IRC log for #koha, 2023-02-27

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05:22 tuxayo mtj: "2nd-hand thinkpad t420s are $10-ish US": you mean like for 10$???
05:40 tuxayo You found quite a beefy T420 with a 2670QM CPU. When I bought mine it I got a 2520M, the quad cores where quite more expensive and rarer than the 2 core 4 thread I got. And there where a lot of T420 with low power CPUs which might not be different enough from a raspberry pi. Still one with a 2520M is x1.75 single thread and x2.1 for multithread.
05:42 tuxayo Crazy that my CPU isn't so far ahead as I though from a RPi 4
05:47 tuxayo Wait the RPi 4 you found is overclocked from 1.5 GHz to 2 GHz!
05:47 tuxayo So many gotchas with benchmarks!
05:48 tuxayo Anyway, great idea to get 2nd hand laptops (which non-low power CPUs) as servers.
05:48 tuxayo *with non-low power
06:46 mtj hi tuxayo, it was the only t420 at geekbench i could find
06:49 tuxayo mtj: hi :) For some reason, thinkpads in geekbench don't have their well known names (t420) but more obscure model numbers like 42364F2
06:49 mtj yeah, probably how geekbench pulls/displays their model id
06:50 tuxayo It guess it's the actual thinkpad model with this precise CPU. Since t420 is actually a family
06:50 mtj yeah
06:51 mtj i mention t420 as they are common and cheap, popular with government departments and corps
06:52 mtj easy to upgrade and get 3rd-party spares for
06:53 mtj t430, next series higher has sata3
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06:55 mtj dell and hp has similar cheap models from the same era
06:59 tuxayo > i mention t420 as they are common and cheap
06:59 tuxayo indeed!
07:01 tuxayo > t430, next series higher has sata3
07:01 tuxayo Actually my PC! my T420 got stollen... And only a T430 was at a reasonable price even like 3 years after.
07:01 tuxayo and if I change PC now, next series are actually hard to find with not a low power CPU, so the different won't be that much :(
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07:05 mtj we have some resellers in NZ, that seems to have an endless supply of t420s
07:08 * mtj confesses to have a bunch of older thinkpads
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08:39 tuxayo > that seems to have an endless supply of t420s
08:39 tuxayo lol
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08:53 alex_ Bonjour
09:10 PedroAmorim[m] morning
09:11 cait ashimema: I ams orry, but the sandbox is dead
09:19 ashimema yup
09:36 * mtj waves \o
09:38 mtj Joubu: i did have another look at your docker/apache error... its a crazy rabbithole 🐇
09:41 mtj one workaround might be to use an apache2 pkg - that allows to be run as root user
09:46 mtj the problem seems to be that all general gitlab runners, run with user as ID 0 (aka root)
09:47 magnuse_ should changes made in pootle be visible in the downloadable .po files immediately, or is there some delay?
09:48 cait we just had the question on the mailing list
09:48 cait I actually don't know, but it#s possible they are only generated pre-releases or overnight
09:51 magnuse_ ah, thanks. that message sounds like no update for "a few days". maybe there is a problem there? i'll keep an eye on the list
09:52 cait maybe they only update for releases
09:52 mtj magnuse_: curious.. have you recently done some translations on pootle?
09:52 cait you might want to try and email bgkriegel directly
09:53 magnuse_ mtj: yeah, i did a little bit on both swedish and norwegian
09:53 mtj i wondered if the 'Last action:' value was updated...
09:54 magnuse_ mtj: yes, it show me as the last person to edit
09:54 mtj https://translate.koha-communi[…].05/sv-SE-pref.po
09:54 magnuse_ yup
09:56 mtj hmm, how to download a .po..
09:56 magnuse_ https://translate.koha-communi[…]/export/22.05/sv/
09:56 magnuse_ for example
09:59 mtj hmm, looks like some cronjob, or a manually run job hey?
10:00 mtj .looking at those file timestamps
10:02 magnuse_ yes, that looks quite likely
10:02 magnuse_ all the norwegian files are last modified "2023-02-18 00:00"
10:03 magnuse_ there german ones have different dates: https://translate.koha-communi[…]/export/22.05/de/
10:06 mtj surely a cronjob
10:06 mtj every hour? :)
10:07 mtj hmm, it should have just run :/
10:08 Annelisterman[m] I'm not sure, but I think the po files are updated once a day when there are changes to them. It looked like that when I updated the Finnish translations.
