Time  Nick           Message
00:01 CrispyBran     https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21410
00:01 huginn         Bug 21410: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Granular Settings Model
05:23 josef_moravec  morning #koha
05:27 ashimema       Mornin' #koha
05:36 josef_moravec  hi ashimema
06:22 magnuse        \o/
06:29 reiveune       hello
06:59 alex_a         bonjour
07:57 fridolin       hi there
09:00 andreashm      hi #koha
09:15 magnuse        tjänare andreashm
09:16 andreashm      hej magnuse
09:49 kohaputti      https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18856#c29 cait did you open new bug report for maybe having such a syspref to enable cancel holds even if they are in waiting state?
09:49 huginn         Bug 18856: normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Cancel Waiting Hold in OPAC does not give useful message
09:49 kohaputti      hm, cait is not here
09:51 kidclamp       i think they have a work outing today kohaputti
09:51 kohaputti      kidclamp, what day is that
09:52 kohaputti      just curious :P
09:52 kidclamp       wednesday? heh
09:53 ashimema       hello
09:53 kohaputti      I mean work outing
09:54 kohaputti      is that german way of saying work excursion day?
10:08 kidclamp       Yes, a work trip? a fun day?
10:08 kidclamp       i heard it from claire so could be the british way of saying it
10:11 ashimema       yup
10:11 * ashimema     confirms
10:11 ashimema       though we don't do them
10:11 ashimema       we being companies I've worked for to date.. I know some do
10:12 kohaputti      ok
10:19 * andreashm    waves
11:06 marcelr        hi #koha
11:14 andreashm      hi marcelr
11:32 magnuse        hiya oleonard
11:32 ashimema       anyone know how to fix `ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)` when using `koha-create`
11:37 marcelr        remember seeing that one
11:37 marcelr        but not much more ;)
11:44 oleonard       220 in needs signoff is... not great.
11:48 magnuse        gah!
11:48 ashimema       :'(
11:52 kohaputti      oleonard, now only 119 :)
11:52 kohaputti      I meant 219
12:11 kidclamp       bug 21411 :-)
12:11 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Needs Signoff , Advanced cataloging editor - rancor - Allow configuration of Keyboard shortcuts
12:33 JamesRobinson  Hi guys, I'm a Koha newbie, looking to get a simple installation up and running so that I can start learning the SIP2 protocol for a library kiosk I am developing in the UK
12:34 JamesRobinson  I started with koha-docker, but it has a 500 error when attempting to go to Koha Administration/Libraries and Groups which seemed to be the first step towards configuring Koha for SIP. The error at the backend was DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha_name.branchcategories' doesn't exist [for Statement "SELECT `me`.`categorycode`, `me`.`categoryname`, `me`.`codedescription`, `me`.`categorytype`, `me`.`show_in_pulldo
12:35 JamesRobinson  So now I've created a Debian VM on AWS and gone through the steps to install Koha from scratch
12:36 JamesRobinson  These instructions: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
12:36 JamesRobinson  Which was fine until I got to the bit about domains
12:36 JamesRobinson  I don't want to use a domain name... I just want to connect to it externally by its IP address if at all possible
12:36 JamesRobinson  Is this possible?
12:39 oleonard       Yes it's possible JamesRobinson, but if I understand your question correctly it's more of a server-configuration issue than a Koha issue
12:40 oleonard       That is... How do I make my server serve the outside world?
12:41 JamesRobinson  well I deleted the default apache site (000-default) and meant that koha was being served up on port 80, but accessing the IP address of my server now redirects me to /cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl which hangs indefinitely
12:42 oleonard       Usually Koha is installed with the staff client at port 8080. Have you tried that?
12:43 JamesRobinson  I think my question is what do I need to put in /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf if I am not putting a domain name in front of my koha server
12:43 oleonard       Your next step is to access the staff client so you can run the web installer.
12:43 oleonard       That's why you see the maintenance page on the OPAC.
12:43 JamesRobinson  port 8080 or 8081 don't serve up anything
12:43 JamesRobinson  ah ok
12:44 JamesRobinson  i am currently accessing my debian server with ssh, I've opened up ports 80, 8080, 8081 and 6001 (for SIP i believe)
12:45 oleonard       JamesRobinson: I must be misremembering the default site configuration for a Debian package installation
12:46 JamesRobinson  yes, I wondered if I need to change that before sudo koha-create --create-db libraryname
12:47 JamesRobinson  first few lines are...
