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| 00:12 |
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oleonard |
Is Hayley ever on here? |
| 00:15 |
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| 00:16 |
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wizzyrea |
she should be, alexuckley is away on holiday tho so she might be really busy |
| 00:16 |
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wizzyrea |
speaking of you |
| 00:16 |
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wizzyrea |
i was looking at 22803 and I'm not seeing the table squish? |
| 00:16 |
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oleonard |
That's me |
| 00:16 |
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wizzyrea |
on master |
| 00:17 |
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wizzyrea |
the holdings table is squished |
| 00:17 |
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wizzyrea |
but not the subscription ones |
| 00:18 |
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oleonard |
I was only able to reproduce the problem if I started with a narrow browser, then expanded it. I don't think it has to do with columns being hidden. I think it just has to do with DataTable initially rendering a table with a pixel-defined width |
| 00:18 |
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wizzyrea |
this is the opac right? |
| 00:18 |
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oleonard |
Yes, subscriptions on opac-detail |
| 00:19 |
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wizzyrea |
oh there it is |
| 00:19 |
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wizzyrea |
yes thank you for the tip I see it now |
| 00:19 |
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wizzyrea |
I was like it's not doing that! |
| 00:19 |
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oleonard |
Yeah I had the same problem at first |
| 00:20 |
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wizzyrea |
the holdings table also does that weird thing |
| 00:20 |
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wizzyrea |
would the same fix work? |
| 00:20 |
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oleonard |
I commented on the bug that the "autowidth" option should probably be set to "false" in a global configuration rather than table by table |
| 00:20 |
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oleonard |
I can't think of a reason to have it keep a fixed width |
| 00:21 |
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* oleonard |
has a talent for uttering famous last words |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
haha |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
so it's just that one little bit there :P |
| 00:21 |
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wizzyrea |
is that what makes the table squish nicely too? |
| 00:22 |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, collapse nicely for responsive view |
| 00:22 |
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oleonard |
I should have changed more lines just to make the effort look heroic |
| 00:22 |
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wizzyrea |
hehehe |
| 00:22 |
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oleonard |
The collapsing table is something separate... Should probably be improved upon. |
| 00:23 |
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oleonard |
Some table have relatively readable data without table headers, others don't |
| 00:25 |
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wizzyrea |
right |
| 00:25 |
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wizzyrea |
jeez |
| 00:25 |
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wizzyrea |
that's insanely good thing to know |
| 00:25 |
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wizzyrea |
oleonard++ |
| 00:26 |
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* oleonard |
disappears again |
| 00:26 |
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* oleonard |
is away: I'm busy |
| 00:36 |
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wizzyrea |
hi kathryn |
| 00:49 |
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| 00:49 |
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kathryn |
hi wizzyrea :) am back after a large working-at-home lunch hehe |
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| 05:11 |
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indradg |
Hi #koha |
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| 07:30 |
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| 07:41 |
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rangi |
this is a cool trick |
| 07:42 |
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rangi |
https://repo.or.cz/koha.git/bundles |
| 07:42 |
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ashimema |
oh.. hello rangi |
| 07:42 |
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rangi |
hey ashimema |
| 07:42 |
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wahanui |
somebody said ashimema was RMaint for 18.05 ? |
| 07:43 |
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* ashimema |
wonders where that git bundle trick suddenly came from.. have we been having git server overload issues again? |
| 07:43 |
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rangi |
nope |
| 07:43 |
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rangi |
its just super slow to clone the repo |
| 07:43 |
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ashimema |
oh good.. I certainly hadn't noticed any |
| 07:43 |
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rangi |
when you are starting from scratch |
| 07:43 |
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ashimema |
is our repo really over 10G now |
| 07:44 |
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rangi |
ie a new devbox |
| 07:44 |
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rangi |
yep |
| 07:44 |
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ashimema |
blimey |
| 07:44 |
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ashimema |
gitlab is complaining when it tries to mirror |
| 07:44 |
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rangi |
so repo.cz has been mirroring for years |
| 07:44 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 07:44 |
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rangi |
but they only just added this bundle trick |
| 07:45 |
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ashimema |
I see.. it's pretty cool |
| 07:45 |
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ashimema |
I've used it a few times myself elsewhere |
| 07:45 |
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rangi |
we could in theory make the devbox grab a bundle |
| 07:45 |
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ashimema |
not a bad idea at all |
| 07:45 |
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rangi |
and the set the origin |
| 07:45 |
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rangi |
would go from 3 hours to 10-15 mins |
| 07:46 |
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rangi |
just thinking tricks for the bugs session cait and I doing |
| 07:46 |
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ashimema |
do we not already shallow clone and things? |
| 07:46 |
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rangi |
it doesn't seem to |
| 07:48 |
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* ashimema |
will admit he still doesn't understand git behind the scenes enough to know why/how our repo is so huge |
| 07:48 |
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ashimema |
2 decades of history I suppose |
| 07:48 |
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rangi |
its mostly the .po files |
| 07:49 |
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ashimema |
we've discussed slimming it all down a number of times before haven't we? |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
one of the plans and I made the repo |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
so ill talk with you in 2.5 weeks |
| 07:49 |
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ashimema |
:) |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
basically we just need to change the release procedure |
| 07:49 |
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ashimema |
sounds great |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
to get the .po files from elsewhere, and add them to the tar etc |
| 07:49 |
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* ashimema |
is more than happy to be forward thinking there |
| 07:49 |
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rangi |
same with the packaging scripts |
| 07:50 |
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rangi |
even if we move them out, it wont slim, but it will stop it growing so fast, then we can slim it next step |
| 07:50 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 07:51 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ons.git;a=summary |
| 07:51 |
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ashimema |
I'm sure there's lots we can do to slim it down, but it's more about making decisions on how/what to lose |
| 07:51 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 07:51 |
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* magnuse |
waves to rangi and ashimema, then goes for a drive |
| 07:51 |
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rangi |
i think if we remove the history of the po files, it would drop us a lot of GB |
| 07:51 |
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rangi |
the diffs of those are big |
| 07:52 |
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ashimema |
we don't have anyone signed up as translation manager for the next cycle yet :( |
| 07:52 |
|
rangi |
i reckon we can aim for 19.11 to be the first release that uses a sep repo for translations |
| 07:52 |
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ashimema |
oh yeah, that would be great.. especially as splitting it out means we don't really loose the history.. just move it |
| 07:52 |
|
rangi |
yeah |
| 07:53 |
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ashimema |
that would be great |
| 07:53 |
|
ashimema |
do we have a consistent plan for manual translations yet |
| 07:54 |
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ashimema |
I've lost track somewhat there |
| 07:54 |
