Time Nick Message 13:33 paul_away kados, are you around ? 13:54 kados paul: paul yes 13:54 paul i'm trying to insert my iso2709 into zebra 13:55 kados great! 13:55 paul but can't find how to configure zebra.cfg 13:55 paul not great ;-) 13:55 paul could you explain how you do this ? 13:55 kados (phone call):-/ 13:55 paul I may write a small SearchZebra.pm package for some tests if I succeed 13:56 paul ok, i'll wait. 13:56 paul (don't be too long, it's 9PM in France ;-) ) 13:57 kados back 13:58 kados hmmm ... so here's how I did it 13:58 kados after install you should have a test directory 13:58 kados go to test/usmarc 13:58 paul right. 13:58 kados run ./test.pl 13:58 kados test.pl look in 'records' directory 13:58 paul test.sh 13:58 paul you mean 13:58 kados right 13:59 paul that's here : 13:59 paul recordType: grs.marc.usmarc 13:59 paul i think. 14:01 kados if you put an iso2709 file in records directory 14:01 paul indexing EMN... 14:01 kados it will index it (I hope) 14:01 paul it's on the way ;-) 14:02 kados good ... then it will automatically start a Z39.50 server 14:02 paul mmm... 14:02 kados (should take about 3 minutes) 14:02 paul 21:01:42-13/06 zebraidx(12685) [log] zebra_end_trans 14:02 paul Aborted 14:02 kados ahh ... probably because it's unimarc 14:02 kados :-( 14:02 kados k 14:06 paul http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=330&part=rss&tag=feed&subj=zdblog 14:06 paul just for smiling 14:08 paul http://indexdata.dk/pipermail/zebralist/2003-April/000203.html is the answer to our question 14:10 kados nice! 14:10 paul except that i get a 14:10 paul Search was a bloomin' failure. 14:10 paul in yaz-client :-( 14:10 paul still investigating 14:10 paul [121] Unsupported Attribute Set -- v2 addinfo 'Bib-1' 14:12 kados hmmm ... 14:12 kados maybe you need a unimarc.abs? 14:41 paul kados ? 14:41 paul could you pls write a sample of a search on title 14:41 paul i try 14:41 paul find @attr 1=4 jauge 14:41 paul should have 1 answer (& only 1) 14:41 paul but get none 14:42 paul trying find title=jauge returns nothing either 15:09 kados paul: give me the server IP 15:09 paul opening firewall... 15:09 kados paul: I'll add it to the liblime z39.50 client 15:10 paul note it will be a sometimes-up server... 15:10 paul bureau.paulpoulain.com port 2100 as usual 15:11 kados paul: are you sure it's not port 9999? 15:11 paul should be up 15:11 paul zebrasrv -v 10 @:2100 15:11 kados ok 15:11 paul so should be on 2100 isn't it ? 15:11 paul try a query with title containg "jauge" 15:11 paul only 1 answer expected 15:11 paul or author=bellac 15:12 paul will return 4 results 15:12 kados paul: http://liblime.com/zap/advanced.html 15:12 kados seems unavailable 15:13 paul mmm... strange.... firewall open 15:13 paul (on port 2100 only) 15:14 kados I tried 2100 ... 15:15 paul iirc you added "VOYAGER" somewhere 15:15 paul i didn't do such thing 15:15 kados I used 'default' which is Zebra's default database 15:16 kados (unless you have different database listed in zebra.cfg 15:16 paul anyway, no log in my zebrasrv console 15:16 kados right 15:16 paul i've only : 15:16 paul profilePath: . 15:16 paul attset: bib1.att 15:16 paul attset: explain.att 15:16 paul recordType: grs.marc.unimarc 15:16 paul lockDir: lock 15:16 kados bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100 15:16 kados right? 15:16 paul setTmpDir: tmp 15:16 paul keyTmpDir: tmp 15:16 paul memMax: 4 15:16 kados yea ... all of that is right 15:17 paul yes, it's bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100 15:17 kados let's try by IP address 15:18 paul why do I get poul-poulain in 15:18 paul poul-poulain: unavailable 15:18 kados still not working 15:18 paul it's not poul but paul. 15:19 kados ahh ... typeo 15:19 kados yes it should 15:19 paul should change something ? 15:19 kados yep 15:19 kados now we get 'no hits' ;-) 15:19 kados you have a log? 15:20 paul yes 15:20 paul a long (launched with v 10 ;-) ) 15:20 kados strange ... unavailable again 15:20 kados ok .. back up ;-) 15:20 paul i see new logs 15:20 kados still 'no hits' 15:21 paul i promise i havent done anything. 15:21 kados what is a keyword? 15:21 kados (maybe network timeout) 15:21 kados bellac? 15:21 kados no hits for it 15:21 paul a keyword you mean a subject ? 15:21 kados sure 15:21 paul theorie should be a subject 15:21 kados anything really 15:22 paul http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/search.marc/search.pl?type=intranet 15:22 kados not finding anything it seems 15:22 paul with login test / test as usual. will give you usual Koha interface. 15:22 kados ok ... I'll log into my machine ;-) 15:23 paul & then go to bed ;-) 15:23 kados good idea 15:23 kados ;-) 15:24 kados hi David 15:24 kados need some help? 15:24 David yes please! 15:25 David I'm at the right place I take it? 15:25 paul for sure ! 15:25 kados yep ;-) 15:25 David Having problems with Koha 2.2 on Windows XP 15:25 paul & you are speaking with previous & actual release manager ! 15:25 kados hehe 15:25 David Getting a Premature end of script headers: isbnsearch.pl error when entering data 15:26 kados any mesages above that? 15:26 kados (that's just about as generic as error messages get ;-)) 15:26 paul you mean you have 2.2.2b ? 15:26 David It says 'The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your 15:26 David request. 15:26 kados there should be some complaints on the lines above that line 15:26 kados how about above that? 15:27 kados script names, line numbers ... all helpful 15:27 David Apache logs say 'Can"t use an undefined value as a HASH reference at c:/usr/koha222/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm line 255' 15:28 paul just enter an empty word 15:28 paul in Koha >> parameters >> empty word 15:28 kados aha! that's the problem 15:28 paul should REALLY be in bold & everywhere... 