IRC log for #koha, 2019-03-29

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06:15 cait happy bday eythian
06:16 cait :)
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06:25 josef_moravec morning #koha
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06:52 cait morning josef_moravec :)
06:52 josef_moravec hi cait
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06:57 marcelr hi #koha
07:03 josef_moravec hi marcelr
07:03 marcelr hi josef_moravec
07:03 marcelr i will have a look at 21336 again
07:05 josef_moravec marcelr: ah, great!
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07:54 reiveune hello
07:55 cait good morning
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07:56 alex_a bonjour
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08:13 ashimema Ack..I left off the -r when testing the interface addition bug, sorry josef_moravec . I'll be fixing tests this morning
08:13 * ashimema feels a numpty for not realising he'd only run like 1/4 of the test suit against that one before submitting
08:22 josef_moravec bug 22607
08:22 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22607 normal, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Default value in issues.renewals should be '0' not null
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08:41 marcelr josef_moravec: 21336 is in nso again
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09:38 vfernandes hi #koha
10:41 ashimema oh.. marcelr.. sorry.. I'm just rebasing the whole 22008 dependant tree (and updating the tests to as there were a bunch of failures on the branch I missed due to a slip missing the '-r' on running the whole test suit)
10:41 ashimema so.. hold off there for a few minutes more if you happened to still be walking that tree
10:41 marcelr im out of it
10:42 marcelr dont go there anymore :)
10:42 ashimema sorry if I waisted some of your time.. I should have gone through and reset them to assigned
10:42 marcelr np
10:42 ashimema the set should be ready again shortly.. just re-running the suit as I said.. then there will be patches incoming
10:44 ashimema hehe.. and thanks for the PQA on 22518.. it'll be so nice to finally clean some of these things up :)
10:57 josef_moravec marcelr: bug 21336 looks good for me, signing off
10:57 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , GDPR: Handle unsubscribe requests automatically by optional (administrative) lock, anonymize and remove
10:57 marcelr thanks josef_moravec
10:58 marcelr hopefully we can have some qa soon
10:58 * ashimema sticks it in a tab to look at
10:58 josef_moravec thanks ashimema
10:59 ashimema team++
11:01 josef_moravec karma team
11:01 wahanui team has karma of 2
11:01 josef_moravec team++
11:03 marcelr great ashimema++ josef_moravec++
11:03 marcelr htg now
11:08 josef_moravec by #koha
11:11 kidclamp morning
11:11 ashimema remind me anyone.. do we use HashRefInflator at all with Koha::Objects?
11:12 * ashimema see's a patturn all over the place where we build an expensive Koha::Object only to call ->unblessed on it a moment later and then never do anything with the object form again.
11:13 ashimema that's precisely the use case for HashRefInflator in DBIx::Class.. "Give me my results fast and skip making an object from them"
11:14 ashimema 'tis the above bug that got me questioning it.
11:23 eythian ashimema: I discovered HashRefInflator recently, took the average request time for expensive requests from 5s to 1.25s.
11:23 eythian I'm in the process of moving all our read processes to it.
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11:31 ashimema lol.. I used it loads when writing rebus:list
11:31 ashimema it's really nice.. but I think it's another forbidden method in Koha::Object world
11:31 ashimema :(
11:32 oleonard Hi all
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22518: DBRev <[…]96b9cd4af50f4b11d>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22518: (QA follow-up) Add rows updated to feedback <[…]bf70677b1f62c0685>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22596: use raw TT filter in items search with custom field <[…]9f0c235b556ec2979>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22586: IntranetReportsHomeHTML no longer renders as HTML on <[…]de0d3dfc0a63c2832>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22518: Add database update 'just in case' <[…]9336def962e01d96e>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22518: Remove references to 'O' accounttype <[…]9f4f38241d0c1ecf4>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 22127: Update date accessioned plugin - remove unused routine <[…]446513ac542ee631d>
11:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21646: Clean up Overdrive template <[…]d28740f06e41a9cb1>
11:48 kidclamp hi oleonard
11:48 wahanui hi oleopard
11:58 oleonard Re: [Koha] HEA map broken? ...whispering darkly... Thanos!