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ashimema |
sounds like a similar approach from the start would be good |
| 07:54 |
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rangi |
we sorta do |
| 07:54 |
|
rangi |
theres an email thread going at the moment |
| 07:55 |
|
rangi |
i figure we can happen out a consistent plan in person, and document it, and then make it so |
| 07:56 |
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ashimema |
kohacon for the win |
| 07:56 |
|
rangi |
yep :) |
| 07:57 |
|
ashimema |
it's times like these I regret how dispersed we all are.. there's nothing quit like sitting in a room together with the right key players for a few hours |
| 07:57 |
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rangi |
hi magnuse |
| 07:57 |
|
rangi |
yeah, thats why the kohacon are so important |
| 07:57 |
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rangi |
i hope caroline is able to come too |
| 07:57 |
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ashimema |
but then I remember how awesome it is I have friends from so many far flung places |
| 07:58 |
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rangi |
but with davidnind coming we will have a doc manager back up there too |
| 07:58 |
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ashimema |
:) |
| 08:29 |
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| 08:30 |
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ashimema |
cait around yet this morning? |
| 08:34 |
|
cait |
around now :) |
| 08:34 |
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cait |
sleeping in |
| 08:36 |
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cait |
ashimema: ? |
| 08:36 |
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ashimema |
I was going to ask your thoughts on bug 20310 |
| 08:36 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20310 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Article requests: Can we redirect article records without items to host record? |
| 08:37 |
|
cait |
hm I have to read it first |
| 08:37 |
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ashimema |
I've never seen a catalogue where the 773 contains biblionumbers (or the 001's match bibliobnumbers).. am I missing something somewhere? |
| 08:37 |
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cait |
which subfield? |
| 08:37 |
|
cait |
it would in $9 i think if you use EasyAnalytics |
| 08:38 |
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ashimema |
the bug always assumes 773$w contains a biblionumber |
| 08:38 |
|
cait |
orif you decide to make 001 = biblionumber... |
| 08:38 |
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ashimema |
there's nothing in Koha which maintaina 001 = biblionumber though is there? |
| 08:38 |
|
cait |
Unimarc used to map 001 to biblionumber i think in some old frameworks |
| 08:38 |
|
cait |
but it's not a safe assumption i think |
| 08:38 |
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ashimema |
interesting |
| 08:38 |
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ashimema |
haha.. well this code also ignore unimarc |
| 08:39 |
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cait |
the problem is that in marc21 you don't want to change that mapping i think, because of indexing |
| 08:39 |
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* ashimema |
would put money on the feature not working for you for example |
| 08:39 |
|
cait |
and making 001 biblionumber manually is tedious |
| 08:39 |
|
cait |
as you have to safe first and edit again |
| 08:39 |
|
cait |
and yeah, union catalogs |
| 08:40 |
|
cait |
why does it not use $w 001? |
| 08:40 |
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ashimema |
I think we need to add a db field which maps 003 + 001 (whatever they may contain in the mark record) |
| 08:40 |
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ashimema |
then link to that rather than always using biblionumber |
| 08:40 |
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cait |
i tihnk our feature to create analytics does that, the one colin did (Add > add analytic) |
| 08:40 |
|
cait |
true |
| 08:41 |
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ashimema |
yup |
| 08:41 |
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cait |
i've had some mind bending relaization too |
| 08:41 |
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cait |
if you read the MARC documentation it's not clear what $w links to |
| 08:41 |
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ashimema |
well.. it's just hard coded to do a '->find' and that uses biblionumber |
| 08:41 |
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cait |
i always assumed 001, becuase that is how Germany works |
| 08:41 |
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ashimema |
the test plan makes it clear |
| 08:41 |
|
cait |
but it could well be 035 |
| 08:41 |
|
ashimema |
indeed |
| 08:42 |
|
cait |
so probably the $w(prefix)something should look for 001+003 and 035(prefix)... |
| 08:42 |
|
cait |
and than the fact that $w is repeatable... and things get even harder |
| 08:42 |
|
ashimema |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]rt_Bibliographics |
| 08:42 |
|
ashimema |
it's always there for updates if you learn more.. share the love ;) |
| 08:42 |
|
cait |
heh |
| 08:42 |
|
ashimema |
scary |
| 08:42 |
|
cait |
yeah :( |
| 08:43 |
|
cait |
let me catch up on emails and i will hae a look |
| 08:43 |
|
cait |
but marcel might be around you might want to leave your questions |
| 08:43 |
|
cait |
he usually works with the standard, soi wonder why not here |
| 08:47 |
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ashimema |
as you say.. it's about the most obtuse area of MARC21 in my opinion |
| 08:47 |
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ashimema |
he may just not understand it or how Koha does things right now |
| 08:47 |
|
ashimema |
I know I don't fully understand either |
| 08:51 |
|
cait |
wizzyrea, oleonard: one problem with fluid width was the column for title getting really narrow in some cases i think, because titles can break well, while other data can not |
| 08:51 |
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cait |
marcel extended on my xslt code to understand prefixed |
| 08:51 |
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cait |
he knows :) |
| 08:52 |
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cait |
wizzyrea: oleonard: at least we fixed something there for item search a while aog.. might be a different setting than you were discussing |
| 08:59 |
|
cait |
[3] Create an ART biblio record, no items. Include a 773w pointing to the SER record with '(MARCorgcode)[recno]' (keep the parentheses, remove the square brackets when inserting the biblionumber). Include text in 773$g too. |
| 09:00 |
|
cait |
I think the assumption record contorl number = biblionumber is not safe |
| 09:00 |
|
cait |
and there is no way to turn this feature off |
| 09:01 |
|
cait |
which might lead to wrong behaviour in cases where hte numbers match by accident to an existing record |
| 09:10 |
|
cait |
ashimema: I've commented |
| 09:10 |
|
cait |
i hope it makes sense |
| 09:11 |
|
cait |
ashimema: i think we could do a search |
| 09:11 |
|
cait |
even without a proper mapping table, we could change the host record search to look for a matching 001 |
| 09:12 |
|
cait |
it won't be super fast, but as this doesn't need to be |
| 09:14 |
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ashimema |
yup.. I just came to the same conclusion |
| 09:14 |
|
ashimema |
and commented just before I say you comment |
| 09:14 |
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ashimema |
thanks cait |
| 09:14 |
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cait |
collided with my follow up |
| 09:15 |
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cait |
i don't want to put our way of dong things on everyone... but what I see from coris work and others, i think we are not too far off |
| 09:19 |
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ashimema |
haha |
| 09:24 |
|
cait |
and my typing is really bad today |
| 09:24 |
|
cait |
i am on 22808 :) |
| 09:25 |
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ashimema |
:) |
| 09:25 |
|
* ashimema |
is still really hoping some more of his accounts tree will move |
| 09:25 |
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ashimema |
but that hope may be in vein |
| 09:26 |
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cait |
what is the next one yo uneed to move? |
| 09:26 |
|
cait |
do you think we can just ad claudio's sign off on the tag ccloud bug? |
| 09:26 |
|
cait |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=22766#c5 |
| 09:26 |
|
huginn` |
Bug 22766: critical, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Tags cloud link in OPAC does not work |
| 09:26 |
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cait |
i am tempted to |
| 09:27 |
|
ashimema |
I reckon so (tag cloud) |
| 09:27 |
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ashimema |
either 22563 or 22610 are next in the queue for accounts.. neither have signoffs yet though :( |
| 09:28 |
|
* cait |
summons wizzyrea |
| 09:28 |
|
cait |
bug 22563 |
| 09:28 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22563 enhancement, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Convert lost handling to use 'status' instead of multiple accounttypes |
| 09:28 |
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cait |
hm enh, was hoping bug :) |
| 09:28 |
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ashimema |
sorry |
| 09:29 |
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ashimema |
I personally count them as bugs.. but code clean up is usually an enhancement |
| 09:30 |
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ashimema |
they lay the foundations for lots of work I want to do next cycle.. I'd love to be able to start with a clean slate at that point.. and.. not spread this type of change over multiple releases.. as a chunk of the changes are already in for 19.05 it would be nasty not to follow through and complete the process |
| 09:30 |
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ashimema |
it would lead to some really funky reports :( |
| 09:30 |
|
ashimema |
for example |
| 09:30 |
|
ashimema |
do give me some bugs to SO/QA in return though ;) |
| 09:32 |
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cait |