15:28 paul as this question is asked almost once a week. 15:28 paul (not your fault but our...) 15:29 David Sorry - I'm not actually on the PC Koha is installed on - it's at work and I'm at home at the moment! 15:29 paul no prob, but 99% sure it's the origin of your problem ;-) 15:30 David Just explain - what do you mean by just enter an empty word? 15:30 paul the, a, an, in... 15:30 paul are empty words in english 15:30 paul le, la, une, ... are empty words in french 15:31 owen stop words 15:31 owen /cgi-bin/koha/admin/stopwords.pl 15:31 paul oups, sorry, in french, it's "empty" words. 15:32 David how does that relate to the error? 15:32 paul us ppl should light on TV... 15:32 kados David: they're called 'stop words' in English 15:32 paul if they care about M. Jackson suing... 15:32 kados ahh ... owen caught it already 15:32 kados ;-) 15:33 paul david : if you don't have a stopword, then Koha bugs. 15:33 David ok - i'll give it a go when i get to work! 15:33 paul because the stopword hash structure contains nothing (different from "" in Perl) 15:36 David Thanks for the help. Maybe it will all become clear when I try it on the PC in 1/2 hr or so. I'll report back then. Thanks! 15:37 paul you're welcome.I'll be in bed anyway ;-) 15:38 kados paul: how many records are in the database? 15:38 paul 13000 15:38 kados thanks ... writing an email to the list now 15:38 kados about Zebra 15:39 paul writing a mail to zebra list & going to bed 15:39 kados cool ... have a good sleep 15:57 kados paul_bed: Sebastial responded already ;-) 15:57 kados paul_bed: Sebastian even ;-) 16:07 kados chris around? 16:47 sanspach I searched logs and bugs but didn't see anything: has there been talk of isbn-13/ean ? 16:51 kados hey sanspach 16:51 kados what about isbn-13/ean? 16:51 kados (is that different that isbn?) 16:52 sanspach the isbn is moving to 13 digits and will now conform to standard for EAN 16:52 kados ahh ... no we haven't addressed any potential issues with that on koha-devel 16:52 kados might be good to bring it up 16:52 kados can you do that? 16:53 sanspach I was poking around for checkdigit (I want to do a different checkdigit algorithm) 16:53 sanspach and noticed ISBN for 10-digits 16:53 sanspach already have code for 13 digits/EAN as well as conversion 16:53 sanspach I'll try to write something 16:54 sanspach probably should make two different suggestions, though 16:55 kados cool 16:55 kados thanks! 16:57 owen When the question of isbn-13 was brough up on the Koha list on 3/28/2005, the response from Stephen was "the ISBN field can actually store 14 characters." 16:57 owen Currently Koha doesn't have any built-in ISBN checks 16:57 sanspach there are indications that anyone programming for 13 should go ahead for 14 16:58 sanspach but then there's the question of what to do with that extra character in the meantime 16:58 sanspach the isbn check subroutine isn't used? (I'm very new to Koha) 17:00 owen No 17:02 sanspach ah, thus bug 906 requesting that there be a check (duh!) 17:21 kados chris around? 17:21 rach hello 17:21 kados hey rach 17:21 kados sorry about the bugsquashing session time ;-) 17:21 rach :-) 17:22 kados it's the only time I could get paul, slef, hdl, and genji to commit to 17:22 kados I hope the Search Meeting suggested time is better 17:23 rach but I've put in a couple of bug reports over the last week 17:23 kados yep ... saw those 17:26 rach There is a bit of a disconnect I think around acquisitions because the major developers/their libraries don't actually use that module 17:26 kados yea ... NPL doesn't use it at all 17:26 rach but I figure I should notify the things I think are bugs so that someone can scream if they don't think they are :-) 17:26 kados so I'm not really familiar with the issues 17:27 kados yep ... I suspect paul will be glad to optionize areas where libraries disagree 17:28 kados the Zebra Searching email is pretty important rach 17:28 rach I don't think any of pauls clients use acquisitions either - but if they do, then I'm keen to hear wether the problems that I think oculd arrise is actually do in real life 17:28 kados (just in cause you thought maybe it was just a techie thing) 17:28 kados if we go with Zebra we'll have to seriously look at what to do with non-MARC libraries 17:30 rach yep 17:32 rach idiot question perhaps but why? I thought (so I must be wrong on this) that non-marc libraries basically are just choosing not to see the Marc? But that the fields etc can still be linked up? or is that not right? 17:32 kados yea they can be 17:32 rach I thought they were by default? 17:33 kados but that may not be the best way to approach zebra 17:33 kados not sure as i don't have a non-marc koha installed anywhere 17:33 rach because even the people who don't want to see marc, still want to be able to export their data as marc in the future etc - I might be off base on that, or we may not have gone where I had in mind 17:34 rach but my thought/intention with MARC being on or off was that it should be largely just a matter of templates 17:34 kados yep ... though I'm not sure if that's the case 17:34 kados chris should know 17:35 rach you can turn marc off and on in a library fairly happily :-) 17:35 rach but yep the reality may not live up to my ideal :-) 17:35 kados hehe ... true 17:42 rach chris isn't in today unfortunatly 17:51 rach joshua are yo a list admin for the koha-devl list? 17:57 kados yea I can be 17:57 kados need something done? 02:35 paul someone testing ZAP! with paul-poulain at the moment ? 02:54 paul salut francoisl 02:54 paul je suis en train de rédiger un mail pour la liste infos. 02:55 paul marqué [important]... 04:28 David Paul: Thanks very much for the help this morning (my time). The problem was with the 'Stop words' being empty. Never would have found that myself! 04:28 paul right. 