IRC log for #koha, 2019-03-20

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00:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #239: UNSTABLE in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.05_U18/239/
00:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #239: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/239/
00:36 lari_ hi, i get "413 Request Entity Too Large" when attaching a patch to Bugzilla via git-bz. The patch is 1.4MB in size.
00:39 lari same via web interface even if it says "File size limit: 6000 KB"
00:47 lari less than 1MB works, so i suppose 1MB is the limit
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04:02 amoyano Hello everyone, I worked on bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21772 and It's been in signed off status for 4 or 5 days now. I remember now that I did not "git format " the patches and send them to koha-patches ... If I already attached those patches to bugzilla.. should I still do it?.. sorry, I'm still new to this. Thanks
04:02 huginn` Bug 21772: enhancement, P5 - low, 19.05, agustinmoyano, Signed Off , Add holds and account information tab to the SCO module
04:06 mtj hi amoyano.. no need to send patches to koha-patches list, i think
04:08 amoyano Hi mtj, thanks.. I had my doubts because it's still in the wiki
04:08 mtj https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_for_Koha_patches
04:08 mtj "WARNING! It's not longer necessary to send patches to the mailing list. Please upload them to Bugzilla instead.
04:08 mtj See: Git bz configuration "
04:09 mtj amoyano: ...and thanks for the patches! :P
04:10 amoyano That was a big WARNING sign i just missed.. :P thanks
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07:37 magnuse \o/
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07:45 reiveune hello
07:45 wahanui salut, reiveune
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08:00 alex_a bonjour
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08:13 ashimema what stats are you looking at where you want to beat wizzyrea magnuse?
08:13 * ashimema thought perhaps[…]aphs/contributors
08:13 * cait1 waves quickly before being overrun agian
08:13 ashimema which seems a really random order
08:13 * ashimema throws hugs back at cait and hope's they catch her before she dissapears again
08:14 ashimema go hugs, go
08:14 josef_moravec hi cait, ashimena, alex_a
08:14 cait1 :)
08:14 ashimema morning josef_moravec
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08:54 magnuse ashimema:[…]ster/authors.html
09:10 ashimema cool
09:12 ashimema wow.. i never would have said I'd crept up above you
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09:39 andreashm I love that 'root' is on the author list
09:40 dolf I need some help diagnosing a problem... Not sure if this is the right place to ask. Here goes: On February 7th 2019 I updated Koha from 18.05 to 18.11 (latest one available in the Debian repos at that stage). Since then, we've been seeing some strange behaviour when adding new records (cataloging). Sometimes after adding a new record, there would already be an item, before we add any items.
09:41 dolf We have database backups of almost every day at midnight since 2019/01/28. So I used mysqldbcompare to check what changed, and it seems that records in the biblio table are sometimes overwritten by the new record when cataloging (gasp), meaning that we randomly lose books when cataloging. Sound like a bug, but I'm not sure. And I can't find a pattern to reproduce it reliably.
09:59 magnuse dolf: there is a function to replace a record with a new record, i think
10:01 magnuse if you are in detail view you can choose Edit -> Replace record via Z39.50/SRU
10:01 dolf magnuse: Are you referring to a Perl function, or some functionality in the user interface? I downloaded the source code and tried to surmise where updates to the biblio table are taking place, but I'm afraid I can't read Perl (yet).
10:01 magnuse but that does not look like something you would do by accident...
10:01 dolf O snap you answered before I asked
10:01 magnuse hehe
10:02 dolf I'm not the one doing the cataloging around here, so let me go and check with the people. But this only started happening after the update, and we've been using Koha since about 2013, I think. Maybe earlier. Got about 40k books on the shelf :)
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10:10 magnuse kia ora cait cait2 and vfernandes
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10:22 vfernandes hi #koha
10:33 ashimema anyone know how the whitelist of prefs going into HEA was derived?
10:33 * ashimema is wondering why MaxFine is not in there
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11:35 oleonard Hi all
11:35 josef_moravec hi oleonard
11:35 wahanui hi oleopard
12:22 ashimema anyone around to talk about overdue charges?
12:22 ashimema I've got a scenario I want to run past someone
12:23 oleonard Sorry ashimema I'm only available to commiserate about how bad fines are
12:23 ashimema If a patron borrowers an item and it goes overdue for a few days.. they get fined... if they then renew the item the fine stops incrementing but remains owed.. correct
12:24 ashimema if the patron then goes overdue again.. should that result in a new fine or append to the existing 'fixed' fine?
12:27 ashimema oh hang on.. I'm wrong
12:27 ashimema there an &&
12:28 ashimema the warning in here should be unreachable
12:28 ashimema oh good.. ignore me now
12:28 ashimema though if you have a clue what MaxFine is meant to do that would be cool too oleonard
12:28 ashimema the description isn't especially clear (and the code is even less so)
12:29 oleonard Like I said ashimema... I only complain about fines, nothing more.
