Time Nick Message 21:08 oleonard ridiculous 21:07 ashimema oleonard ^ 21:07 ashimema I'm in a catch 22 on the accessibility stuff.. I need to have it implemented for the customer.. yes that entire however many hundred page reports worth.. and they don't want to upgrade for it either.. so it all needs to be done at 18.11 I believe.. :'( 18:25 oleonard ashimema: I should fix a bunch of accessibility stuff but base it on my Bootstrap 4 branch so you'll have to test it ;) 18:22 ashimema Not forgotten 😉 18:22 ashimema Gotta spend early next week working through accessibility bugs. The stuff I talked about with you a little while back and is now becoming more urgent. Then I can get onto some other things like the news blocks again. 18:21 ashimema I have a couple of branches I started playing with on it about 3 weeks back.. I aim to get back to them shortly 18:21 ashimema That's an area that is on my list oleonard 18:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24766 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Provide an option to show news blocks for all available languages 18:12 * oleonard was really hoping ashimema was going to rescue him from Bug 24766 17:16 cait1 cya later all! 17:16 cait1 which i will start now :) 17:16 cait1 d 17:16 cait1 oleonard: not yet, but hope to catch up during the weeken 16:29 kidclamp I think if there is a hold to fill at another branch, in check-in it won't do that, but will return home 16:29 kidclamp Oleonard, but the item is returning home? It should be able to do that still 16:07 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 16:07 kidclamp @later tell fredericd do you have a timeline for submission of ES code? there are outstanding bugs and I want to make sure if we work on those we are doing so in a way that works with the direction you are heading 15:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Typo: Item does not belongs to your library 15:51 oleonard cait1 did you see my question on Bug 25469? 15:42 oleonard kidclamp: In my test it looked like nothing different happens at checkin. The transfer is initiated 15:39 oleonard If I have an itemtype configured to not be transferred between branches, what should happen if I check in the item at the wrong branch? 15:39 oleonard I can't tell if it's not working or I just don't know what it's supposed to do. 15:39 Joubu enjoy the weekend #koha! 15:38 kidclamp whats the question oleonard ? 15:00 reiveune bye 14:34 eythian And is a message really a message if nobody reads it? 14:34 eythian oleonard: nobody else would if I didn't 14:33 oleonard Anyone around who is familiar with library transfer limits? 14:33 * oleonard suspected all along that eythian reads all our messages 14:28 eythian wizzycray: you have messages for wizzyrea, fyi :) 13:52 huginn Bug 25097: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add option to message_queue to allow for only specific sending notices 13:52 wizzycray https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25097 hi i'm nudging this for a QA cos it's a really really Good Thing 13:31 ashimema no worries 13:31 TonyS thank you very much for your assistance 13:31 ashimema I've just left a message for the person who takes care of the website in general.. hopefully she can reply to your queries. 13:30 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 13:30 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea is anyone looking after the paid support contacts page on the website these days.. looks like we have a backlog of requests. 13:29 ashimema as for getting listed.. it looks like there's a backlog looking at the most recent emails in my search.. 13:29 TonyS Totally understand 13:29 ashimema no worries 13:29 ashimema but no.. I don't believe that is a community requirement 13:28 ashimema on a personal note.. I wouldn't trust any company offering computer services whom doesn't secure their own website with https.. best practice and all that ;) 13:28 TonyS Okay I get it... we changed that server and my developer may not had moved the cert. to that server ... if you wish I will have that done so it all matches 13:27 ashimema so it's just a dead link in the email ;) 13:27 ashimema in your email you list that website as https and there's no automatic redirect to http 13:27 ashimema I dno't think we do.. but that's what caught me out 13:27 Joubu you should first read that I'd say 13:27 Joubu https://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/how-to-get-listed/ 13:27 TonyS Do you require that?? If so I can have that done in no time 13:26 ashimema no https? 