Time Nick Message 06:32 marcelr hi #koha 06:33 marcelr hi calire 06:33 calire hi marcelr 07:23 Abhishek Hi 07:23 Abhishek is there a way to rename the catalog form field names and rearrange in order required using MARC structure 07:30 reiveune hello 07:30 fridolin hi 07:30 fridolin its winter or what ? its freezing ;) 07:31 fridolin and soon Frozen II 07:59 alex_a Bonjour 07:59 wahanui bidet, alex_a 08:25 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 08:25 wahanui Congratulations! 08:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #56: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/56/ 08:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #57: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/57/ 08:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #55: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/55/ 08:38 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea Hmm, I'm not sure about translation sizes to be honest. looks like the build is around the 800mb mark (for the whole set) each time at the moment and I'm not sure we've added many translations of late so that's probably a fairly good estimate.. It's an rsync so should be replacing the existing files with updated one's right... so.. I'd say for each koha version which we still provide the manual for you're looking at around an 08:38 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:38 ashimema 800mb requirement for the html docs.. 08:38 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea.. ooh.. I forgot we also host ePubs.. i've not build those yet.. will run a local build of those to get the numbers 08:38 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:40 ashimema @later tell wizzyrea perhaps we aught to start archiving the unsupported koha version manuals a little more.. I'd be interested in the stats for how often the koha 3.0 manual is looked at these days.. we've got manuals for every versino since then available on the site.. maybe providing those as a downloadable zip might save us some space? 08:40 huginn ashimema: The operation succeeded. 09:05 davidnind @later tell caroline_catlady Thanks for chairing the documentation meeting. (Slept through my alarm :-() 09:05 huginn davidnind: The operation succeeded. 09:07 davidnind @later tell caroline_catlady Created an issue for Git workflow and branching, would welcome some input on the 'correct' way to do this https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/issues/16 09:07 huginn davidnind: The operation succeeded. 09:08 davidnind caroline_catlady++ 09:27 sev_q Good morning Koha ! 09:31 ashimema mornin' #koha 09:31 ashimema hi davidnind.. isn't it rather late for you there? 09:33 ashimema my biggest advice take away on the speel I just wrote on issue 16 is to split the work.. if you can delegate some of the branch maintanence out that will ease the effort allot 09:33 ashimema my biggest advice take away on the speel I just wrote on issue 16 is to split the work.. if you can delegate some of the branch maintanence out that will ease the effort allot 09:34 davidnind ashimema: only about 10:30pm 09:35 davidnind ashimema: apologies for missing the documentation meeting, looks like lots of really useful discussions... 09:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #57: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/57/ 09:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #58: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/58/ 09:38 ashimema no worries at all.. it's a terrible time for you that slot 09:39 ashimema hopefully a much better one for the next meeting again 09:39 ashimema there really is not perfect time for you guys and us to meet.. but I tihnk the late slot tends to be a little better really 09:40 davidnind ashimema: thanks for the comments on issue 16, glad I was on the right track (I also wrote it before I read the documentation meeting minutes!) 09:40 ashimema still we now have working manuals in all langauge for 19.05 and 19.11.. that's really nice to see.. that task has been on my list for months :) 09:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #56: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/56/ 09:41 davidnind ashimema++ 09:42 Joubu I post a comment as well on https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/issues/13 09:42 davidnind thanks for all the work between you all for sorting this out! 09:42 davidnind thanks Joubu! 09:42 Joubu maybe it belongs to the other issue actually. The workflow is quite clear in my head, but it really depends on what the doc team wants 09:44 davidnind I don't like the merge commits showing myself, it makes the git history look really messy (in my view) 09:45 davidnind ashimema: just going through the changes to the manual in the last day to make sure that they are all all in 19.05 (will let all the current running pipelines finish before I do any more...) 09:47 ashimema thanks davidnind.. I was about to ask if you had that in hand :) 09:47 ashimema sounds like you do 09:48 ashimema agreed. lets kill merge commits.. I think it's just historical it was setup that way.. 09:48 Joubu it's the default value on gitlab 09:49 ashimema it's the `instant` side of translations I really struggled to wrap my head aroud Joubu.. you're brains there will be very helpful.. as for the monthly update of translations to correspond roughly with release for the maintanence branches.. I think that's great and is also what I wanted to suggest. 09:51 ashimema So.. gitlab-ci wise I think my next target is to run a slightly different version of the build command depending on what's been pushed.. if /locales hasn't been touched I think we should only rebuild the en version of the manual.. 09:51 ashimema that should make the build significantly lighter 09:52 Joubu yes, but then they won't be in sync 09:52 ashimema the public runner of gitlab are capped by the number of cpu minutes.. so if we can reduce that we could possibly turn back on the public running of jobs so we know if failures are going to happen before the merge rather than after. 09:53 ashimema how does it work when the po's aren't in sync already? 09:53 ashimema ok.. there's my confusion.. how are the po's generated in the first place.. 09:56 Joubu po's are coming from pootle, added to the repo manually 09:57 Joubu ashimema: the problem is not the po's. You will have "en" with paragraphs/changes that do not appear in the translated versions. 