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cait: I just noticed I can only make the console error appear in Firefox |
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Joubu |
@later tell tcohen dbic returns diff on IdentityProvider about default_value on config and mapping |
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huginn` |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 07:19 |
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Joubu |
tcohen, PedroAmorim[m]: With 32154 32161 32162 32163 TestBuilder.t is green now! |
| 07:23 |
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Joubu |
tcohen, ashimema: see https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]c4dev/-/issues/56 and https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ocker/-/issues/75 |
| 07:34 |
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Joubu |
tcohen, ashimema: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]requests/53/diffs - I think this is simply what we need |
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alex_ |
Bonjour |
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ashimema |
Thanks for working through that Joubu.. it was top of my list to look in to this morning 🙂 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: I don't think I will have time for koha-sandboxes-docker, but that's no high priority for now (won't be able to test *new* patches, but if we build in misc4dev we are good for testing existing master in sandboxes) |
| 08:02 |
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Joubu |
we need to discuss the workflow first anyway |
| 08:02 |
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ashimema |
what puts you off running yarn install? |
| 08:02 |
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ashimema |
agreed.. we certainly do |
| 08:03 |
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ashimema |
the final push kinda crept up on me I must admit.. it's great to see it in and the code is sound.. but these "little" workflow things need ironing out.. |
| 08:04 |
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ashimema |
my feeling is it's right that we pushed it for string freeze.. now between us we need to get it solid for testing/dev/workflows 🙂 |
| 08:04 |
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ashimema |
I was going to write a little page like https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]d_staff_interface for the vue stuff today |
| 08:04 |
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ashimema |
so we have somewhere to point people other than the mailing list thread |
| 08:04 |
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ashimema |
breakfast now.. bbiab |
| 08:05 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: it's not clear to me how/when yarn install should be run |
| 08:05 |
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Joubu |
it's slow, and we may get regression because of package update. We want to have hand on how the dist file is generated |
| 08:06 |
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Joubu |
if a package is updated during the night, your vue app may be broken, just because something changed somewhere |
| 08:08 |
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Joubu |
yarn install will generate the node_modules dir, and pull the packages. At a given point the versions will be ok to generate the dist file. We would like to "freeze" that, for further builds. Until we decide to upgrade to new versions |
| 08:08 |
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Joubu |
maybe I am misunderstand how nodejs apps are supposed to be published in dev mode, that's possible. |
| 08:10 |
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Joubu |
I got things broken some random mornings and it's really upsetting when "it was working last night" and you didn't change anything, but some other people decided to break it. |
| 08:14 |
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ashimema |
I assumed there would be a flag to use with install that pulled pinned versions listed in the lock file |
| 08:14 |
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ashimema |
I need to re-read up on things.. |
| 08:14 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: about the wiki page, don't forget that there is the taiga wiki as well. I am not against using the community wiki but then we should link each other and prevent info to be scattered across different sources |
| 08:15 |
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ashimema |
--frozen-lockfile |
| 08:16 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: yes, we need to provide a "frozen" yarn.lock, but otoh we want to keep going and go with new versions |
| 08:16 |
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ashimema |
Agreed |
| 08:16 |
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Joubu |
we need to 2 modes, one for testing, another one for dev |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
My suggestion is we use that flag in automated runs . And encourage a process of running without it at regular intervals to get updates. Check they're solid and then commit the updated lockfile |
| 08:17 |
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ashimema |
Exactly |
| 08:17 |
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Joubu |
yarn install --modules-folder <path> |
| 08:17 |
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Joubu |
isn't it what we need for ktd actually? |
| 08:18 |
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Joubu |
we could embed our 'frozen' node_modules folder in ktd |
| 08:18 |
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ashimema |
Thats an idea.. would save the overhead of pull at each startup |
| 08:19 |
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Joubu |
I was trying to find resources about best practices in the node ecosystem, but didn't find anything relevant. RTFM and read the yarn doc is much more useful |
| 08:20 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: no need to pull if it's part of the image! |
| 08:24 |
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ashimema |
Yeah, the manual isn't bad |
| 08:24 |
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ashimema |
Indeed |
| 08:25 |