11:59 magnuse ashimema: i think maybe ->unblessed is meant to be a temporary thing, until we are ready to use the objects everywhere?
12:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #699: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/699/
12:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #205: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/205/
12:25 calire hi oleonard
12:25 wahanui hi oleopard
12:27 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #192: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/192/
12:35 magnuse gah! why oh why can't i save 773$t+w? (normarc)
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12:49 magnuse liquorice, andreashm!
12:54 magnuse nothing useful in the logs
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13:37 talljoy morning
13:40 oleonard Hi talljoy
13:40 talljoy top of the morning to ya
13:43 magnuse can someone point me to the meaning of &&= in perl? kind of hard to google. mentioned once in passing in perlop. not in the index of Programming Perl
13:54 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 13895: (follow-up) Add Modern::Perl <[…]8f56249c90f7d632e>
13:54 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19380: Use Koha::Item::get_transfer instead of GetTransfers <[…]efd1480257197a353>
13:54 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19380: Add transfer informations in ILS-DI GetRecords response <[…]7b333ff71db2361b9>
13:54 magnuse OK, found this:  if ( $x ) { $x = $y }    # $x &&= $y;
13:55 magnuse but what if it is: $x &&= $y && $z
13:56 oleonard-away By Grabthar's Hammer, what a savings.
13:56 magnuse very handy
13:56 magnuse there are 5 occurrences in Koha
13:59 cait ?
13:59 ashimema huh
14:01 cait maybe if left true then set to...?
14:02 magnuse if $x is zero, nothings happens
14:02 magnuse if $x is one and either $y or $z is zero, $x gets zero
14:03 magnuse if $x is one and both $y and $z is one, $x stays one
14:03 magnuse as far as i can tell
14:04 magnuse see opac/ line 539 for an example of this in the wild
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14:08 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
14:09 magnuse Hi wizzyrea
14:09 oleonard wizzyrea: Thanks for testing Bug 14576. I'm hoping that gets moving
14:09 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Allow automatic update of location on checkin
14:14 wizzyrea You are welcome :)
14:14 wizzyrea hi everyone
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14:17 wizzyrea anyone got any passion projects theyd like tested?
14:17 ashimema marcelr still around?
14:18 ashimema 22600 would be nice (as the current blocker).. it's big but hopefully obvious and easy to test?
14:18 ashimema bug 22600 would be nice (as the current blocker).. it's big but hopefully obvious and easy to test wizzyrea?
14:18 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22600 blocker, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , We should add an 'interface' field to accountlines
14:19 wizzyrea i will have a look
14:21 wizzyrea did you see bug 16357
14:21 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16357 normal, P3, ---, mtj, Failed QA , Plack error logs are not time stamped
14:21 wizzyrea I'd loooove to get that signed off but
14:21 ashimema cookies :)
14:21 * cait goes vacation
14:21 wizzyrea i'm not sure how best to test that
14:21 cait bye all!
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14:21 wizzyrea cait! holiday
14:21 wizzyrea !
14:21 wizzyrea i mean,
14:21 wizzyrea i've made it work
14:22 wizzyrea but I guess we need to check that it works just fine when an instance is created
14:22 * oleonard wonders if cait got that vacation approved by kidclamp
14:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #700: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/700/
14:25 wizzyrea tcohen and/or kidclamp, what do you think about bug 16357? how much more testing do you think that needs?
14:25 wizzyrea i'll sign off, I made it work but it wasn't automatic
14:26 wizzyrea also is there work to be done with those dependencies?
14:26 wizzyrea I wished for time/date stamps in that log for so long
14:29 ashimema bug 16357
14:29 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16357 normal, P3, ---, mtj, Failed QA , Plack error logs are not time stamped
14:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #193: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/193/
14:30 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #206: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/206/
14:33 * magnuse wishes for timestamps too
14:33 wizzyrea the patch works! it does!