12:47 JamesRobinson  DOMAIN=".myDNSname.org" INTRAPORT="80" INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX=""
12:47 JamesRobinson  of /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
12:48 JamesRobinson  my current guess would be to put some new unique numbers in those ...PORT vars and create a new library?
12:49 oleonard       You shouldn't have to create a whole new library just to change the Apache config
12:49 JamesRobinson  ok, I can go and edit the site in sites-available if that's what you mean
12:50 oleonard       Yes
12:51 JamesRobinson  so it has created two virtual hosts on port 80... I guess one of them could do with being port 8080. I presume from what you said earlier that the "Intranet" (staff client?) is conventionally put on port 8080?
12:52 oleonard       Yes
12:52 JamesRobinson  righteo, i'll give that a go
12:55 JamesRobinson  hmm nothing on port 8080 still
13:00 oleonard       JamesRobinson: Did you restart Apache?
13:02 caroline       good morning #koha!
13:02 caroline       I'll try not to take the mass exodus personally :)
13:03 oleonard       Hi caroline
13:03 caroline       Hi oleonard!
13:04 JamesRobinson  oleonard: yes, firstly tried systemctl reload apache2 and then sudo service apache2 restart  for good measure
13:06 * oleonard     bbiab
13:12 AndrewIsh      !seen magnuse
13:12 AnnaBoten      magnuse was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 23 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <magnuse> gah!
13:12 magnuse        \o/
13:12 AndrewIsh      As if by magic magnuse appeared!
13:13 magnuse        lo and behold!
13:13 AndrewIsh      Thanks for your comment on bug 20996, veeeery useful! Can I just check, are you using the FreeForm backend? If so, what branch?
13:13 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20996 normal, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Fix API response time on ILL request endpoint
13:14 magnuse        no, i'm using "my own" Libris backend
13:14 magnuse        for swedish ill
13:15 AndrewIsh      Aha, interesting! I think the issue you're seeing is independent of the backend used to create the request, but I just wanted to check what was being used to create yours :)
13:16 AndrewIsh      magnuse:  What you've found is super useful though, that gives me something to go on, thanks very much for that :)
13:16 magnuse        np!
13:17 magnuse        hi again oleonard
13:18 oleonard       Oh look JamesRobinson, some smart people woke up. Maybe they can help.
13:31 oleonard       tcohen around?
13:46 * oleonard     files a kohadevbox issue and crosses his fingers
14:06 JamesRobinson  hi everybody! I'm new... oleonard has been helping me get a scratch install working on an AWS debian VM. I'm just hoping to test out SIP2 so I haven't got a custom domain, but I can't seem to get anything on vm-ip-address:8080. I get the koha maintenance page on port 80, but nothing from the server on 8080. The port is open and all of that. Just nothing served up from apache2. Can I get away with no domain name?
14:08 oleonard       And my devbox is borked so I can't even look at my configuration for reference.
14:11 tcohen         hola oleonard
14:11 oleonard       Hi tcohen
14:20 oleonard       tcohen, did you see the kohadevbox issue I filed?
14:20 oleonard       https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox/issues/273
14:21 tcohen         I was just reading it
14:23 oleonard       I hope it is informative.
14:26 * ashimema     faints in shock... Someone signed off shib Auth on staff
14:27 marcelr        jajm++
14:28 severine_q     hello #koha !
14:28 marcelr        hi severine_q
14:28 caroline       hi severine_q :)
14:29 severine_q     hello marcelr & caroline :)
14:45 JamesRobinson  I've tried setting my koha-sites.conf with the following values:
14:45 JamesRobinson  DOMAIN=".myDNSname.org" INTRAPORT="8080" INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX=""
14:45 JamesRobinson  and then creating a new library
14:45 JamesRobinson  but still nothing on port 8080 :(
14:48 tcohen         hola severine_q!
14:48 tcohen         jajm++
14:49 tcohen         oleonard: I cannot reproduce :-/
14:57 reiveune       bye
15:00 severine_q     bonjour tcohe n!
15:07 Freddy_Enrique yo everyone :)
15:07 Freddy_Enrique been a while
15:07 caroline       Hi Freddy_Enrique!
15:07 Freddy_Enrique Hi Caroline!
15:09 Freddy_Enrique uhm... I've just seen something that got my attetion
15:09 Freddy_Enrique Koha 18.05.03 released was released on August 25 2018
15:09 Freddy_Enrique Koha 17.11.09 released AFTER that???
15:10 oleonard       Two stable versions are maintained
15:10 Freddy_Enrique forgive but, shouldn't it fisrt 17.11.09 and then 18.05.03? or how does it work?