i agree we should finish more of it |
| 09:32 |
|
cait |
maybe we can talk to nick to extend deadline on some |
| 09:32 |
|
cait |
but trying to recruit some SO today would be good |
| 09:32 |
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cait |
i stayed out of it because i don't fully undrestand the new mechanics et |
| 09:32 |
|
cait |
yet |
| 09:32 |
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ashimema |
he's offered that to me.. ;) |
| 09:33 |
|
* ashimema |
is currently QAing 21036 |
| 09:33 |
|
cait |
bug 21036 |
| 09:33 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21036 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Fix a bunch of older warnings |
| 09:33 |
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cait |
i am on the tag cloud one |
| 09:33 |
|
cait |
just tagging a bunch of stuff |
| 09:35 |
|
cait |
oh so much better |
| 09:35 |
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ashimema |
cool |
| 09:37 |
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| 09:39 |
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cait |
hi andreashm :) |
| 09:39 |
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cait |
ashimema: on bug 21411 next |
| 09:39 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Advanced cataloging editor - rancor - Allow configuration of Keyboard shortcuts |
| 09:43 |
|
ashimema |
you're on a role today cait :) |
| 09:46 |
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cait |
i got a secret: sleep and public holiday |
| 09:46 |
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ashimema |
hehe |
| 09:46 |
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ashimema |
ice |
| 09:46 |
|
ashimema |
nice.. even |
| 09:46 |
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* ashimema |
is at work |
| 09:47 |
|
ashimema |
but slept well |
| 09:49 |
|
cait |
you could send a sign-off request too |
| 09:49 |
|
cait |
you just helped marcel |
| 10:08 |
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cait |
kidclamp: I expect a quick follow-up on the keyboard shortcuts! ;) |
| 10:10 |
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rangi |
upgrading bugzilla if you notice it go away shouldnt be long |
| 10:12 |
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cait |
ah |
| 10:12 |
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cait |
just had an error |
| 10:16 |
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ashimema |
rangi++ |
| 10:16 |
|
rangi |
working now? |
| 10:16 |
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ashimema |
working for me |
| 10:17 |
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* ashimema |
still needs to follow through with his ambitions to clean up BZ status's a bit |
| 10:17 |
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cait |
looks good to me |
| 10:17 |
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ashimema |
if not before I will catch you at kohacon for that rangi :) |
| 10:17 |
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cait |
something new in this version? |
| 10:18 |
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ashimema |
also.. my target milestone (which was used for that trello like bz board) experiment didn't really pay off.. so we can probably kill that back off I reckon |
| 10:28 |
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| 10:32 |
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cait |
h Oak :) |
| 10:44 |
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Oak |
Hello cait :) |
| 10:45 |
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Oak |
It's been ages. |
| 10:45 |
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cait |
it has been! |
| 10:45 |
|
cait |
how are you doing? |
| 10:54 |
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rangi |
hmm has anyone else bumped into |
| 10:54 |
|
rangi |
fatal: [stretch]: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "msg": "No package matching 'oracle-java8-installer' is available"} |
| 10:54 |
|
rangi |
in the devbox using stretch |
| 10:54 |
|
cait |
hm java... related to elastic maybe? |
| 10:55 |
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cait |
i remember i had to turn off elastic on one of mine a while ago, but don#t remember the issue |
| 10:55 |
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cait |
still have to fix it |
| 10:55 |
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* ashimema |
wonders where rangi is right now.. timezone doesn't feel right |
| 10:55 |
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* cait |
guesses ont he couch at home |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
yeah trying to start up a new devbox with elastic |
| 10:56 |
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rangi |
heh yeah nearly 11pm going to sleep soon |
| 10:56 |
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ashimema |
I tend to use koha-testing-docker these days.. I've just found it to generally be more reliable |
| 10:57 |
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cait |
ashimema: teach me in dublin? :) |
| 10:57 |
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ashimema |
sure |
| 10:59 |
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rangi |
isnt the idea of containers they are immutable, and disposable, doesn't seem like the best place to do dev work. Testing, sure, I can see that but doing dev, not so much? |
| 11:00 |
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kidclamp |
you import the git repo though, so that remains even after containers are destroyed |
| 11:00 |
|
kidclamp |
and you can now have your mysql persist between sessions too, it really just makes getting all the things running and working together easier |
| 11:02 |
|
rangi |
hmm i think i'll continue with the devbox |
| 11:02 |
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ashimema |
Indeed.. I dev outside of koha-testing-docker |
| 11:03 |
|
ashimema |
and use the container really just for runtime |
| 11:03 |
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cait |
I feel like often the new tools don't have lots of docs for the 'not daily devs' like me |
| 11:03 |
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kidclamp |
it is also v useful for selenium |
| 11:03 |
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wahanui |
okay, kidclamp. |
| 11:03 |
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ashimema |
and it's the immutable nature I love about it.. |
| 11:03 |
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cait |
so i tend to use not the newest you guys come up with |
| 11:03 |
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kidclamp |
wahanui forget it |
| 11:03 |
|
wahanui |
kidclamp: I forgot it |
| 11:03 |
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cait |
took me forever to get kohadevbox running |
| 11:03 |
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ashimema |
means I can throw away the DB and things and not worry about config side at all |
| 11:03 |
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cait |
and i still fail with stuff like elastic |
| 11:04 |
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ashimema |
rangi , do you dev inside the devbox then? |
| 11:04 |
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rangi |
often yes |
| 11:04 |
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ashimema |
I think importing lots of helper functions from devbox into testing-docker was the wrong way to go.. I don't use any of that |
| 11:04 |
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rangi |
often in a few different devboxes at once actually |
| 11:04 |
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ashimema |
but then.. that's my own use case |
| 11:05 |
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ashimema |
so.. I use git worktree's on my dev server and then run up lots of koha-testing-dockers pointing to different worktrees as I need them |
| 11:05 |
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rangi |
i just have a bunch of devboxes |
| 11:05 |
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ashimema |
it's lovely being able to checkout multiple branches and set multiple testing-dockers running the whole test suit against them |
| 11:05 |
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rangi |
but i like to start from fresh every so often and make sure it still works |
| 11:06 |
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ashimema |
totally understand.. same'ish' workflow |
| 11:06 |
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rangi |
mostly im getting ready for the bug workshop |
| 11:06 |
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ashimema |
I couldn't do lots of devboxes.. my dev server isn't big enough to support that much virtualisation |
| 11:06 |
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ashimema |
cool |
| 11:06 |
|
* ashimema |
wants to attend pretty much all the workshops.. |
| 11:06 |
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rangi |
im a bit sad its the docs one at the same time |
| 11:07 |
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ashimema |
gonna be painful that many of them overlap.. but I've tried really hard to predict what groups of people will want to go to them and space them out nicely |
| 11:07 |
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rangi |
*nod* |
| 11:07 |
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ashimema |
the workships schedule isn't 100% set in stone.. I will play it by ear a little if I hear I've got some of my predictions wrong |
| 11:07 |
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cait |
same for ill and modern perl withme.. but I tihnk it's the best you could do |
| 11:08 |
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ashimema |
as you say.. doc with bugs may not have been my best move |
| 11:08 |
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cait |
i overlap with librarian and dev things... so I am a difficult 'group' :) |
| 11:08 |
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ashimema |
totally.. I think a fair few of us fall into that camp.. we want to go to everything |
| 11:09 |
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ashimema |
speak up if any of you see a better way to re-arrange stuff.. I hit a wall in the end |
| 11:09 |
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rangi |
ahh we depend on a ppa for oracle8 and that ppa no longer has it |
| 11:09 |