13:26 TonyS hmmmmm tridentcf.com 13:25 ashimema neither website listed in your email appears to work 13:25 TonyS Thank you --- can you help me?? 13:25 ashimema aha.. found the email 13:24 TonyS Sorry it would be under Anthony and the company name is Trident Consulting 13:22 ashimema I can't see any mails I can identify as.. the last three I see are B2H2 Solutions, ZINET and Texicon 13:21 ashimema TonyS 13:18 cait1 technically wizzyrea is the only one I know who can do it 13:16 ashimema having said that.. I don't really know who, if anyone, actually takes responsibility for adding companies 13:15 ashimema I'm not seeing any mails from a 'Tony' with the keyword "Company name" on any of the lists 13:15 cait1 koha main mailing list I think 13:12 TonyS Can someone help me understand which mailing list I need to send a request to be add to the area for paid support? I've tried to do this about 4 times but never get a response. 12:10 Joubu ashimema and tcohen will SO and QA immediatly 12:10 Joubu khall: can you write a patch for 22522 please? 12:04 TimothyAlexis OK now it worked... 12:02 TimothyAlexis I did git commit --amend and then git bz attach... But it seems that the previous commit was attached again rather than the update? 11:41 kohaputti haha :D 11:41 tcohen LOL 11:41 kohaputti we've been actually using this for a long time, hot reloading 11:41 tcohen oh, I'm talking about a different bug actually 11:41 kohaputti ah, I see, I was thinking this feature is useful in production 11:41 tcohen I was bothered by the need to restart plack in my dev env all the time I made a change to a lib 11:40 tcohen exactly, I was thinking the wrong thing 11:40 tcohen e.g. when installing a plugin 11:40 kohaputti I though the idea was just to add the option to do manually the reload 11:40 kohaputti why need for detect changes? 11:40 tcohen a way to reload plack would still be interesting 'on-demand' 11:39 tcohen (I was thinkiing of detecting source changes and reloading) 11:39 tcohen the options available were discouraged by the starman author 11:38 tcohen kohaputti no 11:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , add plack reload 11:34 kohaputti tcohen, still working on bug 21366 ? 11:28 oleonard Yes. I misunderstood the problem. 11:23 cait1 occorrences of 'not for loan' 11:23 cait1 oleonard: there are some in the template too i think 11:14 oleonard That's very strange Null404 11:11 Null404 on test server I updated to 19.11 and gues what - it also .po files for 18.05 11:09 Null404 and some words was in english language because these .po files is from 02.2020 11:07 Null404 oleonard: I had a very strange bug: I updated KOHA 17.11 to 18.11 and I get .po files for 18.05 and some texts was untraslated because "fuzzy" status 11:06 oleonard Null404 the "not for loan" text should be changed via Authorized Values, not by editing the template 11:05 Null404 cait1: Finally I found how to manual change text "not for loan", "available" etc in system that is in staff mode: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/pl-PL/modules/catalogue/detail.tt 11:04 Null404 hello there :) 11:04 oleonard Joubu: Thank you! .git/info/exclude! I knew there was a way because I'd done it before but forgot how :) 11:02 oleonard o/ 10:09 kohaputti I suggest to discuss this on the next dev meeting, although I will probably be on holidays then 10:08 kohaputti well, there was also the systemd dicsussion on the mailing list, and that might be something we want to replace these scripts with 10:07 kohaputti Joubu, one thing related to this is if we want to make the debian/scripts compatible with other OSes, I know some people use koha on centos(or fedora?), and those scripts would be helpful there also but now the paths might be just compatible with debian. 