Time  Nick      Message
13:33 paul_away kados, are you around ?
13:54 kados     paul: paul yes
13:54 paul      i'm trying to insert my iso2709 into zebra
13:55 kados     great!
13:55 paul      but can't find how to configure zebra.cfg
13:55 paul      not great ;-)
13:55 paul      could you explain how you do this ?
13:55 kados     (phone call):-/
13:55 paul      I may write a small SearchZebra.pm package for some tests if I succeed
13:56 paul      ok, i'll wait.
13:56 paul      (don't be too long, it's 9PM in France ;-) )
13:57 kados     back
13:58 kados     hmmm ... so here's how I did it
13:58 kados     after install you should have a test directory
13:58 kados     go to test/usmarc
13:58 paul      right.
13:58 kados     run ./test.pl
13:58 kados     test.pl look in 'records' directory
13:58 paul      test.sh
13:58 paul      you mean
13:58 kados     right
13:59 paul      that's here :
13:59 paul      recordType: grs.marc.usmarc
13:59 paul      i think.
14:01 kados     if you put an iso2709 file in records directory
14:01 paul      indexing EMN...
14:01 kados     it will index it (I hope)
14:01 paul      it's on the way ;-)
14:02 kados     good ... then it will automatically start a Z39.50 server
14:02 paul      mmm...
14:02 kados     (should take about 3 minutes)
14:02 paul      21:01:42-13/06 zebraidx(12685) [log] zebra_end_trans
14:02 paul      Aborted
14:02 kados     ahh ... probably because it's unimarc
14:02 kados     :-(
14:02 kados     k
14:06 paul      http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=330&part=rss&tag=feed&subj=zdblog
14:06 paul      just for smiling
14:08 paul      http://indexdata.dk/pipermail/zebralist/2003-April/000203.html is the answer to our question
14:10 kados     nice!
14:10 paul      except that i get a
14:10 paul      Search was a bloomin' failure.
14:10 paul      in yaz-client :-(
14:10 paul      still investigating
14:10 paul          [121] Unsupported Attribute Set -- v2 addinfo 'Bib-1'
14:12 kados     hmmm ...
14:12 kados     maybe you need a unimarc.abs?
14:41 paul      kados ?
14:41 paul      could you pls write a sample of a search on title
14:41 paul      i try
14:41 paul      find @attr 1=4 jauge
14:41 paul      should have 1 answer (& only 1)
14:41 paul      but get none
14:42 paul      trying find title=jauge returns nothing either
15:09 kados     paul: give me the server IP
15:09 paul      opening firewall...
15:09 kados     paul: I'll add it to the liblime z39.50 client
15:10 paul      note it will be a sometimes-up server...
15:10 paul      bureau.paulpoulain.com port 2100 as usual
15:11 kados     paul: are you sure it's not port 9999?
15:11 paul      should be up
15:11 paul      zebrasrv -v 10 @:2100
15:11 kados     ok
15:11 paul      so should be on 2100 isn't it ?
15:11 paul      try a query with title containg "jauge"
15:11 paul      only 1 answer expected
15:11 paul      or author=bellac
15:12 paul      will return 4 results
15:12 kados     paul: http://liblime.com/zap/advanced.html
15:12 kados     seems unavailable
15:13 paul      mmm... strange.... firewall open
15:13 paul      (on port 2100 only)
15:14 kados     I tried 2100 ...
15:15 paul      iirc you added "VOYAGER" somewhere
15:15 paul      i didn't do such thing
15:15 kados     I used 'default' which is Zebra's default database
15:16 kados     (unless you have different database listed in zebra.cfg
15:16 paul      anyway, no log in my zebrasrv console
15:16 kados     right
15:16 paul      i've only :
15:16 paul      profilePath: .
15:16 paul      attset: bib1.att
15:16 paul      attset: explain.att
15:16 paul      recordType: grs.marc.unimarc
15:16 paul      lockDir: lock
15:16 kados     bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100
15:16 kados     right?
15:16 paul      setTmpDir: tmp
15:16 paul      keyTmpDir: tmp
15:16 paul      memMax: 4
15:16 kados     yea ... all of that is right
15:17 paul      yes, it's bureau.paulpoulain.com:2100
15:17 kados     let's try by IP address
15:18 paul      why do I get poul-poulain in
15:18 paul      poul-poulain: unavailable
15:18 kados     still not working
15:18 paul      it's not poul but paul.
15:19 kados     ahh ... typeo
15:19 kados     yes it should
15:19 paul      should change something ?
15:19 kados     yep
15:19 kados     now we get 'no hits' ;-)
15:19 kados     you have a log?
15:20 paul      yes
15:20 paul      a long (launched with v 10 ;-) )
15:20 kados     strange ... unavailable again
15:20 kados     ok .. back up ;-)
15:20 paul      i see new logs
15:20 kados     still 'no hits'
15:21 paul      i promise i havent done anything.
15:21 kados     what is a keyword?
15:21 kados     (maybe network timeout)
15:21 kados     bellac?
15:21 kados     no hits for it
15:21 paul      a keyword you mean a subject ?
15:21 kados     sure
15:21 paul      theorie should be a subject
15:21 kados     anything really
15:22 paul      http://127.0.0.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/search.marc/search.pl?type=intranet
15:22 kados     not finding anything it seems
15:22 paul      with login test / test as usual. will give you usual Koha interface.
15:22 kados     ok ... I'll log into my machine ;-)
15:23 paul      & then go to bed ;-)
15:23 kados     good idea
15:23 kados      ;-)
15:24 kados     hi David
15:24 kados     need some help?
15:24 David     yes please!
15:25 David     I'm at the right place I take it?
15:25 paul      for sure !
15:25 kados     yep ;-)
15:25 David     Having problems with Koha 2.2 on Windows XP
15:25 paul      & you are speaking with previous & actual release manager !
15:25 kados     hehe
15:25 David     Getting a Premature end of script headers: isbnsearch.pl error when entering data
15:26 kados     any mesages above that?
15:26 kados     (that's just about as generic as error messages get ;-))
15:26 paul      you mean you have 2.2.2b ?
15:26 David     It says 'The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your
15:26 David      request.
15:26 kados     there should be some complaints on the lines above that line
15:26 kados     how about above that?