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ashimema |
which reminds me.. I need to go chase mst and make sure he's still good |
| 11:09 |
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cait |
i need this sand clock thing form harry potter hermione had |
| 11:09 |
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cait |
to go to overlapping classes :) |
| 11:09 |
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ashimema |
hehe |
| 11:09 |
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* ashimema |
want's one of those |
| 11:11 |
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rangi |
so this is going to be a problem for docker too |
| 11:11 |
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rangi |
https://launchpad.net/~webupd8[…]chive/ubuntu/java |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
ashimema: do you know if the abstracts will go on the website too? |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
i tihnk it would be helpful |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
I noted 'bring your laptop' for testing |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
because that will make it much more fun.. but not sure how to make people aware |
| 11:11 |
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cait |
i'd like to at least file bugs with them |
| 11:11 |
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rangi |
god damnit oracle |
| 11:12 |
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rangi |
is there nothing you don't ruin |
| 11:12 |
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cait |
lol |
| 11:12 |
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cait |
sorry, not funny |
| 11:12 |
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cait |
sandboxes... |
| 11:12 |
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ashimema |
:( |
| 11:12 |
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ashimema |
annoying |
| 11:12 |
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cait |
and if people are up for it we could try to get a devbox running |
| 11:12 |
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ashimema |
I'm pretty sure that's the intention cait |
| 11:12 |
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cait |
ok :) |
| 11:12 |
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rangi |
oh can totally get it running, as long as no elastic |
| 11:12 |
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ashimema |
I have a meeting to discuss tomorrow.. I'll raise it |
| 11:13 |
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cait |
rangi: that's what i had too :( |
| 11:13 |
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cait |
the only thing to get it up was to disable |
| 11:13 |
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cait |
so at least it's not just me |
| 11:13 |
|
* ashimema |
needs to spend a bit more time on the PTFS sandboxes.. there are bugs lurking |
| 11:13 |
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* cait |
feels like most of the time with kohadevbox she gets told it's something I did and it just needs me to destroy everything and start from scratch |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
woudl be good if they all worked before |
| 11:14 |
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ashimema |
yup |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
are you running old or new sandbox? |
| 11:14 |
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ashimema |
that's also the intention.. I need to poke Kyle |
| 11:14 |
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ashimema |
we still have two old ones |
| 11:14 |
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ashimema |
and a server for the new ones |
| 11:14 |
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ashimema |
it's the new one's that are causing me fun and games at the moment |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
from a testers point of view they ar enicer |
| 11:15 |
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cait |
also seemed more reliable |
| 11:17 |
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ashimema |
oooh |
| 11:17 |
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ashimema |
this should also be entirely optional right? |
| 11:18 |
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ashimema |
i.e. the pref should accept undef or something to allow for "Don't email purchase suggestions" |
| 11:18 |
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rangi |
right now im going to sleep |
| 11:18 |
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ashimema |
oh.. wrong window |
| 11:19 |
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ashimema |
nighty night rangi |
| 11:21 |
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cait |
sleep well! |
| 11:29 |
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cait |
wonder if it's ok to say we ar enot as close as we'd like to be? |
| 11:29 |
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cait |
thnking of Kohastructure and slow move to Koha namespace using dbic |
| 11:29 |
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cait |
dbix? |
| 11:29 |
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cait |
probabl someone else shoudl answer heh |
| 11:30 |
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kidclamp |
follow-up posted cait |
| 11:30 |
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cait |
kidclamp: staring at subtitle stuff |
| 11:30 |
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cait |
will try to come back |
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* cait |
waves at khall :) |
| 11:34 |
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* ashimema |
took the approach of trying to tempt him into helping ;) |
| 11:34 |
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ashimema |
I'm sure we could do it.. it's as much about whether we want to as anything |
| 11:34 |
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* ashimema |
really like postgres |
| 11:35 |
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ashimema |
but.. also doesn't see the point of going all out DB agnostic in the sense of not writing DB specific queries for things.. use a db for what it's good for and take advantage of as much of it as you can I say. |
| 11:35 |
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* ashimema |
loves json types in postgres for example |
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cait |
hi marcelr |
| 11:36 |
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* ashimema |
also loves that working with postgres forced him to be better at db design up front |
| 11:36 |
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marcelr |
hi #koha, cait |
| 11:36 |
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ashimema |
marcelr don't shoot me ;) |
| 11:36 |
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marcelr |
ashimema++ |
| 11:38 |
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cait |
..or me please |
| 11:39 |
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cait |
bug 22819 might overlap with ashimema's work |
| 11:39 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22819 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Release team 19.05 |
| 11:39 |
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cait |
hm reminds me i should do a webinstaller thing for german too |
| 11:41 |
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marcelr |
ashimema: did you submit new release team patch ? |
| 11:41 |
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marcelr |
ashimema: see also omnibus 18303 |
| 11:41 |
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cait |
he has been working on updates for about and history |
| 11:42 |
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cait |
maybe he just wend to lunch? |
| 11:42 |
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ashimema |
sorry |
| 11:42 |
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ashimema |
was commeting on a bug |
| 11:42 |
|
* ashimema |
reads back |
| 11:42 |
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marcelr |
cant find your patch ? |
| 11:43 |
|
cait |
bug 21662 is one |
| 11:43 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21662 enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Missing developers from history |
| 11:43 |
|
cait |
and bug 21626 |
| 11:43 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21626 enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Add 'current maintenance team' to the 'Koha team' page |
| 11:43 |
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cait |
have to say i forgot aobut the onnibus |
| 11:43 |
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ashimema |
it's the second one.. it changes how we do release teams |
| 11:43 |
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ashimema |
should make it much easier in future cycles |
| 11:43 |
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marcelr |
ok i will close 22819 |
| 11:44 |
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cait |
ashimema: i tihnk the only thing 'needed' for 21662 is some capitalization fixes |
| 11:44 |
|
cait |
the commits don't sohw... we can figure that out later |
| 11:44 |
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ashimema |
oh.. I'd missed that it had failed again |
| 11:44 |
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ashimema |
sorry |
| 11:44 |
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ashimema |
I'll get back onto it. |
| 11:44 |
|
ashimema |
indeed |
| 11:44 |
|
ashimema |
thanks |
| 11:45 |
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ashimema |
also the ones that don't have a commit count (or first_commit date) for that matter are those that don't appear in the git history but were already in the contributors list |
| 11:46 |
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ashimema |
I was going to quiz rangi about them to see what they're contribution was |
| 11:46 |
|
ashimema |
funnily enough I was talking to him about the history stuff this morning.. we're gonna have a chat at kohacon and come up with a plan for giving better attribution to people |
| 11:47 |
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ashimema |
I want to recognise everyones contributions. Not just the Devs... we're an awesome team, lets recognise it :) |
| 11:47 |
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cait |
:) |
| 11:47 |
|
cait |
