll keep that in mind 17:12 libsysguy I guess we are going to form some kind of task force 17:12 rhcl np 17:12 libsysguy maybe we can call it notification force 12 17:15 rhcl Task forces are typically named then postpended with greek letters. Notification Force 12 would therefore (typically) be Notification Force Μμ (Mu, the 12th letter of the Greek alphabet) 17:15 rhcl :) 17:15 libsysguy Even better :) 17:16 libsysguy I'll make sure and put that in the Wiki and bug ticket 17:16 oleonard Back shortly, need lunch. 17:16 rhcl :) 17:16 rhcl yep, time for lunch here too... 17:22 wizzyrea whaddup peeps 17:37 larryb Hello Koha 17:37 wizzyrea hi larry :D 17:37 larryb I have a quick question for the community. 17:37 wizzyrea shoot 17:38 larryb Is anyone using the PC Reservation System from Cybrarian, talking to their SIP server? 17:38 larryb They don't seem to have preconfigured settings for Koha yet, but I wondered if anyone's gotten it to work. 17:39 wizzyrea ooo I haven't had the pleasure of working with cybrarian 17:41 larryb I've heard they're willing to create one, but I was hoping to save some time. 17:41 larryb Oh well. 17:41 wizzyrea well what settings does cybrarian need 17:42 * wizzyrea has done some work like this with envisionware 17:42 larryb Well, it looks from our SIP logs like their software isn't sending what KOHA SIP expects, or it's not getting back what it needs. 17:43 wizzyrea aha, so something like a send/expect script 17:43 wizzyrea does cybrarian have an example of one that works with say, sirsi? 17:43 larryb I think they have most of the commercial vendors, plus evergreen. 17:43 wizzyrea OH 17:43 wizzyrea have you tried using evergreen? 17:44 wizzyrea as the configuration 17:44 larryb That's what they're using now, but it's not working. 17:44 wizzyrea hmm 17:44 wizzyrea because we use the evergreen definitions with Envisionware 17:44 larryb hmm indeed. Sounds like it ought to work. 17:45 wizzyrea are those plaintext definitions, can we look at them? 17:45 wizzyrea (they are for envisionware) 17:45 larryb I'm going to see if I can get a demo of their software to play with. 17:45 wizzyrea question, how is it not working? 17:45 wizzyrea can't log in? 17:45 larryb Yeah. 17:45 wizzyrea or can log in, but other stuff isn't working 17:45 larryb can't log in. 17:45 wizzyrea ok, and just to verify 17:46 wizzyrea the sip user is defined both in the sipconfig *and* has a patron/staff account on the web interface, with circulate permissions 17:46 wizzyrea ? 17:46 larryb Yep. 17:46 wizzyrea ok cool, I always have to ask 17:47 larryb yeah, that's always the first thing I check too. 17:47 wizzyrea (another obvious one) and the passwords are the same? 17:47 larryb yep. 17:47 wizzyrea ok so it's not that, that's good :) 17:47 wizzyrea do you know does cybrarian have a place to define the send/expect? 17:47 wizzyrea like, envisionware has a file 17:47 wizzyrea sipscript.cfg 17:48 larryb I do not. That's why I want to get a copy of it. 17:48 wizzyrea and you put the send/expects in there 17:48 larryb Yeah, I'm hoping that's all that's needed. 17:48 wizzyrea I can send you the contents of our file for envisionware, if that would help 17:49 larryb That may. Thanks. 18:01 sekjal wizzyrea: are you still having problems with SIP and diacritics in titles? 18:04 wizzyrea good question, I don't know 18:04 wizzyrea i will ask right now 18:05 wizzyrea hi hankbank :) 18:05 hankbank hi wizzyrea 18:05 wizzyrea I wonder if you have any thoughts on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Gamifying_the_ILS 18:05 wizzyrea :) 18:05 hankbank many 18:05 wizzyrea i'd love it if you added them to the wiki :) 18:06 hankbank ok 18:06 hankbank I will add my contribution to the collective wisdom :) 18:06 wizzyrea excellent, thanks :D 18:07 hankbank tho' you do know that I am a cantankerous sort of creature? Do you not? :) 18:07 wizzyrea I do, it's why I like you. 18:08 hankbank :) well alright then! 18:16 rhcl wizzyrea: where does envisionware keep the send/expect script? 18:16 wizzyrea arg, lol, let me look up the path 18:16 wizzyrea I would have this sent already except google docs is broken. 18:16 wizzyrea hrmph. 