Time  Nick             Message
23:09 davidnind[m]     🙂
23:08 tuxayo           ↑↑↑ http://catplanet.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Halp2.jpg
23:05 testdavid        /msg ChanServ HELP
22:52 davidnind[m]     I do...
22:49 tuxayo           Do you get PMs from oftc at all? At the time of freenode I had to register my nick to be able to get PMs via the Matrix bridge
22:48 huginn`          tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
22:48 tuxayo           @later tell davidnind changing nick worked: http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-11-10#i_2461544 but @later still doesn't?
22:46 cait             tcohen: ok... probably not the yarn build... adding a comment to 37159
22:44 cait             tcohen: and a yarn build for the new tabs design
22:28 cait             tcohen: please check the last database updates, something's odd there. I changed Koha.pm -1 to get out of the loop now.
22:25 cait             I get thrown into the web installer all the time
22:25 cait             hmm seeing something odd
22:11 davidnind[m]     ashimema++
22:10 caroline         good night!
22:10 ashimema         And on that note, I'm heading to bed.. nighty night
22:10 huginn`          caroline: The operation succeeded.
22:10 caroline         @later tell davidnind test message again
22:09 davidnind[m]     We'll see if it works 🙂
22:08 ashimema         Ha, didn't know that was a setting.  Haha
22:07 davidnind[m]     In my settings I had messages sent by bots turned off... hopefully that fixes it
22:03 huginn`          ashimema: The operation succeeded.
22:03 ashimema         @later tell davidnind testing 1. 2. 3...
22:02 davidnind[m]     hmm..
22:02 caroline         it's the same for me
22:02 ashimema         At least that's how I understand it
22:02 ashimema         It should be first time you speak after a later is sent that you get it from huggin
21:55 huginn`          caroline_catlady: The operation succeeded.
21:55 caroline_catlady @later tell davidnind testing later message
21:55 davidnind[m]     if you could try back - it should be just davidnind now.... (hopefully)
21:54 huginn`          davidnind[m]: The operation succeeded.
21:54 davidnind[m]     @later tell tuxayo Also testing sending later messages
21:54 caroline_catlady yup got it
21:54 caroline_catlady hello
21:54 huginn`          davidnind[m]: The operation succeeded.
21:54 davidnind[m]     @later tell caroline_catlady testing sending later messages from element
21:51 davidnind[m]     I'll revive from my notes a while ago
21:51 davidnind[m]     I'll send a message to the mailing list to get some feedback - including some naming conventions
21:50 davidnind[m]     I think we should change to just doing directly, without the interim images index
21:47 davidnind[m]     but as you discussed, we don't reuse images very often (if at all)
21:46 davidnind[m]     I don't know the reason for doing it the way we do - I'm assuming it is for reuse
21:43 davidnind[m]     just reading through now...
21:43 caroline_catlady ashimema started it http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-11-08#i_2460603
21:42 caroline_catlady It's about the way the images are done in the manual...
21:41 caroline_catlady davidnind[m], http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-11-08#i_2460668
21:41 davidnind[m]     weird...
21:40 caroline_catlady I can find it in the log
21:39 davidnind[m]     I'll look back through the log for the "@later" ones from the otehr day. Just replied to a direct message from August!
21:37 davidnind[m]     I'm not seeing any recent messages - I think I have to sort out my IRC user - since using Riot it adds the [m], will try and figure it out!
21:33 davidnind[m]     Happy for you to - I haven't done a very good job the last couple of releases, or worked on things I wanted to improve. I'd like to continue working on those and actually do some documenting!
21:31 caroline_catlady did you get my message twice? I wasn't sure if I needed to ping you with the [m
21:30 davidnind[m]     I'm still getting used to using Element for IRC - I often don't notice the direct messages.
21:30 caroline_catlady I don't mind sharing or letting you take it again if you want it
21:30 caroline_catlady Also, I added my name as docs manager for 23.05, did you still want the position?
21:29 caroline_catlady davidnind[m], ok no problem! Like I said my computer has been acting weird so I thought I may have missed it
21:28 davidnind[m]     caroline_catlady: apologies, I have received it but haven't had a good look at it yet - will do shortly (just trying to get my email under control...)