i am always for that |
| 11:47 |
|
cait |
we can't pay... but we sure can recognize |
| 11:47 |
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ashimema |
yupd |
| 11:48 |
|
cait |
right now we have dev, so and manual in release notes at least |
| 11:48 |
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marcelr |
ashimema: 21626 does not apply |
| 11:49 |
|
ashimema |
ok, on it |
| 11:49 |
|
ashimema |
thanks |
| 11:59 |
|
cait |
+[% USE Stash %] |
| 11:59 |
|
cait |
huh |
| 12:06 |
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ashimema |
21662 updated :) |
| 12:11 |
|
ashimema |
hopefully 21626 now applied too marcelr |
| 12:18 |
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marcelr |
will try |
| 12:19 |
|
ashimema |
ta |
| 12:19 |
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ashimema |
if not I've pushed a branch.. it annoys me that git doesn't do well with a rebase and then push of patches fairly often |
| 12:20 |
|
marcelr |
still: error: sha1 information is lacking or useless (about.pl). |
| 12:21 |
|
marcelr |
oh wait |
| 12:21 |
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marcelr |
i need the other one too !! |
| 12:22 |
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ashimema |
haha, yup, they're dependant |
| 12:22 |
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ashimema |
sorry.. couldn't work out a way to keep them independant |
| 12:22 |
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marcelr |
ok we'r efine now |
| 12:22 |
|
ashimema |
brill |
| 12:23 |
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ashimema |
not using gitbz with the apply dependancies patch? |
| 12:24 |
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marcelr |
right assumption ;) |
| 12:24 |
|
ashimema |
not sure if I could live without that now.. it's central to my workflows |
| 12:29 |
|
cait |
all the new tools made us azy |
| 12:29 |
|
cait |
lazy |
| 12:29 |
|
cait |
i remember when i had to do a git rebase -i to sign off multiple patches |
| 12:29 |
|
cait |
and upload them one by one.. |
| 12:30 |
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ashimema |
both patchsets should apply to the 18.11.x branch reasonably trivially too btw... which should help with testing it a little |
| 12:30 |
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* ashimema |
still does rebuase -i for signing off |
| 12:30 |
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ashimema |
never got out of the habbit and can't even remember what the alternative it now |
| 12:31 |
|
ashimema |
hmm |
| 12:32 |
|
ashimema |
I'm back on 5770 again now cait |
| 12:32 |
|
ashimema |
I'm second guessing myself now |
| 12:32 |
|
ashimema |
if most places rely on 'Is there a letter template for this' to turn on/off notifications |
| 12:33 |
|
ashimema |
is it bad that I'm suggesting we shortcut using the system preference instead? |
| 12:33 |
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marcelr |
ashimema: can you do it with the regular yaml module too ? yaml/xs is a new dep |
| 12:33 |
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ashimema |
oh.. is it |
| 12:33 |
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ashimema |
pants |
| 12:33 |
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ashimema |
I thought it was already in there |
| 12:33 |
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marcelr |
no |
| 12:34 |
|
ashimema |
if I remember correcly xs handles unicode much more accurately (which for names is really important) |
| 12:34 |
|
ashimema |
hmm |
| 12:34 |
|
ashimema |
let me have a play |
| 12:34 |
|
ashimema |
good spot though |
| 12:34 |
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marcelr |
just an internal server error ;) |
| 12:34 |
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cait |
ashimema: i tihnk the current behavioru is not ideal |
| 12:34 |
|
cait |
there is some notices you can delete safely |
| 12:34 |
|
cait |
while others (like slips) will cause errors |
| 12:35 |
|
cait |
and if we add the notice with the database update, the feature will 'auto-activate' |
| 12:35 |
|
cait |
i tihnk having a pref is nice |
| 12:35 |
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ashimema |
okies.. so not a terrible idea to introduce such a check on the pref then |
| 12:35 |
|
cait |
ther eis also another newer one that kyle did - for the payment/writeoff emails |
| 12:35 |
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cait |
no i don't think to |
| 12:35 |
|
cait |
so |
| 12:35 |
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cait |
maybe one day we want to have a nicer config page for all those notice things |
| 12:35 |
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cait |
but not there yet by far |
| 12:36 |
|
cait |
small stpes |
| 12:36 |
|
cait |
steps |
| 12:36 |
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ashimema |
another one that's already on my list cait :) |
| 12:36 |
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cait |
turns out ere is using a non-required dep too :( |
| 12:36 |
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cait |
so it is a fail, but i am doing some mor etesting |
| 12:37 |
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ashimema |
it's easily done |
| 12:42 |
|
cait |
marcelr: i think you know htat |
| 12:43 |
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cait |
if i change the mapping in the frameowrks with sql... why wuld it not show up in the gui as Koha Link? |
| 12:43 |
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cait |
do we need to do something else since we changed to use default? |
| 12:43 |
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ashimema |
curse my bad memory.. nearly 8 months ago I wrote a script that converted from a YAML strcuture built with YAML.pm to the structure produced by YAML::xs |
| 12:43 |
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ashimema |
but I can't for the life of me remember why |
| 12:43 |
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marcelr |
cait: think about the cache |
| 12:44 |
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cait |
hm restart_all... but i will try again |
| 12:44 |
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cait |
thx |
| 12:45 |
|
* ashimema |
now wonders what we use YAML::Syck for |
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cait |
marcelr: all frameworks should have hte mapping, right? |
| 12:45 |
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cait |
or is default enough? |
| 12:46 |
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marcelr |
no we look at default |
| 12:46 |
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cait |
i am trying to figure out why batchRebuildBiblioTables didn't update my columns |
| 12:46 |
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cait |
which led me to the mappign tables |
| 12:46 |
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cait |
i think the script might be wrong |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
or the db update... i am really not sure righ tnow |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
ere does: |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
+ $dbh->do(qq{ |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
+ UPDATE marc_subfield_structure SET kohafield='biblio.part_name' |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
+ WHERE (kohafield IS NULL OR kohafield='') AND frameworkcode='' AND tagfield='245' AND tagsubfield='p' |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
+ }); |
| 12:47 |
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marcelr |
debugging is fun |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
should that be enough? or shoudl we remove the frameworkcode="" |
| 12:47 |
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marcelr |
no default should be enough |
| 12:47 |
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cait |
basically stuck right at the beginning with this |
| 12:48 |
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cait |
it does still look at the frameworkcode |
| 12:49 |
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ashimema |
marcelr.. what are you're thoughts about me creating a bug to remove YAML::Syck from our deps |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
hm it worked onw |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
ok |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
maybe the cache after all |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
weird |
| 12:49 |
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ashimema |
there's really no reason to have YAML and YAML::syck |
| 12:49 |
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cait |
ashimema: check bugzily |
| 12:50 |
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cait |
bug 9125 |
| 12:50 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9125 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Syck parser error caused by uploading Koha Offline Circulation file |
| 12:50 |
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cait |
was just sure i had seen Syck somewhere in the old bugs |
| 12:51 |
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cait |
hm and some discussion on bug 7170 about speed |
| 12:51 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove use of XML::Simple |
| 12:56 |
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ashimema |
So.. looks safe enough to switch to straight up YAML.. I'll add a followup marcelr |
| 13:01 |
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marcelr |
ok |
| 13:01 |
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ashimema |
just doing these email patches for mengu first |
| 13:02 |
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* cait |
just failed bug 11529... some additinal insight welcome |
| 13:02 |
|
huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11529 normal, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Failed QA , Add subtitle, medium and part fields to biblio table |
| 13:04 |
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marcelr |
cait: maybe a report that you do not want to add just before freeze too |
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| 13:04 |
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* caroline_catlady |
waves |
| 13:05 |
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cait |
marcelr: i was hopeful... but after looking more... ithink you might be right |