18:17 rhcl ah, so apparently it's on the Koha server somewhere? --not client side? 18:17 wizzyrea right 18:17 wizzyrea it's in the envisionware folder 18:17 rhcl ah. 18:17 rhcl ah. 18:17 wizzyrea i trust that you could find it, the name is sipscript.cfg 18:17 rhcl ok, I'll find it. no need to look it up for me. 18:17 wizzyrea i know you're clever that way :) 18:18 rhcl oh yea. I'm pretty dang "clever" :) 18:21 larryb wizzyrea: I spoke with Cybraryn. Their send/expect settings are coded into the software; it's not in a config file. 18:21 wizzyrea that SUUUCKS 18:21 wizzyrea tell them to make it not suck. 18:21 wizzyrea :) 18:21 larryb Yeah. So I'm going to send them the Koha info and they say they can get it coded in pretty quick. 18:21 wizzyrea cool, that's nice of them 18:21 rhcl I wonder about Userful. I don't see a script by the above name. 18:22 wizzyrea envisionware still doesn't properly support koha 18:22 rhcl sekjal: do you know offhand what Userful uses? 18:22 larryb Well, it's to their advantage to make their software work with as many systems as possible. 18:22 wizzyrea yea, you would think that 18:22 larryb So they seem anxious to get this fixed. 18:22 wizzyrea that's cool, wish I could say I had the same experience with envisionware. 18:23 wizzyrea they're like "just use evergreen" and "define your own d*** send/expect" 18:23 rhcl My impression of envisionware always was that they had good equipment that seemed to work well but which was expensive 18:23 wizzyrea they won't add it as an ILS 18:23 wizzyrea well the stuff we're using isn't equipment per se 18:23 wizzyrea just the software 18:23 wizzyrea no self checks or anything 18:23 wizzyrea envisionware is attainable for our libraries 18:23 wizzyrea apparently 18:24 rhcl yea, but I've seen their print controls--that and other things seemed to be integrated well. But that was an impression I got from seeing their systems several times back in the mid- late 2000s 18:25 wizzyrea yea we are not using the print controls 18:26 wizzyrea sekjal the tech in our self check library says that it's still a problem 18:26 wizzyrea the diacritcs 18:26 rhcl [off] I repeat our (good) intentions to take a look at Jesse's powerline and see if we can add anything to it after we get our children's learning station out the door 18:26 larryb wizzyrea: sekjal is away right now. You might want to do a 'later' at him. 18:27 wizzyrea ah I will 18:27 rhcl Does Envisionware still have that auto checker inner sorter thinger? 18:27 oleonard You and your technical mumbo jumbo. 18:27 wizzyrea I think so, heh 18:28 rhcl @later tell sekjal "Do you know if Userful has any kind of config script (send/receive/expect) on our Koha server? 18:28 huginn rhcl: Error: No closing quotation 18:28 rhcl wahhh 18:28 rhcl @later tell sekjal "Do you know if Userful has any kind of config script (send/receive/expect) on our Koha server?" 18:28 huginn rhcl: The operation succeeded. 18:29 rhcl I always thought the "auto checker inner sorter thinger" (do those things have a succinct name?) was really really cool 18:29 wizzyrea @later tell sekjal diacritics + 3m selfcheck = still broken 18:29 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 18:30 wizzyrea no quotes necessary :P 18:30 rhcl Yea, but it helps me... ;) 18:31 wizzyrea lol, you are strange but endearing. 18:32 rhcl well 18:32 rhcl well, thank u 18:35 wizzyrea when was hurricane katrina? 18:35 wizzyrea what year? 18:35 wizzyrea 2006? 18:35 wizzyrea or 2005 18:36 oleonard You know they make an internet for that. 18:36 wizzyrea hrmph. 18:36 wizzyrea 2005, smarty 18:36 oleonard 2005 18:36 oleonard jinx 18:37 wizzyrea i remember watching katrina come in on my birthday in 2005 too. 18:37 wizzyrea stupid irene. stay away from my friends! 18:37 oleonard Oh is it your birthday wizzyrea? 18:37 wizzyrea is it? 18:37 wizzyrea I hear they make an internet for that. 18:37 wizzyrea SNAP 18:37 oleonard :P 18:38 wizzyrea <3 18:38 oleonard I guess Facebook is failing to keep up my social obligations today! 18:38 oleonard Happy birthday! 18:38 wizzyrea thanks :) 18:39 wizzyrea http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/boingboing/iBag/~3/T8HgGwrfybA/hurricane-irene-as-seen-from-space-aug-26-2011.html 18:39 wizzyrea :( 18:39 rhcl OH YES! Happy Birthday wizzyrea 18:39 rhcl !! 18:41 wizzyrea thanks ^.^ 18:50 wizzyrea I love this sort of thing 18:50 wizzyrea http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/6079677293/ 18:51 rangi morning 18:51 wizzyrea mornin :) 18:51 rangi and happy american birthday wizzyrea 18:51 rangi you are already old here im afraid 18:52 wizzyrea thank you... well I do turn 100000 to day 18:52 wizzyrea everyone's old in the future :) 19:09 rangi oh, the 150th committer to koha was on your birthday wizzyrea 19:09 wizzyrea that is an AWESOME present :) 19:11 rangi watch me hijack a mail thread to announce it 19:11 * wizzyrea watches 19:12 * oleonard gets the popcorn 19:12 nengard how do i leave a comment on the koha site? I'm logged in and I see the link that says 'add your comment' but no comment box to type in 19:12 wizzyrea which page 19:12 wahanui which page are you thinking? 