14:33 wizzyrea you just have to play by debian's rules
14:33 wizzyrea and use the instance paths instead of the standard install ones
14:34 wizzyrea and I feel quite confident that if the files are getting copied correctly *now* (they are) this patch won't change it
14:35 wizzyrea i.e. they'll still work
14:37 wizzyrea oleonard, you had a bug that was to do with overdrive and recordedbooks
14:37 wizzyrea but I can't find it
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14:38 oleonard wizzyrea: kidclamp beat you to it. Bug 22432
14:38 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22432 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Star ratings plugin replacement missing from a couple pages
14:38 wizzyrea lulz bc he had the creds already >.>
14:38 * wizzyrea shakes fist
14:39 oleonard Did you get my message about it the other day?
14:39 wizzyrea no!
14:40 oleonard I wondered. I sent you some secret codes. They were probably intercepted by the Chinese government
14:40 wizzycray hi
14:40 wahanui que tal, wizzycray
14:40 magnuse star ratings are being turned into a plugin?
14:41 oleonard magnuse: Star ratings always depended on a jquery plugin. The old plugin was not maintained.
14:41 magnuse ah, so not a .kpz plugin?
14:42 wizzyrea naw
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14:47 liliputech_asu kpz plugins powa.
14:48 liliputech_asu you can actually have a kpz install jquery things into opacuserjs and intranetuserjs
14:48 wizzyrea sure
14:49 liliputech_asu that's what I did for my Opac plugin, works like a charm :[…]recommenderengine
14:49 oleonard It occurs to me to wonder if we should move every feature which depends on a proprietary service into a plugin... Amazon covers, Syndetics, iDreamBooks...
14:50 wizzyrea this appeals to me but might be a maintenance nightmare
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14:50 liliputech_asu why would it be harder than maintaining those features in Koha itself?
14:51 liliputech_asu plugins must be open-sourced as well since they use Koha code and Koha is GPL :)
14:52 liliputech_asu Agree that maintaining a plugin often relies on less people than whole koha community.
14:52 * oleonard has been hearing all about this new GPL thing lately
14:52 * wizzyrea snickers
14:52 liliputech_asu meh.
14:52 wizzyrea mostly its the peoplepower issue.
14:54 liliputech_asu huuuu... but less incursion of proprietary service into Koha Core code. less dependency to third-party service. wouldn't that be nice?
14:55 wizzyrea I've worked with the EBSCO plugin, they have enough trouble keeping it up to date and they have billions of dollars at their disposal.
14:56 liliputech_asu maybe not their priority to keep up-to date with koha?
14:57 wizzyrea there are some things where plugins make sense - overdrive, recorded books, ebsco, those things make sense
14:57 wizzyrea book, mmm I'm not sure
15:00 wizzyrea it also makes sense to push dev of those features back onto the vendor, but I can't see them supporting their own product in that way.
15:08 liliputech_asu hum... being a vendor I'd say it's in your interest to make yourself "usable" from other platforms. See how may payment processors have a plugin designed for wordpress for example.
15:08 liliputech_asu *see how many
15:09 oleonard Tell it to EBSCO I guess
15:10 liliputech_asu many third-party service vendors also do it in a different way, while studying products for recommendations, I've stumbled into Syndethics, and they don't offer a plugin. they ask you to add something in your JS (like Matomo) which queries their website for further executable code.
15:11 wizzyrea yep I've worked for Koha vendors.
15:11 wizzyrea and I've implemented or helped to implement almost every janky 3rd party integration that exists.
15:11 wizzyrea it's a nightmare.
15:13 liliputech_asu lulz
15:18 liliputech_asu one thing is definitely missing though: plugins marketplace / database / store / whatever you call it...
15:19 liliputech_asu couldn't find a place where I could list them all...
15:20 wizzyrea yep it's a think we all want but can't agree on how best to go about it
15:20 wizzyrea I want one like the wordpress plugin directory
15:20 wizzyrea but using git
15:20 wizzyrea instead of svn
15:20 wizzyrea there are other ideas.
15:24 liliputech_asu What about hosting them on Mana? it's already a central community sharing platform...
15:24 liliputech_asu + it's already interfaced with Koha (starts 19.05)
15:24 wizzyrea maybe.
15:25 oleonard plugins require a lot more vetting than reports
15:25 kidclamp and they need to be translatable
15:25 liliputech_asu + there's already a comment system which means people can rate plugins, it's already designed.
