| Time |
S |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:33 |
|
paul_away |
kados, are you around ? |
| 13:54 |
|
kados |
paul: paul yes |
| 13:54 |
|
paul |
i'm trying to insert my iso2709 into zebra |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
great! |
| 13:55 |
|
paul |
but can't find how to configure zebra.cfg |
| 13:55 |
|
paul |
not great ;-) |
| 13:55 |
|
paul |
could you explain how you do this ? |
| 13:55 |
|
kados |
(phone call):-/ |
| 13:55 |
|
paul |
I may write a small SearchZebra.pm package for some tests if I succeed |
| 13:56 |
|
paul |
ok, i'll wait. |
| 13:56 |
|
paul |
(don't be too long, it's 9PM in France ;-) ) |
| 13:57 |
|
kados |
back |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
hmmm ... so here's how I did it |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
after install you should have a test directory |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
go to test/usmarc |
| 13:58 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
run ./test.pl |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
test.pl look in 'records' directory |
| 13:58 |
|
paul |
test.sh |
| 13:58 |
|
paul |
you mean |
| 13:58 |
|
kados |
right |
| 13:59 |
|
paul |
that's here : |
| 13:59 |
|
paul |
recordType: grs.marc.usmarc |
| 13:59 |
|
paul |
i think. |
| 14:01 |
|
kados |
if you put an iso2709 file in records directory |
| 14:01 |
|
paul |
indexing EMN... |
| 14:01 |
|
kados |
it will index it (I hope) |
| 14:01 |
|
paul |
it's on the way ;-) |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
good ... then it will automatically start a Z39.50 server |
| 14:02 |
|
paul |
mmm... |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
(should take about 3 minutes) |
| 14:02 |
|
paul |
21:01:42-13/06 zebraidx(12685) [log] zebra_end_trans |
| 14:02 |
|
paul |
Aborted |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
ahh ... probably because it's unimarc |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
:-( |
| 14:02 |
|
kados |
k |
| 14:06 |
|
paul |
http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-so[…]=feed&subj=zdblog |
| 14:06 |
|
paul |
just for smiling |
| 14:08 |
|
paul |
http://indexdata.dk/pipermail/[…]April/000203.html is the answer to our question |
| 14:10 |
|
kados |
nice! |
| 14:10 |
|
paul |
except that i get a |
| 14:10 |
|
paul |
Search was a bloomin' failure. |
| 14:10 |
|
paul |
in yaz-client :-( |
| 14:10 |
|
paul |
still investigating |
| 14:10 |
|
paul |
[121] Unsupported Attribute Set -- v2 addinfo 'Bib-1' |
| 14:12 |
|
kados |
hmmm ... |
| 14:12 |
|
kados |
maybe you need a unimarc.abs? |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
kados ? |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
could you pls write a sample of a search on title |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
i try |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
find @attr 1=4 jauge |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
should have 1 answer (& only 1) |
| 14:41 |
|
paul |
but get none |
| 14:42 |
|
paul |
trying find title=jauge returns nothing either |
| 15:09 |
|
kados |
paul: give me the server IP |
| 15:09 |
|
paul |
opening firewall... |
| 15:09 |
|
kados |
paul: I'll add it to the liblime z39.50 client |
| 15:10 |
|
paul |
note it will be a sometimes-up server... |
| 15:10 |
|
paul |
bureau.paulpoulain.com port 2100 as usual |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
paul: are you sure it's not port 9999? |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
should be up |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
zebrasrv -v 10 @:2100 |
| 15:11 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
so should be on 2100 isn't it ? |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
try a query with title containg "jauge" |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
only 1 answer expected |
| 15:11 |
|
paul |
or author=bellac |
| 15:12 |
|
paul |
will return 4 results |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
paul: http://liblime.com/zap/advanced.html |
| 15:12 |
|
kados |
seems unavailable |
| 15:13 |
|
paul |
mmm... strange.... firewall open |
| 15:13 |
|
paul |
(on port 2100 only) |
| 15:14 |
|
kados |
I tried 2100 ... |
| 15:15 |
|
paul |
iirc you added "VOYAGER" somewhere |
| 15:15 |
|
paul |
i didn't do such thing |
| 15:15 |
|
kados |
I used 'default' which is Zebra's default database |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
(unless you have different database listed in zebra.cfg |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
anyway, no log in my zebrasrv console |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
right |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
i've only : |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
profilePath: . |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
attset: bib1.att |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
attset: explain.att |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
recordType: grs.marc.unimarc |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
lockDir: lock |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100 |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
right? |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
setTmpDir: tmp |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
keyTmpDir: tmp |
| 15:16 |
|
paul |
memMax: 4 |
| 15:16 |
|
kados |
yea ... all of that is right |
| 15:17 |
|
paul |
yes, it's bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100 |
| 15:17 |
|
kados |
let's try by IP address |
| 15:18 |
|
paul |
why do I get poul-poulain in |
| 15:18 |
|
paul |
poul-poulain: unavailable |
| 15:18 |
|
kados |
still not working |
| 15:18 |
|
paul |
it's not poul but paul. |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
ahh ... typeo |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
yes it should |
| 15:19 |
|
paul |
should change something ? |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
now we get 'no hits' ;-) |
| 15:19 |
|
kados |
you have a log? |
| 15:20 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 15:20 |
|
paul |
a long (launched with v 10 ;-) ) |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
strange ... unavailable again |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
ok .. back up ;-) |
| 15:20 |
|
paul |
i see new logs |
| 15:20 |
|
kados |
still 'no hits' |
| 15:21 |
|
paul |
i promise i havent done anything. |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
what is a keyword? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
(maybe network timeout) |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
bellac? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
no hits for it |
| 15:21 |
|
paul |
a keyword you mean a subject ? |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 15:21 |
|
paul |
theorie should be a subject |
| 15:21 |
|
kados |
anything really |
| 15:22 |
|
paul |
http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/[…].pl?type=intranet |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
not finding anything it seems |
| 15:22 |
|
paul |
with login test / test as usual. will give you usual Koha interface. |
| 15:22 |
|
kados |
ok ... I'll log into my machine ;-) |
| 15:23 |
|
paul |
& then go to bed ;-) |
| 15:23 |
|
kados |
good idea |
| 15:23 |
|
kados |
;-) |
| 15:24 |
|
kados |
hi David |
| 15:24 |
|
kados |
need some help? |
| 15:24 |
|
David |
yes please! |
| 15:25 |
|
David |
I'm at the right place I take it? |
| 15:25 |
|
paul |
for sure ! |
| 15:25 |
|
kados |
yep ;-) |
| 15:25 |
|
David |
Having problems with Koha 2.2 on Windows XP |
| 15:25 |
|
paul |
& you are speaking with previous & actual release manager ! |
| 15:25 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 15:25 |
|
David |
Getting a Premature end of script headers: isbnsearch.pl error when entering data |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
any mesages above that? |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
(that's just about as generic as error messages get ;-)) |
| 15:26 |
|
paul |
you mean you have 2.2.2b ? |
| 15:26 |
|
David |
It says 'The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your |
| 15:26 |
|
David |
request. |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
there should be some complaints on the lines above that line |
| 15:26 |
|
kados |
how about above that? |
| 15:27 |
|
kados |
script names, line numbers ... all helpful |
| 15:27 |
|
David |