20:39 huginn`          ashimema: The operation succeeded.
20:39 ashimema         @later tell oleonard we have a customer day at ptfs-e next week.  I'm showcasing the new UI and will ask for feedback.
20:14 caroline_catlady davidnind[m], did you get my later message? I might have missed your answer, my computer is being finnicky since yesterday
19:48 oleonard         See y'all later
19:47 cait             have a nice evening :)
19:47 oleonard         Quitting time for me though :)
19:47 oleonard         I assume so
19:45 cait             can we push the buttons a bit to the rihgt? so align with page section?
19:45 cait             nice :)
19:44 oleonard         According to Firefox it is
19:44 cait             possibly is
19:44 cait             just wondering if the contrast is enough ther e
19:44 cait             tuxayo: i don't hate the buttons :)
19:43 tuxayo           XD
19:43 oleonard         The longer they're logged in, the more transparent the background color becomes :D
19:43 tuxayo           Best would be to have guinea pigs  to be sure it's a real issue.
19:42 tuxayo           I wonder how it does with people seeing the UI for the 1st time. Having visible buttons might help.
19:39 oleonard         Yes, I was under the impression that some folks were still unhappy with the visibility of the toolbar
19:39 tuxayo           oleonard: you mean do we want the buttons to have a visible outline? As opposed to now where is transparent.
19:37 tuxayo           oleonard: yes, and for the lunch time it might be blurrier I guess
19:36 oleonard         tuxayo: I would assume that 9AM is the start of the work day for most people. Is that what you're asking?
19:35 oleonard         Do we want buttons? https://snipboard.io/7dCFBD.jpg
19:33 tuxayo           Does anyone know the usual work hours for the morning in the US?
19:33 cait             ah yeah, daylight savings
19:33 tuxayo           be able to have the full morning for US west coast is even harder
19:32 tuxayo           Oh no, now with seasonal date changes, to
18:44 tuxayo           So the week of the 21th?
18:44 tuxayo           > week after next
18:44 tuxayo           So you do have some cues about some librarians that might attend? Otherwise no need to bother you, the koha-de list is enough.
18:44 tuxayo           > maybe send an email to my work mail
18:42 cait             I am on vacation currently, maybe send an email to my work mail or remind me week after next?
18:41 cait             heh
18:41 tuxayo           66% of the total attendance has been from the German speaking world. So there might be a good vein there ^^
18:39 cait             90+ of those Goethe institute libraries
18:39 tuxayo           oh nice, do you know some of them who would be keen on testing patches? To know if I add you to the list of support provider that I ask to relay to some of their libraries.
18:38 cait             about 130-140
18:38 tuxayo           cait: btw, how much libraries does BSZ help?
18:37 cait             okok...
18:37 tuxayo           By huge percentages!
18:37 tuxayo           That's faking the stats!
18:36 cait             tempted to come, just to up the statistics :)
18:35 tuxayo           I just checked and attendance history for English speaking sessions is 3 and 1.5 ^^"
18:33 tuxayo           I could condition the 2nd one to the attendance & poll popularity for the 1st one. So let's go with polling for the week of 28th Nov and see later for the other one ^^
18:30 tuxayo           ok so if we are optimistic, we could one the week of the 28th Nov and another one two week later (12th Dec week)
18:24 tuxayo           XD
18:22 cait             good one
18:21 oleonard         Holiday Bugstravaganza
18:20 cait             give it a fancy name and the spamming won't matter :P
18:20 cait             maybe you just need to make it a christmas event :)
18:19 tuxayo           But it matters with the frequency of me spamming various communications channels.
18:19 tuxayo           Maybe it doesn't matter since I don't have regulars who can't come if the session are too close
18:18 tuxayo           If I avoid the week of the 21 Nov, I will have only two week of the spacing between two of the sessions.
18:17 tuxayo           But the 19th would be too late
18:17 oleonard         I would think the week of 12 December is early enough in the month to be okay
18:16 tuxayo           I wonder if just one session at the beginning of December is enough. Instead of trying to fit 2 before the end of the year.
