Time  Nick            Message
22:26 fridolin        yep when you can
22:26 cait            fridolin: hope to get the bug clean-up done next week - stlil on my list
22:25 fridolin        sure
22:15 cait            it never ends, right?
22:15 cait            and if there is old information on the wiki, we should probably update it
22:12 fridolin        rocks !
22:12 huginn`         fridolin: The operation succeeded.
22:12 fridolin        @later tell Joubu can you give me a hand on https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-meetings and permissions to edit calendar and this repo (thanks a lot)
22:10 cait            it's possible :)
22:10 fridolin        https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-meetings i bet
22:10 cait            and i think we maybe want to updatte the template used for the docs update
22:09 fridolin        sure, thanks
22:09 cait            it also adds the 'actions from last meeting' in
22:09 cait            best if you ask Joubu or maybe ashimema
22:09 cait            it's all automated
22:09 fridolin        where is it ?
22:09 cait            yes
22:09 wahanui         hmmm... script is so darn hard coded and sequential in the first place it was a nightmare to make some of it work with notices
22:09 fridolin        cait: script ?
22:09 fridolin        ah thanks
22:09 fridolin        yep for doc update
22:08 huginn`         davidnind: The operation succeeded.
22:08 davidnind       @later tell fridolin a message
22:08 cait            Hi fridolin - did you use Joubu's script or all manual?
22:08 davidnind       are you happy top have a documentation update at the meeting? apologies for not making the last one..
22:08 fridolin        davidnind: and how do you use "tell later" please ^^ ?
22:07 fridolin        oki thanks
22:07 davidnind       I don't - I think it is Joubu, ashimema, and caroline
22:06 fridolin        davidnind: i dont have permission to add to Google Calendar, do you ?
22:05 davidnind       fridolin++
22:05 fridolin        !help
22:03 fridolin        seeee you there
22:02 fridolin        I've followed instructions to edit last meeting page with irc logs and created next meeting for 22
22:02 fridolin        https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_22_December_2021
21:22 davidnind       were always in the future here in New Zealand, just about everyone else is in the past:)
21:20 fridolin        we pacific poeple like to live slowly, in the past ^^
21:19 fridolin        Google Calendar is a good help, it shows both TZ
21:19 fridolin        i actually work in my evening to catch France morning, they are in tomorrow for me
21:18 wahanui         darn tootin' it is.
21:18 davidnind       excellent!
21:18 kellym          I can’t even imagine, thankfully we have a rocking systems team to do that ;)
21:18 kellym          #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions
21:18 fridolin        and for servers sync ^^
21:17 kellym          totally fun
21:16 davidnind       must make it fun in the US organising meetings
21:16 fridolin        why is it not "Atlantic Time Zone" for Eastern TZ :D
21:15 fridolin        https://24timezones.com/us_clock/usa_time.php piouf USA is complexe, there are 6 TZ
21:15 kellym          Tahiti sounds nice
21:12 * fridolin      in Tahiti UTC-10 (and 30°C)
21:12 fridolin        in europe there is DST, it is hell
21:11 fridolin        you can bookmark 2 clocks
21:11 kellym          yes, but there is also Central and Mountain
21:11 kellym          I should bookmark that!
21:11 davidnind       I'm always confused by US time zones - are the main ones ET and PT?
21:10 fridolin        kellym: we use a lot https://24timezones.com
21:08 davidnind       5am - I'm normally awake then so it it would not normally be a problem!
21:08 kellym          goodness what time is it there- dare I ask?
21:07 davidnind       you didn't - feeling very embarrassed as I slept in.. which was not great!
21:07 kellym          did I miss the meeting?  I am very bad at UTC time
21:05 kellym          hello davidnind
21:04 davidnind       hi kellym!
21:02 kellym          hello
20:15 huginn`         Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences
20:15 davidnind       - but now you are getting 'Don't use Use' as one string to translate
20:15 davidnind       - that way you can translate using the right word, depending on the reset of the sentence
20:15 davidnind       - previously you would get something like 'Don't use' and 'Use' as separate strings to translate
20:15 davidnind       just to make sure I've understand it corrrectly (for the manual):
20:15 davidnind       cait: happy to discuss bug 29063 whenever you have time
17:32 wahanui         hola, tcohen
17:32 tcohen          hola
17:29 reiveune        bye
17:17 cait1           thanks davidnind - maybe good to discuss, i think different directions we could fix this
17:09 davidnind       thanks cait1 - I will have a look into it and see if we can get it fixed as soon as possible
17:06 cait1           i stopped translation to German because of that
17:06 cait1           davidnind: sorry, got a delivery - I think the schema was used for all prefernces... so the problem is for all prefernces files too
17:01 davidnind       weird, I have to approve my own messages when posting to koha-docs...
16:37 davidnind       is it for all of them or just some?