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ashimema |
That's what I meant by the above.. if we stick it in the image we don't need to pull |
| 08:25 |
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ashimema |
Anywho.. school run and things now. Will be back |
| 08:25 |
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Joubu |
ha! I misread and miss the 'save' |
| 08:34 |
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ashimema |
Hmm, I should check what package.json looks like in our repo.. I have a suspicion we've got some unspecified versions in there.. which is why yarn is pulling in new versions all the time. |
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Joubu |
ashimema: most of the time, when you "yarn add", it will generate a "*from* this version" line: "^1.2.3" |
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tundunf |
hi everyone |
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* cait |
waves hello |
| 09:16 |
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ashimema |
morning tundunf |
| 09:16 |
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cait |
morning tundunf :) |
| 09:26 |
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tundunf |
idk if by any chance anyone else has reported any issues searching the Koha catalogue in the staff interface? |
| 09:26 |
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tundunf |
we keep getting this error: Error: Unable to perform your search. Please try again. |
| 09:27 |
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cait |
are you using Elasticsearch? |
| 09:27 |
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cait |
can you perform the same search in OPAC ok? |
| 09:27 |
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cait |
I haven't seen issues reported, but I have seen this general error a few times |
| 09:30 |
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tundunf |
yes it's Elasticsearch, the search is working fine in our OPAC |
| 09:31 |
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tundunf |
no worries, I just thought I'd ask if it was a more general issue before raising it with support :) |
| 09:34 |
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ashimema |
hmm, sounds a little odd.. especially if search is generally working in the OPAC |
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tcohen |
morning |
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ashimema |
morning |
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oleonard |
morning |
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| 12:21 |
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oleonard |
Second day in a row Docker has just died randomly... |
| 12:28 |
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oleonard |
I wonder if Elasticsearch is to blame... I usually skip it |
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marcelr |
o/ |
| 12:49 |
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tuxayo |
hi #koha :) |
| 12:49 |
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tuxayo |
oleonard: Do you still have your logs? I case there is something interesting. |
| 12:50 |
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oleonard |
Not my Koha logs, no |
| 12:51 |
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oleonard |
I don't know what Docker keeps |
| 12:55 |
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tuxayo |
oleonard: the terminal output of starting ktd |
| 13:06 |
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tuxayo |
> Joke's on tuxayo, we all forgot XD |
| 13:06 |
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tuxayo |
LOL |
| 13:06 |
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tuxayo |
ok good, meeting was moved to next week. |
| 13:34 |
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tcohen |
ashimema, Joubu saw some discussion about nodejs workflow |
| 13:34 |
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tcohen |
any consensus? things that need to be done or have already bene? |
| 13:34 |
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tcohen |
is anyone working on putting node v14 on KTD? |
| 13:47 |
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ashimema |
oop |
| 13:47 |
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ashimema |
sorry |
| 13:47 |
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ashimema |
was contemplating lunch |
| 13:47 |
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ashimema |
I got distracted away |
| 13:47 |
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ashimema |
so no movement from me yet |
| 13:48 |
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ashimema |
need some food, then can come back to it. |
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| 13:55 |
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Joubu |
I suggested somthing on https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]u-koha-erm/us/127 |
| 13:55 |
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Joubu |
--modules-folder* |
| 13:55 |
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Joubu |
but paulderscheid[m] told me it wasn"t a good idea |
| 13:57 |
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tcohen |
paulderscheid[m]: ? |
| 14:01 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
In my humble opinion the image should be shipped with the distribution without dev and optional deps (and clean yarn cache) and if devs want to work on any vue projects there could be a flag on the wrapper that installs all deps when starting the container. |
| 14:02 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Shipping node_modules is node bad practice 101 |
| 14:03 |
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tcohen |
can't we have a cache on the image? |
| 14:04 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Depending on how you look at it it's additional bloat |
| 14:04 |
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tcohen |
but not on the project but on the tools we use |
| 14:04 |
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tcohen |
isn't it like shipping yarn or even nodejs on the image? |
| 14:04 |
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tcohen |
heh |
| 14:05 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 14:05 |