15:11 caroline       the versions are parallel
15:11 oleonard       The release of 17.11.09 is an update from the previous release of 17.11.x
15:12 Freddy_Enrique ah... O.o...god, it must be hard for devs to keep 2 versions
15:12 oleonard       Two stable versions and master :)
15:13 oleonard       Two release maintainers and one release manager
15:15 caroline       Any acquisition geeks around?
15:15 oleonard       Nobody wants to admit to that, caroline
15:16 caroline       I figured...
15:16 caroline       It's like saying you're rooting for the visiting team
15:16 oleonard       But anyway, what's your question caroline? :)
15:17 caroline       A client asked me how to deal with credits in acquisitions
15:17 Freddy_Enrique thanks for the clarification guys :)
15:19 Freddy_Enrique one last thing.... when should I consider it's time to update? I have verion 17.05.05 and it's working fine
15:20 caroline       After I receive my order, the amount is taken out of the budget, but if I send the item back and the vendor issues a credit, the amount should go back into my budget (and what to do with the record?)
15:20 * oleonard     hasn't a clue
15:20 caroline       I've never used Koha in a "real" setting, everything is just theory in my head, so it's hard to see how to to that
15:22 ashimema       that's not well catered for yet caroline
15:22 ashimema       but..
15:22 ashimema       it is to a certain extent what 'invoice adjustments' have been added for
15:22 ashimema       one can add a credit there
15:22 ashimema       as for upgradeing Freddy_Enrique
15:23 ashimema       you should attempt to stay up to date with each months point release for the branch you are running.. that way you get important security and bugfixes
15:24 ashimema       personally.. I tend to suggest waiting till about the .04 or .05 release of a new feature release before jumping between feature versions
15:26 Freddy_Enrique I've got a real problem... I lack of knowledge about these versions and how are managed. Can I find this info in the documentation?
15:26 Freddy_Enrique ashimema++
15:26 ashimema       so.. something along the lines... 17.11.05 -> 17.11.06 -> 17.11.07 -> 17.11.08 -> all the way to 17.11.10, then if you have something you want in 18.05 got to 18.05.04, then track.. so 18.05.05 -> 18.05.06 etc, etc
15:27 caroline       Freddy_Enrique: it's not in the manual
15:28 ashimema       we do two 'feature' releases a year.. the YY.MM.00 ones so.. 17.05.00 and 17.11.00 were last years feature releases.. these are the ones where new features are introduced.. we then also do a release per month for the maintainence branches.. so 17.05.01, 17.05.02 etc
15:29 ashimema       in general, a maintanence branch lasts roughly 18 months.. but it really depends on whether we have enough volunteers to keep a release maintained for that long
15:29 ashimema       caroline.. wonder if we should add some detail around the release cycle to the manuel?
15:30 caroline       I'm trying to figure out where it would go... Introduction? About? FAQ?
15:30 ashimema       it's a fairly standard model for releaseing
15:30 Freddy_Enrique I learnt that before upgrading I should take a snapshot of my virtual machine. I have 17.05... So.. I'll get 17.11.10. I hope my sudo update/upgrade command doesn't get me to  18.05 instead XD
15:31 ashimema       how are your apt sources configured
15:32 ashimema       take a quick look in /etc/apt/source.d/koha.list
15:32 ashimema       or seomthing like that
15:32 JamesRobinson  so for development, do you tend to have koha running in a VirtualBox? I have tried using koha-docker, I have today tried running it on an AWS Debian box, and I keep running into issues :(
15:32 ashimema       sources.list.d/koha.list
15:34 ashimema       personally.. I'm old fashioned.. I run it on a good ol' dev install
15:34 ashimema       but i also work on a remote server as my dev environment.. most people here seem to develop on their local machines and hense vboxes and dockers make lots of sense
15:34 JamesRobinson  ah... so you run a debian machine?
15:35 Freddy_Enrique I'm using virtual box for production in my personal computer. The IT department is going through a lot of problems these days
15:35 Freddy_Enrique Ubuntu :3
15:35 JamesRobinson  I spend a lot of time in AWS, so I thought spinning up a Debian box would be the way to go
15:35 ashimema       when a dev joins ptfs-europe we run up a new server for them running debian ;)
15:35 ashimema       personally I run arch linux as my day to day computer
15:36 ashimema       a deb box on aws is a great way to go
15:36 JamesRobinson  I've followed the instructions on here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:36 JamesRobinson  but I don't have a custom domain so skipped that bit
15:36 JamesRobinson  set the vars in koha-sites to DOMAIN=".myDNSname.org" INTRAPORT="8080" INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX=""
15:36 JamesRobinson  created my library
15:36 ashimema       i run a pretty similar setup to whats described here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian_Jessie_development_setup
15:36 JamesRobinson  but I get nothing on port 8080 :(
15:37 JamesRobinson  oh
15:37 ashimema       hmm
15:37 JamesRobinson  another guide! ok, I'll see if there's anything in there that I can try
15:37 ashimema       sure 8080's not blocked by a firewall?
