Time  Nick         Message
06:32 marcelr      hi #koha
06:33 marcelr      hi calire
06:33 calire       hi marcelr
07:23 Abhishek     Hi
07:23 Abhishek     is there a way to rename the catalog form field names and rearrange in order required using MARC structure
07:30 reiveune     hello
07:30 fridolin     hi
07:30 fridolin     its winter or what  ? its freezing ;)
07:31 fridolin     and soon Frozen II
07:59 alex_a       Bonjour
07:59 wahanui      bidet, alex_a
08:25 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
08:25 wahanui      Congratulations!
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08:38 ashimema     @later tell wizzyrea Hmm, I'm not sure about translation sizes to be honest. looks like the build is around the 800mb mark (for the whole set) each time at the moment and I'm not sure we've added many translations of late so that's probably a fairly good estimate.. It's an rsync so should be replacing the existing files with updated one's right... so.. I'd say for each koha version which we still provide the manual for you're looking at around an
08:38 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:38 ashimema     800mb requirement for the html docs..
08:38 ashimema     @later tell wizzyrea.. ooh.. I forgot we also host ePubs.. i've not build those yet.. will run a local build of those to get the numbers
08:38 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:40 ashimema     @later tell wizzyrea perhaps we aught to start archiving the unsupported koha version manuals a little more.. I'd be interested in the stats for how often the koha 3.0 manual is looked at these days.. we've got manuals for every versino since then available on the site.. maybe providing those as a downloadable zip might save us some space?
08:40 huginn       ashimema: The operation succeeded.
09:05 davidnind    @later tell caroline_catlady Thanks for chairing the documentation meeting. (Slept through my alarm :-()
09:05 huginn       davidnind: The operation succeeded.
09:07 davidnind    @later tell caroline_catlady Created an issue for Git workflow and branching, would welcome some input on the 'correct' way to do this https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/issues/16
09:07 huginn       davidnind: The operation succeeded.
09:08 davidnind    caroline_catlady++
09:27 sev_q        Good morning Koha !
09:31 ashimema     mornin' #koha
09:31 ashimema     hi davidnind.. isn't it rather late for you there?
09:33 ashimema     my biggest advice take away on the speel I just wrote on issue 16 is to split the work.. if you can delegate some of the branch maintanence out that will ease the effort allot
09:33 ashimema     my biggest advice take away on the speel I just wrote on issue 16 is to split the work.. if you can delegate some of the branch maintanence out that will ease the effort allot
09:34 davidnind    ashimema: only about 10:30pm
09:35 davidnind    ashimema: apologies for missing the documentation meeting, looks like lots of really useful discussions...
09:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #57: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/57/
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09:38 ashimema     no worries at all.. it's a terrible time for you that slot
09:39 ashimema     hopefully a much better one for the next meeting again
09:39 ashimema     there really is not perfect time for you guys and us to meet.. but I tihnk the late slot tends to be a little better really
09:40 davidnind    ashimema: thanks for the comments on issue 16, glad I was on the right track (I also wrote it before I read the documentation meeting minutes!)
09:40 ashimema     still we now have working manuals in all langauge for 19.05 and 19.11.. that's really nice to see.. that task has been on my list for months :)
09:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #56: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/56/
09:41 davidnind    ashimema++
09:42 Joubu        I post a comment as well on https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/issues/13
09:42 davidnind    thanks for all the work between you all for sorting this out!
09:42 davidnind    thanks Joubu!
09:42 Joubu        maybe it belongs to the other issue actually. The workflow is quite clear in my head, but it really depends on what the doc team wants
09:44 davidnind    I don't like the merge commits showing myself, it makes the git history look really messy (in my view)
09:45 davidnind    ashimema: just going through the changes to the manual in the last day to make sure that they are all all in 19.05 (will let all the current running pipelines finish before I do any more...)
09:47 ashimema     thanks davidnind.. I was about to ask if you had that in hand :)
09:47 ashimema     sounds like you do
09:48 ashimema     agreed. lets kill merge commits.. I think it's just historical it was setup that way..
09:48 Joubu        it's the default value on gitlab
09:49 ashimema     it's the `instant` side of translations I really struggled to wrap my head aroud Joubu.. you're brains there will be very helpful.. as for the monthly update of translations to correspond roughly with release for the maintanence branches.. I think that's great and is also what I wanted to suggest.
09:51 ashimema     So.. gitlab-ci wise I think my next target is to run a slightly different version of the build command depending on what's been pushed.. if /locales hasn't been touched I think we should only rebuild the en version of the manual..
09:51 ashimema     that should make the build significantly lighter
09:52 Joubu        yes, but then they won't be in sync
09:52 ashimema     the public runner of gitlab are capped by the number of cpu minutes.. so if we can reduce that we could possibly turn back on the public running of jobs so we know if failures are going to happen before the merge rather than after.
09:53 ashimema     how does it work when the po's aren't in sync already?
09:53 ashimema     ok.. there's my confusion.. how are the po's generated in the first place..
09:56 Joubu        po's are coming from pootle, added to the repo manually
09:57 Joubu        ashimema: the problem is not the po's. You will have "en" with paragraphs/changes that do not appear in the translated versions.
10:00 ashimema     indeed
10:00 ashimema     so when we build a manual.. if the paragraph isn't found in a po.. then the translation just uses the english right
10:03 ashimema     that's why we rebuild all languages every time..