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ashimema |
the point of the image is to allow getting up and running for development quickly.. |
| 14:05 |
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ashimema |
and we require those dependencies for tests to run.. |
| 14:06 |
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ashimema |
not sure what the difference is between running 'yarn install --frozen-lockfile' and not yarn install but having the locked dependancies in a module dir already |
| 14:06 |
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ashimema |
my gut said use `--frozen-lockfile` at first but Joubu's idea didn't seem back.. it would save round trips |
| 14:07 |
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ashimema |
instead of every single time someone does a `ktd up` having to pull the whole stack you'd have it there waiting |
| 14:07 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
This may be one of the cases where one could break the "rules" |
| 14:08 |
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ashimema |
I think the rules are more around having deps shipped inside the codebase.. which this isn't |
| 14:08 |
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ashimema |
that I am firmly against |
| 14:08 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
You're right |
| 14:08 |
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ashimema |
and is why we don't commit the build dir |
| 14:09 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
The only thing that could be a problem is with packages that have native bindings like node-sass |
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* ashimema |
needs to go have a swim before he loses his chance to today |
| 14:09 |
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ashimema |
hmm.. that one I didn't think about.. |
| 14:09 |
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ashimema |
the native bindings arguament |
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paulderscheid[m] |
But that's not a problem for the vast majority of devs |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I think your discussed approach is the way to go. When joubu asked me I had an allergic overreaction to shipped node_modules ^^ |
| 14:14 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Koha, as always, has special needs for everything :D |
| 14:27 |
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tuxayo |
> This may be one of the cases where one could break the "rules" |
| 14:27 |
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tuxayo |
Is this at all a bad practice when using premade containers for development and CI? That's the point of them. |
| 14:28 |
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tuxayo |
I though it was only about code repo. |
| 14:44 |
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tcohen |
paulderscheid[m], ashimema, Joubu https://nodejs.org/api/modules[…]e_modules_folders |
| 14:45 |
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tcohen |
it seems that it is all about having /kohadevbox/node-modules |
| 14:45 |
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tcohen |
we don't need to pass any extra parameters, even |
| 14:45 |
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tcohen |
if it doesn't find /kohadevbox/koha/node_modules, it will try on the parent dir |
| 14:49 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Seems logical tcohen |
| 14:54 |
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tcohen |
it means we don't need to tweak our yarn commands so things are picked from a separate dir |
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* cait |
waves |
| 15:27 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Hi cait |
| 15:27 |
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cait |
hello |
| 15:31 |
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caroline |
Does anyone else find that bulkmarcimport is slower? |
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caroline |
I imported 108000 biblio records last night and it took 14 hours! I compared with another client I did in 2021 and it took 7 hours for 137000 records |
| 15:35 |
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cait |
did you do any matching? |
| 15:35 |
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ashimema |
yes |
| 15:35 |
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ashimema |
bulkmarcimport has been getting slower and slower for some time |
| 15:35 |
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caroline |
no just straight up importing in an empty |
| 15:35 |
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caroline |
database |
| 15:35 |
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ashimema |
our data team has complained a few times.. but I've not managed to get to the bottom of it |
| 15:36 |
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cait |
there are some patches arund for fixing some things I think |
| 15:36 |
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cait |
if you look for bulkmarcimport |
| 15:36 |
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caroline |
I just did a comparison of all the clients I did in 2021 and 2022 so far and it went from 0.1sec/record to 0.5sec/record |
| 15:39 |
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caroline |
It reassures me that it's not just me... 14 hours is not reasonable for migrations |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
it depends |
| 15:39 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
if you want to load 1.7 million... |
| 15:39 |
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ashimema |
0.1 -> 0.5 per records is not a reasonable increase |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
ah, not reasonable |
| 15:39 |
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cait |
i overread the not |
| 15:40 |
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caroline |
ever the optimist cait :) |
| 15:40 |
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cait |
or just a little blind... despite new glasses? |
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cait |
i can see the 22.11 translatoin files on pootle |
| 15:41 |
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cait |
7.500 |
| 15:41 |