15:27 kados     script names, line numbers ... all helpful
15:27 David     Apache logs say 'Can"t use an undefined value as a HASH reference at c:/usr/koha222/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm line 255'
15:28 paul      just enter an empty word
15:28 paul      in Koha >> parameters >> empty word
15:28 kados     aha! that's the problem
15:28 paul      should REALLY be in bold & everywhere...
15:28 paul      as this question is asked almost once a week.
15:28 paul      (not your fault but our...)
15:29 David     Sorry - I'm not actually on the PC Koha is installed on - it's at work and I'm at home at the moment!
15:29 paul      no prob, but 99% sure it's the origin of your problem ;-)
15:30 David     Just explain - what do you mean by just enter an empty word?
15:30 paul      the, a, an, in...
15:30 paul      are empty words in english
15:30 paul      le, la, une, ... are empty words in french
15:31 owen      stop words
15:31 owen       /cgi-bin/koha/admin/stopwords.pl
15:31 paul      oups, sorry, in french, it's "empty" words.
15:32 David     how does that relate to the error?
15:32 paul      us ppl should light on TV...
15:32 kados     David: they're called 'stop words' in English
15:32 paul      if they care about M. Jackson suing...
15:32 kados     ahh ... owen caught it already
15:32 kados     ;-)
15:33 paul      david : if you don't have a stopword, then Koha bugs.
15:33 David     ok - i'll give it a go when i get to work!
15:33 paul      because the stopword hash structure contains nothing (different from "" in Perl)
15:36 David     Thanks for the help. Maybe it will all become clear when I try it on the PC in 1/2 hr or so. I'll report back then. Thanks!
15:37 paul      you're welcome.I'll be in bed anyway ;-)
15:38 kados     paul: how many records are in the database?
15:38 paul      13000
15:38 kados     thanks ... writing an email to the list now
15:38 kados     about Zebra
15:39 paul      writing a mail to zebra list & going to bed
15:39 kados     cool ... have a good sleep
15:57 kados     paul_bed: Sebastial responded already ;-)
15:57 kados     paul_bed: Sebastian even ;-)
16:07 kados     chris around?
16:47 sanspach  I searched logs and bugs but didn't see anything: has there been talk of isbn-13/ean ?
16:51 kados     hey sanspach
16:51 kados     what about isbn-13/ean?
16:51 kados     (is that different that isbn?)
16:52 sanspach  the isbn is moving to 13 digits and will now conform to standard for EAN
16:52 kados     ahh ... no we haven't addressed any potential issues with that on koha-devel
16:52 kados     might be good to bring it up
16:52 kados     can you do that?
16:53 sanspach  I was poking around for checkdigit (I want to do a different checkdigit algorithm)
16:53 sanspach  and noticed ISBN for 10-digits
16:53 sanspach  already have code for 13 digits/EAN as well as conversion
16:53 sanspach  I'll try to write something
16:54 sanspach  probably should make two different suggestions, though
16:55 kados     cool
16:55 kados     thanks!
16:57 owen      When the question of isbn-13 was brough up on the Koha list on 3/28/2005, the response from Stephen was "the ISBN field can actually store 14 characters."
16:57 owen      Currently Koha doesn't have any built-in ISBN checks
16:57 sanspach  there are indications that anyone programming for 13 should go ahead for 14
16:58 sanspach  but then there's the question of what to do with that extra character in the meantime
16:58 sanspach  the isbn check subroutine isn't used?  (I'm very new to Koha)
17:00 owen      No
17:02 sanspach  ah, thus bug 906 requesting that there be a check (duh!)
17:21 kados     chris around?
17:21 rach      hello
17:21 kados     hey rach
17:21 kados     sorry about the bugsquashing session time ;-)
17:21 rach      :-)
17:22 kados     it's the only time I could get paul, slef, hdl, and genji to commit to
17:22 kados     I hope the Search Meeting suggested time is better
17:23 rach      but I've put in a couple of bug reports over the last week
17:23 kados     yep ... saw those
17:26 rach      There is a bit of a disconnect I think around acquisitions because the major developers/their libraries don't actually use that module
17:26 kados     yea ... NPL doesn't use it at all
17:26 rach      but I figure I should notify the things I think are bugs so that someone can scream if they don't think they are :-)
17:26 kados     so I'm not really familiar with the issues
17:27 kados     yep ... I suspect paul will be glad to optionize areas where libraries disagree
17:28 kados     the Zebra Searching email is pretty important rach
17:28 rach      I don't think any of pauls clients use acquisitions either - but if they do, then I'm keen to hear wether the problems that I think oculd arrise is actually do in real life
17:28 kados     (just in cause you thought maybe it was just a techie thing)
17:28 kados     if we go with Zebra we'll have to seriously look at what to do with non-MARC libraries
17:30 rach      yep
17:32 rach      idiot question perhaps but why? I thought (so I must be wrong on this) that non-marc libraries basically are just choosing not to see the Marc? But that the fields etc can still be linked up? or is that not right?
17:32 kados     yea they can be
17:32 rach      I thought they were by default?
17:33 kados     but that may not be the best way to approach zebra
17:33 kados     not sure as i don't have a non-marc koha installed anywhere
17:33 rach      because even the people who don't want to see marc, still want to be able to export their data as marc in the future etc - I might be off base on that, or we may not have gone where I had in mind
17:34 rach      but my thought/intention with MARC being on or off was that it should be largely just a matter of templates
17:34 kados     yep ... though I'm not sure if that's the case
17:34 kados     chris should know
17:35 rach      you can turn marc off and on in a library fairly happily :-)
17:35 rach      but yep the reality may not live up to my ideal :-)
17:35 kados     hehe ... true
17:42 rach      chris isn't in today unfortunatly
17:51 rach      joshua are yo a list admin for the koha-devl list?
17:57 kados     yea I can be
17:57 kados     need something done?
02:35 paul      someone testing ZAP! with paul-poulain at the moment ?
02:54 paul      salut francoisl
02:54 paul      je suis en train de rédiger un mail pour la liste infos.
02:55 paul      marqué [important]...
04:28 David     Paul: Thanks very much for the help this morning (my time). The problem was with the 'Stop words' being empty. Never would have found that myself!
04:28 paul      right.
04:28 paul      that's why we really should write it somewhere...
04:28 paul      no, everywhere...
04:29 David     Yes - it certainly would help!
04:29 paul      have a good night if i don't mind ;-)
04:29 paul      (almost lunch time for me)
04:29 David     9.30pm here (New Zealand) - where are you?