| 13:09 |
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cait |
hi caroline_catlady :) |
| 13:28 |
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ashimema |
cait... |
| 13:28 |
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ashimema |
is there a history for this emailPurchaseSuggestions thing I don't know about? |
| 13:28 |
|
ashimema |
Suddenly spotted `# Broken, omitted: acquisitions, emailPurchaseSuggestions` as a header line in the sysprefs yaml config files |
| 13:28 |
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ashimema |
and wondering where it came from |
| 13:29 |
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cait |
ugh no idea |
| 13:30 |
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cait |
some very ealry comments go back to jesse |
| 13:30 |
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cait |
can you git blame see who added it? |
| 13:30 |
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ashimema |
jesse ;) |
| 13:30 |
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cait |
jesse not knowing what things did |
| 13:30 |
|
cait |
i have seen a working one |
| 13:30 |
|
cait |
pref i mean |
| 13:31 |
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ashimema |
oh really |
| 13:31 |
|
ashimema |
so there once was an emailPurchaseSuggestions pref which as some point got deprecated/lost |
| 13:31 |
|
ashimema |
interesting |
| 13:31 |
|
ashimema |
that opens a can of worms for this patch.. |
| 13:31 |
|
ashimema |
should it take that into account during upgrage |
| 13:31 |
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ashimema |
:( |
| 13:32 |
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* ashimema |
might pretend he didn't see that |
| 13:32 |
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cait |
is there still a refernce in the code? |
| 13:32 |
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ashimema |
not that I can see |
| 13:32 |
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cait |
maybe remove thenote in a follow-up? |
| 13:33 |
|
ashimema |
aha! |
| 13:33 |
|
ashimema |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2776 |
| 13:33 |
|
huginn` |
Bug 2776: normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, emailPurchaseSuggestions system preference deprecated |
| 13:34 |
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cait |
really interesting |
| 13:34 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
| 13:35 |
|
ashimema |
just working on my third followup |
| 13:35 |
|
ashimema |
to handle reply-to |
| 13:35 |
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| 13:36 |
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facuy |
Hello! Can someone please help me with the problem I'm having? |
| 13:37 |
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cait |
you'll tell us what it is about first :) |
| 13:37 |
|
facuy |
Every time I want to open biblioteca.com.ar (my library page) i receive this error message: Software error: DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::catch {...} (): DBI Connection failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Storage/DBI.pm line 1492. at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Database.pm line 100 For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving thi |
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facuy |
And I'm terrified!! |
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kidclamp |
is mysql running? |
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facuy |
I really have no idea... I'm not a programmer, I'm just a libarian :'( |
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cait |
who is taking care of your koha installatoin? |
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cait |
did you install it? |
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facuy |
No, I didn't. And I don't know who was the installator. Koha was functionating when I arrived to the library |
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cait |
the problem is, with an error like this you will probably need someone to check things server sde |
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facuy |
I was using it, updating some members data, when the error happened |
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cait |
i don't think that was your fault |
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cait |
can you get to any page? staff or opac? |
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oleonard |
I don't know who you're talking to cait but I'll take it. |
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cait |
I am sure it was not your fault either oleonard |
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facuy |
My fear is to have lost my library data for ever haha |
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cait |
i don't think that's likley |
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cait |
you are in argentina? |
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facuy |
Yes, I am! |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
which city? |
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facuy |
We started to use Koha about six years ago i think. |
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* ashimema |
thinks Tomas could get some business |
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facuy |
I'm in Tucuman right now |
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facuy |
I started to work in this library and got used to koha easily |
| 13:45 |
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facuy |
But now, it fails hahah |
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oleonard |
facuy: It looks like something has caused the database to stop running on the server, so there's really no way for you to proceed without finding someone who has access to that server. |
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cait |
it might just need a restart |
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cait |
but yeah, nothing we can do to help until someone gets there on the command line |
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facuy |
oleonard: I think I can find the guy who installed Koha. But I don't know... I'm using koha from the web, from chrome in windows 10... I don't know if it's installed or something |
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cait |
it's installed on a server somewhere |
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cait |
that you can access through your browser |
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facuy |
But, in the case I found the guy, what must he do? |
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cait |
i think starting with checking if mysql is running |
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cait |
and why it might have died |
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cait |
is there enough disk space etc |
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cait |
if he gets stuck while on there, we might be able to help better |
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facuy |
But, does he need to be a programmer or sth? |
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* ashimema |
can't remember how email works now.. even though he had a really good handle on it at one point |
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ashimema |
grr |
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oleonard |
ashimema: Get your nephew to show you how to launch AOL from the CD |
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ashimema |
lol |
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caroline_catlady |
lol! |
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cait |
facuy: more a sysadmin |
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cait |
the the first problem is htat he needs to be able to access it |
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cait |
to acces the server, you need to know where it leaves and have an account etc. |
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wizzyrea |
hi facuy are you the one who emailed me? |
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facuy |
cait: I hope It will help! I will try to find the guy! |
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facuy |
wizzyrea, in fact :) |
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wizzyrea |
hi :) |
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wizzyrea |
i'm glad you found the IRC |
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facuy |
hahaha hi! |
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facuy |
It was hard, because my english is not very fluent |
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wizzyrea |
that's ok, we understand most things :) |
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facuy |
guys here said that I have to contact the person who installed koha! |
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wizzyrea |
that seems right to me |
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facuy |
I'll try to |
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wizzyrea |
good luck, always a bit tricky when you don't know where the server is or how to get into it |
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wizzyrea |
possibly just rebooting the thing would bring it back |
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wizzyrea |
but you'd have to know which server to reboot! |
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facuy |
And how do I know what server must I reboot? :'( |
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ashimema |
cait ... |
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ashimema |
isn't this wrong: https://github.com/Koha-Commun[…]issue-note.pl#L83 |
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* ashimema |
tries to regain his email knowledge |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
i'd have expected it the other way around |
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cait |
branchemai lis usually set |
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cait |
branchreplyto not always? |
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cait |
i'd have said.. branchreplyto, branchemail, replyto, kohadmin |
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cait |
so the first 2 different |
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ashimema |
me too |
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facuy |