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cait |
I think it was similar last time... but that's going to take a bit |
| 15:42 |
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tcohen |
bgkriegel didn't announce it for a reason, there's one more thing I'll push |
| 15:42 |
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tcohen |
well, two |
| 15:42 |
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tcohen |
:-D |
| 15:42 |
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cait |
ERM? |
| 15:42 |
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tcohen |
he said incremental update will run super fast |
| 15:43 |
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cait |
tcohen: so yould i sneak in a capitalization fix into the bug i am testing right now? |
| 15:43 |
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cait |
<input type="submit" class="btn btn-primary" value="Cancel and Transfer all" /> |
| 15:43 |
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cait |
i was about to file it separately :) |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
there are two things in PQA, one of them waiting for a comment from cait |
| 15:43 |
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cait |
yes, working through what happened while i wa sgone earlier right now |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
ok |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
yeah, fix those strings |
| 15:43 |
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tcohen |
you have like 4 hours |
| 15:44 |
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tcohen |
until I push and request the 'last string extraction' |
| 15:47 |
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cait |
tcohen: done |
| 15:47 |
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cait |
32073 |
| 15:47 |
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oleonard |
cait: Did you see my idea for Bug 32046? |
| 15:47 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32046 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , When adding a new records from a staged files, there are style issues |
| 15:48 |
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cait |
not yet! |
| 15:48 |
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cait |
was going to look at 31819 next |
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cait |
oleonard: do you see by chance what the fix for the statistic fields on new order form would be to make them align? |
| 15:54 |
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cait |
https://paste.koha-community.org/18379 |
| 15:55 |
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cait |
it appears it's the div with the hint breaking display |
| 15:55 |
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oleonard |
Yes, the div needs to be after the input |
| 15:55 |
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cait |
hm here it makes no sense |
| 15:55 |
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cait |
because it says: the 2 following fields |
| 15:56 |
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* cait |
ponders |
| 15:56 |
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cait |
suggestions welcome |
| 15:56 |
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oleonard |
Oh right, I wasn't even reading |
| 15:57 |
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oleonard |
Put it on its own line <li><span class="label"></span><div class="hint... |
| 15:57 |
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cait |
I'll try that, thx! |
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cait |
ashimema: are you on something or could you glance over 31819 for me? just so |
| 16:04 |
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ashimema |
sure |
| 16:05 |
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ashimema |
oh cool.. it's been reworked since I looked this morning 🙂 |
| 16:05 |
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ashimema |
hmm.. my system is crashing here.. |
| 16:05 |
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ashimema |
think I need to close some tabs.. |
| 16:06 |
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oleonard |
:D |
| 16:07 |
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cait |
ashimema: another follow-up incoming - page sectioning the item list on this page |
| 16:07 |
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ashimema |
🙂 |
| 16:09 |
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cait |
ok done :) |
| 16:10 |
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cait |
tcohen: looking at 8948 now - which is the other you need? |
| 16:14 |
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cait |
you can't see it, but we got a pretty sunset colored sky here right now |
| 16:25 |
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ashimema |
hmm |
| 16:25 |
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ashimema |
my brain is burnt.. |
| 16:27 |
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cait |
hm I got burnt by the items tab now too |
| 16:27 |
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cait |
oleonard: help?! |
| 16:27 |
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ashimema |
so we're only fixing the item form here |
| 16:28 |
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cait |
32042 is.... confusing |
| 16:28 |
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cait |
ashimema: we are fixing 3 things |
| 16:28 |
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cait |
the statistics misalignment, the form and the items list (you need to add some to see) |
| 16:28 |
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oleonard |
What's up |
| 16:28 |
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ashimema |
we're OK with the 'interesting' alignment of 'catalog details' ? |
| 16:28 |
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cait |
32042 is mean |
| 16:28 |
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ashimema |
man I find this page a bit hugly in general now |
| 16:29 |
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cait |
they look ok for me? |
| 16:29 |
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cait |
are you looking full screen? |
| 16:29 |
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cait |