18:16 oleonard         tuxayo: For Americans the week of 21 November is Thanksgiving week
18:14 tuxayo           I assume people should be busier the week before part of them take one or two weeks of vacation. Does that look right?
18:14 tuxayo           > latter might be tough with the upcoming vacations
18:13 tuxayo           About the English speaking sessions, I could do one the week of the 21th of November and the 12th of December (latter might be tough with the upcoming vacations). That would be a 3 weeks spacing from the session last week.
18:10 tuxayo           *days
18:10 tuxayo           2 or 3 in advance should be best for reminder, right?
18:09 ashimema         Dang
18:09 tuxayo           thuesday morning.
18:09 ashimema         People are terrible at remembering these things
18:08 ashimema         Did you send a reminder mail out
18:07 tuxayo           14 to 19 in france and 8 to 13 in Québec
18:06 cait             what time was it? work hours?
18:04 tuxayo           I guess I'll keep only the session via poll and not the fixed session of the 2nd Thursday of the every month.
18:04 tuxayo           This time, zero attendance at the french speaking patch testing session T_T
18:04 ashimema         Ooh, it landed already.. awesome
17:46 cait             I take improvements everyday :)
17:46 ashimema         Yup
17:46 cait             it's better
17:46 cait             ok
17:45 oleonard         That is my suggestion
17:45 cait             oleonard: ashimema
17:45 cait             was the grey background what we were going for? https://snipboard.io/Eb09Lg.jpg
17:42 tuxayo           And custom JS allows to create whole new features ^^"
17:39 caroline         hehe!
17:39 cait             ;)
17:38 huginn`          cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
17:38 cait             @quote get 123
17:38 cait             with Koha, you never know what features a library might come up with...
17:38 caroline         It would be better for release notes... most ppl (including myself) won't know what tabs vs pills mean... are we a drug distribution ring now? hehe
17:35 cait             improve styling of bootstrap tabs ?
17:35 cait             it's tabs vs. pills
17:35 cait             should we change the bug description now?
17:34 cait             I still got that ERM patch... ;)
17:34 cait             just got back from dinner, give me a minute
17:33 ashimema         I'd love to see that pushed tonight 😜
17:33 ashimema         Add your line to the tabs bug Cait.. you know you want to
17:33 cait             ashimema++
17:32 cait             the last metres, we can do it! :)
17:31 * cait           sends cookies to all
17:07 kidclamp         cait++
16:51 ashimema         in the end we get a good result though right 🙂
16:51 oleonard         I think you and I were both equally opinionated :)
16:51 ashimema         thankyou so much for bearing with me being an ass on that one.
16:51 ashimema         fantastic work
16:50 ashimema         I love the new tabs oleonard!
16:50 oleonard         Yes, it's the sense that there are little problems hiding everywhere
16:49 ashimema         anyone else starting to feel rather fatigued by all this UI rush around.
16:43 ashimema         lol
16:43 cait             :P
16:43 cait             oh go away and pqa that
16:43 ashimema         cait has been stealing all my time 😜
16:42 cait             i got to leave for a bit (dinner)
16:42 ashimema         oop.. not yet
16:42 huginn`          04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31759 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Tabs vs Pills
16:42 oleonard         So anyway... ashimema did you try the patch I put on Bug 31759?
16:41 cait             the item form in cataloguing
16:41 ashimema         I almost never look at acq 😜
16:40 ashimema         normal item form?
16:38 cait             then we could make it a separate bug for sure
16:38 cait             can you check if hte normla item form has the same issue?
16:38 cait             https://snipboard.io/Nc5LXI.jpg
16:37 ashimema         it all depends on screen size
16:37 ashimema         wide screen
16:37 cait             it doesn't do that for me...