09:58 kohaputti well, if this is not an issue that bothers anybody right now maybe we can just not do anything about this 09:58 Joubu yes, that's why I replaced it. But it should not change anything for now 09:57 kohaputti I see, but still if we want to change those sometime in the future lots of places to run sed regex replace in. 09:56 Joubu script*s* 09:56 Joubu keep in mind that the debian/* script are only used by if you installed from the pkg. So the path should not be different 09:52 kohaputti somebody might install koha elsewhere and if we don't get it via this variable/from koha-conf.xml then those installations don't work 09:51 kohaputti I think it is good we use this variable since it gets it from the koha-conf.xml file 09:50 kohaputti so it gets it from the koha-conf.xml file 09:49 kohaputti bin/koha-functions.sh: KOHA_HOME=$(run_safe_xmlstarlet $instancename intranetdir) 09:46 Joubu I am not sure the patch will actually fix an issue (even if better with it) 09:46 Joubu I'd like to have a clean state after this bug report 09:46 kohaputti let me see 09:45 Joubu kohaputti: what about the occurrence in koha-plack? 09:45 kohaputti oh... 09:45 Joubu I was adding a comment on it! 09:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25586 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Something wrong with KOHA_HOME (?) 09:44 kohaputti Joubu, was it okay I just signed-off bug 25586 – it was in new status before 09:39 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25651 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Modifying an authorised value make it disappear 09:39 Joubu Please, QA needed on bug 25651 09:35 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 09:35 Joubu @later tell tcohen 25662 - you assign it to you but still "NEW", should be assigned? 09:23 ashimema cool 09:17 Joubu I was creating the project, but it existed already! 09:17 Joubu you can create the issue on gitlab 09:17 Joubu I am not on it 09:14 ashimema looks like you're on it.. I'll wait until I see something land in gitlab.. feel free to assign anything to me on that front 09:12 ashimema but.. I'm no longer the RM :) 09:12 ashimema it's been on my todo list since mid 2019 :( 09:12 ashimema would you like me to take a look at adding the #action parsing stuff to koha-meeting Joubu.. or are you already on the case? 09:08 Joubu It* 09:06 ashimema :) 09:06 Joubu I prevent you to send the password on the channel ;) 09:02 ashimema annoyingly oftc and freenone have opposite syntax's 09:02 ashimema but I do identify to oftc and thus the channel.. and freenode 09:01 ashimema interesting.. I've never identified myself in a pm to huggin 08:53 cait1 i know, but i alwas forget the password :) 08:52 magnuse cait1: you have to pm huginn and say "identify <nick> <password>" 08:51 cait1 thanks! 08:51 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 08:51 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 08:51 magnuse @quote get 123 08:51 huginn magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes 08:51 magnuse @quote 123 08:51 magnuse hehe 08:50 eythian still true 08:50 huginn magnuse: Quote #274: "eythian: you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea" (added by wizzyrea at 04:20 AM, September 02, 2013) 08:50 magnuse @quote random 08:49 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded. Quote #340 added. 08:49 magnuse @quote add Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" 08:49 huginn magnuse: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 08:49 magnuse @quote add Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" 08:48 cait1 gah. 08:48 huginn cait1: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 08:48 cait1 @quote add Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" 08:47 huginn Bug 25680: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , When adding a new patron and missing to fill a field, on saving, the invalidFocus should show the focused field clearly in view. 08:47 TimothyAlexis I added this one, as I have yet to find a solution for it: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25680 08:40 cait1 can someone please add quote Joubu's protest sign for eternity? 08:38 Joubu thanks 08:38 magnuse i should have a backup, yes, let me see what i can do 08:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24986 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Maximum row size reached soon for borrowers and deletedborrowers 08:35 Joubu bug 24986 08:35 Joubu If you could retry with a precedent backup (do you still have it?) that would be great 08:35 Joubu magnuse: will you be able to test the patch I attached on 24986? 