04:30 paul      in France
04:32 David     I've never been on this IRC channel before and only just tried using Koha, so it's the first time I've chatted with Paul
04:33 David     My partner is getting suspious - me chatting online and all (he he...)
04:33 David     I'd better go!
04:33 paul      i have to go too
04:33 David     Thanks again
06:02 kados     paul: looks like you got your records indexed. congrats!
06:04 kados     paul: also, note that I'm getting some hits from the Zap client
06:04 kados     but the records aren't being displayed
06:11 paul      kados : 'morning.
06:11 kados     hi paul
06:13 paul      how do you do to retrieve records.
06:13 paul      because I see then in yaz-client
06:13 paul      s/then/them/
06:14 paul      Z> format xml
06:14 paul      Z> show 1
06:14 paul      Sent presentRequest (1+1).
06:14 paul      Records: 1
06:14 paul      [Default]Record type: XML
06:14 paul      <unimarc><001>8058</001><010><  ><a>2222040264</a></  ></010><090><  ><9>7591</9><a>7591</a></  ></090><101><  ><a>fre</a></  ></101><200><1 ><a>Des ph\XE9nom\XE8nes critiques aux champs de jauge</a><e>une introduction aux m\XE9thodes at aux applications de la th\XE9orie quantique des champs</e><f>LE BELLAC, M</f></1 ></200><210><  ><5>CNRS Editions</5><a>Paris</a><c>CNRS Editions</c><d>1988</d></  ></210><215><  ><a>369 p</a><d>25 cm</d></  ></215><225><
06:14 paul      Savoirs actuels</a></  ></225><410><  ><t>Savoirs actuels</t></  ></410><606><  ><9>3419</9><a>NUCLEAIRE</a></  ></606><606><  ><9>4229</9><a>PHYSIQUE NUCLEAIRE</a></  ></606><606><  ><9>5457</9><a>PHASE DE TRANSITION</a></  ></606><606><  ><9>4920</9><a>THEORIE DES CHAMPS</a></  ></606><606><  ><9>4689</9><a>RENORMALISATION</a></  ></606><686><  ><a>LIVR</a></  ></686><700><  ><9>8520</9><a>LE BELLAC, Michel</a></  ></700><990><  ><a>N 8
06:14 paul      BEL</a><e>Nucl\XE9aire (Orange)</e></  ></990><995><  ><9>10795</9><b>CDI</b><c>CDI</c><e>SL</e><f>INVENTAIRE 6 FAIT LE 29.07.03</f><j>012676</j><k>N 8 BEL</k><o>0</o><u>&lt;b&gt;OUVRAGE RECHERCHE&lt;/b&gt;</u></  ></995>
06:14 paul       <idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/">
06:14 paul          <size>841</size>
06:14 paul          <localnumber>7598</localnumber>
06:14 paul          <filename>catalogue/EMN.iso2709</filename>
06:14 paul        </idzebra>
06:14 paul      </unimarc>
06:14 paul      which is correct.
06:14 paul      do you know how to retrieve iso2709 files ?
06:15 kados     sure ...
06:15 kados     there are two stages to a z39.50 request
06:15 kados     search
06:15 kados     present
06:16 paul      the "show 1" you mean ?
06:16 paul      (in yaz-client)
06:16 kados     yes
06:16 paul      I tried : format usmarc
06:16 paul      show 1
06:16 kados     except that you can 'show 1-50'
06:16 paul      and got :
06:16 paul      Z> format usmarc
06:16 paul      Z> show 1
06:16 paul      Sent presentRequest (1+1).
06:16 paul      Records: 1
06:16 paul      [Default]Diagnostic message(s) from database:
06:16 paul          [238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo ''
06:16 paul      nextResultSetPosition = 2
06:16 paul      Elapsed: 0.000816
06:17 kados     ahh ... yes ...
06:17 paul      any idea welcomed
06:17 kados     http://liblime.com/zap/try.html
06:17 kados     put your server:port/database (default is fine)
06:18 paul      works fine, except in usmarc format :-(
06:18 kados     right
06:18 kados     well remember that zebra
06:19 kados     relies on the data as a file
06:19 kados     and retrieves it that way
06:19 paul      ???
06:19 kados     zebra creates its own index
06:19 kados     but still retrieves the records from the file
06:20 kados     (you can have zebra store internally the data but not by default)
06:21 paul      and then ?
06:21 kados     http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/locating-records.tkl
06:21 paul      (is there something related to the show format ?
06:21 kados     maybe ...
06:24 kados     http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/protocol-support.tkl
06:25 kados     http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/doc/formats.tkl
06:25 kados     this last one maybe
06:26 kados     we may need to setup a .map schema ... but not sure
07:23 paul      kados : got it !
07:24 paul      strange...
07:24 paul      works fine in explicit usmarc format in try.html
07:25 paul      but still wrong in advanced.html
07:27 paul      in try.html, the following display are OK : SUTRS, USMARC, XML
07:27 paul      the other display are empty : GRS-1, danmarc, HTML
07:28 paul      kados, do you want that I commit some of my files into CVS ?
07:38 kados     sure
07:38 paul      any idea on try.html working & not advanced.html ?
07:38 kados     even better would be a README for how to setup Zebra with a Koha catalog eh?
07:38 paul      ;-)
07:38 kados     it's very strange
07:39 paul      tomorrow, i'll try to share some SearchMarcZebra.pm package.
07:39 kados     paul: one important thing to consider is switching to utf-8
07:39 kados     paul: that'd be great!
07:39 paul      for sure !
07:39 paul      I begin to understand how zebra config files works. should not be too hard.
07:40 paul      1- query zebra
07:40 paul      2- retrieve records
07:40 paul      3- find biblionumber
07:40 paul      4- do as usual.
07:40 kados     yes ... perfect for a test case
07:40 kados     but eventually I think we should do:
07:40 kados     1- query zebra
07:40 kados     2- retrieve records
07:40 paul      will be a P.O.C., as it's silly to retrieve records then retrieve them again in Koha ;-)
07:41 kados     3- display to user
07:41 kados     right ;-)
07:41 kados     the only thing MARC doens't have is status info
07:41 kados     which can be easily obtained from koha tables
07:41 paul      should not be to hard to embeed in the MARC record.