04:28 paul that's why we really should write it somewhere... 04:28 paul no, everywhere... 04:29 David Yes - it certainly would help! 04:29 paul have a good night if i don't mind ;-) 04:29 paul (almost lunch time for me) 04:29 David 9.30pm here (New Zealand) - where are you? 04:30 paul in France 04:32 David I've never been on this IRC channel before and only just tried using Koha, so it's the first time I've chatted with Paul 04:33 David My partner is getting suspious - me chatting online and all (he he...) 04:33 David I'd better go! 04:33 paul i have to go too 04:33 David Thanks again 06:02 kados paul: looks like you got your records indexed. congrats! 06:04 kados paul: also, note that I'm getting some hits from the Zap client 06:04 kados but the records aren't being displayed 06:11 paul kados : 'morning. 06:11 kados hi paul 06:13 paul how do you do to retrieve records. 06:13 paul because I see then in yaz-client 06:13 paul s/then/them/ 06:14 paul Z> format xml 06:14 paul Z> show 1 06:14 paul Sent presentRequest (1+1). 06:14 paul Records: 1 06:14 paul [Default]Record type: XML 06:14 paul <unimarc><001>8058</001><010>< ><a>2222040264</a></ ></010><090>< ><9>7591</9><a>7591</a></ ></090><101>< ><a>fre</a></ ></101><200><1 ><a>Des ph\XE9nom\XE8nes critiques aux champs de jauge</a><e>une introduction aux m\XE9thodes at aux applications de la th\XE9orie quantique des champs</e><f>LE BELLAC, M</f></1 ></200><210>< ><5>CNRS Editions</5><a>Paris</a><c>CNRS Editions</c><d>1988</d></ ></210><215>< ><a>369 p</a><d>25 cm</d></ ></215><225>< 06:14 paul Savoirs actuels</a></ ></225><410>< ><t>Savoirs actuels</t></ ></410><606>< ><9>3419</9><a>NUCLEAIRE</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4229</9><a>PHYSIQUE NUCLEAIRE</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>5457</9><a>PHASE DE TRANSITION</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4920</9><a>THEORIE DES CHAMPS</a></ ></606><606>< ><9>4689</9><a>RENORMALISATION</a></ ></606><686>< ><a>LIVR</a></ ></686><700>< ><9>8520</9><a>LE BELLAC, Michel</a></ ></700><990>< ><a>N 8 06:14 paul BEL</a><e>Nucl\XE9aire (Orange)</e></ ></990><995>< ><9>10795</9><b>CDI</b><c>CDI</c><e>SL</e><f>INVENTAIRE 6 FAIT LE 29.07.03</f><j>012676</j><k>N 8 BEL</k><o>0</o><u><b>OUVRAGE RECHERCHE</b></u></ ></995> 06:14 paul <idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/"> 06:14 paul <size>841</size> 06:14 paul <localnumber>7598</localnumber> 06:14 paul <filename>catalogue/EMN.iso2709</filename> 06:14 paul </idzebra> 06:14 paul </unimarc> 06:14 paul which is correct. 06:14 paul do you know how to retrieve iso2709 files ? 06:15 kados sure ... 06:15 kados there are two stages to a z39.50 request 06:15 kados search 06:15 kados present 06:16 paul the "show 1" you mean ? 06:16 paul (in yaz-client) 06:16 kados yes 06:16 paul I tried : format usmarc 06:16 paul show 1 06:16 kados except that you can 'show 1-50' 06:16 paul and got : 06:16 paul Z> format usmarc 06:16 paul Z> show 1 06:16 paul Sent presentRequest (1+1). 06:16 paul Records: 1 06:16 paul [Default]Diagnostic message(s) from database: 06:16 paul [238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo '' 06:16 paul nextResultSetPosition = 2 06:16 paul Elapsed: 0.000816 06:17 kados ahh ... yes ... 06:17 paul any idea welcomed 06:17 kados http://liblime.com/zap/try.html 06:17 kados put your server:port/database (default is fine) 06:18 paul works fine, except in usmarc format :-( 06:18 kados right 06:18 kados well remember that zebra 06:19 kados relies on the data as a file 06:19 kados and retrieves it that way 06:19 paul ??? 06:19 kados zebra creates its own index 06:19 kados but still retrieves the records from the file 06:20 kados (you can have zebra store internally the data but not by default) 06:21 paul and then ? 06:21 kados http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/locating-records.tkl 06:21 paul (is there something related to the show format ? 06:21 kados maybe ... 06:24 kados http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/protocol-support.tkl 06:25 kados http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/formats.tkl 06:25 kados this last one maybe 06:26 kados we may need to setup a .map schema ... but not sure 07:23 paul kados : got it ! 07:24 paul strange... 07:24 paul works fine in explicit usmarc format in try.html 07:25 paul but still wrong in advanced.html 07:27 paul in try.html, the following display are OK : SUTRS, USMARC, XML 07:27 paul the other display are empty : GRS-1, danmarc, HTML 07:28 paul kados, do you want that I commit some of my files into CVS ? 07:38 kados sure 07:38 paul any idea on try.html working & not advanced.html ? 07:38 kados even better would be a README for how to setup Zebra with a Koha catalog eh? 07:38 paul ;-) 07:38 kados it's very strange 07:39 paul tomorrow, i'll try to share some SearchMarcZebra.pm package. 07:39 kados paul: one important thing to consider is switching to utf-8 07:39 kados paul: that'd be great! 07:39 paul for sure ! 07:39 paul I begin to understand how zebra config files works. should not be too hard. 07:40 paul 1- query zebra 07:40 paul 2- retrieve records 07:40 paul 3- find biblionumber 07:40 paul 4- do as usual. 07:40 kados yes ... perfect for a test case 07:40 kados but eventually I think we should do: 07:40 kados 1- query zebra 07:40 kados 2- retrieve records 07:40 paul will be a P.O.C., as it's silly to retrieve records then retrieve them again in Koha ;-) 07:41 kados 3- display to user 07:41 kados right ;-) 07:41 kados the only thing MARC doens't have is status info 07:41 kados which can be easily obtained from koha tables 07:41 paul should not be to hard to embeed in the MARC record. 