IRC log for #koha, 2019-11-15

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07:23 Abhishek Hi
07:23 Abhishek is there a way to rename the catalog form field names and rearrange in order required using MARC structure
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07:30 reiveune hello
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07:30 fridolin its winter or what  ? its freezing ;)
07:31 fridolin and soon Frozen II
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07:59 alex_a Bonjour
07:59 wahanui bidet, alex_a
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08:25 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
08:25 wahanui Congratulations!
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08:38 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea Hmm, I'm not sure about translation sizes to be honest. looks like the build is around the 800mb mark (for the whole set) each time at the moment and I'm not sure we've added many translations of late so that's probably a fairly good estimate.. It's an rsync so should be replacing the existing files with updated one's right... so.. I'd say for each koha version which we still provide the manual for you're looking at around an
08:38 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:38 ashimema 800mb requirement for the html docs..
08:38 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea.. ooh.. I forgot we also host ePubs.. i've not build those yet.. will run a local build of those to get the numbers
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08:40 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea perhaps we aught to start archiving the unsupported koha version manuals a little more.. I'd be interested in the stats for how often the koha 3.0 manual is looked at these days.. we've got manuals for every versino since then available on the site.. maybe providing those as a downloadable zip might save us some space?
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09:05 davidnind @later tell caroline_catlady Thanks for chairing the documentation meeting. (Slept through my alarm :-()
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09:07 davidnind @later tell caroline_catlady Created an issue for Git workflow and branching, would welcome some input on the 'correct' way to do this[…]-manual/issues/16
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09:08 davidnind caroline_catlady++
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09:27 sev_q Good morning Koha !
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09:31 ashimema mornin' #koha
09:31 ashimema hi davidnind.. isn't it rather late for you there?
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09:33 ashimema my biggest advice take away on the speel I just wrote on issue 16 is to split the work.. if you can delegate some of the branch maintanence out that will ease the effort allot
09:33 ashimema my biggest advice take away on the speel I just wrote on issue 16 is to split the work.. if you can delegate some of the branch maintanence out that will ease the effort allot
09:34 davidnind ashimema: only about 10:30pm
09:35 davidnind ashimema: apologies for missing the documentation meeting, looks like lots of really useful discussions...
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09:38 ashimema no worries at all.. it's a terrible time for you that slot
09:39 ashimema hopefully a much better one for the next meeting again
09:39 ashimema there really is not perfect time for you guys and us to meet.. but I tihnk the late slot tends to be a little better really
09:40 davidnind ashimema: thanks for the comments on issue 16, glad I was on the right track (I also wrote it before I read the documentation meeting minutes!)
09:40 ashimema still we now have working manuals in all langauge for 19.05 and 19.11.. that's really nice to see.. that task has been on my list for months :)
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09:41 davidnind ashimema++
09:42 Joubu I post a comment as well on[…]-manual/issues/13
09:42 davidnind thanks for all the work between you all for sorting this out!
09:42 davidnind thanks Joubu!
09:42 Joubu maybe it belongs to the other issue actually. The workflow is quite clear in my head, but it really depends on what the doc team wants
09:44 davidnind I don't like the merge commits showing myself, it makes the git history look really messy (in my view)
09:45 davidnind ashimema: just going through the changes to the manual in the last day to make sure that they are all all in 19.05 (will let all the current running pipelines finish before I do any more...)
09:47 ashimema thanks davidnind.. I was about to ask if you had that in hand :)
09:47 ashimema sounds like you do
09:48 ashimema agreed. lets kill merge commits.. I think it's just historical it was setup that way..
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09:48 Joubu it's the default value on gitlab
09:49 ashimema it's the `instant` side of translations I really struggled to wrap my head aroud Joubu.. you're brains there will be very helpful.. as for the monthly update of translations to correspond roughly with release for the maintanence branches.. I think that's great and is also what I wanted to suggest.
09:51 ashimema So.. gitlab-ci wise I think my next target is to run a slightly different version of the build command depending on what's been pushed.. if /locales hasn't been touched I think we should only rebuild the en version of the manual..
09:51 ashimema that should make the build significantly lighter
09:52 Joubu yes, but then they won't be in sync
09:52 ashimema the public runner of gitlab are capped by the number of cpu minutes.. so if we can reduce that we could possibly turn back on the public running of jobs so we know if failures are going to happen before the merge rather than after.
09:53 ashimema how does it work when the po's aren't in sync already?
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09:53 ashimema ok.. there's my confusion.. how are the po's generated in the first place..
09:56 Joubu po's are coming from pootle, added to the repo manually
09:57 Joubu ashimema: the problem is not the po's. You will have "en" with paragraphs/changes that do not appear in the translated versions.
10:00 ashimema indeed
10:00 ashimema so when we build a manual.. if the paragraph isn't found in a po.. then the translation just uses the english right
10:03 ashimema that's why we rebuild all languages every time..