16:37 ashimema         how is that more broken than the whole form randomly going half way accross the screen
16:37 cait             not the input fields snuggling to the labels
16:37 cait             it should look like the normal item form
16:36 cait             and that's broken
16:36 cait             yes
16:36 ashimema         so that's master without patch
16:36 cait             ashimema: the catalog with UseACQFrameworkForBiblioRecords didn't look super great before too
16:36 * ashimema       uploaded an image: (52KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/NHpjrcwkSjoavDwlvIfUozga/screenshot-mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk-2022.11.10-16_35_56.png >
16:36 cait             oleonard: this one or the items tab?
16:36 cait             but there might be an additional issue with UseACQFrameworkForBiblioRecords
16:35 oleonard         I'm so confused.
16:35 cait             I think the patch fixes what it was supposed to fix (look at the item form without it...)
16:35 cait             ok right
16:34 ashimema         i am full screen 😜
16:34 ashimema         ok.. ignore that whitespace.. that's the old UI and is perhaps a data thing on that other server
16:34 cait             hm it doesn't do that for me (the new screenshot)
16:34 cait             the alignments are ok i'd say - but look at it full creen
16:34 * ashimema       uploaded an image: (78KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WjmJzkukZztJuNhUSFlWDTkc/screenshot-mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk-2022.11.10-16_33_34.png >
16:33 cait             i'd see that as a separate issue
16:33 cait             there is too much white space above your item form - I don't see that, because I don't have hidden any fields
16:33 ashimema         I'm using the ptfs-e demo data
16:33 ashimema         pass.
16:32 ashimema         in summary.. I like the way the account details looks.. other forms on that page seem all over the place
16:32 cait             that could be another issue
16:32 cait             I have the stnadard one
16:32 cait             you are using the ACQ framework for catalog details
16:32 cait             aah
16:31 ashimema         before the refresh is looked like https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=143641
16:31 ashimema         new order empty
16:31 oleonard         On what page?
16:30 * ashimema       uploaded an image: (46KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YKfqrDJIoNtKYwBUljwLwsth/screenshot-mrdev-zebra-staff.koha-ptfs.co.uk-2022.11.10-16_30_13.png >
16:30 cait             screenshot?
16:30 cait             me neither
16:29 oleonard         I don't understand what you're talking about
16:29 * ashimema       used to like that the inputs aligned before the style refresh
16:29 cait             there are some things happening when you squish... i chose to ignore them riht now
16:29 cait             are you looking full screen?
16:29 cait             they look ok for me?
16:28 ashimema         man I find this page a bit hugly in general now
16:28 cait             32042 is mean
16:28 ashimema         we're OK with the 'interesting' alignment of 'catalog details' ?
16:28 oleonard         What's up
16:28 cait             the statistics misalignment, the form and the items list (you need to add some to see)
16:28 cait             ashimema: we are fixing 3 things
16:28 cait             32042 is.... confusing
16:27 ashimema         so we're only fixing the item form here
16:27 cait             oleonard: help?!
16:27 cait             hm I got burnt by the items tab now too
16:25 ashimema         my brain is burnt..
16:25 ashimema         hmm
16:14 cait             you can't see it, but we got a pretty sunset colored sky here right now
16:10 cait             tcohen: looking at 8948 now - which is the other you need?
16:09 cait             ok done :)
16:07 ashimema         🙂
16:07 cait             ashimema: another follow-up incoming - page sectioning the item list on this page
16:06 oleonard         :D
16:05 ashimema         think I need to close some tabs..
16:05 ashimema         hmm.. my system is crashing here..
16:05 ashimema         oh cool.. it's been reworked since I looked this morning 🙂
16:04 ashimema         sure
16:02 cait             ashimema: are you on something or could you glance over 31819 for me? just so
15:57 cait             I'll try that, thx!
15:57 oleonard         Put it on its own line <li><span class="label"></span><div class="hint...
15:56 oleonard         Oh right, I wasn't even reading
15:56 cait             suggestions welcome
15:56 * cait           ponders
15:55 cait             because it says: the 2 following fields
15:55 cait             hm here it makes no sense
15:55 oleonard         Yes, the div needs to be after the input
15:55 cait             it appears it's the div with the hint breaking display
15:54 cait             https://paste.koha-community.org/18379
15:53 cait             oleonard: do you see by chance what the fix for the statistic fields on new order form would be to make them align?