07:41 paul (in UNIMARC recommandation 995, there is a subfield for this) 07:41 kados really! that's good news 07:42 paul (unused yet for koha users) 07:42 kados although I do want to preserve transactions in koha tables 07:42 paul http://www.adbdp.asso.fr/outils/infogestion/r995.htm 07:42 kados I think we have two databases: 07:42 paul right. we will have to invetigate to see if it's better to have transactions in Koha or in zebra. 07:42 kados koha database handles information on the movement of items 07:43 paul anyway, at 1st glance, my feeling is that we still need raw marc in Koha. 07:43 kados zebra handles textual elements of MARC records 07:43 kados I hope transactions in Koha will be better 07:43 kados (otherwise, what's the point of using koha ;-)) 07:43 paul ;-) 07:44 paul in reco995, issuing informations are in : 07:44 paul $m - Date de prêt ou de dépôt 07:44 paul $n - Date de restitution prévue 07:44 paul $o - Catégorie de circulation 07:44 paul (issuing date / return date / issuing category) 07:44 kados cool 07:44 paul my idea could be to have : 07:45 paul * zebra for search & results list 07:45 paul * koha for MARC editor and when MARCdetail.pl called. 07:45 kados why when marcdetail called? 07:46 paul because we already know the $bibid, so no need to query zebra 07:46 paul + we already have issuing status in mySQL 07:46 kados but ... we already have the whole marc record too 07:46 kados so why re-query mysql at all? 07:47 paul yes but no. where is the marc record coming from zebra once you have sent opac-searchresult.pl to the user ? 07:48 paul as we are in http, what you have found is in a process that is dead. 07:48 kados not if we use DOM 07:48 paul so, when the user clics on "see detail", you need to find the MARC data again isn't it ? 07:48 kados nope ... 07:48 kados just have a 'tab' 07:48 kados when they click on it, it displays 07:48 kados no reload 07:49 paul and when you get 150 results from the query ? you DOM'ed the 150 biblios ? 07:50 kados here's an example: 07:50 kados http://catalog.cincinnatilibrary.org/uhtbin/cgisirsi/x/0/0/123?searchdata1=cryptonomicon&srchfield1=GENERAL%5ESUBJECT%5EGENERAL%5E%5Ewords+or+phrase 07:50 kados (not sure if this link works ... if not: 07:50 paul works 07:50 kados great 07:50 kados click on catalog record 07:51 kados oops ... now I understand what you mean 07:51 paul (in konqueror, the marc is always here ;-) works fine in ff) 07:51 paul ;-) 07:51 kados and I forgot that your default view is MARC 07:51 kados whereas NPL is not 07:52 paul my problem is not here. 07:52 kados so I thought you meant to re-query after details page is already loaded 07:52 kados but you mean on the initial search results page _> details page 07:52 paul it's that when you do a search, you 1st get a result list, then a detail 07:52 kados right ... 07:52 paul http://catalog.cincinnatilibrary.org/uhtbin/cgisirsi/kah3LgwRwu/MAIN/59160050/5/0 07:53 paul then >> clic detail (& read the MARC record once again) 07:53 kados what is the search term? 07:53 paul lord ring in title 07:54 kados (the link is session-based and so it didn't work) 07:54 kados ok 07:55 kados well maybe we should re-invent this function 07:55 kados do search 07:55 kados return result list 07:55 kados user clicks on detail 07:55 kados details pop down below record 07:55 paul even in this case, you can sent all the records in 1 html page. 07:55 kados avoiding page reloads 07:56 kados no ... only the first 10 07:56 paul (in case there are only 20, you will have html rendering very long !) 07:56 kados hmmm 07:56 paul & http traffic too heavy on a low bandwidth 07:57 kados are you sure? 07:57 kados a marc file is quite small 07:57 paul the html MARC editor page (for a single MARC record) can be >50KB 07:57 paul (with all the authorised values lists I agree) 07:58 paul but my opinion is that we will have a better way (& an easier one) to use zebra for what it's done for : indexing & searching. 07:58 kados yep ... 07:58 kados (above this I was just brain-storming ;-)) 07:59 paul right. we all are brain storming ;-) 07:59 kados hehe 07:59 paul (beware the headake) 07:59 paul headake ? 07:59 paul (wrong spelling i bet) 07:59 kados headache I think 08:00 kados :-) 08:03 kados paul: do you run multiple Koha's on the same machine regularly? 08:04 paul no : always. 08:04 kados right 08:04 paul go to bureau.paulpoulain.com : at least 4 public Koha. + 22+head + 2 private atm 08:04 kados and all of them from CVS repos? 08:04 paul yes 08:04 paul (from rel_2_2) 08:04 kados do you use installer.pl to create a new install? 08:05 paul (except head, of course) 08:05 kados or do you manually install? 08:05 paul no more installer.pl on my computer. 08:05 paul but when doing a public install, I use installer.pl of course 08:05 kados right 08:05 kados I'm thinking it would be nice to modularize Koha a bit more 08:05 paul + mysqldump the DB from my server & mysql <db.sql on the dest server. 08:06 paul like ? 08:06 kados the current intaller is pretty limited 08:06 kados well /etc/koha.conf 08:06 kados /etc/koha-httpd.conf 08:06 kados always go in the same place 08:07 kados and I can't have say /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client1.conf /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client2.conf, etc 08:07 paul why not. the 1st test to remove in this case is the "stop installer if /etc/koha.conf exists) 08:07 kados right 08:07 paul should not be too hard to do. But a little bit tricky for updater... 08:07 kados but also we should have an installer.conf 08:07 paul we already have 08:07 paul (auto_install file) 08:08 paul where you can set all parameters & have an automatic install 08:08 kados right ... but still some limitations 08:08 paul only 1 that i see 08:08 kados like I can't choose where to put koha-httpd.conf koha.conf (or what to call them) 08:08 kados I can't choose log file names, etc. 08:08 paul no way to specify sql files to upload. 08:09 paul right, but it's not auto_install limit, it's installer.pl limit ! 