10:08 ashimema i see
10:08 ashimema i see
10:08 ashimema_ grr
10:08 ashimema_ back to irccloud again I go
10:08 ashimema_ right.. new task for today.. drop using
10:09 ashimema i see
10:09 ashimema I'd like to automate the process such that whenever stuff is pushed to a branch in gitlab, it triggers a push to such that the new strings to be translated are available for immediate translation
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11:39 ashimema_ no cait today?
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11:46 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
11:46 wahanui Congratulations!
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12:24 eythian hi
12:26 eythian ashimema_: calire is also in /away, perhaps it's a German thing.
12:26 wahanui okay, eythian.
12:27 * eythian leaves that factoid there to confuse future people.
12:28 calire cait has holiday
12:28 calire I was on lunch ;)
12:30 eythian ah, fair enough then :)
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12:36 fridolin ashimema ashimema_ hi, can you have a look at Bug 23822
12:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23822 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Regression: As of 19.05.04 deletion of patrons with outstanding credits is silently blocked
12:36 fridolin i create a followup if you wahnt
12:37 fridolin of Joubu ^
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13:19 fridolin wahanui: i'm i online ?
13:19 wahanui fridolin: no idea
13:19 fridolin oki thanks
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14:53 fridolin Joubu: Bug 23822 i think it needs a FU
14:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23822 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Regression: As of 19.05.04 deletion of patrons with outstanding credits is silently blocked
14:53 corilynn FU?
14:56 fridolin follow-up ^^
14:56 corilynn ah
14:58 corilynn does anyone know a quick / easy way to update the colors in Koha, I got 17 instances I need to tell apart easier
14:59 kidclamp
14:59 kidclamp in the userjs
14:59 kidclamp or you can put it in usercss
14:59 corilynn excellent, knew you'd know
15:00 corilynn kidclamp, that's not in the interface somewhere?
15:01 kidclamp it's in the sysprefs, intranetuserjs or opacuserjs
15:01 corilynn so, no?
15:04 wizzyrea you could put just body { background: MediumSeaGreen; } in the opacusercss
15:04 wizzyrea or intranetusercss I guess you'd rather
15:05 corilynn pretend I'm not understanding... where are these files?
15:05 wizzyrea Administration -> System Preferences, search for intranetusercss
15:05 wizzyrea click the little blue "edit" link
15:05 wizzyrea paste that wee snippet in there
15:05 wizzyrea body { background: MediumSeaGreen; }
15:06 wizzyrea click save
15:06 wizzyrea :D
15:06 corilynn wizzyrea++
15:07 corilynn sometimes i feel like it's another world out there
15:07 wizzyrea hehe
15:08 wizzyrea of course you can pick any color named or hex - you'd just put it in over MediumSeaGreen
15:08 corilynn word
15:08 * wizzyrea doesn't know how much you need to know so just dumps all of the info
15:09 corilynn happy to get the full dump
15:11 wizzyrea ashimema, I think those older ones aren't the big ones - they're quite small. It'll really start becoming a "problem" when we have 20 archived versions the size of the ones we're doing now
15:11 wizzyrea but not really bc we'll compress them
15:11 wizzyrea or do something else
15:11 wizzyrea but it does bring up - those manuals are rather historical-ish documents now
15:11 wizzyrea and we should find a place to archive them that is safe
15:13 ashimema_ agreed
15:13 ashimema_ yeah.. the current old crop arent huge.. it was more a plan for the future thing
15:20 corilynn well, it might drive everyone nuts with my colors, but they don't have to administer 17 seperate instances!
15:21 corilynn ashimema_, I did some wrangling last night ... I set a few to "RESOLVED" and "WORKSFORME" I think some were fixed by accident
15:22 ashimema_ :)
15:22 ashimema_ awesome
15:22 corilynn that's the right combo then?
15:22 ashimema_ :)
15:22 ashimema_ yup
15:22 corilynn kewl
15:22 ashimema_ as a different answer to your question above
15:22 corilynn it's easy to do at the ref desk
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15:23 ashimema_ you could use something like the stylebot extension for chrome-[…]jpgmdaleoha?hl=en
15:23 ashimema_ so.. at a per URL level you could apply those css snippets.. but have it only apply in your browser.. that way YOU can spot the difference really quickly.. but your not changing it for the customers.
15:23 corilynn well, the URL changes everyday...
15:24 corilynn I'm hosting these babies on AWS
15:24 corilynn they shutdown at 9pm every night and start up when the user needs them
15:24 corilynn my "customers" are catalogers for other libraries and publishers
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15:48 oleonard Hi #koha
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16:10 wizzyrea hi oleonard
16:10 wahanui hi oleopard
16:15 oleonard rsync is bad and should feel bad
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16:37 * cait waves
16:37 oleonard Hi cait
16:39 tcohen hi #koha
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18:31 oleonard @quote get 123
18:31 huginn oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:31 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
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22:56 marieluce Have a lovely weekend all!
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