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tuxayo |
dcook: |
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tuxayo |
> I have some thoughts on CPAN and Carton. I'll email the listserv about it. |
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tuxayo |
I'll try to not miss this :) |
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tuxayo |
Ho, it's already there! |
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dcook |
Oh yeah haha |
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dcook |
Of course, I always have a million thoughts about everything |
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ashimema |
Morning |
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ashimema |
dcook still around? |
| 06:20 |
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dcook |
Sure am |
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dcook |
ashimema: ^ |
| 06:21 |
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ashimema |
Nice to see you around so much at the moment. :) |
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ashimema |
Didn't realise I used ellipses.. oops |
| 06:21 |
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dcook |
Yeah it's nice to be around ^_^ |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
Brain going fast 24/7 but all good |
| 06:22 |
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ashimema |
As for how Joubu is funded.. he's not on contract as such.. though we do ocassionaly also cint act work to him on top |
| 06:22 |
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dcook |
I suppose I'm partially curious from a business/accounting perspective |
| 06:23 |
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dcook |
I can't remember what else I've asked about. It's been a full on day. |
| 06:23 |
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ashimema |
ByWater, Biblibre and Ptfs-e just have a mutual agreement to keep funding him for a certain amount.. but we deliberately don't steer where he spends that time so he can the freedom to do what's best for community. |
| 06:23 |
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dcook |
For instance: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=20554#c55 |
| 06:23 |
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huginn |
Bug 20554: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, CLOSED FIXED, New OPAC CSS |
| 06:23 |
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dcook |
fontfaceobserver.min.js is coming up as a virus to Symantec Endpoint Protection |
| 06:23 |
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ashimema |
Though he did discus taking in being RM with the three of us breifly before his submissiom |
| 06:23 |
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dcook |
Pretty sure it's a false positive but looks like might be 2 days before Symantec get in touch |
| 06:24 |
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dcook |
That's great that those 3 groups have that agreement. I think it's so valuable having Joubu. |
| 06:24 |
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dcook |
Even when we don't see eye to eye, although lately we've been agreeing a lot. It's weird lol. |
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ashimema |
I agree |
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ashimema |
We also have our differences at times, but we're all adult enough to get over it and move on. |
| 06:26 |
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ashimema |
Yeah, I just saw your comment about that is being flagged for security.. I wasn't aware of it before |
| 06:26 |
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ashimema |
Very odd |
| 06:27 |
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ashimema |
rangi recently setup a snyk account for Koha.. it goes through a js much like GitHub does these days and looks for security issues in us dependancies.. we should probably start paying more attention to it. |
| 06:28 |
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ashimema |
I've not had enough time if late to concentrate on that area much.. I made the decision to not worry too much about the current failures as they were all in our Dev tools rather than in public facing.. but it's time to get digging on those now I reckon. |
| 06:29 |
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ashimema |
Just about to go r as your systemd email 🙂 |
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dcook |
:D |
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ashimema |
Can wise.. seems we lost the 'test with latest from cpan' Jenkins build.. but I got it added back yesterday. |
| 06:33 |
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dcook |
I do think it's a false positive. I looked at the fontfaceobserver code, which is very brief, and I don't see any obvious issues. |
| 06:33 |
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dcook |
Oh nice |
| 06:33 |
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ashimema |
I must check it actually looks in the right place for the dependancies rather than still using system ones |
| 06:33 |
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ashimema |
Butby ah.. that's a good first step in my mind.. actually using the cpanfile for a test install to check everything still works |
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ashimema |
Grr.. autocorrect doesn't like cpan.. always corrects to can |
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dcook |
Yeah I think that's a good first step too |
| 06:36 |
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dcook |
The funny thing is that I'm switching as many servers as I can over to Debian/Ubuntu these days, so that I can just use Debian packages heh |
| 06:37 |
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dcook |
I'm hoping to soon be almost exclusively using Koha on Debian/Ubuntu in the weeks to come. I will still have 1 RHEL, but that's not the end of the world. |
| 06:38 |
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ashimema |
The packages are nice.. I wish we didn't customise Koha as much as we do at ptfs-e,... We have such a mess of install methods here. |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
I am porting a different Perl system to RHEL 8 soon I hope, and I'm planning to use Carton for its dependencies instead of packaging them all as Debian packages though |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
I hear that... |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
I'm slowly but surely whipping things into shape... |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
And honestly I actually do prefer building RPM packages over Debian packages heh. |
| 06:38 |
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ashimema |
With that move do you think we may finally agree to upping the minimum perl by any chance? |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
Upping the minimum Perl? |
| 06:38 |
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dcook |