there are some things happening when you squish... i chose to ignore them riht now |
| 16:29 |
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* ashimema |
used to like that the inputs aligned before the style refresh |
| 16:29 |
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oleonard |
I don't understand what you're talking about |
| 16:30 |
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cait |
me neither |
| 16:30 |
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cait |
screenshot? |
| 16:30 |
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* ashimema |
uploaded an image: (46KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]1.10-16_30_13.png > |
| 16:31 |
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oleonard |
On what page? |
| 16:31 |
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ashimema |
new order empty |
| 16:31 |
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ashimema |
before the refresh is looked like https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ent.cgi?id=143641 |
| 16:32 |
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cait |
aah |
| 16:32 |
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cait |
you are using the ACQ framework for catalog details |
| 16:32 |
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cait |
I have the stnadard one |
| 16:32 |
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cait |
that could be another issue |
| 16:32 |
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ashimema |
in summary.. I like the way the account details looks.. other forms on that page seem all over the place |
| 16:33 |
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ashimema |
pass. |
| 16:33 |
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ashimema |
I'm using the ptfs-e demo data |
| 16:33 |
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cait |
there is too much white space above your item form - I don't see that, because I don't have hidden any fields |
| 16:33 |
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cait |
i'd see that as a separate issue |
| 16:34 |
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* ashimema |
uploaded an image: (78KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]1.10-16_33_34.png > |
| 16:34 |
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cait |
the alignments are ok i'd say - but look at it full creen |
| 16:34 |
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cait |
hm it doesn't do that for me (the new screenshot) |
| 16:34 |
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ashimema |
ok.. ignore that whitespace.. that's the old UI and is perhaps a data thing on that other server |
| 16:34 |
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ashimema |
i am full screen 😜 |
| 16:35 |
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cait |
ok right |
| 16:35 |
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cait |
I think the patch fixes what it was supposed to fix (look at the item form without it...) |
| 16:35 |
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oleonard |
I'm so confused. |
| 16:36 |
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cait |
but there might be an additional issue with UseACQFrameworkForBiblioRecords |
| 16:36 |
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cait |
oleonard: this one or the items tab? |
| 16:36 |
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* ashimema |
uploaded an image: (52KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]1.10-16_35_56.png > |
| 16:36 |
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cait |
ashimema: the catalog with UseACQFrameworkForBiblioRecords didn't look super great before too |
| 16:36 |
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ashimema |
so that's master without patch |
| 16:36 |
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cait |
yes |
| 16:36 |
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cait |
and that's broken |
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cait |
it should look like the normal item form |
| 16:37 |
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cait |
not the input fields snuggling to the labels |
| 16:37 |
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ashimema |
how is that more broken than the whole form randomly going half way accross the screen |
| 16:37 |
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cait |
it doesn't do that for me... |
| 16:37 |
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ashimema |
wide screen |
| 16:37 |
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ashimema |
it all depends on screen size |
| 16:38 |
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cait |
https://snipboard.io/Nc5LXI.jpg |
| 16:38 |
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cait |
can you check if hte normla item form has the same issue? |
| 16:38 |
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cait |
then we could make it a separate bug for sure |
| 16:40 |
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ashimema |
normal item form? |
| 16:41 |
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ashimema |
I almost never look at acq 😜 |
| 16:41 |
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cait |
the item form in cataloguing |
| 16:42 |
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oleonard |
So anyway... ashimema did you try the patch I put on Bug 31759? |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Tabs vs Pills |
| 16:42 |
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ashimema |
oop.. not yet |
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cait |
i got to leave for a bit (dinner) |
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ashimema |
cait has been stealing all my time 😜 |
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cait |
oh go away and pqa that |
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cait |
:P |
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ashimema |
lol |
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ashimema |
anyone else starting to feel rather fatigued by all this UI rush around. |
| 16:50 |
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oleonard |
Yes, it's the sense that there are little problems hiding everywhere |
| 16:50 |