10:08 ashimema     i see
10:08 ashimema     i see
10:08 ashimema_    grr
10:08 ashimema_    back to irccloud again I go
10:08 ashimema_    right.. new task for today.. drop using matrix.org
10:09 ashimema     i see
10:09 ashimema     I'd like to automate the process such that whenever stuff is pushed to a branch in gitlab, it triggers a push to translate.koha-community.org such that the new strings to be translated are available for immediate translation
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11:39 ashimema_    no cait today?
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11:46 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
11:46 wahanui      Congratulations!
11:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #59: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/59/
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12:24 eythian      hi
12:26 eythian      ashimema_: calire is also in /away, perhaps it's a German thing.
12:26 wahanui      okay, eythian.
12:27 * eythian    leaves that factoid there to confuse future people.
12:28 calire       cait has holiday
12:28 calire       I was on lunch ;)
12:30 eythian      ah, fair enough then :)
12:36 fridolin     ashimema ashimema_ hi, can you have a look at Bug 23822
12:36 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23822 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Regression: As of 19.05.04 deletion of patrons with outstanding credits is silently blocked
12:36 fridolin     i create a followup if you wahnt
12:37 fridolin     of Joubu ^
13:19 fridolin     wahanui: i'm i online ?
13:19 wahanui      fridolin: no idea
13:19 fridolin     oki thanks
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14:53 fridolin     Joubu: Bug 23822 i think it needs a FU
14:53 huginn       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23822 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Regression: As of 19.05.04 deletion of patrons with outstanding credits is silently blocked
14:53 corilynn     FU?
14:56 fridolin     follow-up ^^
14:56 corilynn     ah
14:58 corilynn     does anyone know a quick / easy way to update the colors in Koha, I got 17 instances I need to tell apart easier
14:59 kidclamp     https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DqauN8PV/
14:59 kidclamp     in the userjs
14:59 kidclamp     or you can put it in usercss
14:59 corilynn     excellent, knew you'd know
15:00 corilynn     kidclamp, that's not in the interface somewhere?
15:01 kidclamp     it's in the sysprefs, intranetuserjs or opacuserjs
15:01 corilynn     so, no?
15:04 wizzyrea     you could put just body { background: MediumSeaGreen; } in the opacusercss
15:04 wizzyrea     or intranetusercss I guess you'd rather
15:05 corilynn     pretend I'm not understanding... where are these files?
15:05 wizzyrea     Administration -> System Preferences, search for intranetusercss
15:05 wizzyrea     click the little blue "edit" link
15:05 wizzyrea     paste that wee snippet in there
15:05 wizzyrea     body { background: MediumSeaGreen; }
15:06 wizzyrea     click save
15:06 wizzyrea     :D
15:06 corilynn     wizzyrea++
15:07 corilynn     sometimes i feel like it's another world out there
15:07 wizzyrea     hehe
15:08 wizzyrea     of course you can pick any color named or hex - you'd just put it in over MediumSeaGreen
15:08 corilynn     word
15:08 * wizzyrea   doesn't know how much you need to know so just dumps all of the info
15:09 corilynn     happy to get the full dump
15:11 wizzyrea     ashimema, I think those older ones aren't the big ones - they're quite small. It'll really start becoming a "problem" when we have 20 archived versions the size of the ones we're doing now
15:11 wizzyrea     but not really bc we'll compress them
15:11 wizzyrea     or do something else
15:11 wizzyrea     but it does bring up - those manuals are rather historical-ish documents now
15:11 wizzyrea     and we should find a place to archive them that is safe
15:13 ashimema_    agreed
15:13 ashimema_    yeah.. the current old crop arent huge.. it was more a plan for the future thing
15:20 corilynn     well, it might drive everyone nuts with my colors, but they don't have to administer 17 seperate instances!
15:21 corilynn     ashimema_, I did some wrangling last night ... I set a few to "RESOLVED" and "WORKSFORME" I think some were fixed by accident
15:22 ashimema_    :)
15:22 ashimema_    awesome
15:22 corilynn     that's the right combo then?
15:22 ashimema_    :)
15:22 ashimema_    yup
15:22 corilynn     kewl
15:22 ashimema_    as a different answer to your question above
15:22 corilynn     it's easy to do at the ref desk
15:23 ashimema_    you could use something like the stylebot extension for chrome- https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha?hl=en
15:23 ashimema_    so.. at a per URL level you could apply those css snippets.. but have it only apply in your browser.. that way YOU can spot the difference really quickly.. but your not changing it for the customers.
15:23 corilynn     well, the URL changes everyday...
15:24 corilynn     I'm hosting these babies on AWS
15:24 corilynn     they shutdown at 9pm every night and start up when the user needs them
15:24 corilynn     my "customers" are catalogers for other libraries and publishers
15:48 oleonard     Hi #koha
16:10 wizzyrea     hi oleonard
16:10 wahanui      hi oleopard
16:15 oleonard     rsync is bad and should feel bad
16:37 * cait       waves
16:37 oleonard     Hi cait
16:39 tcohen       hi #koha
18:31 oleonard     @quote get 123
18:31 huginn       oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
18:31 wahanui      i already had it that way, huginn.
18:47 reiveune     bye
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22:22 eythian      https://phys.org/news/2019-11-the-smell-of-old-books.html
22:56 marieluce    Have a lovely weekend all!