08:09 kados right 08:09 kados I should just read through installer.pl ... but I suspect there are some PATH muckings in there as well 08:10 paul maybe. I must say i'm not a .sh pro 08:10 kados also ... a question 08:10 paul so i just created auto_install, using what had been written before. 08:10 kados would it be a good idea to run multiple Kohas off the same script files? 08:10 paul ??? 08:10 kados (changing templates of course) 08:11 kados I know if sounds crazy ;-) 08:11 kados s/if/it/ 08:11 kados I'm just thinking that it might be nice to have: 08:11 kados /build/koha/opac 08:11 paul (no, it's just i don't undestand. not crazy ;-) ) 08:11 kados /build/client1/opac-tmpl 08:11 kados /build/client2/opac-tmpl 08:12 kados /build/client1/etc/koha.conf 08:12 kados /build/client2/etc/koha.conf 08:12 kados /var/lib/mysql/client1 08:12 kados /var/lib/mysql/client2 08:12 paul that's already possible (manually) to share .pl & .pm but have spectific templates for each library, as well as parameters & sql, of course 08:12 kados but all of the clients use the same /build/koha/opac, intranet, etc. 08:12 paul (as templates path is in /etc/koha.conf iirc) 08:13 kados right ... just wondering if that's something you've played with 08:13 paul no for templates, as i only deal with css in opac 08:13 paul (& a stylesheet if requested) 08:14 kados i would also like to create an installer for the CVS repo 08:14 kados actually ... 08:14 paul you have too many ideas... 08:14 paul ;-) 08:14 kados it might be nice if we had installer.pl and cvs-installer.pl 08:15 kados :-) 08:15 paul (you will have to delay some of them imho) 08:15 kados cvs-installer.pl would grab the latest cvs repo and install from there 08:15 kados (of course) 08:21 kados FrancoisL: hi there Francois-Laurent 08:21 kados FrancoisL: what's new with you? 09:03 kados slef: evening 09:04 kados slef: are any of the times paul listed in his response to the Searching Meeting email good for you? 09:15 FrancoisL Hi kados ! How are you ? 09:16 paul hi again francoisl ;-) 09:16 FrancoisL paul: salut 09:17 FrancoisL kados: I've been with the SAN last week - things are clear now 09:17 FrancoisL I have a list of all modifications they want (not a long list !) 09:17 FrancoisL We are hiring a Koha developper to help them. 09:18 paul did you plan to be here for "Koha 2.4 Searching Group Meeting" ? 09:18 paul VERY important, imho. 09:19 kados yes 09:19 kados hi FrancoisL 09:19 kados :-) 09:19 FrancoisL I agree, but 1-I'll be in Grenoble for a congress 2- 11pm is much too late for me :( 09:19 paul the date will change, for sure. 09:19 kados yep 09:19 kados what time can you make it FrancoisL ? 09:20 FrancoisL OK so I'll make an effort. Kados: any time before 10pm local time I can manage... 09:20 FrancoisL I'll talk to the wife :) 09:20 kados ok ;-) 09:20 paul (we are GMT+2 joshua) 09:21 FrancoisL (we are you+6 joshua) 09:21 kados right ;-) 09:22 FrancoisL Moday is a no-no for me as I teach in an architecture school (5 hours without pause...) 09:22 FrancoisL s/Moday/Monday 09:22 kados Thur 16? Fri 17? 09:23 paul thur16 ok, but not before 9PM GMT 09:23 kados Tue 21? 09:23 FrancoisL Nope : I'll be in Grenoble (16-20th) 09:23 kados so it looks like Tue 21 09:23 FrancoisL ..and so well be Paul :) 09:23 kados for Paul and FrancoisL 09:23 FrancoisL OK for Tue 21. What time ? 09:27 kados FrancoisL: http://tinyurl.com/8mbfc 09:42 slef kados: finding email. 09:44 slef kados: all look possible. 09:45 kados slef: great ... thanks! 09:51 owen Bug Squashing this morning? 09:56 slef http://raw-output.org/20050614/how-to-drive-your-translators-insane 10:00 kados BugSquashing Session 10:01 kados hi everyone 10:01 kados who's here? 10:01 kados owen and slef I know 10:01 kados paul still with us? 10:01 kados hdl? 10:01 kados here's the list of bugs: 10:01 kados http://tinyurl.com/as66z 10:02 owen Where do you want to start? 10:03 kados well last time we did the '900s' 10:03 kados but I think pauls method is better 10:03 kados start with the ones that are higher priority 10:03 kados I have 893 listed first 10:03 owen You mean by severity? 10:03 kados yep 10:03 kados http://tinyurl.com/as66z 10:04 kados does that link not auto-sort for you by severity? 10:04 kados slef joining us? 10:04 owen Yes 10:04 owen It does 10:04 kados cool 10:04 kados paul joining us? 10:04 paul (on phone) 10:04 kados it won't be much of a bug squashing session with owen and I ;-) 10:05 paul (was on phone with francois L. it's done now) 10:06 kados sweet ... ok ... I guess that makes quorum 10:06 kados so 10:06 kados http://tinyurl.com/as66z 10:06 kados list of bugs 10:06 slef also, tinyurl.com links aren't obvious what they are 10:07 slef so I mostly ignore them 10:07 kados true 10:07 owen slef, aren't we among friends here? Couldn't you give kados the benefit of the doubt? 10:07 kados maybe I'll annotate them from now on 10:07 kados anyway ... 10:07 kados we've got 66 bugs 10:07 kados bug 893: Can't get past biblio info page in simple acquisitions 10:07 slef owen, it was a quick glance at scrollback once I got back online. 10:08 owen I don't see bug 893 happening for us... Can anyone duplicate it? 10:08 paul i think it's a MARC=OFF problem 10:08 slef 893 is marked Windows 2000 10:08 paul so, it's for chris ;-) 10:09 owen Oh, right. I see 10:09 slef I guess we need info from the server log. 10:09 owen She said 'simple acquisitions,' so I assumed she meant acqui.simple 10:09 slef paul: has anyone got a MARC=OFF system to hand? 10:09 slef erm, not sure why that said paul:, sorry 10:09 paul in new zealand, yes. 10:10 kados so I'll try to get more info from chris on this one 10:11 kados 857 is assigned to paul 10:11 kados paul: is that still right? 10:11 paul yes 10:11 kados ok ... 