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ashimema |
I love the new tabs oleonard! |
| 16:51 |
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ashimema |
fantastic work |
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ashimema |
thankyou so much for bearing with me being an ass on that one. |
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oleonard |
I think you and I were both equally opinionated :) |
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ashimema |
in the end we get a good result though right 🙂 |
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kidclamp |
cait++ |
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* cait |
sends cookies to all |
| 17:32 |
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cait |
the last metres, we can do it! :) |
| 17:33 |
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cait |
ashimema++ |
| 17:33 |
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ashimema |
Add your line to the tabs bug Cait.. you know you want to |
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ashimema |
I'd love to see that pushed tonight 😜 |
| 17:34 |
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cait |
just got back from dinner, give me a minute |
| 17:34 |
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cait |
I still got that ERM patch... ;) |
| 17:35 |
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cait |
should we change the bug description now? |
| 17:35 |
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cait |
it's tabs vs. pills |
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cait |
improve styling of bootstrap tabs ? |
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caroline |
It would be better for release notes... most ppl (including myself) won't know what tabs vs pills mean... are we a drug distribution ring now? hehe |
| 17:38 |
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cait |
with Koha, you never know what features a library might come up with... |
| 17:38 |
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cait |
@quote get 123 |
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huginn` |
cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 17:39 |
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cait |
;) |
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caroline |
hehe! |
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tuxayo |
And custom JS allows to create whole new features ^^" |
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cait |
was the grey background what we were going for? https://snipboard.io/Eb09Lg.jpg |
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cait |
oleonard: ashimema |
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oleonard |
That is my suggestion |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
it's better |
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ashimema |
Yup |
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cait |
I take improvements everyday :) |
| 18:04 |
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ashimema |
Ooh, it landed already.. awesome |
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tuxayo |
This time, zero attendance at the french speaking patch testing session T_T |
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tuxayo |
I guess I'll keep only the session via poll and not the fixed session of the 2nd Thursday of the every month. |
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cait |
what time was it? work hours? |
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tuxayo |
14 to 19 in france and 8 to 13 in Québec |
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ashimema |
Did you send a reminder mail out |
| 18:09 |
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ashimema |
People are terrible at remembering these things |
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tuxayo |
thuesday morning. |
| 18:09 |
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ashimema |
Dang |
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tuxayo |
2 or 3 in advance should be best for reminder, right? |
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tuxayo |
*days |
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tuxayo |
About the English speaking sessions, I could do one the week of the 21th of November and the 12th of December (latter might be tough with the upcoming vacations). That would be a 3 weeks spacing from the session last week. |
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tuxayo |
> latter might be tough with the upcoming vacations |
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tuxayo |
I assume people should be busier the week before part of them take one or two weeks of vacation. Does that look right? |
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oleonard |
tuxayo: For Americans the week of 21 November is Thanksgiving week |
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tuxayo |
I wonder if just one session at the beginning of December is enough. Instead of trying to fit 2 before the end of the year. |
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oleonard |
I would think the week of 12 December is early enough in the month to be okay |
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tuxayo |
But the 19th would be too late |
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tuxayo |
If I avoid the week of the 21 Nov, I will have only two week of the spacing between two of the sessions. |
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tuxayo |
Maybe it doesn't matter since I don't have regulars who can't come if the session are too close |
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tuxayo |
But it matters with the frequency of me spamming various communications channels. |
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cait |
maybe you just need to make it a christmas event :) |
| 18:20 |
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cait |
give it a fancy name and the spamming won't matter :P |
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oleonard |
Holiday Bugstravaganza |
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cait |
good one |
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tuxayo |
XD |
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tuxayo |