19:12 wizzyrea forget which page 19:12 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which page 19:12 nengard http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-2issue-7-july-2011/comment-page-1/#respond 19:13 wizzyrea that has expired 19:13 wizzyrea that's why 19:13 wizzyrea no comments on posts over 30 days old 19:13 wizzyrea today is the 26th, it was posted on the 26 of july 19:13 nengard but that comment was left yesterday 19:13 oleonard You just missed it! 19:14 nengard oh 19:14 nengard k 19:14 nengard wont reply 19:14 oleonard If you knew the admin she might be able to help you. 19:14 wizzyrea if ONLY we knew the ADMIN. 19:14 oleonard You'll have to bring a birthday present though. 19:14 * wizzyrea looks around 19:15 wizzyrea if you refresh, you may see the comment box again? 19:17 wizzyrea oh wait 19:17 wizzyrea cache 19:17 wizzyrea sec 19:18 wizzyrea ok how about now 19:20 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6791] editing list with apostrophe loses text <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6791> 19:21 * wizzyrea applauds rangi 19:24 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: 6747 Checks in opac-export <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=223156ea74233122c35d16100724eddbcd69d66a> 19:31 rhcl whoooa. NELKS is a high-roller! 19:31 rhcl NEKLS+ 19:31 oleonard ? 19:32 cait hi #koha 19:32 sekjal sorry for disappearing; meeting 19:33 oleonard Hi cait 19:33 cait hi owen :) 19:33 cait sekjal: whohoo :) 19:33 rhcl hi cait 19:33 sekjal rhcl: no, don't know of any Userful script that would be handy. sorry 19:33 cait hi rhcl :) 19:33 sekjal wizzyrea: what cait's whohoo'ing about, you should be, too 19:33 wizzyrea diacritics?! 19:34 sekjal cait's colleague fixed the SIP diacritics issue *elegantly* 19:34 rhcl sekjal: well, I though maybe they had put one on there. 19:34 wizzyrea OMG 19:34 wizzyrea OMG OMG 19:34 * wizzyrea bounces and squees 19:34 cait he would want me to say it was not his fix 19:34 sekjal it's passed QA, ready for Chris to push 19:34 wizzyrea OMG 19:34 wizzyrea BSZ++ 19:34 wizzyrea wait 19:34 cait but he found it, so I still think he did great :) 19:34 wizzyrea is that right? 19:34 oleonard Don't say they never got you anything 19:34 wizzyrea dude 19:34 sekjal cait: right, his work is based of Dan Scott's, but he found it, wrote it and submitted it 19:34 wizzyrea that is also a fabulous present 19:34 cait bsz is right liz :) 19:34 wizzyrea yaya 19:34 cait or uli++ 19:35 wizzyrea uli++ 19:35 wizzyrea uli++ 19:35 cait hehe 19:35 cait he missed numbe 150 though, hehe 19:35 cait what is the other present? 19:35 cait I was busy getting sunburnt today 19:35 wizzyrea 150 contributors to koha :) 19:35 cait ah 19:35 cait saw chris' tweet earlier 19:36 wizzyrea I got a very pretty locket too 19:36 wizzyrea but (seriously) the best present is being friends with you people 19:36 pelletiermaxime hey, was the bug 6510 ever applied to 3.2.x ? I can only find it in the 3.4.2 changelog 19:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6510 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , "Sort by" in intranet search alters search and number of hits 19:36 rangi we really need to get back to reconciling the SIP stuff 19:37 cait yes, it would be good 19:37 rangi ill look pelletiermaxime 19:37 wizzyrea explain 19:37 cait but for now we can checkout things with umlauts :) 19:37 cait and morning rangi 19:37 rangi well its silly for us (eg and us) to both work on it 19:37 wizzyrea oh oh oh 19:37 wizzyrea yes 19:37 wizzyrea does EG have the problem with umlauts? 19:37 rangi no, they solved it 19:37 wizzyrea aha 19:37 rangi thats where this fix comes from 19:37 wizzyrea gotcha 19:38 wizzyrea i didn't have the backstory there 19:38 rangi pelletiermaxime: no, pushed after 3.2.x was end of lifed 19:39 pelletiermaxime rangi: ok thx for looking 19:39 rangi jun 19 was last 3.2 release 19:40 pelletiermaxime ah ok 19:40 rangi that was a week too late ;) 19:40 oleonard cait: I hope I didn't duplicate any of your work on Bug 6458 19:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing 19:40 rangi it should be cherry-pickable though 19:40 cait not sure - have not checked all the mails yet 19:40 pelletiermaxime rangi: in all case, shouldn't this bug be closed now ? 