07:41 paul      (in UNIMARC recommandation 995, there is a subfield for this)
07:41 kados     really! that's good news
07:42 paul      (unused yet for koha users)
07:42 kados     although I do want to preserve transactions in koha tables
07:42 paul      http://www.adbdp.asso.fr/outils/infogestion/r995.htm
07:42 kados     I think we have two databases:
07:42 paul      right. we will have to invetigate to see if it's better to have transactions in Koha or in zebra.
07:42 kados     koha database handles information on the movement of items
07:43 paul      anyway, at 1st glance, my feeling is that we still need raw marc in Koha.
07:43 kados     zebra handles textual elements of MARC records
07:43 kados     I hope transactions in Koha will be better
07:43 kados     (otherwise, what's the point of using koha ;-))
07:43 paul      ;-)
07:44 paul      in reco995, issuing informations are in :
07:44 paul      $m - Date de prêt ou de dépôt
07:44 paul      $n - Date de restitution prévue
07:44 paul      $o - Catégorie de circulation
07:44 paul      (issuing date / return date / issuing category)
07:44 kados     cool
07:44 paul      my idea could be to have :
07:45 paul      * zebra for search & results list
07:45 paul      * koha for MARC editor and when MARCdetail.pl called.
07:45 kados     why when marcdetail called?
07:46 paul      because we already know the $bibid, so no need to query zebra
07:46 paul      + we already have issuing status in mySQL
07:46 kados     but ... we already have the whole marc record too
07:46 kados     so why re-query mysql at all?
07:47 paul      yes but no. where is the marc record coming from zebra once you have sent opac-searchresult.pl to the user ?
07:48 paul      as we are in http, what you have found is in a process that is dead.
07:48 kados     not if we use DOM
07:48 paul      so, when the user clics on "see detail", you need to find the MARC data again isn't it ?
07:48 kados     nope ...
07:48 kados     just have a 'tab'
07:48 kados     when they click on it, it displays
07:48 kados     no reload
07:49 paul      and when you get 150 results from the query ? you DOM'ed the 150 biblios ?
07:50 kados     here's an example:
07:50 kados     http://catalog.cincinnatilibrary.org/uhtbin/cgisirsi/x/0/0/123?searchdata1=cryptonomicon&srchfield1=GENERAL%5ESUBJECT%5EGENERAL%5E%5Ewords+or+phrase
07:50 kados     (not sure if this link works ... if not:
07:50 paul      works
07:50 kados     great
07:50 kados     click on catalog record
07:51 kados     oops ... now I understand what you mean
07:51 paul      (in konqueror, the marc is always here ;-) works fine in ff)
07:51 paul      ;-)
07:51 kados     and I forgot that your default view is MARC
07:51 kados     whereas NPL is not
07:52 paul      my problem is not here.
07:52 kados     so I thought you meant to re-query after details page is already loaded
07:52 kados     but you mean on the initial search results page _> details page
07:52 paul      it's that when you do a search, you 1st get a result list, then a detail
07:52 kados     right ...
07:52 paul      http://catalog.cincinnatilibrary.org/uhtbin/cgisirsi/kah3LgwRwu/MAIN/59160050/5/0
07:53 paul      then >> clic detail (& read the MARC record once again)
07:53 kados     what is the search term?
07:53 paul      lord ring in title
07:54 kados     (the link is session-based and so it didn't work)
07:54 kados     ok
07:55 kados     well maybe we should re-invent this function
07:55 kados     do search
07:55 kados     return result list
07:55 kados     user clicks on detail
07:55 kados     details pop down below record
07:55 paul      even in this case, you can sent all the records in 1 html page.
07:55 kados     avoiding page reloads
07:56 kados     no ... only the first 10
07:56 paul      (in case there are only 20, you will have html rendering very long !)
07:56 kados     hmmm
07:56 paul      & http traffic too heavy on a low bandwidth
07:57 kados     are you sure?
07:57 kados     a marc file is quite small
07:57 paul      the html MARC editor page (for a single MARC record) can be >50KB
07:57 paul      (with all the authorised values lists I agree)
07:58 paul      but my opinion is that we will have a better way (& an easier one) to use zebra for what it's done for : indexing & searching.
07:58 kados     yep ...
07:58 kados     (above this I was just brain-storming ;-))
07:59 paul      right. we all are brain storming ;-)
07:59 kados     hehe
07:59 paul      (beware the headake)
07:59 paul      headake ?
07:59 paul      (wrong spelling i bet)
07:59 kados     headache I think
08:00 kados     :-)
08:03 kados     paul: do you run multiple Koha's on the same machine regularly?
08:04 paul      no : always.
08:04 kados     right
08:04 paul      go to bureau.paulpoulain.com : at least 4 public Koha. + 22+head + 2 private atm
08:04 kados     and all of them from CVS repos?
08:04 paul      yes
08:04 paul      (from rel_2_2)
08:04 kados     do you use installer.pl to create a new install?
08:05 paul      (except head, of course)
08:05 kados     or do you manually install?
08:05 paul      no more installer.pl on my computer.
08:05 paul      but when doing a public install, I use installer.pl of course
08:05 kados     right
08:05 kados     I'm thinking it would be nice to modularize Koha a bit more
08:05 paul      + mysqldump the DB from my server & mysql <db.sql on the dest server.
08:06 paul      like ?
08:06 kados     the current intaller is pretty limited
08:06 kados     well /etc/koha.conf
08:06 kados     /etc/koha-httpd.conf
08:06 kados     always go in the same place
08:07 kados     and I can't have say /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client1.conf /etc/httpd/conf.d/koha-client2.conf, etc
08:07 paul      why not. the 1st test to remove in this case is the "stop installer if /etc/koha.conf exists)
08:07 kados     right
08:07 paul      should not be too hard to do. But a little bit tricky for updater...
08:07 kados     but also we should have an installer.conf
08:07 paul      we already have
08:07 paul      (auto_install file)
08:08 paul      where you can set all parameters & have an automatic install
08:08 kados     right ... but still some limitations
08:08 paul      only 1 that i see
08:08 kados     like I can't choose where to put koha-httpd.conf koha.conf (or what to call them)
08:08 kados     I can't choose log file names, etc.
08:08 paul      no way to specify sql files to upload.
08:09 paul      right, but it's not auto_install limit, it's installer.pl limit !
08:09 kados     right
08:09 kados     I should just read through installer.pl ... but I suspect there are some PATH muckings in there as well
08:10 paul      maybe. I must say i'm not a .sh pro
08:10 kados     also ... a question
08:10 paul      so i just created auto_install, using what had been written before.