ok so if we are optimistic, we could one the week of the 28th Nov and another one two week later (12th Dec week) |
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tuxayo |
I could condition the 2nd one to the attendance & poll popularity for the 1st one. So let's go with polling for the week of 28th Nov and see later for the other one ^^ |
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tuxayo |
I just checked and attendance history for English speaking sessions is 3 and 1.5 ^^" |
| 18:36 |
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cait |
tempted to come, just to up the statistics :) |
| 18:37 |
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tuxayo |
That's faking the stats! |
| 18:37 |
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tuxayo |
By huge percentages! |
| 18:37 |
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cait |
okok... |
| 18:38 |
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tuxayo |
cait: btw, how much libraries does BSZ help? |
| 18:38 |
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cait |
about 130-140 |
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tuxayo |
oh nice, do you know some of them who would be keen on testing patches? To know if I add you to the list of support provider that I ask to relay to some of their libraries. |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
90+ of those Goethe institute libraries |
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tuxayo |
66% of the total attendance has been from the German speaking world. So there might be a good vein there ^^ |
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cait |
heh |
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cait |
I am on vacation currently, maybe send an email to my work mail or remind me week after next? |
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tuxayo |
> maybe send an email to my work mail |
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tuxayo |
So you do have some cues about some librarians that might attend? Otherwise no need to bother you, the koha-de list is enough. |
| 18:44 |
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tuxayo |
> week after next |
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tuxayo |
So the week of the 21th? |
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tuxayo |
Oh no, now with seasonal date changes, to |
| 19:33 |
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tuxayo |
be able to have the full morning for US west coast is even harder |
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cait |
ah yeah, daylight savings |
| 19:33 |
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tuxayo |
Does anyone know the usual work hours for the morning in the US? |
| 19:35 |
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oleonard |
Do we want buttons? https://snipboard.io/7dCFBD.jpg |
| 19:36 |
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oleonard |
tuxayo: I would assume that 9AM is the start of the work day for most people. Is that what you're asking? |
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tuxayo |
oleonard: yes, and for the lunch time it might be blurrier I guess |
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tuxayo |
oleonard: you mean do we want the buttons to have a visible outline? As opposed to now where is transparent. |
| 19:39 |
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oleonard |
Yes, I was under the impression that some folks were still unhappy with the visibility of the toolbar |
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tuxayo |
I wonder how it does with people seeing the UI for the 1st time. Having visible buttons might help. |
| 19:43 |
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tuxayo |
Best would be to have guinea pigs to be sure it's a real issue. |
| 19:43 |
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oleonard |
The longer they're logged in, the more transparent the background color becomes :D |
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tuxayo |
XD |
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cait |
tuxayo: i don't hate the buttons :) |
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cait |
just wondering if the contrast is enough ther e |
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cait |
possibly is |
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oleonard |
According to Firefox it is |
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cait |
nice :) |
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cait |
can we push the buttons a bit to the rihgt? so align with page section? |
| 19:47 |
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oleonard |
I assume so |
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oleonard |
Quitting time for me though :) |
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cait |
have a nice evening :) |
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oleonard |
See y'all later |
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caroline_catlady |
davidnind[m], did you get my later message? I might have missed your answer, my computer is being finnicky since yesterday |
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ashimema |
@later tell oleonard we have a customer day at ptfs-e next week. I'm showcasing the new UI and will ask for feedback. |
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huginn` |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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davidnind[m] |
caroline_catlady: apologies, I have received it but haven't had a good look at it yet - will do shortly (just trying to get my email under control...) |
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caroline_catlady |
davidnind[m], ok no problem! Like I said my computer has been acting weird so I thought I may have missed it |
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caroline_catlady |
Also, I added my name as docs manager for 23.05, did you still want the position? |
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caroline_catlady |
I don't mind sharing or letting you take it again if you want it |
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davidnind[m] |
I'm still getting used to using Element for IRC - I often don't notice the direct messages. |