15:26 liliputech_asu yup, plugins translation is an issue, I got the question for my own work but didn't had the time to look after this yet
15:27 wizzyrea ashimema about?
15:28 liliputech_asu I guess you could embed some .mo/.po within the kpz file. don't know how you can call them though.
15:32 wizzyrea @later tell ashimema I was looking at your bug 22600, had some questions re: testing (the unit tests pass you'll be happy to know)
15:32 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
15:41 ashimema hi wizzyrea
15:41 * ashimema is still here.. always lurking
15:41 ashimema well.. not always always ;)
15:42 ashimema I didn't write a test plan did I..
15:42 ashimema :doh:
15:43 ashimema If we want a good thorough testing there's likely to be a fair amount of excersize
15:43 ashimema we touch literally everything that would work with accountlines
15:43 ashimema want me to try and work out a step-by-step plan ?
15:47 ashimema it's going to involve things like marking items as lost (with both values for the processing fee options.. to check 'chargelostitem'), returning a lost item (with and without already having made payment to check _FixAccountForLostAndReturned), checkout items with issuing charges (checking AddIssuingCharge), doing some offline transactions and uploading them (checking 'ProcessOfflinePayments').. testing Overdues (again with and without partial
15:47 ashimema payments and open/closed days combinations to catch the 'credit creation' route).. Making reserverse (again with the sysprefs set for charging for that).. from both OPAC and Staff side to check the interface gets set correctly..
15:47 ashimema Doing some SIP translactions (checking that interface gets set to SIP for those)
15:48 ashimema manual invoices, manual credits
15:48 ashimema enrolement fees
15:48 ashimema my-oh-my!
15:48 ashimema there's allot there :'(
15:48 ashimema I can't easily split it down into smaller chunks :(
15:49 * ashimema thinks he broke wizzyrea..
15:49 * ashimema hopes not
15:49 wizzyrea oh
15:49 wizzyrea no no
15:49 wizzyrea I had my head in a patch sorry
15:50 ashimema no worries..
15:50 wizzyrea that is about the scope of stuff I thought might be in that
15:50 wizzyrea which is why I asked lol
15:50 wizzyrea because that will take Some Time.
15:50 wizzyrea hehe
15:52 ashimema it is indeed a bit big and scary
15:52 ashimema my hope is that the tests cover the vast majority..
15:52 * ashimema has been working hard the last few months to attempt to get to that level of coverage here.. but bets he hasn't reached it
15:53 kidclamp I know it is coincidence, but when your script fails to compile because of line 666 still a bit scary
15:53 ashimema there's allot of code pathss :(
15:53 kidclamp :-D
15:53 wizzyrea well, the devil you know.
15:53 wizzyrea or something.
15:53 wahanui something is broken
15:53 corilynn can someone point me to the dev meeting notes from wednesday? I swear I searched...
15:54 ashimema I reckon it probably needs a team effort from some people overly familiar with accounts...
15:54 ashimema haha..
15:54 oleonard corilynn: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_27_March_2019
15:54 ashimema queue tcohen, kyle and josef :)
15:54 corilynn thank you!
15:54 ashimema no offence intended
15:54 ashimema corilynn
15:55 ashimema pick from the one's at the top..
15:55 corilynn thx, thx, ashimema
15:55 ashimema I personally like to read the whole log.. but you may prefer the summary version
15:56 corilynn yeah, tried to make it this time.. but family stuff... I want to *somehow* get 18823 some lovin'
15:59 wizzyrea what it needs QA or something?
15:59 wizzyrea or retesting? or
16:00 corilynn it needs QA
16:00 wizzyrea quite a lot in that state atm
16:00 corilynn I've signed off on it, my company has sponsered it
16:01 corilynn I used it quite a lot
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16:02 corilynn I *know* there's a lot in QA, I just want to *bump* OR... at least know if there's something that's going to keep it from going before it's too late to make the next cycle
16:02 * ashimema is running low on QA tuits at the moment... :(
16:03 corilynn let me know what kind of tuits I can help with?