08:10 kados     would it be a good idea to run multiple Kohas off the same script files?
08:10 paul      ???
08:10 kados     (changing templates of course)
08:11 kados     I know if sounds crazy ;-)
08:11 kados     s/if/it/
08:11 kados     I'm just thinking that it might be nice to have:
08:11 kados     /build/koha/opac
08:11 paul      (no, it's just i don't undestand. not crazy ;-) )
08:11 kados     /build/client1/opac-tmpl
08:11 kados     /build/client2/opac-tmpl
08:12 kados     /build/client1/etc/koha.conf
08:12 kados     /build/client2/etc/koha.conf
08:12 kados     /var/lib/mysql/client1
08:12 kados     /var/lib/mysql/client2
08:12 paul      that's already possible (manually) to share .pl & .pm but have spectific templates for each library, as well as parameters & sql, of course
08:12 kados     but all of the clients use the same /build/koha/opac, intranet, etc.
08:12 paul      (as templates path is in /etc/koha.conf iirc)
08:13 kados     right ... just wondering if that's something you've played with
08:13 paul      no for templates, as i only deal with css in opac
08:13 paul      (& a stylesheet if requested)
08:14 kados     i would also like to create an installer for the CVS repo
08:14 kados     actually ...
08:14 paul      you have too many ideas...
08:14 paul      ;-)
08:14 kados     it might be nice if we had installer.pl and cvs-installer.pl
08:15 kados     :-)
08:15 paul      (you will have to delay some of them imho)
08:15 kados     cvs-installer.pl would grab the latest cvs repo and install from there
08:15 kados     (of course)
08:21 kados     FrancoisL: hi there Francois-Laurent
08:21 kados     FrancoisL: what's new with you?
09:03 kados     slef: evening
09:04 kados     slef: are any of the times paul listed in his response to the Searching Meeting email good for you?
09:15 FrancoisL Hi kados ! How are you ?
09:16 paul      hi again francoisl ;-)
09:16 FrancoisL paul: salut
09:17 FrancoisL kados: I've been with the SAN last week - things are clear now
09:17 FrancoisL I have a list of all modifications they want (not a long list !)
09:17 FrancoisL We are hiring a Koha developper to help them.
09:18 paul      did you plan to be here for "Koha 2.4 Searching Group Meeting" ?
09:18 paul      VERY important, imho.
09:19 kados     yes
09:19 kados     hi FrancoisL
09:19 kados     :-)
09:19 FrancoisL I agree, but 1-I'll be in Grenoble for a congress 2- 11pm is much too late for me :(
09:19 paul      the date will change, for sure.
09:19 kados     yep
09:19 kados     what time can you make it FrancoisL ?
09:20 FrancoisL OK so I'll make an effort. Kados: any time before 10pm local time I can manage...
09:20 FrancoisL I'll talk to the wife :)
09:20 kados     ok ;-)
09:20 paul      (we are GMT+2 joshua)
09:21 FrancoisL (we are you+6 joshua)
09:21 kados     right ;-)
09:22 FrancoisL Moday is a no-no for me as I teach in an architecture school (5 hours without pause...)
09:22 FrancoisL s/Moday/Monday
09:22 kados     Thur 16? Fri 17?
09:23 paul      thur16 ok, but not before 9PM GMT
09:23 kados     Tue 21?
09:23 FrancoisL Nope : I'll be in Grenoble (16-20th)
09:23 kados     so it looks like Tue 21
09:23 FrancoisL ..and so well be Paul :)
09:23 kados     for Paul and FrancoisL
09:23 FrancoisL OK for Tue 21. What time ?
09:27 kados     FrancoisL: http://tinyurl.com/8mbfc
09:42 slef      kados: finding email.
09:44 slef      kados: all look possible.
09:45 kados     slef: great ... thanks!
09:51 owen      Bug Squashing this morning?
09:56 slef      http://raw-output.org/20050614/how-to-drive-your-translators-insane
10:00 kados     BugSquashing Session
10:01 kados     hi everyone
10:01 kados     who's here?
10:01 kados     owen and slef I know
10:01 kados     paul still with us?
10:01 kados     hdl?
10:01 kados     here's the list of bugs:
10:01 kados     http://tinyurl.com/as66z
10:02 owen      Where do you want to start?
10:03 kados     well last time we did the '900s'
10:03 kados     but I think pauls method is better
10:03 kados     start with the ones that are higher priority
10:03 kados     I have 893 listed first
10:03 owen      You mean by severity?
10:03 kados     yep
10:03 kados     http://tinyurl.com/as66z
10:04 kados     does that link not auto-sort for you by severity?
10:04 kados     slef joining us?
10:04 owen      Yes
10:04 owen      It does
10:04 kados     cool
10:04 kados     paul joining us?
10:04 paul      (on phone)
10:04 kados     it won't be much of a bug squashing session with owen and I ;-)
10:05 paul      (was on phone with francois L. it's done now)
10:06 kados     sweet ... ok ... I guess that makes quorum
10:06 kados     so
10:06 kados     http://tinyurl.com/as66z
10:06 kados     list of bugs
10:06 slef      also, tinyurl.com links aren't obvious what they are
10:07 slef      so I mostly ignore them
10:07 kados     true
10:07 owen      slef, aren't we among friends here? Couldn't you give kados the benefit of the doubt?
10:07 kados     maybe I'll annotate them from now on
10:07 kados     anyway ...
10:07 kados     we've got 66 bugs
10:07 kados     bug 893: Can't get past biblio info page in simple acquisitions
10:07 slef      owen, it was a quick glance at scrollback once I got back online.
10:08 owen      I don't see bug 893 happening for us... Can anyone duplicate it?
10:08 paul      i think it's a MARC=OFF problem
10:08 slef      893 is marked Windows 2000
10:08 paul      so, it's for chris ;-)
10:09 owen      Oh, right.  I see
10:09 slef      I guess we need info from the server log.
10:09 owen      She said 'simple acquisitions,' so I assumed she meant acqui.simple
10:09 slef      paul: has anyone got a MARC=OFF system to hand?
10:09 slef      erm, not sure why that said paul:, sorry
10:09 paul      in new zealand, yes.
10:10 kados     so I'll try to get more info from chris on this one
10:11 kados     857 is assigned to paul
10:11 kados     paul: is that still right?
10:11 paul      yes
10:11 kados     ok ...