10:11 paul I think i've a simple solution to fix it. 10:12 paul i'll let the url field with http://site1.com|http://site2.org 10:12 paul and split in opac-detail to have correct URLs 10:12 paul so, now you can expect a fix in 2.2.4 10:12 kados ok cool 10:12 kados (can't make it for 2.2.3?) 10:12 paul no, because 2.2.3 is for friday on monday ;-) 10:13 kados ok ;-) 10:13 kados bug 472: It should not be possible to delete an item which is on issu 10:13 paul it's ready, translation to french is OK, i'll install a french library in 2 hours for RC tests 10:13 paul nothing to add, it's a bug to fix ;-) 10:13 kados and assigned to paul 10:14 paul yep. I'll take care of it... (nervous smiling, gun in hand...) 10:14 kados hehe 10:14 slef bugs.koha.org just went dead on me for a minute, sorry for being quiet 10:14 kados Bug 670: "Waiting" status often inaccurate 10:15 paul owen ? 10:15 owen Yes? 10:15 paul 670 is yours ;-) 10:16 paul should we let this bug open ? or close it ? 10:16 kados owen: do you consider it fixed? 10:16 owen I think there's one last major place where this bug needs work: Circulation 10:16 owen We need to get information into the circ template about holding branch versus pickup location 10:16 kados who was responsible for the fixes on the opac (does anyone know?) 10:18 owen I made some changes in some places...not sure if I worked on the opac or not 10:18 kados owen: do you want to investigate further? 10:18 paul + working on .pm will impact opac as well as librarian interface. 10:18 owen I'm at the limit of my abilities with circulation.pl 10:18 owen I need someone else to take a look 10:19 kados ok ... I'll assign it to myself 10:19 kados Bug 915: opac-MARCdetail.pl incorrectly shows request status 10:20 paul owen, is it fixed ? 10:20 owen Not the last time I checked, but let me look again 10:21 kados ok ... in the meantime 10:21 kados 984: Bug in installer appears to not correctly escape password 10:22 kados slef: your bug right? 10:23 slef yes 10:23 kados Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions 10:23 slef I think that's a fix, but 10:23 slef oh, never mind then :-/ 10:23 kados ;-) 10:23 kados so is it fixed? 10:24 kados sorry, I thought maybe you were still working on it 10:24 owen Bug 915 is not fixed 10:24 slef I think that's a fix and committed to HEAD, but not 2.2 and submitter seems to have died. 10:24 kados submitter? 10:25 slef Cory, who reported the problem. 10:25 kados right 10:25 kados ok ... (thought you were talking about submitter software ;-)) 10:25 slef paul: can you consider that for 2.2? 10:25 kados (and hopefully Cory's not dead ;-)) 10:25 paul yes, i'll give a try. 10:26 kados great ... 10:26 kados paul look at 915 too? 10:26 paul yes 10:26 kados Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions 10:27 slef kados: why are you jumping around the bug list? 10:27 owen yeah, that's skipping ahead I think 10:27 kados hum 10:27 slef not just this one, but lots 10:27 paul not skipping for me. 10:27 kados not for me either 10:27 paul bugs ordered by severity 10:28 paul bug 834 : there is an online help, should be enough imho 10:28 kados ok ... so we close it with a pointer to the online help? 10:28 owen I think the normal bugs aren't getting sorted consistently, that's all. 10:29 owen kados, you lead us through the list 10:29 kados ahh ... probably not ... good point 10:29 kados ok 10:29 paul that's my opinion, we can close 834 10:29 kados ok ... go ahead and close it but include a note about online help 10:29 paul you do ? 10:30 kados no 10:30 paul I do ? 10:30 kados yes (if that's ok) 10:30 paul done 10:30 kados ok ... next on my list is 10:31 kados 857: Cannot link to multiple web site addresses from 856 tag 10:31 paul already done ;-) 10:31 kados (I reloaded my page and now everything's ordered differently) 10:31 kados sorry 10:31 kados :-) 10:31 owen Thanks, Bugzilla! :) 10:31 paul pffff... not fun... 10:31 kados 856: subscription renewal changes the start date in OPAC 10:32 paul it's fixed (2 days ago) 10:32 kados great ... please close it 10:32 paul done 10:32 paul (& you proofread the page) 10:32 kados (I will) 10:32 paul (no, you already proofread the opac page) 10:32 kados 878: updatedatabase breaks parameters (author and title searches 10:33 kados (oh ... yes I remember now) ;-) 10:33 paul fixed. 10:34 paul if I don't mind. 10:34 kados right ... go ahead and close it 10:34 kados 885:; Non-ISO8859-1 charset support broken in CSS theme in 2.2 10:35 paul bugs.koha.org off... 10:35 slef sounds interesting to me, but bko just gone off again 10:35 kados yep I notice it too 10:35 paul up again... 10:36 slef anyone up for replacing bko for 2.4? ;-) 10:36 paul 858 requireds a lot of work. 10:36 paul the best solution being to really move to utf-8 10:36 kados bko? 10:36 paul bugs.koha.org 10:36 owen bugs.koha.org 10:36 kados I agree ... utf-8 is probably the best way to go 10:37 kados slef: what do you propose? 10:37 paul (on phone) 10:37 owen Would an upgrade improve things? 10:37 slef kados: give me 5 or 10 minutes at end of bugsquash? (or next time it goes offline) 10:37 kados sounds good 10:37 kados so 858 ... 10:37 slef How do we go utf-8? 10:38 kados no idea ... :-) 10:38 kados my knowledge of charsets is pretty poor 10:38 kados Encode is one way I've done it in the past 10:38 slef I guess we add the http-equiv and I make the next installer set the headers in koha-httpd.conf 10:38 owen Wouldn't the same bug require utf-8 in the database? 10:39 owen Is the bug complaining about the templates, or the database, or both? 10:39 slef yes. I guess paul will have an opinion about that 10:39 kados slef: have you ever used Template::Toolkit? 10:39 slef bug is complaining about templates afaict? 