OpenSuse is way ahead of Debian with the minimum Perl I think |
| 06:39 |
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ashimema |
I really would love to see us move to a more modern perl and start using some more recent functions |
| 06:39 |
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dcook |
I've usually been the one to complain about Koha because my Perl has been too new heh |
| 06:39 |
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dcook |
Or do you mean in terms of using Carton? |
| 06:39 |
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dcook |
More recent functions? I'm intrigued. |
| 06:39 |
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ashimema |
I think every time I've tried you've thrown in the blocking comment on the bug from memory.. 5.10 is ancient |
| 06:40 |
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dcook |
Hmm that does sound like something I'd do... lol |
| 06:40 |
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dcook |
I think maybe I just mentiond that RHEL 6.x is on 5.10.1 |
| 06:40 |
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dcook |
But RHEL 6 is EOL or about to be EOL |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
30 November 2020 "Maintenance Support or Maintennace Support 2 ends" |
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* ashimema |
would love to see us adopt signatures at some point |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
Ooo does Perl actually have that? |
| 06:41 |
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dcook |
I know old Perl had "prototypes" |
| 06:41 |
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ashimema |
We stopped supported rhel and centos a while ago at ptfs-e |
| 06:42 |
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dcook |
https://perldoc.perl.org/perlsub.html#Signatures |
| 06:42 |
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dcook |
I actually only have the 1 Koha on RHEL. Most of my RHEL experience is with non-Koha apps >_> |
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ashimema |
We had a mix of OS's too for a period but now we're pretty much Debian only.. it justa made life soo much easier. |
| 06:42 |
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dcook |
RHEL 7 still only has 5.14 if I recall correctly. Can't remember about RHEL 8.. |
| 06:42 |
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dcook |
Sooo much easier |
| 06:43 |
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dcook |
I'll be glad when we're almost exclusively on Debian/Ubuntu |
| 06:43 |
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dcook |
I don't mind other OSes as exceptions, but yeah... rather just run with the mainstream |
| 06:43 |
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ashimema |
I'm out of the loop of the rh way these days.. same as Windows for me.. I'm pretty much debain/Ubuntu and arch Linux only now |
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dcook |
Windows is kind of interesting. They just got a "win-get" package installer. |
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ashimema |
I should really force myself to catch my knowledge of windows back up |
| 06:44 |
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dcook |
And they're now shipping a Linux kernel with Windows 10 2004 and using a lightweight virtualization to run that for things like WSL and Docker |
| 06:44 |
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* dcook |
just likes to know lots about lots of things |
| 06:45 |
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* dcook |
glares at the ATMEL microcontroller on his desktop which isn't taking its firmware like it should... |
| 06:45 |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. I reached brain capacity.. now something goes and something else drops out.. haha |
| 06:45 |
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dcook |
haha |
| 06:45 |
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dcook |
I've also recently started to try to learn Korean... put Chinese on hold... |
| 06:45 |
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dcook |
Figure I should revise my French... |
| 06:45 |
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* dcook |
thinks his brain is just going to explode one of these days |
| 06:46 |
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ashimema |
Not good when some of the things going in are kids shows theme tunes that I just can't seem to get back out again.. hahahaha |
| 06:46 |
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dcook |
Actually, speaking of customizations, I have a goal of trying to get the plugin system to a point of usability where I can move a lot of customizations out into plugins |
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dcook |
lol |
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dcook |
I like singing the Paw Patrol theme song to the tune of Yeah Yeah Yeah's Y Control heh |
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reiveune |
hello |
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dcook |
salut reiveune |
| 06:47 |
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dcook |
You came in at an odd time heh |
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ashimema |
Haha.. your only a little way behind me there.. I've been working slowly on that for a while now.. encouraging backporting of plugin and API features where possible and pushing for improvements in that area of code |
| 06:47 |
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dcook |
Trying to remember the French for Paw Patrol... |
| 06:47 |
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ashimema |
Great to have you aboard there |
| 06:47 |
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dcook |
La Pat Patrouille? |
| 06:47 |
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ashimema |
Lol |
| 06:48 |
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dcook |
Nice. I'm glad I'm not alone on the plugin front. |
| 06:48 |
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dcook |
A lot of our local code is actually just plugin type tools I think |
| 06:48 |
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dcook |
And then a lot of the little modifications are things I could probably upstream |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
Keen to work with Tomas to get some sort of RabbitMQ-based task queue system going |
| 06:49 |
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ashimema |
I agree with you.. we need to focus on securing it more and making it a more professional seamless piece.. as well as expanding its capabilities over time |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
I've got a local tool running with it, and I'm going to have some real clients test it out early next week |
| 06:49 |
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ashimema |
I'd love to see Koha become more modular and I see the plugin system as a way to do that.. |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
I reckon so |
| 06:49 |