Guys I have to go... Thank you so much for your help! God bless you all! |
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wizzyrea |
good luck |
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wizzyrea |
bah |
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cait |
ashimema: new or old code? |
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ashimema |
the same patturn is in a few places and feels wrong in most |
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* ashimema |
runs off for school run |
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ashimema |
old code |
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cait |
oi |
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ashimema |
I was looking for an example to remember how it's done |
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ashimema |
came accross this and it made things worse as my vague memory told me that's wrong |
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* ashimema |
switches to phones.. |
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cait |
yeh |
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* ashimema |
apologises now for the typos that will ensue |
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cait |
go onthe school run, give your brain a moment to breathe |
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cait |
bbiab |
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oleonard |
Ooh lucky wizzyrea got assigned an XSLT bug :) |
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wizzyrea |
yeah ashimema you should go on the school run and then go get icecream or something |
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oleonard |
ashimema: Bring some back for the rest of us too |
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wizzyrea |
well tbf I volunteered because I think i have fixed that before |
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wizzyrea |
>.> |
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wizzyrea |
or I have, at the very least, heard of it before |
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oleonard |
Keep this handy so you'll know when you've taken a wrong turn: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view[…]?p=15180992229249 |
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wizzyrea |
hahaha |
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wizzyrea |
i've seen that one a lot lol |
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oleonard |
Do you have to have automembernum turned on to have patron self-registration assign a library card number? |
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oleonard |
I thought it was separate, but we're getting online registrations with no card number |
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wizzyrea |
hmm |
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wizzyrea |
im not sure |
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cait |
i dont think we have another mechanism |
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oleonard |
That's too bad. I want card number to remain mandatory on the staff client patron entry screen |
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oleonard |
Can't do that if automembernum is on |
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cait |
hm true |
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wizzyrea |
oleonard, what is the workflow like for adding members? like, how do you give the right card number to a patron? |
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wizzyrea |
do you have preprinted cards? |
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oleonard |
Yes, so we just scan the card we're giving them. |
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wizzyrea |
so if you have an automembernum, how will you know that you're giving the right card to the right borrower? |
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wizzyrea |
unless it's in a different range |
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wizzyrea |
for a remote reg |
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oleonard |
We'll change their card number if they come in to "upgrade" to a regular account |
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wizzyrea |
why do they need a card number for remote registration? |
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wizzyrea |
i'm just thinking this through to try and understand |
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wizzyrea |
it's not an interrogation :) |
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oleonard |
They don't need one, but Koha will try to assign them one. I'm not sure if it's a problem to have registrations with blank cardnumber fields |
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wizzyrea |
my feeling is that it's not? |
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wizzyrea |
I think the mandatory fields are separated for self reg and intranet reg |
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wizzyrea |
you can do different ones for each |
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oleonard |
Yes |
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wizzyrea |
to me, if you're just going to give them a new number when they walk in anyway, do remote registrations really need a card number? |
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wizzyrea |
and could prevent possible collisions |
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wizzyrea |
with physical cards unassigned |
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wizzyrea |
there is probably some nuance there i'm missing |
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oleonard |
Okay, yeah, so Koha definitely doesn't care if cardnumber is empty. For some reason I thought it would. |
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wizzyrea |
because lots of systems use the cardnumber as the unique id |
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wizzyrea |
but koha has an internal number for that |
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wizzyrea |
hi oak |
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oleonard |
There is no Oak only Guest1518 |
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oleonard |
</ zuul voice> |
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* oleonard |
clutters up the message queue with test registrations |
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Oak |
Hi wizzyrea :) |
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Oak |
Hi oleonard :) |
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Oak |
Huh, same number of letters! |
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wizzyrea |
hm, technically I am done for this week |
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* oleonard |
tries to change his nick to OLEONA~1 without success |
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wizzyrea |
eythian did you know you had a whole bug dedicated to you |
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wizzyrea |
bug 21892 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21892 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Robin Sheat is not a typo |
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caroline_catlady |
It's still at need signoff? |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: I wouldn't expect anything less. |
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wizzyrea |
i think currently it's at the "is this really required" stage :P |
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wizzyrea |
<3 |
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eythian |
well of course it is. Who would even question that. |
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wizzyrea |
hehehe |
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eythian |
Help! I'm being oppressed! |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
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wizzyrea |
you should sign that off |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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wizzyrea |
that'd be awesome. |
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* oleonard |
already has too many bugs created in his honor (honoring bugs he caused) |
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wizzyrea |
my claim to fame is the "test bug for git-bz" |
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oleonard |
I want something like this: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view[…]?p=15567257970310 |
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oleonard |
We should not make people hand-type database columns. It's not fun. |
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wizzyrea |
oh hell yes |
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wizzyrea |
tell me you are doing that |
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wizzyrea |
oh please oh please oh please |
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oleonard |
The question is: How to keep that list in sync with the current database schema |
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wizzyrea |
hmm |
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wizzyrea |
it's basically everything in the table except borrowernumber yea? |
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oleonard |
sms_provider_id, privacy, privacy_guarantor_checkouts, checkprevcheckout, updated_on, lastseen, lang, login_attempts, overdrive_auth_token |
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wizzyrea |
hm not quite then |
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wizzyrea |
do we see that table changing much now that we have extended borrower attributes? |
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wizzyrea |
anything new is gonna go in an attribute, it might be a relatively safe assumption |
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oleonard |
I have a feeling there would be objections to hard-coding the list... Maybe not. I think I'll take it to the devel list for suggestions. |
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wizzyrea |
the list is already hard coded, you can't put anything in there that isn't on the schema |
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wizzyrea |
imo |
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oleonard |
What do you mean? |
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wahanui |