10:39 paul (on phone) 10:39 kados paul: we'll wait for you 10:39 slef kados: Probably. Don't know. 10:39 kados let's move on to 849: Error when generating barcodes 10:39 kados till paul gets back 10:40 owen Hmmm... I haven't tried that in quite a while 10:40 owen No idea if it's still current 10:40 kados I must admit I've never tried to print barcodes 10:40 owen Anyone else playing around with barcodes? 10:41 kados i can look into it 10:41 kados It's something I should know anyway 10:41 kados 926Many form tags lack method and/or action attributes 10:41 owen We talked about that one last time. 10:41 kados right 10:41 owen Isn't it assigned to me now? 10:42 kados I think so 10:42 kados bugzilla down it seeems ;-) 10:42 kados actually, it might be NZ bandwidth issue too 10:42 paul back 10:42 kados great ... so back to 858 then 10:42 slef sorry, I just got a call on a line I thought I'd switched off 10:43 paul utf-8 is a 3 way plan i think : 10:43 paul * utf-8 templates 10:43 paul * utf-8 datas 10:43 paul * utf-8 translations 10:43 paul moving templates to utf-8 requires use of a tool like html tidy if i don't mind. 10:44 owen utf-8 datas is the biggest question mark isn't it? 10:44 paul plus some manual changes 10:44 kados paul: have you used Template::Toolkit? 10:44 paul No kados. utf-8 datas means, I think : dumping datas, changing mySQL & reloading datas 10:44 kados right 10:44 paul for translation, it's not clear. 10:44 paul anyway, it's not a 2.2.x task. 10:44 kados but we still need to figure a way to have utf-8 for templates 10:45 kados in addition to data 10:45 kados in fact, it might be possible to "pretend" we have utf-8 in the data 10:45 kados by using an encode when we pull data out 10:45 kados so maybe this bug is really a feature request? 10:46 kados (or at least it suggests a feature request) 10:46 slef or maybe it's a WONTFIX until 2.4? 10:46 kados right ... 10:46 paul maybe we can have a solution to fix it without everything in utf-8 10:46 kados so there's a discussion I'll have to schedule on encoding 10:47 paul i think we need acli opinion. 10:47 kados acli? 10:47 owen The bug reporter 10:47 kados right 10:47 kados ok ... so slef would you look into this one? 10:47 slef either way, that's more than one bug 10:47 paul acli is also tmpl_process3 author (the tool for translations) 10:48 slef kados: yes. 10:48 paul we have to investigate correctly this question, because iso2709 char encoding is poor for instance 10:48 kados ok ... go ahead and assign it to yourself 10:48 paul (awful in fact ;-) ) 10:48 kados yes! 10:48 slef iso2709 = marc? 10:48 kados it's really abd 10:48 kados bad even 10:48 slef paul: Is that OK with you? 10:48 paul iso2709 is the technical form of a MARC file. 10:48 paul it's OK. 10:49 kados ok ... shall we move on? 10:49 paul ok for me 10:49 kados I can write an email to the list about encoding issues later today 10:49 kados 247: we should split city and state in borrower info 10:49 paul nice. 10:49 kados is this fixed? 10:49 owen 247 is really part of a larger overhaul of the borrower database 10:50 kados ok ... so it's still a prob 10:50 kados owen: can we link 247 with other bugs? 10:50 owen Paul weren't you interested in changing the way the borrower's table looked? 10:50 paul it's not a bug for frenchies ;-) 10:50 paul right owen. 10:50 paul I think we need to clarify borrowers table 10:50 owen paul: right, but it's a larger issue in terms of i8n 10:50 paul because fields names are not clear. 10:51 kados so ... another discussion on koha-devel it sounds like eh? 10:51 paul yep. 10:51 kados I'll start that one tomorrow ;-) 10:51 paul just 1 example : 10:51 owen Well, kados, it's something to tackle along with NCIP 10:51 kados 871: Rename OPAC CSS template 'default' 10:51 kados owen: right ... I'll talk to Art about it 10:52 paul Art ? 10:52 owen If we're going to have a new default template for 2.4, then 871 is moot 10:52 paul right. 10:52 paul so "wontfix" ? 10:52 owen But right now the default opac template is unusable 10:52 kados why's that? 10:52 paul yes, I should remove it from official releases. 10:53 kados right ... 10:53 kados also: remove sample data from official release paul 10:53 kados the sample data is for 1.2 Koha 10:53 paul that's done since 2.2.1 iirc 10:53 kados ok ... just checking 10:53 owen Have we replaced it with something? 10:53 kados paul: change 871 to WONTFIX ? 10:54 paul no owen & that's a shame I agree. 10:54 paul if someone has a sample & working MARC21 english DB, let me know ! 10:54 kados I could contribute some data I think (maybe in time for 2.2.3) 10:54 kados ok ... 10:54 paul put it in misc/sql-datas/english 10:55 kados 612: Renewal failure gives no feedback 10:55 paul & the user can upload it. 10:55 kados paul: ok 10:56 kados paul: did you already fix 612? 10:56 paul no (reading it) 10:57 paul no, i did nothing on this. 10:58 kados is it interesting to you? 10:58 owen I'm wavering on whether this is still relevant 10:58 owen We've managed to get the renewal checkboxes not to appear in the templates 10:58 paul quite a complex one to re-play. 10:59 paul ;-) 10:59 kados ok ... does that mean you'd like to fix it if it's a bug? 10:59 kados s/like to//; 10:59 paul if nobody else want it yes :-( 10:59 kados I'm actually pretty familiar with that code 11:00 kados so I can take it on (leave other stuff for you to take ) ;-) 11:00 kados right 11:00 kados 892: data in a closed order appear differently than data before c 11:01 paul i'll take care of it. 11:01 kados ok 11:01 kados 585: Using 'document.forms[0]' notation prevents use of other for 11:01 kados owen: could you take 585? 11:02 paul not a fixable bug, but some coding rules. 11:02 slef owen reported it ;) 11:02 kados 753: Apostrophes and commas cause marc_word search to fail 11:02 paul that are not respected (i'm a dummy in html, I agree) 11:02 kados 753 is fixed right? 11:02 paul I think 11:02 kados I know it is 11:03 slef ideally, javascript needs to be removed, but it's not a 2.2 option, is it? 11:03 paul you change it fixed ? 