Apache logs say 'Can"t use an undefined value as a HASH reference at c:/usr/koha222/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm line 255' |
| 15:28 |
|
paul |
just enter an empty word |
| 15:28 |
|
paul |
in Koha >> parameters >> empty word |
| 15:28 |
|
kados |
aha! that's the problem |
| 15:28 |
|
paul |
should REALLY be in bold & everywhere... |
| 15:28 |
|
paul |
as this question is asked almost once a week. |
| 15:28 |
|
paul |
(not your fault but our...) |
| 15:29 |
|
David |
Sorry - I'm not actually on the PC Koha is installed on - it's at work and I'm at home at the moment! |
| 15:29 |
|
paul |
no prob, but 99% sure it's the origin of your problem ;-) |
| 15:30 |
|
David |
Just explain - what do you mean by just enter an empty word? |
| 15:30 |
|
paul |
the, a, an, in... |
| 15:30 |
|
paul |
are empty words in english |
| 15:30 |
|
paul |
le, la, une, ... are empty words in french |
| 15:31 |
|
owen |
stop words |
| 15:31 |
|
owen |
/cgi-bin/koha/admin/stopwords.pl |
| 15:31 |
|
paul |
oups, sorry, in french, it's "empty" words. |
| 15:32 |
|
David |
how does that relate to the error? |
| 15:32 |
|
paul |
us ppl should light on TV... |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
David: they're called 'stop words' in English |
| 15:32 |
|
paul |
if they care about M. Jackson suing... |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
ahh ... owen caught it already |
| 15:32 |
|
kados |
;-) |
| 15:33 |
|
paul |
david : if you don't have a stopword, then Koha bugs. |
| 15:33 |
|
David |
ok - i'll give it a go when i get to work! |
| 15:33 |
|
paul |
because the stopword hash structure contains nothing (different from "" in Perl) |
| 15:36 |
|
David |
Thanks for the help. Maybe it will all become clear when I try it on the PC in 1/2 hr or so. I'll report back then. Thanks! |
| 15:37 |
|
paul |
you're welcome.I'll be in bed anyway ;-) |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
paul: how many records are in the database? |
| 15:38 |
|
paul |
13000 |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
thanks ... writing an email to the list now |
| 15:38 |
|
kados |
about Zebra |
| 15:39 |
|
paul |
writing a mail to zebra list & going to bed |
| 15:39 |
|
kados |
cool ... have a good sleep |
| 15:57 |
|
kados |
paul_bed: Sebastial responded already ;-) |
| 15:57 |
|
kados |
paul_bed: Sebastian even ;-) |
| 16:07 |
|
kados |
chris around? |
| 16:47 |
|
sanspach |
I searched logs and bugs but didn't see anything: has there been talk of isbn-13/ean ? |
| 16:51 |
|
kados |
hey sanspach |
| 16:51 |
|
kados |
what about isbn-13/ean? |
| 16:51 |
|
kados |
(is that different that isbn?) |
| 16:52 |
|
sanspach |
the isbn is moving to 13 digits and will now conform to standard for EAN |
| 16:52 |
|
kados |
ahh ... no we haven't addressed any potential issues with that on koha-devel |
| 16:52 |
|
kados |
might be good to bring it up |
| 16:52 |
|
kados |
can you do that? |
| 16:53 |
|
sanspach |
I was poking around for checkdigit (I want to do a different checkdigit algorithm) |
| 16:53 |
|
sanspach |
and noticed ISBN for 10-digits |
| 16:53 |
|
sanspach |
already have code for 13 digits/EAN as well as conversion |
| 16:53 |
|
sanspach |
I'll try to write something |
| 16:54 |
|
sanspach |
probably should make two different suggestions, though |
| 16:55 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 16:55 |
|
kados |
thanks! |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
When the question of isbn-13 was brough up on the Koha list on 3/28/2005, the response from Stephen was "the ISBN field can actually store 14 characters." |
| 16:57 |
|
owen |
Currently Koha doesn't have any built-in ISBN checks |
| 16:57 |
|
sanspach |
there are indications that anyone programming for 13 should go ahead for 14 |
| 16:58 |
|
sanspach |
but then there's the question of what to do with that extra character in the meantime |
| 16:58 |
|
sanspach |
the isbn check subroutine isn't used? (I'm very new to Koha) |
| 17:00 |
|
owen |
No |
| 17:02 |
|
sanspach |
ah, thus bug 906 requesting that there be a check (duh!) |
| 17:21 |
|
kados |
chris around? |
| 17:21 |
|
rach |
hello |
| 17:21 |
|
kados |
hey rach |
| 17:21 |
|
kados |
sorry about the bugsquashing session time ;-) |
| 17:21 |
|
rach |
:-) |
| 17:22 |
|
kados |
it's the only time I could get paul, slef, hdl, and genji to commit to |
| 17:22 |
|
kados |
I hope the Search Meeting suggested time is better |
| 17:23 |
|
rach |
but I've put in a couple of bug reports over the last week |
| 17:23 |
|
kados |
yep ... saw those |
| 17:26 |
|
rach |
There is a bit of a disconnect I think around acquisitions because the major developers/their libraries don't actually use that module |
| 17:26 |
|
kados |
yea ... NPL doesn't use it at all |
| 17:26 |
|
rach |
but I figure I should notify the things I think are bugs so that someone can scream if they don't think they are :-) |
| 17:26 |
|
kados |
so I'm not really familiar with the issues |
| 17:27 |
|
kados |
yep ... I suspect paul will be glad to optionize areas where libraries disagree |
| 17:28 |
|
kados |
the Zebra Searching email is pretty important rach |
| 17:28 |
|
rach |
I don't think any of pauls clients use acquisitions either - but if they do, then I'm keen to hear wether the problems that I think oculd arrise is actually do in real life |
| 17:28 |
|
kados |
(just in cause you thought maybe it was just a techie thing) |
| 17:28 |
|
kados |
if we go with Zebra we'll have to seriously look at what to do with non-MARC libraries |
| 17:30 |
|
rach |
yep |
| 17:32 |
|
rach |
idiot question perhaps but why? I thought (so I must be wrong on this) that non-marc libraries basically are just choosing not to see the Marc? But that the fields etc can still be linked up? or is that not right? |
| 17:32 |
|
kados |
yea they can be |
| 17:32 |
|
rach |
I thought they were by default? |
| 17:33 |
|
kados |
but that may not be the best way to approach zebra |
| 17:33 |
|
kados |
not sure as i don't have a non-marc koha installed anywhere |
| 17:33 |
|
rach |
because even the people who don't want to see marc, still want to be able to export their data as marc in the future etc - I might be off base on that, or we may not have gone where I had in mind |
| 17:34 |
|
rach |
but my thought/intention with MARC being on or off was that it should be largely just a matter of templates |
| 17:34 |
|
kados |
yep ... though I'm not sure if that's the case |
| 17:34 |
|
kados |
chris should know |
| 17:35 |
|
rach |
you can turn marc off and on in a library fairly happily :-) |
| 17:35 |
|
rach |
but yep the reality may not live up to my ideal :-) |
| 17:35 |
|
kados |
hehe ... true |
| 17:42 |
|
rach |
chris isn't in today unfortunatly |
| 17:51 |
|
rach |
joshua are yo a list admin for the koha-devl list? |
| 17:57 |
|
kados |
yea I can be |
| 17:57 |
|
kados |
need something done? |
| 02:35 |
|
paul |
someone testing ZAP! with paul-poulain at the moment ? |
| 02:54 |
|
paul |
salut francoisl |
| 02:54 |
|
paul |
je suis en train de rédiger un mail pour la liste infos. |
| 02:55 |
|
paul |
marqué [important]... |
| 04:28 |
|
David |
Paul: Thanks very much for the help this morning (my time). The problem was with the 'Stop words' being empty. Never would have found that myself! |
| 04:28 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 04:28 |
|
paul |
that's why we really should write it somewhere... |
| 04:28 |
|
paul |
no, everywhere... |
| 04:29 |
|
David |
Yes - it certainly would help! |
| 04:29 |
|
paul |
have a good night if i don't mind ;-) |
| 04:29 |
|
paul |
(almost lunch time for me) |
| 04:29 |
|
David |
9.30pm here (New Zealand) - where are you? |
| 04:30 |
|
paul |
in France |
| 04:32 |
|
David |
I've never been on this IRC channel before and only just tried using Koha, so it's the first time I've chatted with Paul |
| 04:33 |
|
David |
My partner is getting suspious - me chatting online and all (he he...) |
| 04:33 |
|
David |
I'd better go! |
| 04:33 |
|
paul |
i have to go too |
| 04:33 |
|
David |
Thanks again |
| 06:02 |
|
kados |
paul: looks like you got your records indexed. congrats! |
| 06:04 |
|
kados |
paul: also, note that I'm getting some hits from the Zap client |
| 06:04 |
|
kados |
but the records aren't being displayed |
| 06:11 |
|
paul |
kados : 'morning. |
| 06:11 |
|
kados |
hi paul |
| 06:13 |
|
paul |
how do you do to retrieve records. |
| 06:13 |
|
paul |
because I see then in yaz-client |
| 06:13 |
|
paul |
s/then/them/ |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
Z> format xml |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