12:32 ashimema lol
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13:00 dolf So here is a weird situation...
13:02 dolf Search for a term, e.g. "justice" at /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/ then click "Z39.50/SRU Search". In the popup window, click "Search". Choose a book and click Actions -> Import. Instead of going to a page called "Add MARC Record" I get "Editing [title]. (Record number 28412). But record number 28412 already exists, and has a totally different title. If I click save on this page, the old record is overwritten.
13:04 dolf If I do the same thing starting from the[…]guing/ page "Cataloging Search" instead of "Search the catalog" then I get "Add MARC Record". I hope my explanation is clear... This seems wrong. I'm not sure why Koha decides to replace an old record.
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13:25 caroline1 hey guys!
13:25 caroline1 my computer died... :(
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13:38 talljoy morning #koha
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14:13 alex_a !seen corilynn
14:13 AnnaBoten corilynn was last seen in #koha 1 day, 21 hours, 32 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <corilynn> i only make socks on the knitting machine
14:25 wizzyrea hi
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14:52 ashimema oleonard still about?
14:53 * ashimema is still working on fines.. but this time it's a UX/UI question ;)
15:09 oleonard I am back ashimema
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15:13 * oleonard forgot AnnaBoten was a bot
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15:22 oleonard Who runs AnnaBoten?
15:22 oleonard AnnaBoten: Who is your master?
15:22 AnnaBoten Error: "Who" is not a valid command.
15:22 oleonard AnnaBoten: Whom do you call Maker?
15:22 AnnaBoten Error: "Whom" is not a valid command.
15:26 ashimema On the school run now
15:27 ashimema I was going to get your thoughts on UI changes for bug 22521
15:27 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Convert fines handling to use 'status' instead of two accounttypes
15:27 oleonard I'll take a look ashimema
15:28 ashimema I'm looking to break down accounttype ( which currently hold both the 'type' and the 'state' of accountline in a quasi field) into accounttype and status
15:28 ashimema So.. in this particular bug it'll be removing 'FU' and adding various statuses to overdue fines
15:29 ashimema Wondering how best to expose that in the UI..
15:29 ashimema I've not done anything UI wise yet
15:29 ashimema Just seeking direction really
15:29 ashimema I could map stuff back in the controller's for now..
15:30 ashimema But longer term it might be nice to do something else
15:37 wizzyrea so you're talking about the distinction between a fine that isn't accruing, and one that is?
15:37 wizzyrea and how to show that?
15:39 wizzyrea well "account type" has always been a bit confusing
15:39 wizzyrea what are your statuses?
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15:41 * oleonard waves to wizzyrea
15:42 corilynn hi, ya'll, I have questions
15:44 oleonard corilynn: Do we get to see them? :)
15:44 corilynn sorry, trying to form them. So, my friend bug 18823
15:44 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18823 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, carnold, Signed Off , Advanced editor - Rancor - add ability to edit records in import batches
15:44 corilynn got a re-base today?
15:45 corilynn and there were two bugs mentioned in comment 79
15:45 oleonard Oh yes alex_a was looking for you earlier
15:45 corilynn https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=18823#c79
15:45 huginn` Bug 18823: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, carnold, Signed Off , Advanced editor - Rancor - add ability to edit records in import batches
15:45 corilynn I've been knee deep in another proj
15:46 corilynn but those two bugs don't seem to have any thing to do with this?
15:46 corilynn where did those bugs come from?
15:47 corilynn is there some line of communication I'm not in?
15:48 ashimema Sorry, was on school run
15:49 oleonard corilynn: The comment was made by alex_a who appears to not be around at the moment
15:50 corilynn kewl, but generally, where did those bugs come from?
15:50 corilynn is there a line of communication, oleonard, that I'm not privy to?
15:50 oleonard No
15:50 corilynn or, rather, am unaware of...
15:50 ashimema So right now I've kept the three states that already existed for fines.. 'FU' could become either 'F' or 'FFOR'.. do.. I've changed that to 'OVERDUE' as the accounttype and 'UNRETURNED', 'RETURNED' and 'FORGIVEN' as the states
15:51 ashimema But it could in the future include LOST for example
15:51 wizzyrea so you could say something like Fine (Unreturned item)
15:52 ashimema I've also given VOID the same treatment in nother bug.. is now keeps its original accounttype and gets a status of VOID instead.. I didn't like that you lost the type of the credit you were voiding
15:52 wizzyrea Fine - unreturned is basically just a fine right?