10:11 paul      I think i've a simple solution to fix it.
10:12 paul      i'll let the url field with http://site1.com|http://site2.org
10:12 paul      and split in opac-detail to have correct URLs
10:12 paul      so, now you can expect a fix in 2.2.4
10:12 kados     ok cool
10:12 kados     (can't make it for 2.2.3?)
10:12 paul      no, because 2.2.3 is for friday on monday ;-)
10:13 kados     ok ;-)
10:13 kados     bug 472: It should not be possible to delete an item which is on issu
10:13 paul      it's ready, translation to french is OK, i'll install a french library in 2 hours for RC tests
10:13 paul      nothing to add, it's a bug to fix ;-)
10:13 kados     and assigned to paul
10:14 paul      yep. I'll take care of it... (nervous smiling, gun in hand...)
10:14 kados     hehe
10:14 slef      bugs.koha.org just went dead on me for a minute, sorry for being quiet
10:14 kados     Bug 670: "Waiting" status often inaccurate
10:15 paul      owen ?
10:15 owen      Yes?
10:15 paul      670 is yours ;-)
10:16 paul      should we let this bug open ? or close it ?
10:16 kados     owen: do you consider it fixed?
10:16 owen      I think there's one last major place where this bug needs work: Circulation
10:16 owen      We need to get information into the circ template about holding branch versus pickup location
10:16 kados     who was responsible for the fixes on the opac (does anyone know?)
10:18 owen      I made some changes in some places...not sure if I worked on the opac or not
10:18 kados     owen: do you want to investigate further?
10:18 paul      + working on .pm will impact opac as well as librarian interface.
10:18 owen      I'm at the limit of my abilities with circulation.pl
10:18 owen      I need someone else to take a look
10:19 kados     ok ... I'll assign it to myself
10:19 kados     Bug 915: opac-MARCdetail.pl incorrectly shows request status
10:20 paul      owen, is it fixed ?
10:20 owen      Not the last time I checked, but let me look again
10:21 kados     ok ... in the meantime
10:21 kados     984: Bug in installer appears to not correctly escape password
10:22 kados     slef: your bug right?
10:23 slef      yes
10:23 kados     Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions
10:23 slef      I think that's a fix, but
10:23 slef      oh, never mind then :-/
10:23 kados     ;-)
10:23 kados     so is it fixed?
10:24 kados     sorry, I thought maybe you were still working on it
10:24 owen      Bug 915 is not fixed
10:24 slef      I think that's a fix and committed to HEAD, but not 2.2 and submitter seems to have died.
10:24 kados     submitter?
10:25 slef      Cory, who reported the problem.
10:25 kados     right
10:25 kados     ok ... (thought you were talking about submitter software ;-))
10:25 slef      paul: can you consider that for 2.2?
10:25 kados     (and hopefully Cory's not dead ;-))
10:25 paul      yes, i'll give a try.
10:26 kados     great ...
10:26 kados     paul look at 915 too?
10:26 paul      yes
10:26 kados     Bug 834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions
10:27 slef      kados: why are you jumping around the bug list?
10:27 owen      yeah, that's skipping ahead I think
10:27 kados     hum
10:27 slef      not just this one, but lots
10:27 paul      not skipping for me.
10:27 kados     not for me either
10:27 paul      bugs ordered by severity
10:28 paul      bug 834 : there is an online help, should be enough imho
10:28 kados     ok ... so we close it with a pointer to the online help?
10:28 owen      I think the normal bugs aren't getting sorted consistently, that's all.
10:29 owen      kados, you lead us through the list
10:29 kados     ahh ... probably not ... good point
10:29 kados     ok
10:29 paul      that's my opinion, we can close 834
10:29 kados     ok ... go ahead and close it but include a note about online help
10:29 paul      you do ?
10:30 kados     no
10:30 paul      I do ?
10:30 kados     yes (if that's ok)
10:30 paul      done
10:30 kados     ok ... next on my list is
10:31 kados     857: Cannot link to multiple web site addresses from 856 tag
10:31 paul      already done ;-)
10:31 kados     (I reloaded my page and now everything's ordered differently)
10:31 kados     sorry
10:31 kados     :-)
10:31 owen      Thanks, Bugzilla! :)
10:31 paul      pffff... not fun...
10:31 kados     856: subscription renewal changes the start date in OPAC
10:32 paul      it's fixed (2 days ago)
10:32 kados     great ... please close it
10:32 paul      done
10:32 paul      (& you proofread the page)
10:32 kados     (I will)
10:32 paul      (no, you already proofread the opac page)
10:32 kados     878: updatedatabase breaks parameters (author and title searches
10:33 kados     (oh ... yes I remember now) ;-)
10:33 paul      fixed.
10:34 paul      if I don't mind.
10:34 kados     right ... go ahead and close it
10:34 kados     885:; Non-ISO8859-1 charset support broken in CSS theme in 2.2
10:35 paul      bugs.koha.org off...
10:35 slef      sounds interesting to me, but bko just gone off again
10:35 kados     yep I notice it too
10:35 paul      up again...
10:36 slef      anyone up for replacing bko for 2.4? ;-)
10:36 paul      858 requireds a lot of work.
10:36 paul      the best solution being to really move to utf-8
10:36 kados     bko?
10:36 paul      bugs.koha.org
10:36 owen      bugs.koha.org
10:36 kados     I agree ... utf-8 is probably the best way to go
10:37 kados     slef: what do you propose?
10:37 paul      (on phone)
10:37 owen      Would an upgrade improve things?
10:37 slef      kados: give me 5 or 10 minutes at end of bugsquash? (or next time it goes offline)
10:37 kados     sounds good
10:37 kados     so 858 ...
10:37 slef      How do we go utf-8?
10:38 kados     no idea ... :-)
10:38 kados     my knowledge of charsets is pretty poor
10:38 kados     Encode is one way I've done it in the past
10:38 slef      I guess we add the http-equiv and I make the next installer set the headers in koha-httpd.conf
10:38 owen      Wouldn't the same bug require utf-8 in the database?
10:39 owen      Is the bug complaining about the templates, or the database, or both?
10:39 slef      yes. I guess paul will have an opinion about that
10:39 kados     slef: have you ever used Template::Toolkit?
10:39 slef      bug is complaining about templates afaict?
10:39 paul      (on phone)
10:39 kados     paul: we'll wait for you
10:39 slef      kados: Probably. Don't know.