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caroline_catlady |
did you get my message twice? I wasn't sure if I needed to ping you with the [m |
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davidnind[m] |
Happy for you to - I haven't done a very good job the last couple of releases, or worked on things I wanted to improve. I'd like to continue working on those and actually do some documenting! |
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davidnind[m] |
I'm not seeing any recent messages - I think I have to sort out my IRC user - since using Riot it adds the [m], will try and figure it out! |
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davidnind[m] |
I'll look back through the log for the "@later" ones from the otehr day. Just replied to a direct message from August! |
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caroline_catlady |
I can find it in the log |
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davidnind[m] |
weird... |
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caroline_catlady |
davidnind[m], http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-11-08#i_2460668 |
| 21:42 |
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caroline_catlady |
It's about the way the images are done in the manual... |
| 21:43 |
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caroline_catlady |
ashimema started it http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-11-08#i_2460603 |
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davidnind[m] |
just reading through now... |
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davidnind[m] |
I don't know the reason for doing it the way we do - I'm assuming it is for reuse |
| 21:47 |
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davidnind[m] |
but as you discussed, we don't reuse images very often (if at all) |
| 21:50 |
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davidnind[m] |
I think we should change to just doing directly, without the interim images index |
| 21:51 |
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davidnind[m] |
I'll send a message to the mailing list to get some feedback - including some naming conventions |
| 21:51 |
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davidnind[m] |
I'll revive from my notes a while ago |
| 21:54 |
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davidnind[m] |
@later tell caroline_catlady testing sending later messages from element |
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huginn` |
davidnind[m]: The operation succeeded. |
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caroline_catlady |
hello |
| 21:54 |
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caroline_catlady |
yup got it |
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davidnind[m] |
@later tell tuxayo Also testing sending later messages |
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huginn` |
davidnind[m]: The operation succeeded. |
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davidnind[m] |
if you could try back - it should be just davidnind now.... (hopefully) |
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caroline_catlady |
@later tell davidnind testing later message |
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huginn` |
caroline_catlady: The operation succeeded. |
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ashimema |
It should be first time you speak after a later is sent that you get it from huggin |
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ashimema |
At least that's how I understand it |
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caroline |
it's the same for me |
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davidnind[m] |
hmm.. |
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ashimema |
@later tell davidnind testing 1. 2. 3... |
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huginn` |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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davidnind[m] |
In my settings I had messages sent by bots turned off... hopefully that fixes it |
| 22:08 |
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ashimema |
Ha, didn't know that was a setting. Haha |
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davidnind[m] |
We'll see if it works 🙂 |
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caroline |
@later tell davidnind test message again |
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huginn` |
caroline: The operation succeeded. |
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ashimema |
And on that note, I'm heading to bed.. nighty night |
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caroline |
good night! |
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davidnind[m] |
ashimema++ |
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cait |
hmm seeing something odd |
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cait |
I get thrown into the web installer all the time |
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cait |
tcohen: please check the last database updates, something's odd there. I changed Koha.pm -1 to get out of the loop now. |
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cait |
tcohen: and a yarn build for the new tabs design |
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cait |
tcohen: ok... probably not the yarn build... adding a comment to 37159 |
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tuxayo |
@later tell davidnind changing nick worked: http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-11-10#i_2461544 but @later still doesn't? |
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huginn` |
tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
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tuxayo |
Do you get PMs from oftc at all? At the time of freenode I had to register my nick to be able to get PMs via the Matrix bridge |
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davidnind[m] |
I do... |
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testdavid |
/msg ChanServ HELP |
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tuxayo |
↑↑↑ http://catplanet.org/wp-conten[…]2014/04/Halp2.jpg |
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davidnind[m] |
🙂 |
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