08:23 TimothyAlexis ashimema: http://www.freealization.com/completion <= Read that and do it. ;) 08:22 TimothyAlexis ashimema: Great for you 08:20 * Joubu raises his protest sign "more code, less talk!" 07:57 Joubu How could it be smaller? 07:56 Joubu dcook: you would have prefered a smaller patch for the task queue? 07:50 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 07:50 Joubu @later tell oleonard .git/info/exclude 07:42 ashimema haha.. know that feeling 07:41 magnuse pretty sure i won't be able to keep ahead, unless all our customers suddenly stop asking questions... 07:41 magnuse and i have dcook on my heels in the stats 07:37 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 07:37 ashimema @later tell kidclamp I'm on your tail.. only 64 more commits and I'll have knocked you down to 10 position on the gitstats leaderboard :P 07:37 magnuse yeah, that could keep you writing patches for a long time to come :-) 07:36 magnuse congrats 07:36 ashimema best get submitting some more patches.. only 100 or so to go and I'll have overtaken kidclamp.. but he's harder.. he's a moving target 07:36 magnuse yay! :-) 07:35 ashimema ooh, ooh.. I just realised I've knocked jcamins off his top ten position in the gitstats :) 07:34 magnuse my first was 2009-11-02 07:34 ashimema the reason things can feel slow I think is that as a commuity and being open source.. everything is moving forward instead of just one area making a leap.. lots of area's make smaller steps every cycle. 07:34 magnuse yeah :-) 07:33 ashimema as 'slow' as I feel it is sometimes when I actually look at the stats for the project as a whole it's incredible.. very fast moving and impressive 07:33 magnuse yeah!! 07:33 ashimema it's really interesting to look back and see how far it's come and how much it's still evolving and improving 07:32 ashimema my first commit is 2011-10-27 (though that seems late.. I'm sure I committed under some other alias earlier).. I started working in koha world back in early 2010 I think 07:31 magnuse hm, "old and settled" isn't really what i mean, but i can't find better words... 07:31 magnuse when i joined the community 11+ years ago koha felt like an old and settled project, now i have been involved for more than half it's life :-) 07:22 dcook I've been to library school. Staying relevant can be tricky. 07:21 dcook Not so much from our perspective, but rather the whole GLAM sector. 07:21 dcook We're predominately a libraries, archives, museum business, but I wonder sometimes about the future 07:21 dcook Mmm that's true 07:20 ashimema ptfs-e have been hugely supportive of community and my involvement in it.. but the world is changing so it'll be interesting to see where priorities lie and evolve as time goes on. 07:17 dcook Where I think he's scaled back his Koha role at work and taking on another role? Like 50/50 or something? 07:16 dcook I mean I was thinking about rangi's announcement recently 07:16 dcook That's interesting to know 07:16 dcook :O 07:15 ashimema having just finished as RM I'm really unsure what the future holds.. being so thoroughly immersed in community has been whats kept me going the past 24 months.. it started out as "6 months and I'll be moving onto greener pastures" and grew into sticking around for 24 because I kept being allowed to continue in community more and more 07:15 dcook Deploying Koha at scale.. 07:15 dcook Actually, that just reminded me of another thing lol 07:15 dcook But life wise.. 07:15 dcook Well, career-wise I haven't done many things 07:14 dcook Actually, the only thing I haven't done is own a house, and I'm pretty sure you've already done that 07:14 dcook I hear that.. 07:14 ashimema I'm currently in a "What's next" stage of life/career.. 