10:39 kados     let's move on to 849: Error when generating barcodes
10:39 kados     till paul gets back
10:40 owen      Hmmm... I haven't tried that in quite a while
10:40 owen      No idea if it's still current
10:40 kados     I must admit I've never tried to print barcodes
10:40 owen      Anyone else playing around with barcodes?
10:41 kados     i can look into it
10:41 kados     It's something I should know anyway
10:41 kados     926Many form tags lack method and/or action attributes
10:41 owen      We talked about that one last time.
10:41 kados     right
10:41 owen      Isn't it assigned to me now?
10:42 kados     I think so
10:42 kados     bugzilla down it seeems ;-)
10:42 kados     actually, it might be NZ bandwidth issue too
10:42 paul      back
10:42 kados     great ... so back to 858 then
10:42 slef      sorry, I just got a call on a line I thought I'd switched off
10:43 paul      utf-8 is a 3 way plan i think :
10:43 paul      * utf-8 templates
10:43 paul      * utf-8 datas
10:43 paul      * utf-8 translations
10:43 paul      moving templates to utf-8 requires use of a tool like html tidy if i don't mind.
10:44 owen      utf-8 datas is the biggest question mark isn't it?
10:44 paul      plus some manual changes
10:44 kados     paul: have you used Template::Toolkit?
10:44 paul      No kados. utf-8 datas means, I think : dumping datas, changing mySQL & reloading datas
10:44 kados     right
10:44 paul      for translation, it's not clear.
10:44 paul      anyway, it's not a 2.2.x task.
10:44 kados     but we still need to figure a way to have utf-8 for templates
10:45 kados     in addition to data
10:45 kados     in fact, it might be possible to "pretend" we have utf-8 in the data
10:45 kados     by using an encode when we pull data out
10:45 kados     so maybe this bug is really a feature request?
10:46 kados     (or at least it suggests a feature request)
10:46 slef      or maybe it's a WONTFIX until 2.4?
10:46 kados     right ...
10:46 paul      maybe we can have a solution to fix it without everything in utf-8
10:46 kados     so there's a discussion I'll have to schedule on encoding
10:47 paul      i think we need acli opinion.
10:47 kados     acli?
10:47 owen      The bug reporter
10:47 kados     right
10:47 kados     ok ... so slef would you look into this one?
10:47 slef      either way, that's more than one bug
10:47 paul      acli is also tmpl_process3 author (the tool for translations)
10:48 slef      kados: yes.
10:48 paul      we have to investigate correctly this question, because iso2709 char encoding is poor for instance
10:48 kados     ok ... go ahead and assign it to yourself
10:48 paul      (awful in fact ;-) )
10:48 kados     yes!
10:48 slef      iso2709 = marc?
10:48 kados     it's really abd
10:48 kados     bad even
10:48 slef      paul: Is that OK with you?
10:48 paul      iso2709 is the technical form of a MARC file.
10:48 paul      it's OK.
10:49 kados     ok ... shall we move on?
10:49 paul      ok for me
10:49 kados     I can write an email to the list about encoding issues later today
10:49 kados     247: we should split city and state in borrower info
10:49 paul      nice.
10:49 kados     is this fixed?
10:49 owen      247 is really part of a larger overhaul of the borrower database
10:50 kados     ok ... so it's still a prob
10:50 kados     owen: can we link 247 with other bugs?
10:50 owen      Paul weren't you interested in changing the way the borrower's table looked?
10:50 paul      it's not a bug for frenchies ;-)
10:50 paul      right owen.
10:50 paul      I think we need to clarify borrowers table
10:50 owen      paul: right, but it's a larger issue in terms of i8n
10:50 paul      because fields names are not clear.
10:51 kados     so ... another discussion on koha-devel it sounds like eh?
10:51 paul      yep.
10:51 kados     I'll start that one tomorrow ;-)
10:51 paul      just 1 example :
10:51 owen      Well, kados, it's something to tackle along with NCIP
10:51 kados     871: Rename OPAC CSS template 'default'
10:51 kados     owen: right ... I'll talk to Art about it
10:52 paul      Art ?
10:52 owen      If we're going to have a new default template for 2.4, then 871 is moot
10:52 paul      right.
10:52 paul      so "wontfix" ?
10:52 owen      But right now the default opac template is unusable
10:52 kados     why's that?
10:52 paul      yes, I should remove it from official releases.
10:53 kados     right ...
10:53 kados     also: remove sample data from official release paul
10:53 kados     the sample data is for 1.2 Koha
10:53 paul      that's done since 2.2.1 iirc
10:53 kados     ok ... just checking
10:53 owen      Have we replaced it with something?
10:53 kados     paul: change 871 to WONTFIX ?
10:54 paul      no owen & that's a shame I agree.
10:54 paul      if someone has a sample & working MARC21 english DB, let me know !
10:54 kados     I could contribute some data I think (maybe in time for 2.2.3)
10:54 kados     ok ...
10:54 paul      put it in misc/sql-datas/english
10:55 kados     612: Renewal failure gives no feedback
10:55 paul      & the user can upload it.
10:55 kados     paul: ok
10:56 kados     paul: did you already fix 612?
10:56 paul      no (reading it)
10:57 paul      no, i did nothing on this.
10:58 kados     is it interesting to you?
10:58 owen      I'm wavering on whether this is still relevant
10:58 owen      We've managed to get the renewal checkboxes not to appear in the templates
10:58 paul      quite a complex one to re-play.
10:59 paul      ;-)
10:59 kados     ok ... does that mean you'd like to fix it if it's a bug?
10:59 kados     s/like to//;
10:59 paul      if nobody else want it yes :-(
10:59 kados     I'm actually pretty familiar with that code
11:00 kados     so I can take it on (leave other stuff for you to take ) ;-)
11:00 kados     right
11:00 kados     892: data in a closed order appear differently than data before c
11:01 paul      i'll take care of it.
11:01 kados     ok
11:01 kados     585: Using 'document.forms[0]' notation prevents use of other for
11:01 kados     owen: could you take 585?
11:02 paul      not a fixable bug, but some coding rules.
11:02 slef      owen reported it ;)
11:02 kados     753: Apostrophes and commas cause marc_word search to fail
11:02 paul      that are not respected (i'm a dummy in html, I agree)
11:02 kados     753 is fixed right?