15:48 cait             was going to look at 31819 next
15:48 cait             not yet!
15:47 huginn`          04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32046 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , When adding a new records from a staged files, there are style issues
15:47 oleonard         cait: Did you see my idea for Bug 32046?
15:47 cait             32073
15:47 cait             tcohen: done
15:44 tcohen           until I push and request the 'last string extraction'
15:43 tcohen           you have like 4 hours
15:43 tcohen           yeah, fix those strings
15:43 tcohen           ok
15:43 cait             yes, working through what happened while i wa sgone earlier right now
15:43 tcohen           there are two things in PQA, one of them waiting for a comment from cait
15:43 cait             i was about to file it separately :)
15:43 cait             <input type="submit" class="btn btn-primary" value="Cancel and Transfer all" />
15:43 cait             tcohen: so yould i sneak in a capitalization fix into the bug i am testing right now?
15:42 tcohen           he said incremental update will run super fast
15:42 cait             ERM?
15:42 tcohen           :-D
15:42 tcohen           well, two
15:42 tcohen           bgkriegel didn't announce it for a reason, there's one more thing I'll push
15:41 cait             I think it was similar last time... but that's going to take a bit
15:41 cait                 7.500
15:40 cait             i can see the 22.11 translatoin files on pootle
15:40 cait             or just a little blind... despite new glasses?
15:40 caroline         ever the optimist cait :)
15:39 cait             i overread the not
15:39 cait             ah, not reasonable
15:39 ashimema         0.1 -> 0.5 per records is not a reasonable increase
15:39 cait             if you want to load 1.7 million...
15:39 ashimema         indeed
15:39 cait             it depends
15:39 caroline         It reassures me that it's not just me... 14 hours is not reasonable for migrations
15:36 caroline         I just did a comparison of all the clients I did in 2021 and 2022 so far and it went from 0.1sec/record to 0.5sec/record
15:36 cait             if you look for bulkmarcimport
15:36 cait             there are some patches arund for fixing some things I think
15:35 ashimema         our data team has complained a few times.. but I've not managed to get to the bottom of it
15:35 caroline         database
15:35 caroline         no just straight up importing in an empty
15:35 ashimema         bulkmarcimport has been getting slower and slower for some time
15:35 ashimema         yes
15:35 cait             did you do any matching?
15:32 caroline         I imported 108000 biblio records last night and it took 14 hours! I compared with another client I did in 2021 and it took 7 hours for 137000 records
15:31 caroline         Does anyone else find that bulkmarcimport is slower?
15:27 cait             hello
15:27 paulderscheid[m] Hi cait
15:18 * cait           waves
14:54 tcohen           it means we don't need to tweak our yarn commands so things are picked from a separate dir
14:49 paulderscheid[m] Seems logical tcohen
14:45 tcohen           if it doesn't find /kohadevbox/koha/node_modules, it will try on the parent dir
14:45 tcohen           we don't need to pass any extra parameters, even
14:45 tcohen           it seems that it is all about having /kohadevbox/node-modules
14:44 tcohen           paulderscheid[m], ashimema, Joubu https://nodejs.org/api/modules.html#modules_loading_from_node_modules_folders
14:28 tuxayo           I though it was only about code repo.
14:27 tuxayo           Is this at all a bad practice when using premade containers for development and CI? That's the point of them.
14:27 tuxayo           > This may be one of the cases where one could break the "rules"
14:14 paulderscheid[m] Koha, as always, has special needs for everything :D
14:11 paulderscheid[m] I think your discussed approach is the way to go. When joubu asked me I had an allergic overreaction to shipped node_modules ^^
14:10 paulderscheid[m] But that's not a problem for the vast majority of devs
14:09 ashimema         the native bindings arguament
14:09 ashimema         hmm.. that one I didn't think about..