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dcook |
I actually have a modular framework for authentication that I keep meaning to upstream |
| 06:50 |
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dcook |
And to possibly refactor to be used with Koha plugins... |
| 06:50 |
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ashimema |
I'm more than happy to see a task queue.. I hop I didn't come across too negative on that front last cycle. |
| 06:50 |
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dcook |
I want to upstream my OpenID Connect code but also think it's not perfect. I think mine is much better than the Google OpenID Connect stuff we already have, but... I guess I'm shy |
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dcook |
Oh, I don't think you came across negatively |
| 06:50 |
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ashimema |
I'm just aware that we sometimes try to do the big thing inst as of taking baby steps which are more manageable |
| 06:50 |
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dcook |
In fact, I totally agree |
| 06:51 |
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alex_a |
Bonjour |
| 06:51 |
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wahanui |
kia ora, alex_a |
| 06:51 |
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dcook |
I love that Joubu put in all that effort, but I think it was too big |
| 06:51 |
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dcook |
I think we need to be more willing to do small experiments |
| 06:51 |
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ashimema |
Auth.pm is scary.. that's deffo and area that needs splitting up some time |
| 06:51 |
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dcook |
I'm not scared of Auth.pm anymore, but it needs TLC for sure |
| 06:52 |
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dcook |
I'm actually planning a local Auth.pm mod to do some cool SSO stuff for vendor administration... |
| 06:52 |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. it doesn't scare me.. though I do keep putting off rebasing my shib only code |
| 06:52 |
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ashimema |
I really should do that |
| 06:52 |
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dcook |
I should upstream a pluggable Auth system so that you can change your shib code to use that heh |
| 06:53 |
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ashimema |
I would love that.. I've been meaning to try and make with.pm pluggable for years.. but I've just never had enough time to properly see it through |
| 06:53 |
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dcook |
I figure plugins and the REST API really are good ways forward |
| 06:53 |
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dcook |
I've only tested my framework using my own OpenID Connect code, but it worked pretty well I think |
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dcook |
Not enough hours in the day... |
| 06:53 |
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ashimema |
The challenge I found with Auth is just how different some of the flows end up being. |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
I think I tried to work around that a bit |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
Because really there shouldn't be many flows |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
Actually, that reminds me.. |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
I have a patch waiting to make the session cookie secure |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
We set the session cookie in 12 different places |
| 06:54 |
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dcook |
Like wth... |
| 06:54 |
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ashimema |
Making it pluggable for a bunch of them seemed simple.. but then also supporting plugs for cas, shib and openid which have rather different flows made me back away again |
| 06:55 |
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ashimema |
Yikes |
| 06:55 |
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dcook |
Ah yeah fair |
| 06:55 |
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dcook |
Although I think saml and openidconnect use similar flows? |
| 06:55 |
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dcook |
I've been using Keycloak for a while now, and it's so handy for testing saml and openidconnect auth |
| 06:55 |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. I was trying to keep a fair bit inside Koha.. a think we need to hook lower down to allow the plugins to govern far more of the flow |
| 06:55 |
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dcook |
That's what I was thinking |
| 06:55 |
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ashimema |
Yeah... They're not too far different |
| 06:56 |
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ashimema |
Brill |
| 06:56 |
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dcook |
Like with my model you had do specifically initiate a OpenID Connect login |
| 06:56 |
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dcook |
And that would load the plugin, and then it would just call methods that I had set ahead of time |
| 06:56 |
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dcook |
For login, logged in session set, logout, maybe one or two others |
| 06:57 |
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dcook |
As there are a few times I needed to set session variables.. |
| 06:57 |
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ashimema |
We need to move saml in process.. getting more and more conscious of the issues we have by using headers with the native sp for shib |
| 06:57 |
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dcook |
All takes time though right.. |
| 06:57 |
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ashimema |
Sounds interesting.. happy to take a look when you submit it. 🙂 |
| 06:57 |
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ashimema |
Indeed |
| 06:58 |
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ashimema |
And I'm not entirely sure what stepping stones could be used |
| 06:58 |
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dcook |
stepping stones? |
| 06:58 |
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ashimema |
Just r placing auth.pm on mass is a scary prospect.. we need to somehow work out how to do it piecemeal or in parallel for a while |
| 06:59 |
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dcook |
Yeah I hear that |
| 06:59 |
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dcook |
Hmm.. |
| 06:59 |
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dcook |
Parallel eh.. |
| 06:59 |
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dcook |
The staff client vs OPAC is a natural dividing line |
| 06:59 |
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ashimema |
I.e how do we slowly move from all Auth code in one scary massive module to core Auth code in one place and flows being plugins |
| 07:00 |