10:12 mtj hi Annelisterman[m], that makes sense :)
10:16 ashimema erm.. a large amount of the po files on pootle are just plain broken without manual work
10:17 ashimema I've been trying to get that sorted for ages.. right now the rmaints have to step in a do a tonne of fixes at release time
10:17 ashimema just a heads up if your trying to use them in production and wondering why koha is majorly borked by them
10:18 ashimema[…]518feafafe112ef9e is an example
10:18 ashimema of what we do to fix them
11:01 mtj ashimema: oof, do you think its possible to automate a po. fixup?
11:02 ashimema the real solution is to have the fixes that the rmaints have made back into pootle.. but catching bernardo is rather difficult it seems.
11:02 ashimema the plural handling i doesn't seem to be very good in pootle.
11:03 ashimema I'd be interested in automating, or even just blocking at source, the mistakes in variable names being translated
11:03 ashimema there are a few issues mixed into it really
11:03 mtj yeap, i see that
11:04 ashimema I wonder if switching to another translation software might be a good idea too.. pootle seems to be abandonware
11:04 ashimema weblate seems to be the preferred option now
11:05 mtj perhaps we get a backup person for bernardo
11:05 ashimema I think we've tried a few times
11:05 ashimema it's always the same few volunteering from the pool of people 😜
11:06 ashimema I've even tried it.. I have access to the server.. but I just don't have time to get up to speed on how pootle fits together
11:08 tcohen hola #koha o/
11:09 mtj weblate looks promising
11:10 mtj hi tcohen \o
11:11 tcohen the main problem with pootle is that we haven't ever documented how to do things
11:11 tcohen and is aging as well
11:14 tcohen Joubu: I've got a response from hte Mojo plugin maintainer: it is not designed to validate twice and he didn't seem open to change that
11:31 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "Joubu, ashimema: do we want this in a short/mid term?" (20 lines) at
11:40 ashimema seems fairly sane to me
11:41 tcohen so in that case I think I'll provide a follow-up to the bug, and once reviewed we can push
11:42 tcohen it is what I pasted (for the future) or a more complex way for plugins to do their own routes and make the UI use them
11:43 tcohen ashimema (and everyone): please read my last comment on bug 32981
11:43 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32981 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Passed QA , Add REST API endpoint to list authorised values for a given category
11:43 tcohen it is a terminology question, I think we need some refinement iteration on that spec
11:43 tcohen thanks!
11:44 oleonard Hi #koha
12:09 oleonard Looks like patron attributes always show up as changed after the patron updates their own record in the OPAC
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12:53 cait oleonard-away: thanks :)
13:44 magnuse_ there is no way to limit stars and comments to only librarians, right?
13:44 lukeg Anyone want to have a look at my patch for 22.05.x here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32505 ?
13:44 huginn Bug 32505: normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Cannot search by dateofbirth in specified dateformat
13:45 lukeg I'd like a stamp of arroval before I push this, and I still would like to get this in before I make 22.05.10
14:27 tcohen Joubu++
14:27 tcohen PedroAmorim[m]++
14:35 tcohen Joubu, ashimema available for a call?
14:42 ashimema I'm going into an Aspen call in a few mins
14:42 tcohen oh, ok
14:42 ashimema Well, assuming my laptop comes back to life.. it's just crashed hard on me
14:43 tcohen we need to sort the avs terminology for good
14:43 tcohen and move those bugs
14:43 ashimema The Aspen call is average an hour
14:43 ashimema Can talk after
14:44 ashimema Or you guys can meet without me
14:44 tcohen we need Joubu
14:44 tcohen I wouldn't like to wait for the next dev meeting
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16:41 PedroAmorim[m] part of 32981 and 32997 certainly overlap a bit in functionality imo, i.e. having an endpoint that retrieves values of a given single AV category vs. an endpoint that retrieves values for multiple given AV categories, including a single one if just one category_name is given
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18:32 RuP Hi
18:41 * cait waves
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21:27 caroline_catlady davidnind around?