16:03 oleonard Bug 18823
16:03 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18823 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, carnold, Signed Off , Advanced editor - Rancor - add ability to edit records in import batches
16:03 corilynn unfortunately, my tuits currently come in sign-offs
16:03 corilynn which only make more work, but I've done a lot of "not sign-offs" too
16:03 ashimema hehe
16:04 oleonard Sign-offs are always good corilynn. Just pretend the QA team doesn't have feelings!
16:04 ashimema those queus gotta keep growing.. we wouldn't want kidclamp bored now would we ;)
16:05 corilynn I try and stick to my perview, the cataloging interface
16:05 corilynn although, I'm *seriously* deep into authorities now too
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16:05 ashimema this cycle felt a little slow to start with... but it's certainly going full throttle at the moment
16:06 cait oleonard: vacation = can spend more time lke I please... :D
16:06 * ashimema hands corilynn the swear tin just in case.. that's usualy where I end up if I'm *seriously* deep in authorities ;)
16:07 corilynn right? and music authorities a hundred times so
16:07 cait oleonard: that might be on some Koha things
16:07 oleonard :D
16:07 ashimema yikes.. oh yes
16:07 eythian ashimema: Re: HashRefInflator, I think if you're doing the full ORM thing then you can't use it, however if you're querying for a lot of data then it's almost certainly worth using it to just fetch the data then process. Otherwise it'll cost you real tim.
16:07 ashimema been there,
16:07 eythian *time. Dunno about tim.
16:08 * ashimema is getting dangeriously close to say.. Would anyone mind if I split accountlines down the middle and created two tables instead of one.. one for credits one for debits?
16:08 ashimema the two things need distinctly different information
16:08 eythian that code was (probably still is) a bit nightmarish.
16:09 * ashimema wants database polymorphism
16:09 * eythian wants a beer.
16:09 * eythian is more likely to succeed.
16:09 cait lol
16:10 * ashimema goes to get tea..
16:10 * ashimema thinks about swapping tea for beer..
16:11 eythian ashimema: this is sometimes brewed somewhere over your way:[…]unnamatta/173556/
16:12 eythian The first review it shows me says "An outstanding way to drink tea", so...
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16:13 ashimema oh wow
16:13 eythian (it's also pretty nice.)
16:13 * eythian -> brewery
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16:21 * ashimema wonders how eythian will be celebrating this evening
16:22 ashimema happy birthday chap
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19:02 oleonard Bye all. Happy weekend
19:11 wizzyrea hi
19:11 wahanui bidet, wizzyrea
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19:35 wizzyrea hi aleisha
19:35 wizzyrea er alexbuckley
19:35 wizzyrea and aleisha :P
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19:37 alexbuckley hey wizzyrea :)
19:37 wizzyrea how doin
19:39 alexbuckley pretty good thanks 9 days to go, we've got a team lunch on friday before I go, and i fly to Auckland on sun :) How are you going?
19:39 wizzyrea work is lovely :)
19:39 wizzyrea the rest... eh
19:40 wizzyrea enormous trip how exciting
19:41 alexbuckley yeah :) How is spud finding American schools?
19:41 wizzyrea he likes the lunches, and it's running 2nd favourite school behind Lyall Bay
19:42 wizzyrea (LB probs always be a fav)
19:42 wizzyrea (it was my fav)
19:42 wizzyrea his last nz school was :( :( :(
19:42 wizzyrea kids not nice.
19:43 wizzyrea he seems to be doing alright
19:43 alexbuckley its good that his school over there is nice
19:43 alexbuckley :)
19:43 wizzyrea yep
19:43 wizzyrea oh
19:43 wizzyrea while you are here
19:44 wizzyrea you might have seen my comment on 21159?
19:44 wizzyrea there's something funny going on there
19:44 wizzyrea with the patches
19:45 wizzyrea (i know it's saturday and you're probs busy with trip prep and such)
19:47 alexbuckley ah yes, i'll look at the bug report and refresh my memory on whats happening
19:48 wizzyrea cool thanks very much I felt terrible failing it :(
19:51 alexbuckley not a problem :)
20:02 alexbuckley so it does look like a commit message problem like you say. when you say 'Hayley's seems to want us to test the 2 sysprefs?' do you mean your taking it that hayley wants you to test the 2 sysprefs in bug 14576?
20:02 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Allow automatic update of location on checkin
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