14:09 * ashimema       needs to go have a swim before he loses his chance to today
14:09 paulderscheid[m] The only thing that could be a problem is with packages that have native bindings like node-sass
14:08 ashimema         and is why we don't commit the build dir
14:08 paulderscheid[m] You're right
14:08 ashimema         that I am firmly against
14:08 ashimema         I think the rules are more around having deps shipped inside the codebase.. which this isn't
14:07 paulderscheid[m] This may be one of the cases where one could break the "rules"
14:07 ashimema         instead of every single time someone does a `ktd up` having to pull the whole stack you'd have it there waiting
14:06 ashimema         my gut said use `--frozen-lockfile` at first but Joubu's idea didn't seem back.. it would save round trips
14:06 ashimema         not sure what the difference is between running 'yarn install --frozen-lockfile' and not yarn install but having the locked dependancies in a module dir already
14:05 ashimema         and we require those dependencies for tests to run..
14:05 ashimema         the point of the image is to allow getting up and running for development quickly..
14:05 ashimema         indeed
14:04 tcohen           heh
14:04 tcohen           isn't it like shipping yarn or even nodejs on the image?
14:04 tcohen           but not on the project but on the tools we use
14:04 paulderscheid[m] Depending on how you look at it it's additional bloat
14:03 tcohen           can't we have a cache on the image?
14:02 paulderscheid[m] Shipping node_modules is node bad practice 101
14:01 paulderscheid[m] In my humble opinion the image should be shipped with the distribution without dev and optional deps (and clean yarn cache) and if devs want to work on any vue projects there could be a flag on the wrapper that installs all deps when starting the container.
13:57 tcohen           paulderscheid[m]: ?
13:55 Joubu            but paulderscheid[m] told me it wasn"t a good idea
13:55 Joubu            --modules-folder*
13:55 Joubu            I suggested somthing on  https://tree.taiga.io/project/joubu-koha-erm/us/127
13:48 ashimema         need some food, then can come back to it.
13:47 ashimema         so no movement from me yet
13:47 ashimema         I got distracted away
13:47 ashimema         was contemplating lunch
13:47 ashimema         sorry
13:47 ashimema         oop
13:34 tcohen           is anyone working on putting node v14 on KTD?
13:34 tcohen           any consensus? things that need to be done or have already bene?
13:34 tcohen           ashimema, Joubu saw some discussion about nodejs workflow
13:06 tuxayo           ok good, meeting was moved to next week.
13:06 tuxayo           LOL
13:06 tuxayo           > Joke's on tuxayo, we all forgot XD
12:55 tuxayo           oleonard: the terminal output of starting ktd
12:51 oleonard         I don't know what Docker keeps
12:50 oleonard         Not my Koha logs, no
12:49 tuxayo           oleonard: Do you still have your logs? I case there is something interesting.
12:49 tuxayo           hi #koha :)
12:32 marcelr          o/
12:28 oleonard         I wonder if Elasticsearch is to blame... I usually skip it
12:21 oleonard         Second day in a row Docker has just died randomly...
11:17 oleonard         morning
11:14 ashimema         morning
11:14 tcohen           morning
09:34 ashimema         hmm, sounds a little odd.. especially if search is generally working in the OPAC
09:31 tundunf          no worries, I just thought I'd ask if it was a more general issue before raising it with support :)
09:30 tundunf          yes it's Elasticsearch, the search is working fine in our OPAC
09:27 cait             I haven't seen issues reported, but I have seen this general error a few times
09:27 cait             can you perform the same search in OPAC ok?
09:27 cait             are you using Elasticsearch?
09:26 tundunf          we keep getting this error: Error: Unable to perform your search. Please try again.
09:26 tundunf          idk if by any chance anyone else has reported any issues searching the Koha catalogue in the staff interface?
09:16 cait             morning tundunf :)
09:16 ashimema         morning tundunf
09:12 * cait           waves hello
08:51 tundunf          hi everyone
08:50 Joubu            ashimema: most of the time, when you "yarn add", it will generate a "*from* this version" line: "^1.2.3"
08:34 ashimema         Hmm, I should check what package.json looks like in our repo.. I have a suspicion we've got some unspecified versions in there.. which is why yarn is pulling in new versions all the time.