15:52 ashimema That's kinda what led me down this in the first place
15:53 wizzyrea so you could just say "Fine"
15:53 wizzyrea bah let me go back
15:53 wizzyrea fine - returned is basically just a fine
15:53 wizzyrea so you don't need to say anything more about it
15:53 ashimema I got 'unreturned' from a rangi comment somewhere.. 'FU' was originally coined for Fine Unreturned (I always thought it was (fine updating)
15:54 wizzyrea right, the intent is the same, it's an accruing fine
15:54 * alex_a just finished a meeting
15:54 alex_a oleonard, corilynn ?
15:54 corilynn i'm here alex_a
15:55 wizzyrea you could also say "Fine (accruing)" but accruing is a terrible word
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15:55 wizzyrea i mean it's a great word its just not a common word
15:55 kidclamp .
15:55 oleonard .
15:55 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
15:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #244: FIXED in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D8/244/
15:55 corilynn ..
15:55 alex_a corilynn, i've obsoleted this 2 patch
15:56 alex_a Problably a misstake when signing off
15:56 alex_a -s
15:56 alex_a +s
15:56 wizzyrea .
15:56 wizzyrea why ware we dotting
15:56 alex_a i don't know
15:56 corilynn where did the bugs come frome?
15:56 ashimema agreed
15:57 corilynn i.e. how did you know to obsolete the patches, alex_a?
15:57 ashimema it's more how to display.. I like the bracket approach.. or it could be a further field in the tables or anything else (a hover effect.. I don't like that idea myself)..
15:57 kidclamp that was an "oh i didn't sign in this morning. Any laters?"
15:57 kidclamp but no...kidclamp is not needed
15:57 corilynn kidclamp is always needed
15:58 oleonard kidclamp: That's why you say hello, didn't your momma raise you right?
15:58 alex_a corilynn, 'cause i got a weird conflict when applying again the patches
15:58 kidclamp don't blame my momma for my mistakes
15:58 * oleonard is always fishing for @laters when greeting the room
15:58 corilynn oooooooh okay
15:58 * kidclamp clamp clamp clamp
15:58 ashimema lol
15:58 corilynn I was just thinking I was out of the loop somehow
15:59 kidclamp @later tell oleonard keep up the great work, and you are a sharp dresser
15:59 huginn` kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
15:59 corilynn thx, alex_a
15:59 corilynn also, alex_a, are we waiting on the gods that are QA before we move on with the rest of the patches?
16:00 * oleonard will now stay silent until he forgets he read kidclamp's message
16:00 oleonard Dang it!
16:00 * ashimema hasn't been called a god before
16:00 ashimema lol
16:00 corilynn I highly doubt that, ashimema
16:01 alex_a corilynn, we are waiting on the QA team :)
16:01 corilynn okay, I thought so, just checking
16:01 alex_a Gods want cash. QA team is free corilynn
16:01 corilynn my hubs is QA, so I know of the secret handshakes and stuff
16:01 ashimema aw, shucks
16:01 ashimema hehe
16:03 alex_a kidclamp, i rebased bug 19270. Do you think it needs more work or can it be signed off ?
16:03 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19270 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, ASSIGNED , Advanced Editor - Rancor - Add ability to search batches on arbitrary marc fields
16:03 wizzyrea corilynn, it's too bad I don't know you better because I have the most inappropriate response to that handshake thing
16:03 corilynn wizzyrea, I'm cool
16:03 wizzyrea and I don't know if you'd laugh or hate me
16:03 corilynn for those that know me, laughing is my most likely response to nearly every situation
16:03 wizzyrea or at least think i'm uncultured swine, which is actually probably true.
16:04 * oleonard thinks wizzyrea is international and cosmopolitan
16:04 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:04 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #240: FIXED in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.05_U18/240/
16:05 wizzyrea golly
16:05 kidclamp Functionally it is probably fine, but that one and dependency may need unit tests, will let QA seek them first :-)
16:06 kidclamp alex_a^
16:07 alex_a lol
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16:15 wizzyrea why do stupid crunchy cheetos have to taste so good
16:15 wizzyrea and why do people who live in my house (not me) keep buying them
16:16 wizzyrea also oreos.
16:16 wizzyrea these are not things people should keep in my house.
16:16 oleonard If I worked from home the snack police would have to become quite draconian
16:16 ashimema lol
16:20 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #240: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/240/
16:20 * ashimema has the same problem
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16:23 wizzyrea this is a strong case for working from the library
16:24 mifantrax good afternoon everyone, i would like to change the text displayed on the koha login page, as we use GoogleOpenID and also username and password authentication, are there system preferences for that ?
