IRC log for #koha, 2021-12-09

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06:20 reiveune hello
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07:32 alex_a Bonjour
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08:57 cait1 good morning #koha
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09:36 fridolin Bug 1234
09:36 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching
09:36 fridolin jsut a test
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11:32 AnkeB Hi, does anyone know if running always requires a full zebra rebuild, or is there a way to do it incrementally?
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11:44 tcohen hola #koha
11:48 cait AnkeB: I am not sure if it updates/creates entries in zebraqueue ... but for Elasticsearch it might not require a reindex?
11:49 cait kidclamp: maybe you could help? bulkmarcimport and reindexing?
11:55 AnkeB Thanks - currently we use Zebra so we need to know for zebra. Perhaps the indexer daemon simply doesn't get an information when a record has been updated unless it was done over the staff interface?
12:01 ashimema I don't believe bulkmarcimport adds to zebraqueue
12:01 tcohen it doesn't
12:01 ashimema that's a deliberate thing I believe.. as it's meant for migrations really..
12:01 ashimema however...
12:01 tcohen does
12:01 ashimema yup
12:01 ashimema you could use stage_file + commit_file for that use case
12:02 ashimema it's also worth taking a look at bug 29440
12:02 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Refactor/clean up
12:04 ashimema it quietly adds 'defer_search_engine_indexing' as an option to bulkmarcimport
12:04 ashimema which prevents elastic indexing so you can do a bulk index after import
12:04 ashimema ES and Zebra are too distinct right now.. we should really clean the functionality up
12:05 tcohen lets move indexing to a background task
12:05 ashimema deffo
12:05 ashimema it's on Joubu's list isn't it
12:05 tcohen the ES part it is done
12:05 ashimema in fact.. didn't I already review that stuff and it was blocked by a bunch of things I think we've now done to improve the background worker pool
12:05 tcohen I was going to joke 'if only someone would do it'
12:06 * ashimema still likes how refined our zebra indexing daemon has got
12:07 ashimema I still somewhat wonder about having ES indexing happening in the general task queue is a good idea.. it feels like an important enough process that it should get it's own monitored thing
12:07 ashimema but.. I suppose that could still happen using the existing worker pool stuff
12:07 ashimema now we have that
12:07 tcohen worker pool?
12:08 ashimema as in.. we need to ensure we have enough 'workers' to take on the 'tasks'..
12:08 ashimema else a 'bulk modification' could result in a complete staff of regular indexing
12:08 tcohen we could make koha-indexer deal with this, right?
12:08 ashimema for example
12:08 wahanui i think for example is not fixed
12:09 ashimema Joubu's code all relied on the background tasks stuff
12:09 oleonard wahanui: forget for example
12:09 wahanui oleonard: I forgot for example
12:09 ashimema and that, at the time of writing, basically only allowed for one worker doing a fifo grab from the list of tasks
12:15 cait1 AnkeB: for Zebra every record when changed gets added tot he zebraqueue table
12:16 cait1 just to explain - then the indexer looks at that for which records needs to be indexed and updated the 'done' column once done
12:16 cait1 we think that the bulkmarcimport script doesn't add to the table
12:16 cait1 if you have a list of bibionumbers, you might be able to tell the indexer to only index those... or what we sometimes do is add the entries to zebraqueue with SQL
12:17 cait1 when we do bulk updates for items with SQL for example, I have some statements to add entiries to zebraqueue for reindexing the ones I have touched
12:22 tcohen you can use wit ha specially crafted --where parameter to enqueue those records
12:23 cait1 oh that's nice too
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12:46 jzairo hello!
12:49 AnkeB Thanks everybody, this is really helpful!
13:01 * oleonard remembers having a reason for not doing authors as part of Bug 27613 but now doesn't remember what it was
13:01 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , Pipe separated online resource links are hard to customize
13:02 cait1 oleonard: maybe because the xslt is quite scary?
13:02 oleonard Yes probably!
13:02 wahanui probably is too hard.
13:02 cait1 it's in utils I think
13:03 oleonard thanks wahanui probably is too hard
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15:51 * oleonard-away bbl
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16:18 davidnind1 Slept in for my own meeting,,,,
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16:22 cait1 oh no :(
16:22 cait1 i missed the docs meeting too
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16:27 davidnind and computer problems...
16:29 davidnind well after all that I think it will be better to defer unless the doc team members are around
16:29 cait1 i am still here
16:30 cait1 not sure about others
16:30 davidnind lucyvh was
16:31 davidnind caroline was training today
16:32 davidnind very annoyed with myself :-(
16:32 cait1 it happens, I should have set myself an alarm too
16:32 cait1 got lost in this data I am working on
16:32 cait1 maybe just reschedule? I'll try to make it
16:32 cait1 I wanted to bring up bug 29063
16:32 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences
16:36 davidnind that sounds pretty major
16:37 davidnind is it for all of them or just some?