08:25 Joubu            ha! I misread and miss the 'save'
08:25 ashimema         Anywho.. school run and things now. Will be back
08:25 ashimema         That's what I meant by the above.. if we stick it in the image we don't need to pull
08:24 ashimema         Indeed
08:24 ashimema         Yeah, the manual isn't bad
08:20 Joubu            ashimema: no need to pull if it's part of the image!
08:19 Joubu            I was trying to find resources about best practices in the node ecosystem, but didn't find anything relevant. RTFM and read the yarn doc is much more useful
08:18 ashimema         Thats an idea.. would save the overhead of pull at each startup
08:18 Joubu            we could embed our 'frozen' node_modules folder in ktd
08:17 Joubu            isn't it what we need for ktd actually?
08:17 Joubu            yarn install --modules-folder <path>
08:17 ashimema         Exactly
08:17 ashimema         My suggestion is we use that flag in automated runs . And encourage a process of running without it at regular intervals to get updates. Check they're solid and then commit the updated lockfile
08:16 Joubu            we need to 2 modes, one for testing, another one for dev
08:16 ashimema         Agreed
08:16 Joubu            ashimema: yes, we need to provide a "frozen" yarn.lock, but otoh we want to keep going and go with new versions
08:15 ashimema         --frozen-lockfile
08:14 Joubu            ashimema: about the wiki page, don't forget that there is the taiga wiki as well. I am not against using the community wiki but then we should link each other and prevent info to be scattered across different sources
08:14 ashimema         I need to re-read up on things..
08:14 ashimema         I assumed there would be a flag to use with install that pulled pinned versions listed in the lock file
08:10 Joubu            I got things broken some random mornings and it's really upsetting when "it was working last night" and you didn't change anything, but some other people decided to break it.
08:08 Joubu            maybe I am misunderstand how nodejs apps are supposed to be published in dev mode, that's possible.
08:08 Joubu            yarn install will generate the node_modules dir, and pull the packages. At a given point the versions will be ok to generate the dist file. We would like to "freeze" that, for further builds. Until we decide to upgrade to new versions
08:06 Joubu            if a package is updated during the night, your vue app may be broken, just because something changed somewhere
08:05 Joubu            it's slow, and we may get regression because of package update. We want to have hand on how the dist file is generated
08:05 Joubu            ashimema: it's not clear to me how/when yarn install should be run
08:04 ashimema         breakfast now.. bbiab
08:04 ashimema         so we have somewhere to point people other than the mailing list thread
08:04 ashimema         I was going to write a little page like https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_SCSS_in_the_OPAC_and_staff_interface for the vue stuff today
08:04 ashimema         my feeling is it's right that we pushed it for string freeze.. now between us we need to get it solid for testing/dev/workflows 🙂
08:03 ashimema         the final push kinda crept up on me I must admit.. it's great to see it in and the code is sound.. but these "little" workflow things need ironing out..
08:02 ashimema         agreed.. we certainly do
08:02 ashimema         what puts you off running yarn install?
08:02 Joubu            we need to discuss the workflow first anyway
08:02 Joubu            ashimema: I don't think I will have time for koha-sandboxes-docker, but that's no high priority for now (won't be able to test *new* patches, but if we build in misc4dev we are good for testing existing master in sandboxes)
08:00 ashimema         Thanks for working through that Joubu.. it was top of my list to look in to this morning 🙂
07:51 alex_            Bonjour
07:34 Joubu            tcohen, ashimema: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev/-/merge_requests/53/diffs - I think this is simply what we need
07:23 Joubu            tcohen, ashimema: see https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-misc4dev/-/issues/56 and https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-sandboxes-docker/-/issues/75
07:19 Joubu            tcohen, PedroAmorim[m]: With 32154 32161 32162 32163 TestBuilder.t is green now!
07:06 reiveune         hello
06:38 huginn`          Joubu: The operation succeeded.
06:38 Joubu            @later tell tcohen dbic returns diff on IdentityProvider about default_value on config and mapping
00:44 lukeg            cait: I just noticed I can only make the console error appear in Firefox