16:24 mifantrax this is the page
16:24 mifantrax
16:25 mifantrax thank you
16:26 oleonard mifantrax: There is a system preference, OpacLoginInstructions, for changing the text which appears below the login form
16:27 mifantrax strange, i thought i tried that and it did not help.
16:27 mifantrax thank you for your info
16:27 mifantrax i might have done something wrong
16:28 mifantrax i will look again,
16:28 * oleonard was wrong to hope this was a library for Turner Classic Movies
16:28 mifantrax one more question, is it possible to customize it in fuction of the language chosen my the patron ?
16:29 ashimema is there a reason we don't use the include for all cases that you know of oleonard?
16:29 oleonard mifantrax: Unfortunately no. The OpacLoginInstructions preference is global for all languages
16:29 ashimema neither and seem to use it.
16:29 oleonard ashimema: I do not know
16:30 ashimema okies
16:30 ashimema ta
16:30 wizzyrea mifantrax, i thought we had some code in that let you TT in there
16:30 wizzyrea so you could do conditionals
16:30 wizzyrea I know of libraries that have customised their html blocks
16:30 wizzyrea in multiple languages
16:31 wizzyrea
16:31 wizzyrea this one, for example, in te reo Māori
16:32 mifantrax ok, thank you very much
16:32 mifantrax i will look into that
16:32 oleonard (which reminds me to wonder why the language-picker isn't on the login page)
16:33 oleonard wizzyrea: Is the te reo Māori version customized?
16:33 wizzyrea yep
16:33 wizzyrea er no
16:34 reiveune bye
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16:34 wizzyrea i'm feeling like that code to do it was at the very least submitted to Koha
16:34 wizzyrea if not in
16:36 wizzyrea[…]31c30f9fe4a4b77b4 this was the code to do it
16:36 ashimema is it documented.. I'd not realised you could do that
16:37 wizzyrea it looks like it never made it upstream :(
16:37 ashimema :(
16:37 wizzyrea but it's a real easy fix
16:37 ashimema boooo
16:38 * ashimema glares at rangi ;)
16:38 oleonard How does it work wizzyrea ?
16:38 wizzyrea you put TT directives in your sysprefs
16:38 wizzyrea [% IF $lang == "en" %] <do this thing> ... etc
16:39 wizzyrea and else the other languages until you've got them all translated
16:39 oleonard So is it the "eval" filter which is missing?
16:39 wizzyrea yep
16:40 wizzyrea I think they only did the ones we were using
16:40 wizzyrea but you could do it to all of them
16:40 * oleonard discretely indicates bug 22318
16:40 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22318 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Extend Koha news feature to include other content areas
16:40 wizzyrea :)
16:40 wizzyrea oh those should be translatable anyway yeah?
16:40 wizzyrea bc news
16:40 ashimema :)
16:41 oleonard Yes!
16:41 wizzyrea that'll be good for Toi Ohomai, will make their stuff a lot easier
16:41 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
16:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #53: FIXED in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.11_D9/53/
16:43 wizzyrea oh don't glare at rangi
16:43 wizzyrea that's really just not required
16:43 ashimema it was a friendly glare ;)
16:44 ashimema we all end up with things that are not upstreamed
16:44 wizzyrea tbf it was in a period of "all the projects" ^.^
16:44 ashimema chat isn't a good medium sometimes
16:45 * wizzyrea is not fussed
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17:54 wizzyrea ooh when did we get notes in the circ rules that's neat
17:55 * oleonard hadn't noticed that that had made it in
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19:21 corilynn @later tell alex_a that corilynn is okay with the direction he wants to take with bugs:  19265, 19266, 19269, and 19270
19:21 huginn` corilynn: The operation succeeded.
19:23 rangi morning
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19:29 wizzyrea hi rangi
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19:34 wizzyrea hi kathryn
19:35 kathryn hi wizzyrea :)
19:35 kathryn and evvverybody
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21:12 cait he
21:12 cait y
21:12 cait #koha
21:12 ashimema cait , how goes it
21:16 cait we are done
21:16 cait the user group meeting went well :) we had a room with 21 seats and managed to cram 42 people in
21:16 cait some more tried to get in... i hope we wll have a bigger room next year
21:18 cait how are things with #koha?
21:26 ashimema All seems good, busy busy as ever..
21:27 ashimema I've been hacking away on fines handling.. the logic in here ain't half confusing..
21:27 ashimema it's made me ask lots of surrounding questions . Like
21:28 ashimema How was the sysprefs whitelist derived for HEA and are we as QA team responsible for working out if new Prefs should be added to that whitelist as Prefs are added?
21:28 * ashimema doesn't know why MaxFine isn't in the list
21:29 cait good question, no idea :)
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21:30 ashimema Well, it's not changed since he's first went in as far as I can tell... So there's lots of more recent Prefs missing from it
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