10:00 ashimema indeed 10:00 ashimema so when we build a manual.. if the paragraph isn't found in a po.. then the translation just uses the english right 10:03 ashimema that's why we rebuild all languages every time.. 10:08 ashimema i see 10:08 ashimema i see 10:08 ashimema_ grr 10:08 ashimema_ back to irccloud again I go 10:08 ashimema_ right.. new task for today.. drop using matrix.org 10:09 ashimema i see 10:09 ashimema I'd like to automate the process such that whenever stuff is pushed to a branch in gitlab, it triggers a push to translate.koha-community.org such that the new strings to be translated are available for immediate translation 10:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #58: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/58/ 10:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #59: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/59/ 10:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #57: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/57/ 11:39 ashimema_ no cait today? 11:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #60: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/60/ 11:46 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 11:46 wahanui Congratulations! 11:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #59: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/59/ 11:46 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #58: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/58/ 12:24 eythian hi 12:26 eythian ashimema_: calire is also in /away, perhaps it's a German thing. 12:26 wahanui okay, eythian. 12:27 * eythian leaves that factoid there to confuse future people. 12:28 calire cait has holiday 12:28 calire I was on lunch ;) 12:30 eythian ah, fair enough then :) 12:36 fridolin ashimema ashimema_ hi, can you have a look at Bug 23822 12:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23822 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Regression: As of 19.05.04 deletion of patrons with outstanding credits is silently blocked 12:36 fridolin i create a followup if you wahnt 12:37 fridolin of Joubu ^ 13:19 fridolin wahanui: i'm i online ? 13:19 wahanui fridolin: no idea 13:19 fridolin oki thanks 13:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #60: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U18/60/ 13:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #61: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/61/ 13:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #59: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D8/59/ 14:53 fridolin Joubu: Bug 23822 i think it needs a FU 14:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23822 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Regression: As of 19.05.04 deletion of patrons with outstanding credits is silently blocked 14:53 corilynn FU? 14:56 fridolin follow-up ^^ 14:56 corilynn ah 14:58 corilynn does anyone know a quick / easy way to update the colors in Koha, I got 17 instances I need to tell apart easier 14:59 kidclamp https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DqauN8PV/ 14:59 kidclamp in the userjs 14:59 kidclamp or you can put it in usercss 14:59 corilynn excellent, knew you'd know 15:00 corilynn kidclamp, that's not in the interface somewhere? 15:01 kidclamp it's in the sysprefs, intranetuserjs or opacuserjs 15:01 corilynn so, no? 15:04 wizzyrea you could put just body { background: MediumSeaGreen; } in the opacusercss 15:04 wizzyrea or intranetusercss I guess you'd rather 15:05 corilynn pretend I'm not understanding... where are these files? 15:05 wizzyrea Administration -> System Preferences, search for intranetusercss 15:05 wizzyrea click the little blue "edit" link 15:05 wizzyrea paste that wee snippet in there 15:05 wizzyrea body { background: MediumSeaGreen; } 15:06 wizzyrea click save 15:06 wizzyrea :D 15:06 corilynn wizzyrea++ 15:07 corilynn sometimes i feel like it's another world out there 15:07 wizzyrea hehe 15:08 wizzyrea of course you can pick any color named or hex - you'd just put it in over MediumSeaGreen 15:08 corilynn word 15:08 * wizzyrea doesn't know how much you need to know so just dumps all of the info 15:09 corilynn happy to get the full dump 15:11 wizzyrea ashimema, I think those older ones aren't the big ones - they're quite small. It'll really start becoming a "problem" when we have 20 archived versions the size of the ones we're doing now 15:11 wizzyrea but not really bc we'll compress them 15:11 wizzyrea or do something else 15:11 wizzyrea but it does bring up - those manuals are rather historical-ish documents now 15:11 wizzyrea and we should find a place to archive them that is safe 15:13 ashimema_ agreed 15:13 ashimema_ yeah.. the current old crop arent huge.. it was more a plan for the future thing 15:20 corilynn well, it might drive everyone nuts with my colors, but they don't have to administer 17 seperate instances! 15:21 corilynn ashimema_, I did some wrangling last night ... I set a few to "RESOLVED" and "WORKSFORME" I think some were fixed by accident 15:22 ashimema_ :) 15:22 ashimema_ awesome 15:22 corilynn that's the right combo then? 15:22 ashimema_ :) 15:22 ashimema_ yup 15:22 corilynn kewl 15:22 ashimema_ as a different answer to your question above 15:22 corilynn it's easy to do at the ref desk 15:23 ashimema_ you could use something like the stylebot extension for chrome- https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylebot/oiaejidbmkiecgbjeifoejpgmdaleoha?hl=en 15:23 ashimema_ so.. at a per URL level you could apply those css snippets.. but have it only apply in your browser.. that way YOU can spot the difference really quickly.. but your not changing it for the customers. 15:23 corilynn well, the URL changes everyday... 15:24 corilynn I'm hosting these babies on AWS 15:24 corilynn they shutdown at 9pm every night and start up when the user needs them 15:24 corilynn my "customers" are catalogers for other libraries and publishers 15:48 oleonard Hi #koha 16:10 wizzyrea hi oleonard 16:10 wahanui hi oleopard 16:15 oleonard rsync is bad and should feel bad 16:37 * cait waves 16:37 oleonard Hi cait 16:39 tcohen hi #koha 18:31 oleonard @quote get 123 18:31 huginn oleonard: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) 18:31 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 18:47 reiveune bye 19:16 tuxayo[m] !bang 19:16 AnnaBoten There is no hunt right now! 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