07:14 dcook That blows my mind to think about 07:14 ashimema mmm.. totally 07:14 dcook I've been working on it for over 8 years O_O 07:13 dcook And I bet rangi never thought he'd work on it for 20 some years 07:13 dcook I was just thinking "I wonder how long I'll work on Koha" 07:12 dcook [off] Yeah, I'm certainly wary. 07:11 ashimema [off] I really want to give FOLIO a good run for its money.. really scared Koha could just end up steam rollered by it 07:11 dcook Fewer* 07:11 dcook Less monolithic developments that take so much time and energy 07:11 dcook But really if we are able to make Koha more modular... then it becomes a lot easier to work on it 07:11 ashimema Nice to hear that 07:10 ashimema Haha.. know the feeling 07:10 dcook The non-Koha stuff I do is super interesting too, but Koha is where the heart is. 07:10 ashimema I'll still be here.. just won't has quite as much time for my own community priorities 07:10 dcook I was going to do non-Koha stuff today, but was interrupted by Koha things so that didn't happen 07:09 dcook Oh no! :( 07:09 dcook And the harvester I designed was appropriate for the library that commissioned it but probably way overkill for 99% of Koha libraries... 07:09 ashimema This cycle is going to be hard for me on that front.. having just had 24 months of high level community roles supported by ptfs-e I'm somewhat in time debt to do loads of more company orientated work 07:08 dcook Few people understood it 07:08 dcook And in the end I didn't write it in a way that was easily unit testable 07:08 dcook Like that dev... it was big 07:08 dcook I think my experience with the OAI-PMH harvester has really made me re-think my own steps 07:08 dcook I want to learn just enough from real life experience to feed it back to the community so we can make something practical 07:08 dcook But I also don't want to go too deeply down my own path 07:07 dcook If next week's tests go well, I might try to to do more local changes to support that 07:07 dcook But we have a homemade task scheduler which is just... no. So I want to replace it with RabbitMQ 07:07 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 07:07 ashimema Excellent 07:07 dcook Like my latest RabbitMQ work was a POC that had the boss's thumbs up 07:07 ashimema I do generally get their support when asked.. but you have to be thoughtful about what your asking 07:07 dcook Yeah, I've been doing work on that front 07:07 dcook ^ 07:06 ashimema It's that piece I've always found hard.. grabbing the boss people 07:06 dcook I have so many interests that I sometimes forget my interests.. lol 07:06 ashimema It's partly about the Devs.. but it's also a bug part about getting their bosses on board so the Devs can actually spend the time 07:06 dcook Yeah maybe that would work if I looked at it often enough.. 07:05 dcook On yeah... 07:05 dcook Annd Jonathan, Tomas, and I are interested in RabbitMQ.. 07:05 ashimema Joubu is working on introducing tiaga 07:05 dcook And you and I are interested in Auth 07:05 dcook Like I know Tomas, Kyle, you, and I are all interested in plugins, but maybe there are others too 07:05 dcook And people could group together? 07:05 dcook Do we have anywhere that people can flag interests? 07:05 dcook Hmm 07:05 dcook I think that makes sense 07:04 ashimema I opted with just really encouraging more communication between entities and that seed to work well.. we managed to collaborate better last cycle than I feel we have for a while... But it's still pretty scattergun 07:04 dcook 20.11* 07:04 dcook Not feeling alone is powerful 07:04 dcook I mean Tomas and I privately have been pumping each other up about RabbitMQ for 19.11 07:04 dcook Same 07:03 ashimema I'd love to encourage road maps and concerted effort.. 07:03 dcook As we just have too many different competing priorities and resource availability 07:03 dcook Agreed. Kyle persuaded me years ago that there's no way to get a community to focus on 1 priority. 07:03 dcook I know I have so many competing projects in my mind. I don't know how I'm going to do them all. 07:03 ashimema At l art.. that was my opinion.. 07:02 ashimema We have too many stakeholders with too many different priorities at different times.. so iron fist just doesn't work.. you'd never get enough people on side 07:02 magnuse \o/ 07:02 dcook I'd love to be able to just say "All right. We are just focusing on Auth for the next month." 