17:01 davidnind weird, I have to approve my own messages when posting to koha-docs...
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17:06 cait1 davidnind: sorry, got a delivery - I think the schema was used for all prefernces... so the problem is for all prefernces files too
17:06 cait1 i stopped translation to German because of that
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17:09 davidnind thanks cait1 - I will have a look into it and see if we can get it fixed as soon as possible
17:17 cait1 thanks davidnind - maybe good to discuss, i think different directions we could fix this
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17:32 tcohen hola
17:32 wahanui hola, tcohen
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20:15 davidnind cait: happy to discuss bug 29063 whenever you have time
20:15 davidnind just to make sure I've understand it corrrectly (for the manual):
20:15 davidnind - previously you would get something like 'Don't use' and 'Use' as separate strings to translate
20:15 davidnind - that way you can translate using the right word, depending on the reset of the sentence
20:15 davidnind - but now you are getting 'Don't use Use' as one string to translate
20:15 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences
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21:02 kellym hello
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21:04 davidnind hi kellym!
21:05 kellym hello davidnind
21:07 kellym did I miss the meeting?  I am very bad at UTC time
21:07 davidnind you didn't - feeling very embarrassed as I slept in.. which was not great!
21:08 kellym goodness what time is it there- dare I ask?
21:08 davidnind 5am - I'm normally awake then so it it would not normally be a problem!
21:10 fridolin kellym: we use a lot
21:11 davidnind I'm always confused by US time zones - are the main ones ET and PT?
21:11 kellym I should bookmark that!
21:11 kellym yes, but there is also Central and Mountain
21:11 fridolin you can bookmark 2 clocks
21:12 fridolin in europe there is DST, it is hell
21:12 * fridolin in Tahiti UTC-10 (and 30°C)
21:15 kellym Tahiti sounds nice
21:15 fridolin piouf USA is complexe, there are 6 TZ
21:16 fridolin why is it not "Atlantic Time Zone" for Eastern TZ :D
21:16 davidnind must make it fun in the US organising meetings
21:17 kellym totally fun
21:18 fridolin and for servers sync ^^
21:18 kellym #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions
21:18 kellym I can’t even imagine, thankfully we have a rocking systems team to do that ;)
21:18 davidnind excellent!
21:18 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
21:19 fridolin i actually work in my evening to catch France morning, they are in tomorrow for me
21:19 fridolin Google Calendar is a good help, it shows both TZ
21:20 fridolin we pacific poeple like to live slowly, in the past ^^
21:22 davidnind were always in the future here in New Zealand, just about everyone else is in the past:)
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22:02 fridolin https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_22_December_2021
22:02 fridolin I've followed instructions to edit last meeting page with irc logs and created next meeting for 22
22:03 fridolin seeee you there
22:05 fridolin !help
22:05 davidnind fridolin++
22:06 fridolin davidnind: i dont have permission to add to Google Calendar, do you ?
22:07 davidnind I don't - I think it is Joubu, ashimema, and caroline
22:07 fridolin oki thanks
22:08 fridolin davidnind: and how do you use "tell later" please ^^ ?
22:08 davidnind are you happy top have a documentation update at the meeting? apologies for not making the last one..
22:08 cait Hi fridolin - did you use Joubu's script or all manual?
22:08 davidnind @later tell fridolin a message
22:08 huginn` davidnind: The operation succeeded.
22:09 fridolin yep for doc update
22:09 fridolin ah thanks
22:09 fridolin cait: script ?
22:09 wahanui hmmm... script is so darn hard coded and sequential in the first place it was a nightmare to make some of it work with notices
22:09 cait yes
22:09 fridolin where is it ?
22:09 cait it's all automated
22:09 cait best if you ask Joubu or maybe ashimema
22:09 cait it also adds the 'actions from last meeting' in
22:09 fridolin sure, thanks
22:10 cait and i think we maybe want to updatte the template used for the docs update
22:10 fridolin i bet
22:10 cait it's possible :)
22:12 fridolin @later tell Joubu can you give me a hand on and permissions to edit calendar and this repo (thanks a lot)
22:12 huginn` fridolin: The operation succeeded.
22:12 fridolin rocks !
22:15 cait and if there is old information on the wiki, we should probably update it
22:15 cait it never ends, right?
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22:25 fridolin sure
22:26 cait fridolin: hope to get the bug clean-up done next week - stlil on my list
22:26 fridolin yep when you can

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