Z> show 1 |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
Sent presentRequest (1+1). |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
Records: 1 |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
[Default]Record type: XML |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
<unimarc><001>8058</001><010>< ><a>2222040264</a></ ></010><090>< ><9>7591</9><a>7591</a></ ></090><101>< ><a>fre</a></ ></101><200><1 ><a>Des ph\XE9nom\XE8nes critiques aux champs de jauge</a><e>une introduction aux m\XE9thodes at aux applications de la th\XE9orie quantique des champs</e><f>LE BELLAC, M</f></1 ></200><210>< ><5>CNRS Editions</5><a>Paris</a><c>CNRS Editions</c><d>1988</d></ ></210><215>< ><a>369 p</a><d>25 cm</d></ ></215><225>< |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
Savoirs actuels</a></ ></225><410>< ><t>Savoirs actuels</t></ ></410><606>< ><9>3419</9><a>NUCLEAIRE</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4229</9><a>PHYSIQUE NUCLEAIRE</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>5457</9><a>PHASE DE TRANSITION</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4920</9><a>THEORIE DES CHAMPS</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4689</9><a>RENORMALISATION</a></ ></606><686>< ><a>LIVR</a></ ></686><700>< ><9>8520</9><a>LE BELLAC, Michel</a></ ></700><990>< ><a>N 8 |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
BEL</a><e>Nucl\XE9aire (Orange)</e></ ></990><995>< ><9>10795</9><b>CDI</b><c>CDI</c><e>SL</e><f>INVENTAIRE 6 FAIT LE 29.07.03</f><j>012676</j><k>N 8 BEL</k><o>0</o><u><b>OUVRAGE RECHERCHE</b></u></ ></995> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
<idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/"> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
<size>841</size> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
<localnumber>7598</localnumber> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
<filename>catalogue/EMN.iso2709</filename> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
</idzebra> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
</unimarc> |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
which is correct. |
| 06:14 |
|
paul |
do you know how to retrieve iso2709 files ? |
| 06:15 |
|
kados |
sure ... |
| 06:15 |
|
kados |
there are two stages to a z39.50 request |
| 06:15 |
|
kados |
search |
| 06:15 |
|
kados |
present |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
the "show 1" you mean ? |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
(in yaz-client) |
| 06:16 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
I tried : format usmarc |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
show 1 |
| 06:16 |
|
kados |
except that you can 'show 1-50' |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
and got : |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
Z> format usmarc |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
Z> show 1 |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
Sent presentRequest (1+1). |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
Records: 1 |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
[Default]Diagnostic message(s) from database: |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
[238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo '' |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
nextResultSetPosition = 2 |
| 06:16 |
|
paul |
Elapsed: 0.000816 |
| 06:17 |
|
kados |
ahh ... yes ... |
| 06:17 |
|
paul |
any idea welcomed |
| 06:17 |
|
kados |
http://liblime.com/zap/try.html |
| 06:17 |
|
kados |
put your server:port/database (default is fine) |
| 06:18 |
|
paul |
works fine, except in usmarc format :-( |
| 06:18 |
|
kados |
right |
| 06:18 |
|
kados |
well remember that zebra |
| 06:19 |
|
kados |
relies on the data as a file |
| 06:19 |
|
kados |
and retrieves it that way |
| 06:19 |
|
paul |
??? |
| 06:19 |
|
kados |
zebra creates its own index |
| 06:19 |
|
kados |
but still retrieves the records from the file |
| 06:20 |
|
kados |
(you can have zebra store internally the data but not by default) |
| 06:21 |
|
paul |
and then ? |
| 06:21 |
|
kados |
http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/[…]ating-records.tkl |
| 06:21 |
|
paul |
(is there something related to the show format ? |
| 06:21 |
|
kados |
maybe ... |
| 06:24 |
|
kados |
http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/[…]tocol-support.tkl |
| 06:25 |
|
kados |
http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/formats.tkl |
| 06:25 |
|
kados |
this last one maybe |
| 06:26 |
|
kados |
we may need to setup a .map schema ... but not sure |
| 07:23 |
|
paul |
kados : got it ! |
| 07:24 |
|
paul |
strange... |
| 07:24 |
|
paul |
works fine in explicit usmarc format in try.html |
| 07:25 |
|
paul |
but still wrong in advanced.html |
| 07:27 |
|
paul |
in try.html, the following display are OK : SUTRS, USMARC, XML |
| 07:27 |
|
paul |
the other display are empty : GRS-1, danmarc, HTML |
| 07:28 |
|
paul |
kados, do you want that I commit some of my files into CVS ? |
| 07:38 |
|
kados |
sure |
| 07:38 |
|
paul |
any idea on try.html working & not advanced.html ? |
| 07:38 |
|
kados |
even better would be a README for how to setup Zebra with a Koha catalog eh? |
| 07:38 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 07:38 |
|
kados |
it's very strange |
| 07:39 |
|
paul |
tomorrow, i'll try to share some SearchMarcZebra.pm package. |
| 07:39 |
|
kados |
paul: one important thing to consider is switching to utf-8 |
| 07:39 |
|
kados |
paul: that'd be great! |
| 07:39 |
|
paul |
for sure ! |
| 07:39 |
|
paul |
I begin to understand how zebra config files works. should not be too hard. |
| 07:40 |
|
paul |
1- query zebra |
| 07:40 |
|
paul |
2- retrieve records |
| 07:40 |
|
paul |
3- find biblionumber |
| 07:40 |
|
paul |
4- do as usual. |
| 07:40 |
|
kados |
yes ... perfect for a test case |
| 07:40 |
|
kados |
but eventually I think we should do: |
| 07:40 |
|
kados |
1- query zebra |
| 07:40 |
|
kados |
2- retrieve records |
| 07:40 |
|
paul |
will be a P.O.C., as it's silly to retrieve records then retrieve them again in Koha ;-) |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
3- display to user |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
right ;-) |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
the only thing MARC doens't have is status info |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
which can be easily obtained from koha tables |
| 07:41 |
|
paul |
should not be to hard to embeed in the MARC record. |
| 07:41 |
|
paul |
(in UNIMARC recommandation 995, there is a subfield for this) |
| 07:41 |
|
kados |
really! that's good news |
| 07:42 |
|
paul |
(unused yet for koha users) |
| 07:42 |
|
kados |
although I do want to preserve transactions in koha tables |
| 07:42 |
|
paul |
http://www.adbdp.asso.fr/outil[…]ogestion/r995.htm |
| 07:42 |
|
kados |
I think we have two databases: |
| 07:42 |
|
paul |
right. we will have to invetigate to see if it's better to have transactions in Koha or in zebra. |
| 07:42 |
|
kados |
koha database handles information on the movement of items |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
anyway, at 1st glance, my feeling is that we still need raw marc in Koha. |
| 07:43 |
|
kados |
zebra handles textual elements of MARC records |
| 07:43 |
|
kados |
I hope transactions in Koha will be better |
| 07:43 |
|
kados |
(otherwise, what's the point of using koha ;-)) |
| 07:43 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
in reco995, issuing informations are in : |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
$m - Date de prêt ou de dépôt |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
$n - Date de restitution prévue |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
$o - Catégorie de circulation |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
(issuing date / return date / issuing category) |
| 07:44 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 07:44 |
|
paul |
my idea could be to have : |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
* zebra for search & results list |
| 07:45 |
|
paul |
* koha for MARC editor and when MARCdetail.pl called. |
| 07:45 |
|
kados |
why when marcdetail called? |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
because we already know the $bibid, so no need to query zebra |
| 07:46 |
|
paul |
+ we already have issuing status in mySQL |
| 07:46 |
|
kados |
but ... we already have the whole marc record too |
| 07:46 |
|
kados |