11:03 slef Is non-javascript browser support in the 2.4 roadmap? 11:03 kados yep 11:03 kados (to paul) 11:03 owen I don't think removing javascript is an option period. 11:04 slef If you want a fat client, that shouldn't be the web browser. 11:04 kados slef: non-javascript support is definitely important for 2.4 11:04 kados imo 11:04 kados but I also think use of javascript is a 'good thing' 11:04 kados for browsers that support it 11:05 slef as helpers, perhaps 11:05 kados even for major functions as long as there are other ways to perform the functions 11:05 kados but that's a topic for another discussion 11:05 owen I agree 11:06 kados owen can you handle 585 (either close it if there's nothing to fix and alert Stephen to include that recommendation in coding guideelines)? 11:06 owen Yes 11:06 kados I'll skip 950 ... paul still working on that I asume 11:06 kados 717: Quotes in MARC subfield cause blank line in addbiblio.tmpl 11:07 kados anyone know if this is still a problem? 11:07 paul about 950 : i'm waiting for owen answer 11:07 owen Uh oh... :) 11:08 paul 717 : dunno 11:08 kados I'll assign it to me and I'll find out 11:08 owen One thing about 717 11:08 kados I'll skip 992 (I'm still working on it) 11:08 kados owen: ok 11:08 owen We've got a problem with #'s 11:09 kados ok ... can you add it to the description? 11:09 owen Sure. 11:09 kados 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions 11:09 kados sorry ... we've done that one right? 11:10 paul already done 1 hour later 11:10 kados 844: renewstatus subroutine should check for reserves 11:10 kados paul: do you like the fix? 11:10 kados paul: or should it be customizable? 11:11 paul it's ok for me 11:11 kados ok ... I'll skip 975 11:11 kados 782: Admin interface must not require javascript 11:12 kados owen: can you handle 782? 11:12 owen that's part of our larger javascript question, I think 11:12 owen I'm still on the fence, despite my comments there 11:13 kados ok ... so I'll put that on the list then for discussion on koha-devel 11:13 kados 868: OPAC MARC view doesn't appear in IE6 11:14 paul i'm working on this 11:14 kados ok ... 11:14 kados 879: bugs on OPAC 11:14 paul (unless owen want to fix it...) 11:14 kados I'm assuming operator error here 11:14 kados and I'm closing it out 11:14 owen Paul, I can take a look 11:14 slef kados: close as worksforme? 11:14 paul ok, thanks. I'm not so good in css... 11:14 kados slef: yep 11:15 kados 452: Payment due flags not showing up for children 11:15 kados owen: so I'll assign 868 to you 11:16 kados owen: ahh ... already done 11:16 kados right 11:17 kados ok ... let's start that then 11:17 kados slef have a proposal? 11:17 slef Is this discussing bugs.koha.org? 11:17 kados yep 11:17 slef 452 looks like an enhancement, by the way 11:18 kados slef: can you mark it thus 11:18 slef paul: how long are you there for? 11:18 paul i have to leave in 5-10 mn 11:19 slef Basically, bugs.koha.org showed us some of its weak spots today. 11:19 kados because 11:19 slef There are also security updates out for its version of bugzilla. 11:19 kados 1. timeouts (or general processing slowness) 11:19 kados 2. limits for sorting 11:19 slef and a whole later minor version is out too (2.16.x) if I understand it correctly 11:20 kados ok ... so should we bug katipo to upgrade? 11:20 kados (it's probably just running whatever woody's got) 11:20 slef There's a couple of other things which irritate with bugzilla: registrations to submit bugs; inability to send email commands 11:20 kados (so updating would require pinning, etc.) 11:20 slef kados: depends if they're planning to move to sarge soon 11:21 kados has anyone played with the sourceforge bug reporting system? 11:21 paul sarge is out ? 11:21 paul :-D 11:21 slef paul: since 8 days 11:21 paul was a joke. Even martians know this ;-) 11:21 slef kados: yes. Normal sourceforge problems 11:21 kados right ... 11:21 paul like slowness... 11:21 kados just thought I'd throw it in the mix 11:22 slef kados: it works and probably is less of a single-failure-point than bugs.koha.org right now, but on the whole, I'd prefer to stay at katipo 11:22 kados right 11:22 slef do we ask katipo to upgrade bugzilla, or do we look to move to a competitor for 2.3/2.4 and just use bugzilla for 2.2? 11:23 slef is bugzilla mostly doing what you want and it's just me? 11:23 kados hmmm ... 11:23 kados well since this is pretty much the largest dev project I'm involved with 11:23 slef (My attempt to get routine buglists out of bugzilla didn't work, as you can probably tell by the lack of them ;-) ) 11:23 paul i'll have to leave now. 11:23 kados I'm not really clear on the options 11:23 paul unless there's a critical bug to see immediatly 11:24 kados paul: ok ... thanks! 11:24 slef paul: thanks 11:24 kados paul: nope ... we'll get the rest next time 11:24 kados paul: :-) 11:24 paul you're welcome. Read you soon 11:24 kados slef: so what are our options for bug reporting systems these days? 11:24 kados I seem to recall that the one bug I reported for Fedora was running on a nice reporting system 11:25 kados I guess they've got bugzilla too 11:25 slef kados: bugzilla, sourceforge, http://www.mantisbt.org/ (but that's python), http://www.bestpractice.com/rt/ http://www.agstools.com/bugtrack/ 11:25 slef Did you have to register to report the bug in Fedora? 11:26 kados yep 11:26 kados that bestpractice link isn't working for me 11:27 slef I think that puts people off. I don't really understand why bugzilla does that, apart from maybe spamming. 11:27 slef sorry 11:27 slef http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/ 11:27 slef was typing from memory 11:27 kados yep 11:27 kados shoot .. phone brb 11:29 slef well, owen isn't returning anyway... 11:30 slef ...I guess I'll move this to koha-devel. 11:30 kados sounds good 11:30 kados thx