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dcook |
One mouthful at a time heh |
| 07:00 |
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dcook |
I think it comes down to priorities |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
While I don't have the time or energy to be RM, I think sometimes if I were RM I would rule with an iron fist... |
| 07:01 |
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ashimema |
Often times in Koha I find it's not the coding that holds me back. It's finding enough people who understand it well enough at the same time to move it through SO and QA.. and doing it in small enough chunks that we can all manage to keep on top of it |
| 07:01 |
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ashimema |
Haha |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
<3 |
| 07:01 |
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cait1 |
dcook: you can try, but iron fist doesn't work when herding cats |
| 07:01 |
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ashimema |
Haha.. community just doesn't work that way.. |
| 07:01 |
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cait1 |
yep |
| 07:01 |
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dcook |
ashimema: So much that. The coding is the easiest part. It's getting that shared understanding and consensus which is so hard. |
| 07:02 |
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dcook |
cait1: Yeah, I tell myself I'd be a pretty ineffectual dictator |
| 07:02 |
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dcook |
Another reason I don't want to rule the world |
| 07:02 |
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dcook |
I'd love to be able to just say "All right. We are just focusing on Auth for the next month." |
| 07:02 |
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magnuse |
\o/ |
| 07:02 |
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ashimema |
We have too many stakeholders with too many different priorities at different times.. so iron fist just doesn't work.. you'd never get enough people on side |
| 07:03 |
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ashimema |
At l art.. that was my opinion.. |
| 07:03 |
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dcook |
I know I have so many competing projects in my mind. I don't know how I'm going to do them all. |
| 07:03 |
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dcook |
Agreed. Kyle persuaded me years ago that there's no way to get a community to focus on 1 priority. |
| 07:03 |
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dcook |
As we just have too many different competing priorities and resource availability |
| 07:03 |
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ashimema |
I'd love to encourage road maps and concerted effort.. |
| 07:04 |
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dcook |
Same |
| 07:04 |
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dcook |
I mean Tomas and I privately have been pumping each other up about RabbitMQ for 19.11 |
| 07:04 |
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dcook |
Not feeling alone is powerful |
| 07:04 |
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dcook |
20.11* |
| 07:04 |
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ashimema |
I opted with just really encouraging more communication between entities and that seed to work well.. we managed to collaborate better last cycle than I feel we have for a while... But it's still pretty scattergun |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
I think that makes sense |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Hmm |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Do we have anywhere that people can flag interests? |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
And people could group together? |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Like I know Tomas, Kyle, you, and I are all interested in plugins, but maybe there are others too |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
And you and I are interested in Auth |
| 07:05 |
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ashimema |
Joubu is working on introducing tiaga |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
Annd Jonathan, Tomas, and I are interested in RabbitMQ.. |
| 07:05 |
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dcook |
On yeah... |
| 07:06 |
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dcook |
Yeah maybe that would work if I looked at it often enough.. |
| 07:06 |
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ashimema |
It's partly about the Devs.. but it's also a bug part about getting their bosses on board so the Devs can actually spend the time |
| 07:06 |
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dcook |
I have so many interests that I sometimes forget my interests.. lol |
| 07:06 |
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ashimema |
It's that piece I've always found hard.. grabbing the boss people |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
^ |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
Yeah, I've been doing work on that front |
| 07:07 |
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ashimema |
I do generally get their support when asked.. but you have to be thoughtful about what your asking |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
Like my latest RabbitMQ work was a POC that had the boss's thumbs up |
| 07:07 |
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ashimema |
Excellent |
| 07:07 |
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wahanui |
darn tootin' it is. |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
But we have a homemade task scheduler which is just... no. So I want to replace it with RabbitMQ |
| 07:07 |
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dcook |
If next week's tests go well, I might try to to do more local changes to support that |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
But I also don't want to go too deeply down my own path |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
I want to learn just enough from real life experience to feed it back to the community so we can make something practical |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
I think my experience with the OAI-PMH harvester has really made me re-think my own steps |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
Like that dev... it was big |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
And in the end I didn't write it in a way that was easily unit testable |
| 07:08 |
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dcook |
Few people understood it |
| 07:09 |
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ashimema |
This cycle is going to be hard for me on that front.. having just had 24 months of high level community roles supported by ptfs-e I'm somewhat in time debt to do loads of more company orientated work |
| 07:09 |
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dcook |