so why re-query mysql at all? |
| 07:47 |
|
paul |
yes but no. where is the marc record coming from zebra once you have sent opac-searchresult.pl to the user ? |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
as we are in http, what you have found is in a process that is dead. |
| 07:48 |
|
kados |
not if we use DOM |
| 07:48 |
|
paul |
so, when the user clics on "see detail", you need to find the MARC data again isn't it ? |
| 07:48 |
|
kados |
nope ... |
| 07:48 |
|
kados |
just have a 'tab' |
| 07:48 |
|
kados |
when they click on it, it displays |
| 07:48 |
|
kados |
no reload |
| 07:49 |
|
paul |
and when you get 150 results from the query ? you DOM'ed the 150 biblios ? |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
here's an example: |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
http://catalog.cincinnatilibra[…]5Ewords+or+phrase |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
(not sure if this link works ... if not: |
| 07:50 |
|
paul |
works |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
great |
| 07:50 |
|
kados |
click on catalog record |
| 07:51 |
|
kados |
oops ... now I understand what you mean |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
(in konqueror, the marc is always here ;-) works fine in ff) |
| 07:51 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 07:51 |
|
kados |
and I forgot that your default view is MARC |
| 07:51 |
|
kados |
whereas NPL is not |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
my problem is not here. |
| 07:52 |
|
kados |
so I thought you meant to re-query after details page is already loaded |
| 07:52 |
|
kados |
but you mean on the initial search results page _> details page |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
it's that when you do a search, you 1st get a result list, then a detail |
| 07:52 |
|
kados |
right ... |
| 07:52 |
|
paul |
http://catalog.cincinnatilibra[…]MAIN/59160050/5/0 |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
then >> clic detail (& read the MARC record once again) |
| 07:53 |
|
kados |
what is the search term? |
| 07:53 |
|
paul |
lord ring in title |
| 07:54 |
|
kados |
(the link is session-based and so it didn't work) |
| 07:54 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 07:55 |
|
kados |
well maybe we should re-invent this function |
| 07:55 |
|
kados |
do search |
| 07:55 |
|
kados |
return result list |
| 07:55 |
|
kados |
user clicks on detail |
| 07:55 |
|
kados |
details pop down below record |
| 07:55 |
|
paul |
even in this case, you can sent all the records in 1 html page. |
| 07:55 |
|
kados |
avoiding page reloads |
| 07:56 |
|
kados |
no ... only the first 10 |
| 07:56 |
|
paul |
(in case there are only 20, you will have html rendering very long !) |
| 07:56 |
|
kados |
hmmm |
| 07:56 |
|
paul |
& http traffic too heavy on a low bandwidth |
| 07:57 |
|
kados |
are you sure? |
| 07:57 |
|
kados |
a marc file is quite small |
| 07:57 |
|
paul |
the html MARC editor page (for a single MARC record) can be >50KB |
| 07:57 |
|
paul |
(with all the authorised values lists I agree) |
| 07:58 |
|
paul |
but my opinion is that we will have a better way (& an easier one) to use zebra for what it's done for : indexing & searching. |
| 07:58 |
|
kados |
yep ... |
| 07:58 |
|
kados |
(above this I was just brain-storming ;-)) |
| 07:59 |
|
paul |
right. we all are brain storming ;-) |
| 07:59 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 07:59 |
|
paul |
(beware the headake) |
| 07:59 |
|
paul |
headake ? |
| 07:59 |
|
paul |
(wrong spelling i bet) |
| 07:59 |
|
kados |
headache I think |
| 08:00 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 08:03 |
|
kados |
paul: do you run multiple Koha's on the same machine regularly? |
| 08:04 |
|
paul |
no : always. |
| 08:04 |
|
kados |
right |
| 08:04 |
|
paul |
go to bureau.paulpoulain.com : at least 4 public Koha. + 22+head + 2 private atm |
| 08:04 |
|
kados |
and all of them from CVS repos? |
| 08:04 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 08:04 |
|
paul |
(from rel_2_2) |
| 08:04 |
|
kados |
do you use installer.pl to create a new install? |
| 08:05 |
|
paul |
(except head, of course) |
| 08:05 |
|
kados |
or do you manually install? |
| 08:05 |
|
paul |
no more installer.pl on my computer. |
| 08:05 |
|
paul |
but when doing a public install, I use installer.pl of course |
| 08:05 |
|
kados |
right |
| 08:05 |
|
kados |
I'm thinking it would be nice to modularize Koha a bit more |
| 08:05 |
|
paul |
+ mysqldump the DB from my server & mysql <db.sql on the dest server. |
| 08:06 |
|
paul |
like ? |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
the current intaller is pretty limited |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
well /etc/koha.conf |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
/etc/koha-httpd.conf |
| 08:06 |
|
kados |
always go in the same place |
| 08:07 |
|
kados |
and I can't have say /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client1.conf /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client2.conf, etc |
| 08:07 |
|
paul |
why not. the 1st test to remove in this case is the "stop installer if /etc/koha.conf exists) |
| 08:07 |
|
kados |
right |
| 08:07 |
|
paul |
should not be too hard to do. But a little bit tricky for updater... |
| 08:07 |
|
kados |
but also we should have an installer.conf |
| 08:07 |
|
paul |
we already have |
| 08:07 |
|
paul |
(auto_install file) |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
where you can set all parameters & have an automatic install |
| 08:08 |
|
kados |
right ... but still some limitations |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
only 1 that i see |
| 08:08 |
|
kados |
like I can't choose where to put koha-httpd.conf koha.conf (or what to call them) |
| 08:08 |
|
kados |
I can't choose log file names, etc. |
| 08:08 |
|
paul |
no way to specify sql files to upload. |
| 08:09 |
|
paul |
right, but it's not auto_install limit, it's installer.pl limit ! |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
right |
| 08:09 |
|
kados |
I should just read through installer.pl ... but I suspect there are some PATH muckings in there as well |
| 08:10 |
|
paul |
maybe. I must say i'm not a .sh pro |
| 08:10 |
|
kados |
also ... a question |
| 08:10 |
|
paul |
so i just created auto_install, using what had been written before. |
| 08:10 |
|
kados |
would it be a good idea to run multiple Kohas off the same script files? |
| 08:10 |
|
paul |
??? |
| 08:10 |
|
kados |
(changing templates of course) |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
I know if sounds crazy ;-) |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
s/if/it/ |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
I'm just thinking that it might be nice to have: |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
/build/koha/opac |
| 08:11 |
|
paul |
(no, it's just i don't undestand. not crazy ;-) ) |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
/build/client1/opac-tmpl |
| 08:11 |
|
kados |
/build/client2/opac-tmpl |
| 08:12 |
|
kados |
/build/client1/etc/koha.conf |
| 08:12 |
|
kados |
/build/client2/etc/koha.conf |
| 08:12 |
|
kados |
/var/lib/mysql/client1 |
| 08:12 |
|
kados |
/var/lib/mysql/client2 |
| 08:12 |
|
paul |
that's already possible (manually) to share .pl & .pm but have spectific templates for each library, as well as parameters & sql, of course |
| 08:12 |
|
kados |
but all of the clients use the same /build/koha/opac, intranet, etc. |
| 08:12 |
|
paul |
(as templates path is in /etc/koha.conf iirc) |
| 08:13 |
|
kados |
right ... just wondering if that's something you've played with |
| 08:13 |
|
paul |
no for templates, as i only deal with css in opac |
| 08:13 |
|
paul |
(& a stylesheet if requested) |
| 08:14 |
|
kados |
i would also like to create an installer for the CVS repo |
| 08:14 |
|
kados |
actually ... |
| 08:14 |
|
paul |
you have too many ideas... |
| 08:14 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 08:14 |
|
kados |
it might be nice if we had installer.pl and cvs-installer.pl |
| 08:15 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 08:15 |
|
paul |
(you will have to delay some of them imho) |
| 08:15 |
|
kados |
cvs-installer.pl would grab the latest cvs repo and install from there |
| 08:15 |
|
kados |
(of course) |
| 08:21 |
|
kados |
FrancoisL: hi there Francois-Laurent |
| 08:21 |
|
kados |
FrancoisL: what's new with you? |
| 09:03 |
|
kados |
slef: evening |
| 09:04 |
|
kados |
slef: are any of the times paul listed in his response to the Searching Meeting email good for you? |