19:40 * cait whispers: I am on vacation 19:41 rangi need someone to test it, and mark it resolved, then yep 19:41 cait oleonard: I had done suggestion and results on the train but lost internet connection, sent them earlier today. nothing more in the works 19:41 pelletiermaxime rangi: fwiw I just tested it and it fixes the problem =) 19:42 rangi mark it resolved then please :) 19:42 rangi resolved - fixed 19:42 rangi holy crap 19:42 rangi 300k ppl being evacuated 19:43 wizzyrea jesus. 19:43 rangi http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5517794/Mayor-Bloomberg-orders-NYC-evacuations 19:43 * wizzyrea does not like this at all 19:43 rangi laurels brother lives in brooklyn 19:43 wizzyrea not. at. all. 19:43 rangi is that flood prone? 19:44 * rangi doesnt know nyc well 19:44 * wizzyrea either 19:45 oleonard cait: I signed off on all of yours and submitted a couple of my own 19:45 oleonard memberentrygen.tt was a mess. 19:45 cait oleonard: no surprise! 19:46 cait oleonard: and thank you! 19:47 * oleonard likes to keep busy 19:47 wizzyrea !!! 19:47 wizzyrea http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5504104/7-0-earthquake-strikes-Peru 19:47 cait :( 19:48 wizzyrea ooo, I want to check and see what you've done to memberentry :) 19:48 wizzyrea remote tho 19:48 rhcl jcamins is/is not (circle one) in that area ATT 19:48 rangi 145km deep 19:48 oleonard wizzyrea: Nothing visible, just markup changes to help translations 19:48 rangi that would feel like not a lot on the surface 19:48 wizzyrea and in the jungle 19:48 wizzyrea mhm 19:49 sekjal tornadoes, earthquakes and hurricanes, all in short succession... maybe Western Mass isn't the safest place to live anymore... 19:50 wizzyrea heh 19:50 sekjal but it's not sounding like anywhere else is much safer 19:50 wizzyrea are you gonna, as they say, get out of dodge? 19:50 wizzyrea idk about jcamins 19:50 wizzyrea ping jcamins_away 20:01 sekjal brb 20:02 rhcl @seen bg 20:02 huginn rhcl: bg was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 47 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <bg> ;) 20:02 rhcl should be about time for bg to wake up? 20:02 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6019] Using memoize_memcached to cache slow subroutines <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6019> 20:05 cait sekjal++ #thx for testing :) 20:35 cait hehe 21:02 wizzyrea nothing about that immediately calls out to me as wrong. 21:02 rangi ill rework it for template::toolkit (3.2 is end of life so we wont be doing any more releases for that but its good cos it shows how to fix it for 3.4/3.6 too) 21:02 pelletiermaxime rangi: yeah i know 21:02 pelletiermaxime rangi: thanks =) 21:02 wizzyrea except that it's HTP 21:03 pelletiermaxime ? 21:03 wizzyrea html::template::pro, the old template system 21:03 wizzyrea the one in use in 3.2 21:03 pelletiermaxime yeah, I know 21:03 rangi hmm is git.kc being annoying again? 21:04 wizzyrea it's certainly being poky 21:04 rangi dang nabbit 21:09 jcamins_away For the record, toilets that can't be flushed unless you have running water are a dumb idea. 21:09 wizzyrea ^^ truth 21:09 wizzyrea you know bill gates has an initiative to design a better toilet 21:10 jcamins_away I did not. 21:11 jcamins_away Does my message about us not being in an evacuation zone show in Google+ for anyone? 21:12 rhcl jcamins_away: aren't you in an area that's likely to be getting plenty of running water soon? 21:12 rangi done 21:12 wizzyrea yepper 21:12 jcamins_away rhcl: yeah, but possibly not through the pipes! 21:12 wizzyrea bummer about the anniversary 21:13 jcamins_away Yeah. At least it'll be memorable. 21:13 wizzyrea the 27th? 21:13 wizzyrea weren't you working on the day of your wedding :P 21:13 jcamins_away "So what did you do for your first anniversary?" "Well, we rearranged our apartment to get everything away from the windows." 21:13 wizzyrea last year 21:13 wizzyrea lol 21:13 wizzyrea oy 21:16 jcamins_away Errr... only briefly. 21:16 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6794] Broken toggle in member-flags in ie <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6794> 21:16 jcamins_away That's also the day that C & P was officially incorporated. 21:35 cait bye all :) 21:37 * larryb is away: 21:48 rangi hmm what to do today