07:02 dcook Another reason I don't want to rule the world 07:02 dcook cait1: Yeah, I tell myself I'd be a pretty ineffectual dictator 07:01 dcook ashimema: So much that. The coding is the easiest part. It's getting that shared understanding and consensus which is so hard. 07:01 cait1 yep 07:01 ashimema Haha.. community just doesn't work that way.. 07:01 cait1 dcook: you can try, but iron fist doesn't work when herding cats 07:01 dcook <3 07:01 ashimema Haha 07:01 ashimema Often times in Koha I find it's not the coding that holds me back. It's finding enough people who understand it well enough at the same time to move it through SO and QA.. and doing it in small enough chunks that we can all manage to keep on top of it 07:01 dcook While I don't have the time or energy to be RM, I think sometimes if I were RM I would rule with an iron fist... 07:00 dcook I think it comes down to priorities 07:00 dcook One mouthful at a time heh 06:59 ashimema I.e how do we slowly move from all Auth code in one scary massive module to core Auth code in one place and flows being plugins 06:59 dcook The staff client vs OPAC is a natural dividing line 06:59 dcook Parallel eh.. 06:59 dcook Hmm.. 06:59 dcook Yeah I hear that 06:58 ashimema Just r placing auth.pm on mass is a scary prospect.. we need to somehow work out how to do it piecemeal or in parallel for a while 06:58 dcook stepping stones? 06:58 ashimema And I'm not entirely sure what stepping stones could be used 06:57 ashimema Indeed 06:57 ashimema Sounds interesting.. happy to take a look when you submit it. 🙂 06:57 dcook All takes time though right.. 06:57 ashimema We need to move saml in process.. getting more and more conscious of the issues we have by using headers with the native sp for shib 06:57 dcook As there are a few times I needed to set session variables.. 06:56 dcook For login, logged in session set, logout, maybe one or two others 06:56 dcook And that would load the plugin, and then it would just call methods that I had set ahead of time 06:56 dcook Like with my model you had do specifically initiate a OpenID Connect login 06:56 ashimema Brill 06:55 ashimema Yeah... They're not too far different 06:55 dcook That's what I was thinking 06:55 ashimema Yeah.. I was trying to keep a fair bit inside Koha.. a think we need to hook lower down to allow the plugins to govern far more of the flow 06:55 dcook I've been using Keycloak for a while now, and it's so handy for testing saml and openidconnect auth 06:55 dcook Although I think saml and openidconnect use similar flows? 06:55 dcook Ah yeah fair 06:55 ashimema Yikes 06:54 ashimema Making it pluggable for a bunch of them seemed simple.. but then also supporting plugs for cas, shib and openid which have rather different flows made me back away again 06:54 dcook Like wth... 06:54 dcook We set the session cookie in 12 different places 06:54 dcook I have a patch waiting to make the session cookie secure 06:54 dcook Actually, that reminds me.. 06:54 dcook Because really there shouldn't be many flows 06:54 dcook I think I tried to work around that a bit 06:53 ashimema The challenge I found with Auth is just how different some of the flows end up being. 06:53 dcook Not enough hours in the day... 06:53 dcook I've only tested my framework using my own OpenID Connect code, but it worked pretty well I think 06:53 dcook I figure plugins and the REST API really are good ways forward 06:53 ashimema I would love that.. I've been meaning to try and make with.pm pluggable for years.. but I've just never had enough time to properly see it through 06:52 dcook I should upstream a pluggable Auth system so that you can change your shib code to use that heh 06:52 ashimema I really should do that 06:52 ashimema Yeah.. it doesn't scare me.. though I do keep putting off rebasing my shib only code 06:52 dcook I'm actually planning a local Auth.pm mod to do some cool SSO stuff for vendor administration... 06:51 dcook I'm not scared of Auth.pm anymore, but it needs TLC for sure 06:51 ashimema Auth.pm is scary.. that's deffo and area that needs splitting up some time 06:51 dcook I think we need to be more willing to do small experiments 06:51 dcook I love that Joubu put in all that effort, but I think it was too big 06:51 wahanui kia ora, alex_a 06:51 alex_a Bonjour 06:50 dcook In fact, I totally agree 06:50 ashimema I'm just aware that we sometimes try to do the big thing inst as of taking baby steps which are more manageable 06:50 dcook Oh, I don't think you came across negatively 06:50 dcook I want to upstream my OpenID Connect code but also think it's not perfect. I think mine is much better than the Google OpenID Connect stuff we already have, but... I guess I'm shy 06:50 ashimema I'm more than happy to see a task queue.. I hop I didn't come across too negative on that front last cycle. 