| 09:15 |
|
FrancoisL |
Hi kados ! How are you ? |
| 09:16 |
|
paul |
hi again francoisl ;-) |
| 09:16 |
|
FrancoisL |
paul: salut |
| 09:17 |
|
FrancoisL |
kados: I've been with the SAN last week - things are clear now |
| 09:17 |
|
FrancoisL |
I have a list of all modifications they want (not a long list !) |
| 09:17 |
|
FrancoisL |
We are hiring a Koha developper to help them. |
| 09:18 |
|
paul |
did you plan to be here for "Koha 2.4 Searching Group Meeting" ? |
| 09:18 |
|
paul |
VERY important, imho. |
| 09:19 |
|
kados |
yes |
| 09:19 |
|
kados |
hi FrancoisL |
| 09:19 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 09:19 |
|
FrancoisL |
I agree, but 1-I'll be in Grenoble for a congress 2- 11pm is much too late for me :( |
| 09:19 |
|
paul |
the date will change, for sure. |
| 09:19 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 09:19 |
|
kados |
what time can you make it FrancoisL ? |
| 09:20 |
|
FrancoisL |
OK so I'll make an effort. Kados: any time before 10pm local time I can manage... |
| 09:20 |
|
FrancoisL |
I'll talk to the wife :) |
| 09:20 |
|
kados |
ok ;-) |
| 09:20 |
|
paul |
(we are GMT+2 joshua) |
| 09:21 |
|
FrancoisL |
(we are you+6 joshua) |
| 09:21 |
|
kados |
right ;-) |
| 09:22 |
|
FrancoisL |
Moday is a no-no for me as I teach in an architecture school (5 hours without pause...) |
| 09:22 |
|
FrancoisL |
s/Moday/Monday |
| 09:22 |
|
kados |
Thur 16? Fri 17? |
| 09:23 |
|
paul |
thur16 ok, but not before 9PM GMT |
| 09:23 |
|
kados |
Tue 21? |
| 09:23 |
|
FrancoisL |
Nope : I'll be in Grenoble (16-20th) |
| 09:23 |
|
kados |
so it looks like Tue 21 |
| 09:23 |
|
FrancoisL |
..and so well be Paul :) |
| 09:23 |
|
kados |
for Paul and FrancoisL |
| 09:23 |
|
FrancoisL |
OK for Tue 21. What time ? |
| 09:27 |
|
kados |
FrancoisL: http://tinyurl.com/8mbfc |
| 09:42 |
|
slef |
kados: finding email. |
| 09:44 |
|
slef |
kados: all look possible. |
| 09:45 |
|
kados |
slef: great ... thanks! |
| 09:51 |
|
owen |
Bug Squashing this morning? |
| 09:56 |
|
slef |
http://raw-output.org/20050614[…]ranslators-insane |
| 10:00 |
|
kados |
BugSquashing Session |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
hi everyone |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
who's here? |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
owen and slef I know |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
paul still with us? |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
hdl? |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
here's the list of bugs: |
| 10:01 |
|
kados |
http://tinyurl.com/as66z |
| 10:02 |
|
owen |
Where do you want to start? |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
well last time we did the '900s' |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
but I think pauls method is better |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
start with the ones that are higher priority |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
I have 893 listed first |
| 10:03 |
|
owen |
You mean by severity? |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 10:03 |
|
kados |
http://tinyurl.com/as66z |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
does that link not auto-sort for you by severity? |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
slef joining us? |
| 10:04 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 10:04 |
|
owen |
It does |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
cool |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
paul joining us? |
| 10:04 |
|
paul |
(on phone) |
| 10:04 |
|
kados |
it won't be much of a bug squashing session with owen and I ;-) |
| 10:05 |
|
paul |
(was on phone with francois L. it's done now) |
| 10:06 |
|
kados |
sweet ... ok ... I guess that makes quorum |
| 10:06 |
|
kados |
so |
| 10:06 |
|
kados |
http://tinyurl.com/as66z |
| 10:06 |
|
kados |
list of bugs |
| 10:06 |
|
slef |
also, tinyurl.com links aren't obvious what they are |
| 10:07 |
|
slef |
so I mostly ignore them |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
true |
| 10:07 |
|
owen |
slef, aren't we among friends here? Couldn't you give kados the benefit of the doubt? |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
maybe I'll annotate them from now on |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
anyway ... |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
we've got 66 bugs |
| 10:07 |
|
kados |
bug 893: Can't get past biblio info page in simple acquisitions |
| 10:07 |
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slef |
owen, it was a quick glance at scrollback once I got back online. |
| 10:08 |
|
owen |
I don't see bug 893 happening for us... Can anyone duplicate it? |
| 10:08 |
|
paul |
i think it's a MARC=OFF problem |
| 10:08 |
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slef |
893 is marked Windows 2000 |
| 10:08 |
|
paul |
so, it's for chris ;-) |
| 10:09 |
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owen |
Oh, right. I see |
| 10:09 |
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slef |
I guess we need info from the server log. |
| 10:09 |
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owen |
She said 'simple acquisitions,' so I assumed she meant acqui.simple |
| 10:09 |
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slef |
paul: has anyone got a MARC=OFF system to hand? |
| 10:09 |
|
slef |
erm, not sure why that said paul:, sorry |
| 10:09 |
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paul |
in new zealand, yes. |
| 10:10 |
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kados |
so I'll try to get more info from chris on this one |
| 10:11 |
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kados |
857 is assigned to paul |
| 10:11 |
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kados |
paul: is that still right? |
| 10:11 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 10:11 |
|
kados |
ok ... |
| 10:11 |
|
paul |
I think i've a simple solution to fix it. |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
i'll let the url field with http://site1.com|http://site2.org |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
and split in opac-detail to have correct URLs |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
so, now you can expect a fix in 2.2.4 |
| 10:12 |
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kados |
ok cool |
| 10:12 |
|
kados |
(can't make it for 2.2.3?) |
| 10:12 |
|
paul |
no, because 2.2.3 is for friday on monday ;-) |
| 10:13 |
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kados |
ok ;-) |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
bug 472: It should not be possible to delete an item which is on issu |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
it's ready, translation to french is OK, i'll install a french library in 2 hours for RC tests |
| 10:13 |
|
paul |
nothing to add, it's a bug to fix ;-) |
| 10:13 |
|
kados |
and assigned to paul |
| 10:14 |
|
paul |
yep. I'll take care of it... (nervous smiling, gun in hand...) |
| 10:14 |
|
kados |
hehe |
| 10:14 |
|
slef |
bugs.koha.org just went dead on me for a minute, sorry for being quiet |
| 10:14 |
|
kados |
Bug 670: "Waiting" status often inaccurate |
| 10:15 |
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paul |
owen ? |
| 10:15 |
|
owen |
Yes? |
| 10:15 |
|
paul |
670 is yours ;-) |
| 10:16 |
|
paul |
should we let this bug open ? or close it ? |
| 10:16 |
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kados |
owen: do you consider it fixed? |
| 10:16 |
|
owen |
I think there's one last major place where this bug needs work: Circulation |
| 10:16 |
|
owen |
We need to get information into the circ template about holding branch versus pickup location |
| 10:16 |
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kados |
who was responsible for the fixes on the opac (does anyone know?) |
| 10:18 |
|
owen |
I made some changes in some places...not sure if I worked on the opac or not |
| 10:18 |
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kados |
owen: do you want to investigate further? |
| 10:18 |
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paul |
+ working on .pm will impact opac as well as librarian interface. |
| 10:18 |
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owen |
I'm at the limit of my abilities with circulation.pl |
| 10:18 |
|
owen |
I need someone else to take a look |
| 10:19 |
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kados |
ok ... I'll assign it to myself |