And the harvester I designed was appropriate for the library that commissioned it but probably way overkill for 99% of Koha libraries... |
| 07:09 |
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dcook |
Oh no! :( |
| 07:10 |
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dcook |
I was going to do non-Koha stuff today, but was interrupted by Koha things so that didn't happen |
| 07:10 |
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ashimema |
I'll still be here.. just won't has quite as much time for my own community priorities |
| 07:10 |
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dcook |
The non-Koha stuff I do is super interesting too, but Koha is where the heart is. |
| 07:10 |
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ashimema |
Haha.. know the feeling |
| 07:11 |
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ashimema |
Nice to hear that |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
But really if we are able to make Koha more modular... then it becomes a lot easier to work on it |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
Less monolithic developments that take so much time and energy |
| 07:11 |
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dcook |
Fewer* |
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dcook |
I was just thinking "I wonder how long I'll work on Koha" |
| 07:13 |
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dcook |
And I bet rangi never thought he'd work on it for 20 some years |
| 07:14 |
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dcook |
I've been working on it for over 8 years O_O |
| 07:14 |
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ashimema |
mmm.. totally |
| 07:14 |
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dcook |
That blows my mind to think about |
| 07:14 |
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ashimema |
I'm currently in a "What's next" stage of life/career.. |
| 07:14 |
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dcook |
I hear that.. |
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dcook |
Actually, the only thing I haven't done is own a house, and I'm pretty sure you've already done that |
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dcook |
Well, career-wise I haven't done many things |
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dcook |
But life wise.. |
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dcook |
Actually, that just reminded me of another thing lol |
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dcook |
Deploying Koha at scale.. |
| 07:15 |
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ashimema |
having just finished as RM I'm really unsure what the future holds.. being so thoroughly immersed in community has been whats kept me going the past 24 months.. it started out as "6 months and I'll be moving onto greener pastures" and grew into sticking around for 24 because I kept being allowed to continue in community more and more |
| 07:16 |
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dcook |
:O |
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dcook |
That's interesting to know |
| 07:16 |
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dcook |
I mean I was thinking about rangi's announcement recently |
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dcook |
Where I think he's scaled back his Koha role at work and taking on another role? Like 50/50 or something? |
| 07:20 |
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ashimema |
ptfs-e have been hugely supportive of community and my involvement in it.. but the world is changing so it'll be interesting to see where priorities lie and evolve as time goes on. |
| 07:21 |
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dcook |
Mmm that's true |
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dcook |
We're predominately a libraries, archives, museum business, but I wonder sometimes about the future |
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dcook |
Not so much from our perspective, but rather the whole GLAM sector. |
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dcook |
I've been to library school. Staying relevant can be tricky. |
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magnuse |
when i joined the community 11+ years ago koha felt like an old and settled project, now i have been involved for more than half it's life :-) |
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magnuse |
hm, "old and settled" isn't really what i mean, but i can't find better words... |
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ashimema |
my first commit is 2011-10-27 (though that seems late.. I'm sure I committed under some other alias earlier).. I started working in koha world back in early 2010 I think |
| 07:33 |
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ashimema |
it's really interesting to look back and see how far it's come and how much it's still evolving and improving |
| 07:33 |
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magnuse |
yeah!! |
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ashimema |
as 'slow' as I feel it is sometimes when I actually look at the stats for the project as a whole it's incredible.. very fast moving and impressive |
| 07:34 |
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magnuse |
yeah :-) |
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ashimema |
the reason things can feel slow I think is that as a commuity and being open source.. everything is moving forward instead of just one area making a leap.. lots of area's make smaller steps every cycle. |
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magnuse |
my first was 2009-11-02 |
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ashimema |
ooh, ooh.. I just realised I've knocked jcamins off his top ten position in the gitstats :) |
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magnuse |
yay! :-) |
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ashimema |
best get submitting some more patches.. only 100 or so to go and I'll have overtaken kidclamp.. but he's harder.. he's a moving target |
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magnuse |
congrats |
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magnuse |
yeah, that could keep you writing patches for a long time to come :-) |
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ashimema |
@later tell kidclamp I'm on your tail.. only 64 more commits and I'll have knocked you down to 10 position on the gitstats leaderboard :P |
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huginn |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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magnuse |
and i have dcook on my heels in the stats |
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magnuse |
pretty sure i won't be able to keep ahead, unless all our customers suddenly stop asking questions... |
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ashimema |
haha.. know that feeling |
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Joubu |
@later tell oleonard .git/info/exclude |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
dcook: you would have prefered a smaller patch for the task queue? |
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Joubu |
How could it be smaller? |
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* Joubu |
raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" |
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TimothyAlexis |
ashimema: Great for you |
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TimothyAlexis |
ashimema: http://www.freealization.com/completion <= Read that and do it. ;) |
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Joubu |
magnuse: will you be able to test the patch I attached on 24986? |
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Joubu |
If you could retry with a precedent backup (do you still have it?) that would be great |
| 08:35 |
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Joubu |
bug 24986 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24986 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Maximum row size reached soon for borrowers and deletedborrowers |
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magnuse |
i should have a backup, yes, let me see what i can do |
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Joubu |
thanks |
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cait1 |
can someone please add quote Joubu's protest sign for eternity? |
| 08:47 |
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TimothyAlexis |
I added this one, as I have yet to find a solution for it: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25680 |
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huginn |
Bug 25680: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , When adding a new patron and missing to fill a field, on saving, the invalidFocus should show the focused field clearly in view. |
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cait1 |
@quote add Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" |
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huginn |
cait1: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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cait1 |
gah. |
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magnuse |
@quote add Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" |
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huginn |
magnuse: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 08:49 |
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magnuse |
@quote add Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" |
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huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. Quote #340 added. |
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magnuse |
@quote random |
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huginn |
magnuse: Quote #274: "eythian: you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea" (added by wizzyrea at 04:20 AM, September 02, 2013) |
| 08:50 |
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eythian |
still true |
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magnuse |
hehe |
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magnuse |
@quote 123 |
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huginn |
magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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magnuse |
@quote get 123 |
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huginn |
magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn. |
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cait1 |
thanks! |
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magnuse |
cait1: you have to pm huginn and say "identify <nick> <password>" |
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cait1 |
i know, but i alwas forget the password :) |
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ashimema |
interesting.. I've never identified myself in a pm to huggin |
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ashimema |
but I do identify to oftc and thus the channel.. and freenode |
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ashimema |
annoyingly oftc and freenone have opposite syntax's |
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Joubu |
I prevent you to send the password on the channel ;) |
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ashimema |
:) |
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Joubu |
It* |
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ashimema |
would you like me to take a look at adding the #action parsing stuff to koha-meeting Joubu.. or are you already on the case? |
| 09:12 |
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ashimema |
it's been on my todo list since mid 2019 :( |
| 09:12 |
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ashimema |
but.. I'm no longer the RM :) |
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ashimema |
looks like you're on it.. I'll wait until I see something land in gitlab.. feel free to assign anything to me on that front |
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Joubu |
I am not on it |
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Joubu |
you can create the issue on gitlab |
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Joubu |
I was creating the project, but it existed already! |
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ashimema |
cool |
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Joubu |
@later tell tcohen 25662 - you assign it to you but still "NEW", should be assigned? |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:39 |
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Joubu |
Please, QA needed on bug 25651 |
| 09:39 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25651 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Modifying an authorised value make it disappear |
| 09:44 |
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kohaputti |
Joubu, was it okay I just signed-off bug 25586 – it was in new status before |
| 09:44 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25586 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Something wrong with KOHA_HOME (?) |
| 09:45 |
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Joubu |
I was adding a comment on it! |
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kohaputti |
oh... |
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Joubu |
kohaputti: what about the occurrence in koha-plack? |
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kohaputti |
let me see |
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Joubu |
I'd like to have a clean state after this bug report |
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Joubu |
I am not sure the patch will actually fix an issue (even if better with it) |
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kohaputti |
bin/koha-functions.sh: KOHA_HOME=$(run_safe_xmlstarlet $instancename intranetdir) |
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kohaputti |
so it gets it from the koha-conf.xml file |
| 09:51 |
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kohaputti |
I think it is good we use this variable since it gets it from the koha-conf.xml file |
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kohaputti |
somebody might install koha elsewhere and if we don't get it via this variable/from koha-conf.xml then those installations don't work |
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Joubu |
keep in mind that the debian/* script are only used by if you installed from the pkg. So the path should not be different |
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Joubu |
script*s* |
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kohaputti |
I see, but still if we want to change those sometime in the future lots of places to run sed regex replace in. |
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Joubu |
yes, that's why I replaced it. But it should not change anything for now |
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kohaputti |
well, if this is not an issue that bothers anybody right now maybe we can just not do anything about this |
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kohaputti |
Joubu, one thing related to this is if we want to make the debian/scripts compatible with other OSes, I know some people use koha on centos(or fedora?), and those scripts would be helpful there also but now the paths might be just compatible with debian. |
| 10:08 |
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kohaputti |
well, there was also the systemd dicsussion on the mailing list, and that might be something we want to replace these scripts with |
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kohaputti |
I suggest to discuss this on the next dev meeting, although I will probably be on holidays then |
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oleonard |
o/ |
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oleonard |
Joubu: Thank you! .git/info/exclude! I knew there was a way because I'd done it before but forgot how :) |
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Null404 |
hello there :) |
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Null404 |
cait1: Finally I found how to manual change text "not for loan", "available" etc in system that is in staff mode: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/pl-PL/modules/catalogue/detail.tt |
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oleonard |
Null404 the "not for loan" text should be changed via Authorized Values, not by editing the template |
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Null404 |
oleonard: I had a very strange bug: I updated KOHA 17.11 to 18.11 and I get .po files for 18.05 and some texts was untraslated because "fuzzy" status |
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Null404 |
and some words was in english language because these .po files is from 02.2020 |
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Null404 |
on test server I updated to 19.11 and gues what - it also .po files for 18.05 |
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oleonard |
That's very strange Null404 |
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cait1 |
oleonard: there are some in the template too i think |
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cait1 |
occorrences of 'not for loan' |
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oleonard |
Yes. I misunderstood the problem. |
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kohaputti |
tcohen, still working on bug 21366 ? |
| 11:34 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , add plack reload |
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tcohen |
kohaputti no |
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tcohen |
the options available were discouraged by the starman author |
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tcohen |
(I was thinkiing of detecting source changes and reloading) |
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tcohen |
a way to reload plack would still be interesting 'on-demand' |
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kohaputti |
why need for detect changes? |
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kohaputti |
I though the idea was just to add the option to do manually the reload |
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tcohen |
e.g. when installing a plugin |
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tcohen |
exactly, I was thinking the wrong thing |
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tcohen |
I was bothered by the need to restart plack in my dev env all the time I made a change to a lib |
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kohaputti |
ah, I see, I was thinking this feature is useful in production |
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tcohen |
oh, I'm talking about a different bug actually |
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kohaputti |
we've been actually using this for a long time, hot reloading |
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tcohen |
LOL |
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kohaputti |
haha :D |
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TimothyAlexis |
I did git commit --amend and then git bz attach... But it seems that the previous commit was attached again rather than the update? |
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TimothyAlexis |
OK now it worked... |
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Joubu |
khall: can you write a patch for 22522 please? |
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Joubu |
ashimema and tcohen will SO and QA immediatly |
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TonyS |
Can someone help me understand which mailing list I need to send a request to be add to the area for paid support? I've tried to do this about 4 times but never get a response. |
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cait1 |
koha main mailing list I think |
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ashimema |
I'm not seeing any mails from a 'Tony' with the keyword "Company name" on any of the lists |
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ashimema |
having said that.. I don't really know who, if anyone, actually takes responsibility for adding companies |
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cait1 |
technically wizzyrea is the only one I know who can do it |
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ashimema |
TonyS |
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ashimema |
I can't see any mails I can identify as.. the last three I see are B2H2 Solutions, ZINET and Texicon |
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TonyS |
Sorry it would be under Anthony and the company name is Trident Consulting |
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ashimema |
aha.. found the email |
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TonyS |
Thank you --- can you help me?? |
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ashimema |
neither website listed in your email appears to work |