06:50 dcook And to possibly refactor to be used with Koha plugins... 06:49 dcook I actually have a modular framework for authentication that I keep meaning to upstream 06:49 dcook I reckon so 06:49 ashimema I'd love to see Koha become more modular and I see the plugin system as a way to do that.. 06:49 dcook I've got a local tool running with it, and I'm going to have some real clients test it out early next week 06:49 ashimema I agree with you.. we need to focus on securing it more and making it a more professional seamless piece.. as well as expanding its capabilities over time 06:49 dcook Keen to work with Tomas to get some sort of RabbitMQ-based task queue system going 06:48 dcook And then a lot of the little modifications are things I could probably upstream 06:48 dcook A lot of our local code is actually just plugin type tools I think 06:48 dcook Nice. I'm glad I'm not alone on the plugin front. 06:47 ashimema Lol 06:47 dcook La Pat Patrouille? 06:47 ashimema Great to have you aboard there 06:47 dcook Trying to remember the French for Paw Patrol... 06:47 ashimema Haha.. your only a little way behind me there.. I've been working slowly on that for a while now.. encouraging backporting of plugin and API features where possible and pushing for improvements in that area of code 06:47 dcook You came in at an odd time heh 06:47 dcook salut reiveune 06:46 reiveune hello 06:46 dcook I like singing the Paw Patrol theme song to the tune of Yeah Yeah Yeah's Y Control heh 06:46 dcook lol 06:46 dcook Actually, speaking of customizations, I have a goal of trying to get the plugin system to a point of usability where I can move a lot of customizations out into plugins 06:46 ashimema Not good when some of the things going in are kids shows theme tunes that I just can't seem to get back out again.. hahahaha 06:45 * dcook thinks his brain is just going to explode one of these days 06:45 dcook Figure I should revise my French... 06:45 dcook I've also recently started to try to learn Korean... put Chinese on hold... 06:45 dcook haha 06:45 ashimema Yeah.. I reached brain capacity.. now something goes and something else drops out.. haha 06:45 * dcook glares at the ATMEL microcontroller on his desktop which isn't taking its firmware like it should... 06:44 * dcook just likes to know lots about lots of things 06:44 dcook And they're now shipping a Linux kernel with Windows 10 2004 and using a lightweight virtualization to run that for things like WSL and Docker 06:44 ashimema I should really force myself to catch my knowledge of windows back up 06:43 dcook Windows is kind of interesting. They just got a "win-get" package installer. 06:43 ashimema I'm out of the loop of the rh way these days.. same as Windows for me.. I'm pretty much debain/Ubuntu and arch Linux only now 06:43 dcook I don't mind other OSes as exceptions, but yeah... rather just run with the mainstream 06:43 dcook I'll be glad when we're almost exclusively on Debian/Ubuntu 06:42 dcook Sooo much easier 06:42 dcook RHEL 7 still only has 5.14 if I recall correctly. Can't remember about RHEL 8.. 06:42 ashimema We had a mix of OS's too for a period but now we're pretty much Debian only.. it justa made life soo much easier. 06:42 dcook I actually only have the 1 Koha on RHEL. Most of my RHEL experience is with non-Koha apps >_> 06:42 dcook https://perldoc.perl.org/perlsub.html#Signatures 06:41 ashimema We stopped supported rhel and centos a while ago at ptfs-e 06:41 dcook I know old Perl had "prototypes" 06:41 dcook Ooo does Perl actually have that? 06:41 * ashimema would love to see us adopt signatures at some point 06:41 dcook 30 November 2020 "Maintenance Support or Maintennace Support 2 ends" 06:40 dcook But RHEL 6 is EOL or about to be EOL 06:40 dcook I think maybe I just mentiond that RHEL 6.x is on 5.10.1 06:40 dcook Hmm that does sound like something I'd do... lol 06:39 ashimema I think every time I've tried you've thrown in the blocking comment on the bug from memory.. 5.10 is ancient 06:39 dcook More recent functions? I'm intrigued. 06:39 dcook Or do you mean in terms of using Carton? 06:39 dcook I've usually been the one to complain about Koha because my Perl has been too new heh 06:39 ashimema I really would love to see us move to a more modern perl and start using some more recent functions 06:38 dcook OpenSuse is way ahead of Debian with the minimum Perl I think 06:38 dcook Upping the minimum Perl? 06:38 ashimema With that move do you think we may finally agree to upping the minimum perl by any chance? 