| 10:19 |
|
kados |
Bug 915: opac-MARCdetail.pl incorrectly shows request status |
| 10:20 |
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paul |
owen, is it fixed ? |
| 10:20 |
|
owen |
Not the last time I checked, but let me look again |
| 10:21 |
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kados |
ok ... in the meantime |
| 10:21 |
|
kados |
984: Bug in installer appears to not correctly escape password |
| 10:22 |
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kados |
slef: your bug right? |
| 10:23 |
|
slef |
yes |
| 10:23 |
|
kados |
Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions |
| 10:23 |
|
slef |
I think that's a fix, but |
| 10:23 |
|
slef |
oh, never mind then :-/ |
| 10:23 |
|
kados |
;-) |
| 10:23 |
|
kados |
so is it fixed? |
| 10:24 |
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kados |
sorry, I thought maybe you were still working on it |
| 10:24 |
|
owen |
Bug 915 is not fixed |
| 10:24 |
|
slef |
I think that's a fix and committed to HEAD, but not 2.2 and submitter seems to have died. |
| 10:24 |
|
kados |
submitter? |
| 10:25 |
|
slef |
Cory, who reported the problem. |
| 10:25 |
|
kados |
right |
| 10:25 |
|
kados |
ok ... (thought you were talking about submitter software ;-)) |
| 10:25 |
|
slef |
paul: can you consider that for 2.2? |
| 10:25 |
|
kados |
(and hopefully Cory's not dead ;-)) |
| 10:25 |
|
paul |
yes, i'll give a try. |
| 10:26 |
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kados |
great ... |
| 10:26 |
|
kados |
paul look at 915 too? |
| 10:26 |
|
paul |
yes |
| 10:26 |
|
kados |
Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions |
| 10:27 |
|
slef |
kados: why are you jumping around the bug list? |
| 10:27 |
|
owen |
yeah, that's skipping ahead I think |
| 10:27 |
|
kados |
hum |
| 10:27 |
|
slef |
not just this one, but lots |
| 10:27 |
|
paul |
not skipping for me. |
| 10:27 |
|
kados |
not for me either |
| 10:27 |
|
paul |
bugs ordered by severity |
| 10:28 |
|
paul |
bug 834 : there is an online help, should be enough imho |
| 10:28 |
|
kados |
ok ... so we close it with a pointer to the online help? |
| 10:28 |
|
owen |
I think the normal bugs aren't getting sorted consistently, that's all. |
| 10:29 |
|
owen |
kados, you lead us through the list |
| 10:29 |
|
kados |
ahh ... probably not ... good point |
| 10:29 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 10:29 |
|
paul |
that's my opinion, we can close 834 |
| 10:29 |
|
kados |
ok ... go ahead and close it but include a note about online help |
| 10:29 |
|
paul |
you do ? |
| 10:30 |
|
kados |
no |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
I do ? |
| 10:30 |
|
kados |
yes (if that's ok) |
| 10:30 |
|
paul |
done |
| 10:30 |
|
kados |
ok ... next on my list is |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
857: Cannot link to multiple web site addresses from 856 tag |
| 10:31 |
|
paul |
already done ;-) |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
(I reloaded my page and now everything's ordered differently) |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
sorry |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
:-) |
| 10:31 |
|
owen |
Thanks, Bugzilla! :) |
| 10:31 |
|
paul |
pffff... not fun... |
| 10:31 |
|
kados |
856: subscription renewal changes the start date in OPAC |
| 10:32 |
|
paul |
it's fixed (2 days ago) |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
great ... please close it |
| 10:32 |
|
paul |
done |
| 10:32 |
|
paul |
(& you proofread the page) |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
(I will) |
| 10:32 |
|
paul |
(no, you already proofread the opac page) |
| 10:32 |
|
kados |
878: updatedatabase breaks parameters (author and title searches |
| 10:33 |
|
kados |
(oh ... yes I remember now) ;-) |
| 10:33 |
|
paul |
fixed. |
| 10:34 |
|
paul |
if I don't mind. |
| 10:34 |
|
kados |
right ... go ahead and close it |
| 10:34 |
|
kados |
885:; Non-ISO8859-1 charset support broken in CSS theme in 2.2 |
| 10:35 |
|
paul |
bugs.koha.org off... |
| 10:35 |
|
slef |
sounds interesting to me, but bko just gone off again |
| 10:35 |
|
kados |
yep I notice it too |
| 10:35 |
|
paul |
up again... |
| 10:36 |
|
slef |
anyone up for replacing bko for 2.4? ;-) |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
858 requireds a lot of work. |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
the best solution being to really move to utf-8 |
| 10:36 |
|
kados |
bko? |
| 10:36 |
|
paul |
bugs.koha.org |
| 10:36 |
|
owen |
bugs.koha.org |
| 10:36 |
|
kados |
I agree ... utf-8 is probably the best way to go |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
slef: what do you propose? |
| 10:37 |
|
paul |
(on phone) |
| 10:37 |
|
owen |
Would an upgrade improve things? |
| 10:37 |
|
slef |
kados: give me 5 or 10 minutes at end of bugsquash? (or next time it goes offline) |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
sounds good |
| 10:37 |
|
kados |
so 858 ... |
| 10:37 |
|
slef |
How do we go utf-8? |
| 10:38 |
|
kados |
no idea ... :-) |
| 10:38 |
|
kados |
my knowledge of charsets is pretty poor |
| 10:38 |
|
kados |
Encode is one way I've done it in the past |
| 10:38 |
|
slef |
I guess we add the http-equiv and I make the next installer set the headers in koha-httpd.conf |
| 10:38 |
|
owen |
Wouldn't the same bug require utf-8 in the database? |
| 10:39 |
|
owen |
Is the bug complaining about the templates, or the database, or both? |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
yes. I guess paul will have an opinion about that |
| 10:39 |
|
kados |
slef: have you ever used Template::Toolkit? |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
bug is complaining about templates afaict? |
| 10:39 |
|
paul |
(on phone) |
| 10:39 |
|
kados |
paul: we'll wait for you |
| 10:39 |
|
slef |
kados: Probably. Don't know. |
| 10:39 |
|
kados |
let's move on to 849: Error when generating barcodes |
| 10:39 |
|
kados |
till paul gets back |
| 10:40 |
|
owen |
Hmmm... I haven't tried that in quite a while |
| 10:40 |
|
owen |
No idea if it's still current |
| 10:40 |
|
kados |
I must admit I've never tried to print barcodes |
| 10:40 |
|
owen |
Anyone else playing around with barcodes? |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
i can look into it |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
It's something I should know anyway |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
926Many form tags lack method and/or action attributes |
| 10:41 |
|
owen |
We talked about that one last time. |
| 10:41 |
|
kados |
right |
| 10:41 |
|
owen |
Isn't it assigned to me now? |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
I think so |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
bugzilla down it seeems ;-) |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
actually, it might be NZ bandwidth issue too |
| 10:42 |
|
paul |
back |
| 10:42 |
|
kados |
great ... so back to 858 then |
| 10:42 |
|
slef |
sorry, I just got a call on a line I thought I'd switched off |
| 10:43 |
|
paul |
utf-8 is a 3 way plan i think : |
| 10:43 |
|
paul |
* utf-8 templates |
| 10:43 |
|
paul |
* utf-8 datas |
| 10:43 |
|
paul |
* utf-8 translations |
| 10:43 |
|
paul |
moving templates to utf-8 requires use of a tool like html tidy if i don't mind. |
| 10:44 |
|
owen |
utf-8 datas is the biggest question mark isn't it? |
| 10:44 |
|
paul |
plus some manual changes |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
paul: have you used Template::Toolkit? |
| 10:44 |
|
paul |
No kados. utf-8 datas means, I think : dumping datas, changing mySQL & reloading datas |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
right |
| 10:44 |
|
paul |
for translation, it's not clear. |
| 10:44 |
|
paul |
anyway, it's not a 2.2.x task. |
| 10:44 |
|
kados |
but we still need to figure a way to have utf-8 for templates |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
in addition to data |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
in fact, it might be possible to "pretend" we have utf-8 in the data |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
by using an encode when we pull data out |
| 10:45 |
|
kados |
so maybe this bug is really a feature request? |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
(or at least it suggests a feature request) |
| 10:46 |
|
slef |
or maybe it's a WONTFIX until 2.4? |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
right ... |
| 10:46 |
|
paul |
maybe we can have a solution to fix it without everything in utf-8 |
| 10:46 |
|
kados |
so there's a discussion I'll have to schedule on encoding |
| 10:47 |
|
paul |
i think we need acli opinion. |
| 10:47 |
|
kados |
acli? |
| 10:47 |
|
owen |
The bug reporter |
| 10:47 |
|
kados |
right |
| 10:47 |
|
kados |
ok ... so slef would you look into this one? |
| 10:47 |
|
slef |
either way, that's more than one bug |
| 10:47 |
|
paul |
acli is also tmpl_process3 author (the tool for translations) |
| 10:48 |
|
slef |
kados: yes. |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
we have to investigate correctly this question, because iso2709 char encoding is poor for instance |
| 10:48 |
|
kados |
ok ... go ahead and assign it to yourself |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
(awful in fact ;-) ) |
| 10:48 |
|
kados |
yes! |
| 10:48 |
|
slef |
iso2709 = marc? |
| 10:48 |
|
kados |
it's really abd |
| 10:48 |
|
kados |
bad even |
| 10:48 |
|
slef |
paul: Is that OK with you? |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
iso2709 is the technical form of a MARC file. |
| 10:48 |
|
paul |
it's OK. |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
ok ... shall we move on? |
| 10:49 |
|
paul |
ok for me |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
I can write an email to the list about encoding issues later today |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
247: we should split city and state in borrower info |
| 10:49 |
|
paul |
nice. |
| 10:49 |
|
kados |
is this fixed? |
| 10:49 |
|
owen |
247 is really part of a larger overhaul of the borrower database |
| 10:50 |
|
kados |
ok ... so it's still a prob |
| 10:50 |
|
kados |
owen: can we link 247 with other bugs? |
| 10:50 |
|
owen |
Paul weren't you interested in changing the way the borrower's table looked? |
| 10:50 |
|
paul |
it's not a bug for frenchies ;-) |
| 10:50 |
|
paul |
right owen. |
| 10:50 |
|
paul |
I think we need to clarify borrowers table |
| 10:50 |
|
owen |
paul: right, but it's a larger issue in terms of i8n |
| 10:50 |
|
paul |
because fields names are not clear. |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
so ... another discussion on koha-devel it sounds like eh? |
| 10:51 |
|
paul |
yep. |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
I'll start that one tomorrow ;-) |
| 10:51 |
|
paul |
just 1 example : |
| 10:51 |
|
owen |
Well, kados, it's something to tackle along with NCIP |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
871: Rename OPAC CSS template 'default' |
| 10:51 |
|
kados |
owen: right ... I'll talk to Art about it |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
Art ? |
| 10:52 |
|
owen |
If we're going to have a new default template for 2.4, then 871 is moot |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
right. |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
so "wontfix" ? |
| 10:52 |
|
owen |
But right now the default opac template is unusable |
| 10:52 |
|
kados |
why's that? |
| 10:52 |
|
paul |
yes, I should remove it from official releases. |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
right ... |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
also: remove sample data from official release paul |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
the sample data is for 1.2 Koha |
| 10:53 |
|
paul |
that's done since 2.2.1 iirc |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
ok ... just checking |
| 10:53 |
|
owen |
Have we replaced it with something? |
| 10:53 |
|
kados |
paul: change 871 to WONTFIX ? |
| 10:54 |
|
paul |
no owen & that's a shame I agree. |
| 10:54 |
|
paul |
if someone has a sample & working MARC21 english DB, let me know ! |
| 10:54 |
|
kados |
I could contribute some data I think (maybe in time for 2.2.3) |
| 10:54 |
|
kados |
ok ... |
| 10:54 |
|
paul |
put it in misc/sql-datas/english |
| 10:55 |
|
kados |
612: Renewal failure gives no feedback |
| 10:55 |
|
paul |
& the user can upload it. |
| 10:55 |
|
kados |
paul: ok |
| 10:56 |
|
kados |
paul: did you already fix 612? |
| 10:56 |
|
paul |
no (reading it) |
| 10:57 |
|
paul |
no, i did nothing on this. |
| 10:58 |
|
kados |
is it interesting to you? |
| 10:58 |
|
owen |
I'm wavering on whether this is still relevant |
| 10:58 |
|
owen |
We've managed to get the renewal checkboxes not to appear in the templates |
| 10:58 |
|
paul |
quite a complex one to re-play. |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
;-) |
| 10:59 |
|
kados |
ok ... does that mean you'd like to fix it if it's a bug? |
| 10:59 |
|
kados |
s/like to//; |
| 10:59 |
|
paul |
if nobody else want it yes :-( |
| 10:59 |
|
kados |
I'm actually pretty familiar with that code |
| 11:00 |
|
kados |
so I can take it on (leave other stuff for you to take ) ;-) |
| 11:00 |
|
kados |
right |
| 11:00 |
|
kados |
892: data in a closed order appear differently than data before c |
| 11:01 |
|
paul |
i'll take care of it. |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
ok |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
585: Using 'document.forms[0]' notation prevents use of other for |
| 11:01 |
|
kados |
owen: could you take 585? |
| 11:02 |
|
paul |
not a fixable bug, but some coding rules. |
| 11:02 |
|
slef |
owen reported it ;) |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
753: Apostrophes and commas cause marc_word search to fail |
| 11:02 |
|
paul |
that are not respected (i'm a dummy in html, I agree) |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
753 is fixed right? |
| 11:02 |
|
paul |
I think |
| 11:02 |
|
kados |
I know it is |
| 11:03 |
|
slef |
ideally, javascript needs to be removed, but it's not a 2.2 option, is it? |
| 11:03 |
|
paul |
you change it fixed ? |
| 11:03 |
|
slef |
Is non-javascript browser support in the 2.4 roadmap? |
| 11:03 |
|
kados |
yep |
| 11:03 |
|
kados |
(to paul) |
| 11:03 |
|
owen |
I don't think removing javascript is an option period. |
| 11:04 |
|
slef |
If you want a fat client, that shouldn't be the web browser. |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
slef: non-javascript support is definitely important for 2.4 |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
imo |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
but I also think use of javascript is a 'good thing' |
| 11:04 |
|
kados |
for browsers that support it |
| 11:05 |
|
slef |
as helpers, perhaps |
| 11:05 |
|
kados |
even for major functions as long as there are other ways to perform the functions |
| 11:05 |
|
kados |
but that's a topic for another discussion |
| 11:05 |
|
owen |
I agree |
| 11:06 |
|
kados |
owen can you handle 585 (either close it if there's nothing to fix and alert Stephen to include that recommendation in coding guideelines)? |
| 11:06 |
|
owen |
Yes |
| 11:06 |
|
kados |
I'll skip 950 ... paul still working on that I asume |
| 11:06 |
|
kados |
717: Quotes in MARC subfield cause blank line in addbiblio.tmpl |
| 11:07 |
|
kados |
anyone know if this is still a problem? |
| 11:07 |
|
paul |
about 950 : i'm waiting for owen answer |
| 11:07 |
|
owen |
Uh oh... :) |
| 11:08 |
|
paul |
717 : dunno |
| 11:08 |
|
kados |
I'll assign it to me and I'll find out |
| 11:08 |
|
owen |
One thing about 717 |
| 11:08 |
|
kados |
I'll skip 992 (I'm still working on it) |
| 11:08 |
|
kados |
owen: ok |
| 11:08 |
|
owen |
We've got a problem with #'s |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
ok ... can you add it to the description? |
| 11:09 |
|
owen |
Sure. |
| 11:09 |
|
kados |
834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions |
| 11:09 |
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kados |
sorry ... we've done that one right? |
| 11:10 |
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paul |
already done 1 hour later |
| 11:10 |
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kados |
844: renewstatus subroutine should check for reserves |
| 11:10 |
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kados |
paul: do you like the fix? |
| 11:10 |
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kados |
paul: or should it be customizable? |
| 11:11 |
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paul |
it's ok for me |
| 11:11 |
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kados |
ok ... I'll skip 975 |
| 11:11 |
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kados |
782: Admin interface must not require javascript |
| 11:12 |
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kados |
owen: can you handle 782? |
| 11:12 |
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owen |
that's part of our larger javascript question, I think |
| 11:12 |
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owen |
I'm still on the fence, despite my comments there |
| 11:13 |
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kados |
ok ... so I'll put that on the list then for discussion on koha-devel |
| 11:13 |
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kados |
868: OPAC MARC view doesn't appear in IE6 |
| 11:14 |
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paul |
i'm working on this |
| 11:14 |
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kados |
ok ... |
| 11:14 |
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kados |
879: bugs on OPAC |
| 11:14 |
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paul |
(unless owen want to fix it...) |
| 11:14 |
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kados |
I'm assuming operator error here |
| 11:14 |
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kados |
and I'm closing it out |
| 11:14 |
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owen |
Paul, I can take a look |
| 11:14 |
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slef |
kados: close as worksforme? |
| 11:14 |
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paul |
ok, thanks. I'm not so good in css... |
| 11:14 |
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kados |
slef: yep |
| 11:15 |
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kados |
452: Payment due flags not showing up for children |
| 11:15 |
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kados |
owen: so I'll assign 868 to you |
| 11:16 |
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kados |
owen: ahh ... already done |
| 11:16 |
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kados |
right |
| 11:17 |
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kados |
ok ... let's start that then |
| 11:17 |
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kados |
slef have a proposal? |
| 11:17 |
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slef |
Is this discussing bugs.koha.org? |
| 11:17 |
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kados |
yep |
| 11:17 |
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slef |
452 looks like an enhancement, by the way |
| 11:18 |
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kados |
slef: can you mark it thus |
| 11:18 |
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slef |
paul: how long are you there for? |
| 11:18 |
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paul |
i have to leave in 5-10 mn |
| 11:19 |
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slef |
Basically, bugs.koha.org showed us some of its weak spots today. |
| 11:19 |
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kados |
because |
| 11:19 |
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slef |
There are also security updates out for its version of bugzilla. |
| 11:19 |
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kados |
1. timeouts (or general processing slowness) |
| 11:19 |
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kados |
2. limits for sorting |
| 11:19 |
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slef |
and a whole later minor version is out too (2.16.x) if I understand it correctly |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
ok ... so should we bug katipo to upgrade? |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
(it's probably just running whatever woody's got) |
| 11:20 |
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slef |
There's a couple of other things which irritate with bugzilla: registrations to submit bugs; inability to send email commands |
| 11:20 |
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kados |
(so updating would require pinning, etc.) |
| 11:20 |
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slef |
kados: depends if they're planning to move to sarge soon |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
has anyone played with the sourceforge bug reporting system? |
| 11:21 |
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paul |
sarge is out ? |
| 11:21 |
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paul |
:-D |
| 11:21 |
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slef |
paul: since 8 days |
| 11:21 |
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paul |
was a joke. Even martians know this ;-) |
| 11:21 |
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slef |
kados: yes. Normal sourceforge problems |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
right ... |
| 11:21 |
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paul |
like slowness... |
| 11:21 |
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kados |
just thought I'd throw it in the mix |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
kados: it works and probably is less of a single-failure-point than bugs.koha.org right now, but on the whole, I'd prefer to stay at katipo |
| 11:22 |
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kados |
right |
| 11:22 |
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slef |
do we ask katipo to upgrade bugzilla, or do we look to move to a competitor for 2.3/2.4 and just use bugzilla for 2.2? |
| 11:23 |
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slef |
is bugzilla mostly doing what you want and it's just me? |
| 11:23 |
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kados |
hmmm ... |
| 11:23 |
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kados |
well since this is pretty much the largest dev project I'm involved with |
| 11:23 |
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slef |
(My attempt to get routine buglists out of bugzilla didn't work, as you can probably tell by the lack of them ;-) ) |
| 11:23 |
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paul |
i'll have to leave now. |
| 11:23 |
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kados |
I'm not really clear on the options |
| 11:23 |
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paul |
unless there's a critical bug to see immediatly |
| 11:24 |
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kados |
paul: ok ... thanks! |
| 11:24 |
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slef |
paul: thanks |
| 11:24 |
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kados |
paul: nope ... we'll get the rest next time |
| 11:24 |
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kados |
paul: :-) |
| 11:24 |
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paul |
you're welcome. Read you soon |
| 11:24 |
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kados |
slef: so what are our options for bug reporting systems these days? |
| 11:24 |
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kados |
I seem to recall that the one bug I reported for Fedora was running on a nice reporting system |
| 11:25 |
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kados |
I guess they've got bugzilla too |
| 11:25 |
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slef |
kados: bugzilla, sourceforge, http://www.mantisbt.org/ (but that's python), http://www.bestpractice.com/rt/ http://www.agstools.com/bugtrack/ |
| 11:25 |
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slef |
Did you have to register to report the bug in Fedora? |
| 11:26 |
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kados |
yep |
| 11:26 |
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kados |
that bestpractice link isn't working for me |
| 11:27 |
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slef |
I think that puts people off. I don't really understand why bugzilla does that, apart from maybe spamming. |
| 11:27 |
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slef |
sorry |
| 11:27 |
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slef |
http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ |
| 11:27 |
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slef |
was typing from memory |
| 11:27 |
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kados |
yep |
| 11:27 |
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kados |
shoot .. phone brb |
| 11:29 |
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slef |
well, owen isn't returning anyway... |
| 11:30 |
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slef |
...I guess I'll move this to koha-devel. |
| 11:30 |
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kados |
sounds good |
| 11:30 |
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kados |
thx |