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TonyS |
hmmmmm tridentcf.com |
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ashimema |
no https? |
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TonyS |
Do you require that?? If so I can have that done in no time |
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Joubu |
https://koha-community.org/sup[…]ow-to-get-listed/ |
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Joubu |
you should first read that I'd say |
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ashimema |
I dno't think we do.. but that's what caught me out |
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ashimema |
in your email you list that website as https and there's no automatic redirect to http |
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ashimema |
so it's just a dead link in the email ;) |
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TonyS |
Okay I get it... we changed that server and my developer may not had moved the cert. to that server ... if you wish I will have that done so it all matches |
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ashimema |
on a personal note.. I wouldn't trust any company offering computer services whom doesn't secure their own website with https.. best practice and all that ;) |
| 13:29 |
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ashimema |
but no.. I don't believe that is a community requirement |
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ashimema |
no worries |
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TonyS |
Totally understand |
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ashimema |
as for getting listed.. it looks like there's a backlog looking at the most recent emails in my search.. |
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ashimema |
@later tell wizzyrea is anyone looking after the paid support contacts page on the website these days.. looks like we have a backlog of requests. |
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huginn |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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ashimema |
I've just left a message for the person who takes care of the website in general.. hopefully she can reply to your queries. |
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TonyS |
thank you very much for your assistance |
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ashimema |
no worries |
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wizzycray |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25097 hi i'm nudging this for a QA cos it's a really really Good Thing |
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huginn |
Bug 25097: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add option to message_queue to allow for only specific sending notices |
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eythian |
wizzycray: you have messages for wizzyrea, fyi :) |
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* oleonard |
suspected all along that eythian reads all our messages |
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oleonard |
Anyone around who is familiar with library transfer limits? |
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eythian |
oleonard: nobody else would if I didn't |
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eythian |
And is a message really a message if nobody reads it? |
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reiveune |
bye |
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kidclamp |
whats the question oleonard ? |
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Joubu |
enjoy the weekend #koha! |
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oleonard |
I can't tell if it's not working or I just don't know what it's supposed to do. |
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oleonard |
If I have an itemtype configured to not be transferred between branches, what should happen if I check in the item at the wrong branch? |
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oleonard |
kidclamp: In my test it looked like nothing different happens at checkin. The transfer is initiated |
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oleonard |
cait1 did you see my question on Bug 25469? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Typo: Item does not belongs to your library |
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kidclamp |
@later tell fredericd do you have a timeline for submission of ES code? there are outstanding bugs and I want to make sure if we work on those we are doing so in a way that works with the direction you are heading |
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huginn |
kidclamp: The operation succeeded. |
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kidclamp |
Oleonard, but the item is returning home? It should be able to do that still |
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kidclamp |
I think if there is a hold to fill at another branch, in check-in it won't do that, but will return home |
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cait1 |
oleonard: not yet, but hope to catch up during the weeken |
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cait1 |
d |
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cait1 |
which i will start now :) |
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cait1 |
cya later all! |
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* oleonard |
was really hoping ashimema was going to rescue him from Bug 24766 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24766 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Provide an option to show news blocks for all available languages |
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ashimema |
That's an area that is on my list oleonard |
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ashimema |
I have a couple of branches I started playing with on it about 3 weeks back.. I aim to get back to them shortly |
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ashimema |
Gotta spend early next week working through accessibility bugs. The stuff I talked about with you a little while back and is now becoming more urgent. Then I can get onto some other things like the news blocks again. |
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ashimema |
Not forgotten 😉 |
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oleonard |
ashimema: I should fix a bunch of accessibility stuff but base it on my Bootstrap 4 branch so you'll have to test it ;) |
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ashimema |
I'm in a catch 22 on the accessibility stuff.. I need to have it implemented for the customer.. yes that entire however many hundred page reports worth.. and they don't want to upgrade for it either.. so it all needs to be done at 18.11 I believe.. :'( |
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ashimema |
oleonard ^ |
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oleonard |
ridiculous |
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