21:36 caroline @later tell davidnind can you check the manual pipeline errors? It stopped working again, and I suspect it's the same problem (although I'm not sure why it worked for a while and stopped)
21:36 huginn caroline: The operation succeeded.
21:38 caroline does anyone on the docs team have a setup for EDIFACT? There is ONE remaining screenshot to update in the Acquisitions chapter and it's the last one[…]#edifact-messages
21:39 caroline Wouldn't it be grand to have a whole chapter DONE? :D
21:54 cait caroline: ah hey, you are here :)
21:54 caroline yes!
21:54 caroline hi!
21:55 cait mine looks like that:
21:55 cait (sorry no EDIFACT)
21:55 caroline Well, that's good at least
21:55 cait yeah, but why is yours broken?
21:56 cait i didn't fix that
21:56 cait only made the button yellow
21:56 cait are you using ktd?
21:56 caroline No I have a git thing where I pull to update it
21:56 cait hm could you try yarn buliding?
21:57 caroline I tried before commenting but it gave me errors... let me try agian
21:58 cait we are no longer shipping the yarn files - maybe that's the difference because in git you need to do htat manually? but mostly guessing
21:58 caroline I thought the master had the builds though?
21:58 cait no
21:58 cait they are no longer in the repository - but ktd builds them for you (is what I understood)
21:59 cait tcohen: maybe around?
21:59 caroline Ok it says success... but the field is still misaligned... :/
21:59 caroline Anyway, if it works for you, it's good enough for me
22:00 caroline The screenshot in the manual will be wonky however
22:02 caroline Are you sure you didn't correct it? I applied your patch and it's aligned now
22:03 cait hm pretty sure I didnt
22:03 cait only added some classes
22:03 cait maybe it did cache something that is gone now?
22:03 caroline maybe... although I'm pretty sure I did Ctrl+F5
22:03 cait does it stay fixed?
22:04 cait if you reload and all?
22:04 caroline let me sign off and I'll reset to see
22:04 cait do you think "part of text" will work as context for "Quotes"
22:05 caroline as opposed to "price submission" for example?
22:05 cait yeah
22:05 cait different words in german
22:05 caroline makes sense
22:05 cait or maybe "citation"?
22:06 caroline let me check what our friend webster says
22:06 caroline a passage, a saying
22:07 caroline
22:07 cait citation shows up in the synonyms
22:08 caroline citation is fine with me! (it's the french word hehe)
22:08 cait there is no mention of the other meaning
22:08 cait written offer maybe?
22:09 caroline There is 3a to state the current price or bid-offer
22:09 cait oh
22:09 cait I am not finding it
22:10 cait where is that?
22:10 caroline
22:10 cait .... ok, getting a little late
22:10 caroline but under nous, it refers to quotation
22:10 caroline the naming or publishing of current bids and offers or prices of securities or commodities
22:10 caroline I would context it as like "Price offer" or "price submission"
22:11 cait ok
22:11 caroline where in Koha do we have quotes as in price bids? Is it new?
22:12 cait EDIFACT
22:12 caroline ah, it explains why I never saw it
22:12 cait we don't use it either
22:12 cait (yet)
22:13 caroline I wonder if aude has some sort of set up... I know ashimema worked on EDIFACT things
22:13 caroline (for my screenshot)
22:14 cait I know they have a lot of libraries using EDIFACT
22:14 cait sounds like a good idea :)
22:23 cait out of interest: are quotes different things in french too?
22:37 ashimema Hello
22:37 * ashimema reads been
22:37 ashimema Been
22:37 ashimema Back
22:40 ashimema Yeah, we have loads of EDI sites
22:40 ashimema And quotes are a type of EDI message
22:41 ashimema A quote becomes a basket, then the basket becomes and order and finally an invoice does the receipting
22:41 ashimema At least that's my memory of it
22:42 ashimema Must admit . I have to relearn EDI every time I have to dig into it again
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23:48 frank_2 Hi!
23:49 frank_2 Is there a way to add the name of the currently logged in staff member to a slip?
23:49 frank_2 So patrons know who they were talking to.

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