06:38 dcook And honestly I actually do prefer building RPM packages over Debian packages heh. 06:38 dcook I'm slowly but surely whipping things into shape... 06:38 dcook I hear that... 06:38 dcook I am porting a different Perl system to RHEL 8 soon I hope, and I'm planning to use Carton for its dependencies instead of packaging them all as Debian packages though 06:38 ashimema The packages are nice.. I wish we didn't customise Koha as much as we do at ptfs-e,... We have such a mess of install methods here. 06:37 dcook I'm hoping to soon be almost exclusively using Koha on Debian/Ubuntu in the weeks to come. I will still have 1 RHEL, but that's not the end of the world. 06:36 dcook The funny thing is that I'm switching as many servers as I can over to Debian/Ubuntu these days, so that I can just use Debian packages heh 06:36 dcook Yeah I think that's a good first step too 06:34 ashimema Grr.. autocorrect doesn't like cpan.. always corrects to can 06:33 ashimema Butby ah.. that's a good first step in my mind.. actually using the cpanfile for a test install to check everything still works 06:33 ashimema I must check it actually looks in the right place for the dependancies rather than still using system ones 06:33 dcook Oh nice 06:33 dcook I do think it's a false positive. I looked at the fontfaceobserver code, which is very brief, and I don't see any obvious issues. 06:32 ashimema Can wise.. seems we lost the 'test with latest from cpan' Jenkins build.. but I got it added back yesterday. 06:32 dcook :D 06:29 ashimema Just about to go r as your systemd email 🙂 06:28 ashimema I've not had enough time if late to concentrate on that area much.. I made the decision to not worry too much about the current failures as they were all in our Dev tools rather than in public facing.. but it's time to get digging on those now I reckon. 06:27 ashimema rangi recently setup a snyk account for Koha.. it goes through a js much like GitHub does these days and looks for security issues in us dependancies.. we should probably start paying more attention to it. 06:26 ashimema Very odd 06:26 ashimema Yeah, I just saw your comment about that is being flagged for security.. I wasn't aware of it before 06:25 ashimema We also have our differences at times, but we're all adult enough to get over it and move on. 06:25 ashimema I agree 06:24 dcook Even when we don't see eye to eye, although lately we've been agreeing a lot. It's weird lol. 06:24 dcook That's great that those 3 groups have that agreement. I think it's so valuable having Joubu. 06:23 dcook Pretty sure it's a false positive but looks like might be 2 days before Symantec get in touch 06:23 ashimema Though he did discus taking in being RM with the three of us breifly before his submissiom 06:23 dcook fontfaceobserver.min.js is coming up as a virus to Symantec Endpoint Protection 06:23 huginn Bug 20554: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, claire_gravely, CLOSED FIXED, New OPAC CSS 06:23 dcook For instance: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20554#c55 06:23 ashimema ByWater, Biblibre and Ptfs-e just have a mutual agreement to keep funding him for a certain amount.. but we deliberately don't steer where he spends that time so he can the freedom to do what's best for community. 06:23 dcook I can't remember what else I've asked about. It's been a full on day. 06:22 dcook I suppose I'm partially curious from a business/accounting perspective 06:22 ashimema As for how Joubu is funded.. he's not on contract as such.. though we do ocassionaly also cint act work to him on top 06:22 dcook Brain going fast 24/7 but all good 06:21 dcook Yeah it's nice to be around ^_^ 06:21 ashimema Didn't realise I used ellipses.. oops 06:21 ashimema Nice to see you around so much at the moment. :) 06:20 dcook ashimema: ^ 06:20 dcook Sure am 06:20 ashimema dcook still around? 06:20 ashimema Morning 02:05 dcook Of course, I always have a million thoughts about everything 02:05 dcook Oh yeah haha 02:00 tuxayo Ho, it's already there! 02:00 tuxayo I'll try to not miss this :) 02:00 tuxayo > I have some thoughts on CPAN and Carton. I'll email the listserv about it. 02:00 tuxayo dcook: