IRC log for #koha, 2018-09-26

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00:01 CrispyBran https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21410
00:01 huginn Bug 21410: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Granular Settings Model
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05:23 josef_moravec morning #koha
05:27 ashimema Mornin' #koha
05:36 josef_moravec hi ashimema
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06:22 magnuse \o/
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06:29 reiveune hello
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06:59 alex_a bonjour
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07:57 fridolin hi there
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09:00 andreashm hi #koha
09:15 magnuse tjänare andreashm
09:16 andreashm hej magnuse
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09:49 kohaputti https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=18856#c29 cait did you open new bug report for maybe having such a syspref to enable cancel holds even if they are in waiting state?
09:49 huginn Bug 18856: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Cancel Waiting Hold in OPAC does not give useful message
09:49 kohaputti hm, cait is not here
09:51 kidclamp i think they have a work outing today kohaputti
09:51 kohaputti kidclamp, what day is that
09:52 kohaputti just curious :P
09:52 kidclamp wednesday? heh
09:53 ashimema hello
09:53 kohaputti I mean work outing
09:54 kohaputti is that german way of saying work excursion day?
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10:08 kidclamp Yes, a work trip? a fun day?
10:08 kidclamp i heard it from claire so could be the british way of saying it
10:11 ashimema yup
10:11 * ashimema confirms
10:11 ashimema though we don't do them
10:11 ashimema we being companies I've worked for to date.. I know some do
10:12 kohaputti ok
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11:06 marcelr hi #koha
11:14 andreashm hi marcelr
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11:32 magnuse hiya oleonard
11:32 ashimema anyone know how to fix `ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)` when using `koha-create`
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11:37 marcelr remember seeing that one
11:37 marcelr but not much more ;)
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11:44 oleonard 220 in needs signoff is... not great.
11:48 magnuse gah!
11:48 ashimema :'(
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11:52 kohaputti oleonard, now only 119 :)
11:52 kohaputti I meant 219
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12:11 kidclamp bug 21411 :-)
12:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Advanced cataloging editor - rancor - Allow configuration of Keyboard shortcuts
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12:33 JamesRobinson Hi guys, I'm a Koha newbie, looking to get a simple installation up and running so that I can start learning the SIP2 protocol for a library kiosk I am developing in the UK
12:34 JamesRobinson I started with koha-docker, but it has a 500 error when attempting to go to Koha Administration/Libraries and Groups which seemed to be the first step towards configuring Koha for SIP. The error at the backend was DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha_name.branchcategories' doesn't exist [for Statement "SELECT `me`.`categorycode`, `me`.`categoryname`, `me`.`codedescription`, `me`.`categorytype`, `me`.`show_in_pulldo
12:35 JamesRobinson So now I've created a Debian VM on AWS and gone through the steps to install Koha from scratch
12:36 JamesRobinson These instructions:
12:36 JamesRobinson Which was fine until I got to the bit about domains
12:36 JamesRobinson I don't want to use a domain name... I just want to connect to it externally by its IP address if at all possible
12:36 JamesRobinson Is this possible?
12:39 oleonard Yes it's possible JamesRobinson, but if I understand your question correctly it's more of a server-configuration issue than a Koha issue
12:40 oleonard That is... How do I make my server serve the outside world?
12:41 JamesRobinson well I deleted the default apache site (000-default) and meant that koha was being served up on port 80, but accessing the IP address of my server now redirects me to /cgi-bin/koha/ which hangs indefinitely
12:42 oleonard Usually Koha is installed with the staff client at port 8080. Have you tried that?
12:43 JamesRobinson I think my question is what do I need to put in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf if I am not putting a domain name in front of my koha server
12:43 oleonard Your next step is to access the staff client so you can run the web installer.
12:43 oleonard That's why you see the maintenance page on the OPAC.
12:43 JamesRobinson port 8080 or 8081 don't serve up anything
12:43 JamesRobinson ah ok
12:44 JamesRobinson i am currently accessing my debian server with ssh, I've opened up ports 80, 8080, 8081 and 6001 (for SIP i believe)
12:45 oleonard JamesRobinson: I must be misremembering the default site configuration for a Debian package installation
12:46 JamesRobinson yes, I wondered if I need to change that before sudo koha-create --create-db libraryname
12:47 JamesRobinson first few lines are...
12:47 JamesRobinson of /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
12:48 JamesRobinson my current guess would be to put some new unique numbers in those ...PORT vars and create a new library?
12:49 oleonard You shouldn't have to create a whole new library just to change the Apache config
12:49 JamesRobinson ok, I can go and edit the site in sites-available if that's what you mean
12:50 oleonard Yes
12:51 JamesRobinson so it has created two virtual hosts on port 80... I guess one of them could do with being port 8080. I presume from what you said earlier that the "Intranet" (staff client?) is conventionally put on port 8080?
12:52 oleonard Yes
12:52 JamesRobinson righteo, i'll give that a go
12:55 JamesRobinson hmm nothing on port 8080 still
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13:00 oleonard JamesRobinson: Did you restart Apache?
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13:02 caroline good morning #koha!
13:02 caroline I'll try not to take the mass exodus personally :)
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13:03 oleonard Hi caroline
13:03 caroline Hi oleonard!
13:04 JamesRobinson oleonard: yes, firstly tried systemctl reload apache2 and then sudo service apache2 restart  for good measure
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13:12 AnnaBoten magnuse was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <magnuse> gah!
13:12 magnuse \o/
13:12 AndrewIsh As if by magic magnuse appeared!
13:13 magnuse lo and behold!
13:13 AndrewIsh Thanks for your comment on bug 20996, veeeery useful! Can I just check, are you using the FreeForm backend? If so, what branch?
13:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20996 normal, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Fix API response time on ILL request endpoint
13:14 magnuse no, i'm using "my own" Libris backend
13:14 magnuse for swedish ill
13:15 AndrewIsh Aha, interesting! I think the issue you're seeing is independent of the backend used to create the request, but I just wanted to check what was being used to create yours :)
13:16 AndrewIsh magnuse:  What you've found is super useful though, that gives me something to go on, thanks very much for that :)
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13:16 magnuse np!
13:17 magnuse hi again oleonard
13:18 oleonard Oh look JamesRobinson, some smart people woke up. Maybe they can help.
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13:31 oleonard tcohen around?
13:46 * oleonard files a kohadevbox issue and crosses his fingers
14:06 JamesRobinson hi everybody! I'm new... oleonard has been helping me get a scratch install working on an AWS debian VM. I'm just hoping to test out SIP2 so I haven't got a custom domain, but I can't seem to get anything on vm-ip-address:8080. I get the koha maintenance page on port 80, but nothing from the server on 8080. The port is open and all of that. Just nothing served up from apache2. Can I get away with no domain name?
14:08 oleonard And my devbox is borked so I can't even look at my configuration for reference.
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14:11 tcohen hola oleonard
14:11 oleonard Hi tcohen
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14:20 oleonard tcohen, did you see the kohadevbox issue I filed?
14:20 oleonard[…]devbox/issues/273
14:21 tcohen I was just reading it
14:23 oleonard I hope it is informative.
14:26 * ashimema faints in shock... Someone signed off shib Auth on staff
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14:27 marcelr jajm++
14:28 severine_q hello #koha !
14:28 marcelr hi severine_q
14:28 caroline hi severine_q :)
14:29 severine_q hello marcelr & caroline :)
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14:45 JamesRobinson I've tried setting my koha-sites.conf with the following values:
14:45 JamesRobinson and then creating a new library
14:45 JamesRobinson but still nothing on port 8080 :(
14:48 tcohen hola severine_q!
14:48 tcohen jajm++
14:49 tcohen oleonard: I cannot reproduce :-/
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15:00 severine_q bonjour tcohe n!
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15:07 Freddy_Enrique yo everyone :)
15:07 Freddy_Enrique been a while
15:07 caroline Hi Freddy_Enrique!
15:07 Freddy_Enrique Hi Caroline!
15:09 Freddy_Enrique uhm... I've just seen something that got my attetion
15:09 Freddy_Enrique Koha 18.05.03 released was released on August 25 2018
15:09 Freddy_Enrique Koha 17.11.09 released AFTER that???
15:10 oleonard Two stable versions are maintained
15:10 Freddy_Enrique forgive but, shouldn't it fisrt 17.11.09 and then 18.05.03? or how does it work?
15:11 caroline the versions are parallel
15:11 oleonard The release of 17.11.09 is an update from the previous release of 17.11.x
15:12 Freddy_Enrique ah... O.o...god, it must be hard for devs to keep 2 versions
15:12 oleonard Two stable versions and master :)
15:13 oleonard Two release maintainers and one release manager
15:15 caroline Any acquisition geeks around?
15:15 oleonard Nobody wants to admit to that, caroline
15:16 caroline I figured...
15:16 caroline It's like saying you're rooting for the visiting team
15:16 oleonard But anyway, what's your question caroline? :)
15:17 caroline A client asked me how to deal with credits in acquisitions
15:17 Freddy_Enrique thanks for the clarification guys :)
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15:19 Freddy_Enrique one last thing.... when should I consider it's time to update? I have verion 17.05.05 and it's working fine
15:20 caroline After I receive my order, the amount is taken out of the budget, but if I send the item back and the vendor issues a credit, the amount should go back into my budget (and what to do with the record?)
15:20 * oleonard hasn't a clue
15:20 caroline I've never used Koha in a "real" setting, everything is just theory in my head, so it's hard to see how to to that
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15:22 ashimema that's not well catered for yet caroline
15:22 ashimema but..
15:22 ashimema it is to a certain extent what 'invoice adjustments' have been added for
15:22 ashimema one can add a credit there
15:22 ashimema as for upgradeing Freddy_Enrique
15:23 ashimema you should attempt to stay up to date with each months point release for the branch you are running.. that way you get important security and bugfixes
15:24 ashimema personally.. I tend to suggest waiting till about the .04 or .05 release of a new feature release before jumping between feature versions
15:26 Freddy_Enrique I've got a real problem... I lack of knowledge about these versions and how are managed. Can I find this info in the documentation?
15:26 Freddy_Enrique ashimema++
15:26 ashimema so.. something along the lines... 17.11.05 -> 17.11.06 -> 17.11.07 -> 17.11.08 -> all the way to 17.11.10, then if you have something you want in 18.05 got to 18.05.04, then track.. so 18.05.05 -> 18.05.06 etc, etc
15:27 caroline Freddy_Enrique: it's not in the manual
15:28 ashimema we do two 'feature' releases a year.. the YY.MM.00 ones so.. 17.05.00 and 17.11.00 were last years feature releases.. these are the ones where new features are introduced.. we then also do a release per month for the maintainence branches.. so 17.05.01, 17.05.02 etc
15:29 ashimema in general, a maintanence branch lasts roughly 18 months.. but it really depends on whether we have enough volunteers to keep a release maintained for that long
15:29 ashimema caroline.. wonder if we should add some detail around the release cycle to the manuel?
15:30 caroline I'm trying to figure out where it would go... Introduction? About? FAQ?
15:30 ashimema it's a fairly standard model for releaseing
15:30 Freddy_Enrique I learnt that before upgrading I should take a snapshot of my virtual machine. I have 17.05... So.. I'll get 17.11.10. I hope my sudo update/upgrade command doesn't get me to  18.05 instead XD
15:31 ashimema how are your apt sources configured
15:32 ashimema take a quick look in /etc/apt/source.d/koha.list
15:32 ashimema or seomthing like that
15:32 JamesRobinson so for development, do you tend to have koha running in a VirtualBox? I have tried using koha-docker, I have today tried running it on an AWS Debian box, and I keep running into issues :(
15:32 ashimema sources.list.d/koha.list
15:34 ashimema personally.. I'm old fashioned.. I run it on a good ol' dev install
15:34 ashimema but i also work on a remote server as my dev environment.. most people here seem to develop on their local machines and hense vboxes and dockers make lots of sense
15:34 JamesRobinson ah... so you run a debian machine?
15:35 Freddy_Enrique I'm using virtual box for production in my personal computer. The IT department is going through a lot of problems these days
15:35 Freddy_Enrique Ubuntu :3
15:35 JamesRobinson I spend a lot of time in AWS, so I thought spinning up a Debian box would be the way to go
15:35 ashimema when a dev joins ptfs-europe we run up a new server for them running debian ;)
15:35 ashimema personally I run arch linux as my day to day computer
15:36 ashimema a deb box on aws is a great way to go
15:36 JamesRobinson I've followed the instructions on here:
15:36 JamesRobinson but I don't have a custom domain so skipped that bit
15:36 JamesRobinson set the vars in koha-sites to DOMAIN="" INTRAPORT="8080" INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX=""
15:36 JamesRobinson created my library
15:36 ashimema i run a pretty similar setup to whats described here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]development_setup
15:36 JamesRobinson but I get nothing on port 8080 :(
15:37 JamesRobinson oh
15:37 ashimema hmm
15:37 JamesRobinson another guide! ok, I'll see if there's anything in there that I can try
15:37 ashimema sure 8080's not blocked by a firewall?
15:37 JamesRobinson thanks
15:37 JamesRobinson nope, it hits the server but nothing's served up
15:37 JamesRobinson port 80 is fine
15:38 JamesRobinson although that causes the machine to lockup for a while, redirects me to
15:39 Freddy_Enrique in apache conf file I use 8080 for intranet and 8081 for OPAC
15:39 ashimema Freddy_Enrique: take a look at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian. You can easily set what version of koha you want to track by using the codename.. either set `17.11` or `18.05` to 'pin' to a specific version.. or set `oldstable` for example to pin to the safest latest release or `stable` for a newer but possibly slightly less stable release
15:40 ashimema in production.. I'd go for `oldstable` personally
15:40 Freddy_Enrique the ip procedure
15:40 Freddy_Enrique GOt it :)
15:40 * ashimema has to go cook tea for the kids now
15:40 ashimema but I'll try to listen in for any questions
15:49 JamesRobinson AHA! I had not told Apache to listen on port 8080. Obvious. It's been a long time, but I still should have remembered that.
15:50 JamesRobinson in /etc/apache2/ports.conf
15:51 Freddy_Enrique :)
15:51 Freddy_Enrique One thing I have never tried is the domain installation procedure. Looks complicated
15:52 Freddy_Enrique is it posible to do that locally?
15:52 Freddy_Enrique Or I must get a domain form companies like hostgator or go daddy
16:01 ashimema Just give your instance a domain name then set you local machine hosts file to map the name to the servers ip
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16:08 tuxayo hi! o/
16:09 Freddy_Enrique Thanks ashimema
16:09 Freddy_Enrique yo tuxayo
16:09 Freddy_Enrique wanahui, you there?
16:09 Freddy_Enrique ...
16:11 tuxayo ashimema: do you have some time to validate specs for a simpler reboot of bug 12310?
16:11 tuxayo[…]eGL5g9sCd70ki2j1/
16:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 major, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Failed QA , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines
16:11 tuxayo Paul discussed about it with kidclamp at the KohaCon and they would push for simpler requirements than the ones that I got at the 2018 march hackfest
16:11 tuxayo o/ Freddy_Enrique
16:33 * cait1 waves
16:34 oleonard Hi cait1
16:36 oleonard Bug 21377
16:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21377 critical, P2, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Variable declarations erroneously filtered
16:37 cait1 for me?
16:38 * ashimema takes a quick look between mouthfuls
16:39 oleonard cait1: I thought I'd put it out there.