11:02 paul      I think
11:02 kados     I know it is
11:03 slef      ideally, javascript needs to be removed, but it's not a 2.2 option, is it?
11:03 paul      you change it fixed ?
11:03 slef      Is non-javascript browser support in the 2.4 roadmap?
11:03 kados     yep
11:03 kados     (to paul)
11:03 owen      I don't think removing javascript is an option period.
11:04 slef      If you want a fat client, that shouldn't be the web browser.
11:04 kados     slef: non-javascript support is definitely important for 2.4
11:04 kados     imo
11:04 kados     but I also think use of javascript is a 'good thing'
11:04 kados     for browsers that support it
11:05 slef      as helpers, perhaps
11:05 kados     even for major functions as long as there are other ways to perform the functions
11:05 kados     but that's a topic for another discussion
11:05 owen      I agree
11:06 kados     owen can you handle 585 (either close it if there's nothing to fix and alert Stephen to include that recommendation in coding guideelines)?
11:06 owen      Yes
11:06 kados     I'll skip 950 ... paul still working on that I asume
11:06 kados     717: Quotes in MARC subfield cause blank line in addbiblio.tmpl
11:07 kados     anyone know if this is still a problem?
11:07 paul      about 950 : i'm waiting for owen answer
11:07 owen      Uh oh... :)
11:08 paul      717 : dunno
11:08 kados     I'll assign it to me and I'll find out
11:08 owen      One thing about 717
11:08 kados     I'll skip 992 (I'm still working on it)
11:08 kados     owen: ok
11:08 owen      We've got a problem with #'s
11:09 kados     ok ... can you add it to the description?
11:09 owen      Sure.
11:09 kados     834: Add Category Fields Need Descriptions
11:09 kados     sorry ... we've done that one right?
11:10 paul      already done 1 hour later
11:10 kados     844: renewstatus subroutine should check for reserves
11:10 kados     paul: do you like the fix?
11:10 kados     paul: or should it be customizable?
11:11 paul      it's ok for me
11:11 kados     ok ... I'll skip 975
11:11 kados     782: Admin interface must not require javascript
11:12 kados     owen: can you handle 782?
11:12 owen      that's part of our larger javascript question, I think
11:12 owen      I'm still on the fence, despite my comments there
11:13 kados     ok ... so I'll put that on the list then for discussion on koha-devel
11:13 kados     868: OPAC MARC view doesn't appear in IE6
11:14 paul      i'm working on this
11:14 kados     ok ...
11:14 kados     879: bugs on OPAC
11:14 paul      (unless owen want to fix it...)
11:14 kados     I'm assuming operator error here
11:14 kados     and I'm closing it out
11:14 owen      Paul, I can take a look
11:14 slef      kados: close as worksforme?
11:14 paul      ok, thanks. I'm not so good in css...
11:14 kados     slef: yep
11:15 kados     452: Payment due flags not showing up for children
11:15 kados     owen: so I'll assign 868 to you
11:16 kados     owen: ahh ... already done
11:16 kados     right
11:17 kados     ok ... let's start that then
11:17 kados     slef have a proposal?
11:17 slef      Is this discussing bugs.koha.org?
11:17 kados     yep
11:17 slef      452 looks like an enhancement, by the way
11:18 kados     slef: can you mark it thus
11:18 slef      paul: how long are you there for?
11:18 paul      i have to leave in 5-10 mn
11:19 slef      Basically, bugs.koha.org showed us some of its weak spots today.
11:19 kados     because
11:19 slef      There are also security updates out for its version of bugzilla.
11:19 kados     1. timeouts (or general processing slowness)
11:19 kados     2. limits for sorting
11:19 slef      and a whole later minor version is out too (2.16.x) if I understand it correctly
11:20 kados     ok ... so should we bug katipo to upgrade?
11:20 kados     (it's probably just running whatever woody's got)
11:20 slef      There's a couple of other things which irritate with bugzilla: registrations to submit bugs; inability to send email commands
11:20 kados     (so updating would require pinning, etc.)
11:20 slef      kados: depends if they're planning to move to sarge soon
11:21 kados     has anyone played with the sourceforge bug reporting system?
11:21 paul      sarge is out ?
11:21 paul      :-D
11:21 slef      paul: since 8 days
11:21 paul      was a joke. Even martians know this ;-)
11:21 slef      kados: yes. Normal sourceforge problems
11:21 kados     right ...
11:21 paul      like slowness...
11:21 kados     just thought I'd throw it in the mix
11:22 slef      kados: it works and probably is less of a single-failure-point than bugs.koha.org right now, but on the whole, I'd prefer to stay at katipo
11:22 kados     right
11:22 slef      do we ask katipo to upgrade bugzilla, or do we look to move to a competitor for 2.3/2.4 and just use bugzilla for 2.2?
11:23 slef      is bugzilla mostly doing what you want and it's just me?
11:23 kados     hmmm ...
11:23 kados     well since this is pretty much the largest dev project I'm involved with
11:23 slef      (My attempt to get routine buglists out of bugzilla didn't work, as you can probably tell by the lack of them ;-) )
11:23 paul      i'll have to leave now.
11:23 kados     I'm not really clear on the options
11:23 paul      unless there's a critical bug to see immediatly
11:24 kados     paul: ok ... thanks!
11:24 slef      paul: thanks
11:24 kados     paul: nope ... we'll get the rest next time
11:24 kados     paul: :-)
11:24 paul      you're welcome. Read you soon
11:24 kados     slef: so what are our options for bug reporting systems these days?
11:24 kados     I seem to recall that the one bug I reported for Fedora was running on a nice reporting system
11:25 kados     I guess they've got bugzilla too
11:25 slef      kados: bugzilla, sourceforge, http://www.mantisbt.org/ (but that's python), http://www.bestpractice.com/rt/ http://www.agstools.com/bugtrack/
11:25 slef      Did you have to register to report the bug in Fedora?
11:26 kados     yep
11:26 kados     that bestpractice link isn't working for me
11:27 slef      I think that puts people off. I don't really understand why bugzilla does that, apart from maybe spamming.
11:27 slef      sorry
11:27 slef      http://www.bestpractical.com/rt/
11:27 slef      was typing from memory
11:27 kados     yep
11:27 kados     shoot .. phone brb
11:29 slef      well, owen isn't returning anyway...
11:30 slef      ...I guess I'll move this to koha-devel.
11:30 kados     sounds good
11:30 kados     thx