16:36 davidnind       that sounds pretty major
16:32 huginn`         Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences
16:32 cait1           I wanted to bring up bug 29063
16:32 cait1           maybe just reschedule? I'll try to make it
16:32 cait1           got lost in this data I am working on
16:32 cait1           it happens, I should have set myself an alarm too
16:32 davidnind       very annoyed with myself :-(
16:31 davidnind       caroline was training today
16:30 davidnind       lucyvh was
16:30 cait1           not sure about others
16:29 cait1           i am still here
16:29 davidnind       well after all that I think it will be better to defer unless the doc team members are around
16:27 davidnind       and computer problems...
16:22 cait1           i missed the docs meeting too
16:22 cait1           oh no :(
16:18 davidnind1      Slept in for my own meeting,,,,
15:51 * oleonard-away bbl
13:03 oleonard        thanks wahanui probably is too hard
13:02 cait1           it's in utils I think
13:02 wahanui         probably is too hard.
13:02 oleonard        Yes probably!
13:02 cait1           oleonard: maybe because the xslt is quite scary?
13:01 huginn`         Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , Pipe separated online resource links are hard to customize
13:01 * oleonard      remembers having a reason for not doing authors as part of Bug 27613 but now doesn't remember what it was
12:49 AnkeB           Thanks everybody, this is really helpful!
12:46 jzairo          hello!
12:23 cait1           oh that's nice too
12:22 tcohen          you can use touch_all_biblios.pl wit ha specially crafted --where parameter to enqueue those records
12:17 cait1           when we do bulk updates for items with SQL for example, I have some statements to add entiries to zebraqueue for reindexing the ones I have touched
12:16 cait1           if you have a list of bibionumbers, you might be able to tell the indexer to only index those... or what we sometimes do is add the entries to zebraqueue with SQL
12:16 cait1           we think that the bulkmarcimport script doesn't add to the table
12:16 cait1           just to explain - then the indexer looks at that for which records needs to be indexed and updated the 'done' column once done
12:15 cait1           AnkeB: for Zebra every record when changed gets added tot he zebraqueue table
12:09 ashimema        and that, at the time of writing, basically only allowed for one worker doing a fifo grab from the list of tasks
12:09 wahanui         oleonard: I forgot for example
12:09 oleonard        wahanui: forget for example
12:09 ashimema        Joubu's code all relied on the background tasks stuff
12:08 wahanui         i think for example is not fixed
12:08 ashimema        for example
12:08 tcohen          we could make koha-indexer deal with this, right?
12:08 ashimema        else a 'bulk modification' could result in a complete staff of regular indexing
12:08 ashimema        as in.. we need to ensure we have enough 'workers' to take on the 'tasks'..
12:07 tcohen          worker pool?
12:07 ashimema        now we have that
12:07 ashimema        but.. I suppose that could still happen using the existing worker pool stuff
12:07 ashimema        I still somewhat wonder about having ES indexing happening in the general task queue is a good idea.. it feels like an important enough process that it should get it's own monitored thing
12:06 * ashimema      still likes how refined our zebra indexing daemon has got
12:05 tcohen          I was going to joke 'if only someone would do it'
12:05 ashimema        in fact.. didn't I already review that stuff and it was blocked by a bunch of things I think we've now done to improve the background worker pool
12:05 tcohen          the ES part it is done
12:05 ashimema        it's on Joubu's list isn't it
12:05 ashimema        deffo
12:05 tcohen          lets move indexing to a background task
12:04 ashimema        ES and Zebra are too distinct right now.. we should really clean the functionality up
12:04 ashimema        which prevents elastic indexing so you can do a bulk index after import
12:04 ashimema        it quietly adds 'defer_search_engine_indexing' as an option to bulkmarcimport
12:02 huginn`         Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Refactor/clean up bulkmarcimport.pl
12:02 ashimema        it's also worth taking a look at bug 29440
12:01 ashimema        you could use stage_file + commit_file for that use case
12:01 ashimema        yup
12:01 tcohen          commit_file.pl does
12:01 ashimema        however...
12:01 ashimema        that's a deliberate thing I believe.. as it's meant for migrations really..
12:01 tcohen          it doesn't
12:01 ashimema        I don't believe bulkmarcimport adds to zebraqueue
11:55 AnkeB           Thanks - currently we use Zebra so we need to know for zebra. Perhaps the indexer daemon simply doesn't get an information when a record has been updated unless it was done over the staff interface?
11:49 cait            kidclamp: maybe you could help? bulkmarcimport and reindexing?
11:48 cait            AnkeB: I am not sure if it updates/creates entries in zebraqueue ... but for Elasticsearch it might not require a reindex?
11:44 tcohen          hola #koha
11:32 AnkeB           Hi, does anyone know if running bulkmarcimport.pl always requires a full zebra rebuild, or is there a way to do it incrementally?
09:36 fridolin        jsut a test
09:36 huginn`         Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching
09:36 fridolin        Bug 1234
08:57 cait1           good morning #koha
07:32 alex_a          Bonjour
06:20 reiveune        hello