16:50 cait1 bbiab
17:47 tcohen hi
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17:56 caroline I was going through the links at the end of the manual and noticed these two : and are they still used? The latest entries are from 2011 and 2017 respectively
17:57 oleonard Never even heard of as far as I know
17:59 oleonard caroline: I would remove them from the manual
17:59 caroline Is this something we'd like to keep up? Like a press review of Koha? (Maybe I should just ask at the next meeting)
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18:55 oleonard Hi alexbuckley_
19:22 oleonard Anyone around who worked on Bug 19532?
19:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P3, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha
19:22 kidclamp my hands are dirty
19:23 oleonard Cheetos?
19:23 kidclamp and recalls
19:23 oleonard I'm getting an error but I wonder if there's a simple fix I can make in order to keep testing.
19:23 oleonard Missing right curly or square bracket at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/ line 4147, at end of line
19:24 kidclamp try adding a right curly or square bracket?
19:24 kidclamp :-D
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Alberto Martinez <[…]3a8f59150dbeffde2>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 5458: DBRev <[…]ebf3f87a84d89cfd8>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21397: Mark "Routing list" tab as active when selected <[…]08a559c4736e20426>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20023: (QA follow-up) Tiny simplification <[…]7c42882ba192ee560>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21380: (QA follow-up) Use uri filter in link parameters <[…]4a5b4e847fc9f17a7>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21380: Circulation history UI improvements - make barcode clickable <[…]91f25ac09df862b0a>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20023: Password recovery using email should be case insensitive <[…]84c9788a64fe6dd04>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21350: Added icon to Pending on-site checkouts and moved <[…]6a9c67df8e2c8e2ef>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21353: (follow-up) same check for select/clear all links <[…]aace120dae8316048>
19:24 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21333: (follow-up) Make link a button <[…]eab6cc317d37050ec>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21353: Display checkboxes to merge patron even if cannot manage lists <[…]1db9e35dd217f8790>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21341: Style button on acquisitions existing record search with Bootstrap <[…]1d7e7e240e01cc039>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21333: Add ability to add to basket from a new file <[…]29bb197aa73df31a1>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 5458: increase ccode column to varchar 80 <[…]da4fa2c9f7f6b2e6f>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21196: Use replacement cost from the item type if not set at item level <[…]822b7affc9cc93c68>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21196: Add tests <[…]95e846b196883f42e>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20915: Use date --iso-8601 instead of date +%Y-%m-%d <[…]6cdbecc41a3e80586>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20669: Add upgrade method to plugins <[…]aa241ed73ea2a5a1c>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20534: Floating toolbar when editing vendors <[…]cebb353ba517a20b9>
19:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19620: Allow skipping of patrons with valid emails for Talking Tech <[…]acd9981fef499a162>
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19:43 oleonard bye #koha
19:44 * kidclamp ducks out quick, before jenkins gets angry
19:44 kidclamp bye
19:45 ashimema Run away
19:45 ashimema Or risk the wrath of jenkins
19:46 * ashimema quietly disappears into the background again
19:58 Freddy_Enrique Mt butler's wrath.. muajaja
20:05 rangi morning
20:05 caroline good morning rangi!
20:05 rangi we have a new doc writer caroline !
20:05 caroline :O
20:05 caroline Who who?
20:06 rangi Lucy Vaux-Harvey
20:06 * caroline is googling
20:06 rangi[…]a-manual/activity
20:07 rangi ahh cool
20:07 rangi from the NHS in the UK
20:07 caroline no picture...
20:07 caroline I though maybe she was one of the converts from the con
20:08 rangi ahh nope I don't think they were there
20:08 rangi but maybe ptfs-europe went back and showed her :)
20:08 caroline maybe! :)
20:09 caroline high five!
20:09 rangi :)
20:11 caroline Google image search is so weird... I search for her name and the more I go the weirder the images (b&w picture of someone dressed as Che Guevarra, interior of a car, poster of a concert by Alain Morisod Sweet People)
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20:11 rangi heh
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20:19 caroline Oh yes! It's definitely from PTFS, I asked them to document ILL and they said they'd pass it on
20:19 rangi the system works!
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22:59 mtompset @seen CrispyBran
22:59 huginn mtompset: CrispyBran was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <CrispyBran> https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21410
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