well, do you mean is reserves.tt the only place where a hold gets placed? |
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wizzyrea |
what I mean is |
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wizzyrea |
the list is already limited by what's in the schema, just that humans have to type it in. |
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wizzyrea |
idk |
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wizzyrea |
i guess what im saying is |
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wizzyrea |
I don't feel like the table is going to change that much |
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wizzyrea |
we don |
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wizzyrea |
we have a mechanism to add additional fields |
| 15:59 |
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wizzyrea |
that doesn't involve adding things to that table |
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wizzyrea |
it's been relatively static for these kind of fields for a while |
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wizzyrea |
these essential borrower data fields |
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wizzyrea |
the problem they're objecting to might really not come up very often at all |
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wizzyrea |
a few years ago it might have |
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oleonard |
Not that that ever kept anyone from objecting... :P |
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wizzyrea |
the speculative problem of objections to hard coding the list |
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wizzyrea |
yeah but imo, objecting is dumb :P |
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wizzyrea |
for a 10000000000% usability improvement? |
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oleonard |
That number is accurate to 4 decimal places |
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wizzyrea |
i've trained libraries on this |
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wizzyrea |
it SUCKS for them |
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wizzyrea |
overrides any "this should be automatic propagated and not hard coded because reasons" argument in my mind |
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wizzyrea |
the table doesn't change that often for *the fields libraries care about putting in there* |
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oleonard |
That's certainly been very true for quite a while |
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* oleonard |
needs to see if there's a way to use some kind of include to keep from repeating the list in the .pref file |
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wizzyrea |
now that would be a good thing. 1 place to change it if required. :) |
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wizzyrea |
alternatively you could offer the table |
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wizzyrea |
and a box for typing in |
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wizzyrea |
or the ability to add your own? |
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wizzyrea |
like a text input box "I ticked all of these but I don't see this new thing in the list i'll type it in" |
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wizzyrea |
i mean if we 100% have to solve that "this might not be in the list because new field" problem |
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oleonard |
Possible... But an undesirable complication for the user |
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wizzyrea |
well that's what I think too |
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wizzyrea |
i like the simplicity of the tickboxes |
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wizzyrea |
well, a potential argument is that we have a list of fields in the notices template |
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wizzyrea |
and not all of them are there |
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wizzyrea |
they are hard coded |
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wizzyrea |
I don't see how it's much different |
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wizzyrea |
or at least they were hard coded/hand selected last time I checked |
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wizzyrea |
i'm sure someone wants to make that automagic as well haha |
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wizzyrea |
anyway I think it's brilliant |
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wizzyrea |
please do it |
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oleonard |
That's a good point.. How do notices do it... |
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* oleonard |
looks |
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oleonard |
Hm.... "show columns" SQL embedded in letter.pl... Not great |
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wizzyrea |
it's a way I guess |
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oleonard |
Maybe tcohen can build me an API for table columns |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
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oleonard |
Looking at letter.pl, we already need a way to designate table columns as non-interesting to the user (it manually skips "timestamp", for instance) |
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oleonard |
I think I'll build a proof-of-concept using json files |
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wizzyrea |
a potential improvement on just the table names |
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wizzyrea |
but not one you have to do |
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wizzyrea |
is to give them the same labels as what is on the patron input form |
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wizzyrea |
for the tickboxes |
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oleonard |
I'm definitely doing that |
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wizzyrea |
you are a champion |
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oleonard |
Don't say that before I return from my quest |
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wizzyrea |
sorry, you are a green, inexperienced, but plucky hero who fights for the user |
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wizzyrea |
is that better? |
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wizzyrea |
no I don't think it is really |
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oleonard |
I'm skinny-Hercules from the start of the Disney movie |
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wizzyrea |
rofl |
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oleonard |
If I succeed I'm going to be so jacked |
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wizzyrea |
percy at the beginning of the lightning thief? |
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wizzyrea |
no no, more like, harry potter around book 5 |
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wizzyrea |
"your greatest challenge is yet to come" or something. |
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oleonard |
So Dumbledore is still alive, but he's being a real jackass |
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m23 |
Hello Koha |
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m23 |
Can somebody help with kohadevbov? I stuck on install Javo for ES. I get Error: TASK [kohadevbox : Elasticsearch 5.x | Install Oracle Java 8] ****************** fatal: [stretch]: FAILED! => {"changed": false, "msg": "No package matching 'oracle-java8-installer' is available"} |
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m23 |
Ansible config looks good. |
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ashimema |
funny you should run into that today.. we we're just discussing it this morning m23 |
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ashimema |
Oracle appear to have suddenly decided to kill of the PPA we use for install oracle-java8-installer |
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ashimema |
so kohadevbox for the time being is broken when attempting to run it with ES |
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m23 |
strange Oracle :-) |
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ashimema |
it's something we'll need to fix at our end I'm afraid.. not much you can do about it right now :( |
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ashimema |
tcohen |
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ashimema |
ping.. were you aware of this... it'll kill koha-testing-docker too no doubt |
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oleonard |
Good job Oracle, still impressing the FOSS world at every turn |
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m23 |
I did some test with maual install, but still no result |
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m23 |
Thank you |
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oleonard |
Wow this prefs idea is kicking my butt, unexpectedly. |
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magnuse |
ooh, nice, a biblio with 985576 items... |
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oleonard |
:O |
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oleonard |
magnuse: Serial, horrible mistake, or both? |
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yowsers |
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horrible mistake, i can't imagine anything else |
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@later tell cait I've PQA'd bug 5770 but I wouldn't mind a second pair of eyes on the very last followup just to sanity check my understanding of replyto. |
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ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
Bye #koha |
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ashimema: which ones don't have a commit ? if you let me know I can tell you what the did :) |
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ashimema |
I'll email you rangi.. likely easier |
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ashimema |
done |
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there's a wopping 17 |
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bye everyone! |
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