15:37 JamesRobinson  thanks
15:37 JamesRobinson  nope, it hits the server but nothing's served up
15:37 JamesRobinson  port 80 is fine
15:38 JamesRobinson  although that causes the machine to lockup for a while, redirects me to maintenance.pl
15:39 Freddy_Enrique in apache conf file I use 8080 for intranet and 8081 for OPAC
15:39 ashimema       Freddy_Enrique: take a look at https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian. You can easily set what version of koha you want to track by using the codename.. either set `17.11` or `18.05` to 'pin' to a specific version.. or set `oldstable` for example to pin to the safest latest release or `stable` for a newer but possibly slightly less stable release
15:40 ashimema       in production.. I'd go for `oldstable` personally
15:40 Freddy_Enrique the ip procedure
15:40 Freddy_Enrique GOt it :)
15:40 * ashimema     has to go cook tea for the kids now
15:40 ashimema       but I'll try to listen in for any questions
15:49 JamesRobinson  AHA! I had not told Apache to listen on port 8080. Obvious. It's been a long time, but I still should have remembered that.
15:50 JamesRobinson  in /etc/apache2/ports.conf
15:51 Freddy_Enrique :)
15:51 Freddy_Enrique One thing I have never tried is the domain installation procedure. Looks complicated
15:52 Freddy_Enrique is it posible to do that locally?
15:52 Freddy_Enrique Or I must get a domain form companies like hostgator or go daddy
16:01 ashimema       Just give your instance a domain name then set you local machine hosts file to map the name to the servers ip
16:08 tuxayo         hi! o/
16:09 Freddy_Enrique Thanks ashimema
16:09 Freddy_Enrique yo tuxayo
16:09 Freddy_Enrique wanahui, you there?
16:09 Freddy_Enrique ...
16:11 tuxayo         ashimema: do you have some time to validate specs for a simpler reboot of bug 12310?
16:11 tuxayo         https://cryptpad.fr/pad/#/2/pad/edit/IqrmR9fXeGL5g9sCd70ki2j1/
16:11 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12310 major, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, Failed QA , Decimal separators issues in patrons payments/fines
16:11 tuxayo         Paul discussed about it with kidclamp at the KohaCon and they would push for simpler requirements than the ones that I got at the 2018 march hackfest
16:11 tuxayo         o/ Freddy_Enrique
16:33 * cait1        waves
16:34 oleonard       Hi cait1
16:36 oleonard       Bug 21377
16:36 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21377 critical, P2, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Variable declarations erroneously filtered
16:37 cait1          for me?
16:38 * ashimema     takes a quick look between mouthfuls
16:39 oleonard       cait1: I thought I'd put it out there.
16:50 cait1          bbiab
17:47 tcohen         hi
17:56 caroline       I was going through the links at the end of the manual and noticed these two : https://groups.diigo.com/group/everything-koha and https://www.zotero.org/groups/6684/koha? are they still used? The latest entries are from 2011 and 2017 respectively
17:57 oleonard       Never even heard of diigo.com as far as I know
17:59 oleonard       caroline: I would remove them from the manual
17:59 caroline       Is this something we'd like to keep up? Like a press review of Koha? (Maybe I should just ask at the next meeting)
18:55 oleonard       Hi alexbuckley_
19:22 oleonard       Anyone around who worked on Bug 19532?
19:22 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P3, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha
19:22 kidclamp       my hands are dirty
19:23 oleonard       Cheetos?
19:23 kidclamp       and recalls
19:23 oleonard       I'm getting an error but I wonder if there's a simple fix I can make in order to keep testing.
19:23 oleonard       Missing right curly or square bracket at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/Circulation.pm line 4147, at end of line
19:24 kidclamp       try adding a right curly or square bracket?
19:24 kidclamp       :-D
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 7143: Update about page for new dev - Alberto Martinez <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=90ff0f33430bfc643982c883a8f59150dbeffde2>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 5458: DBRev 18.06.00.032 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5becc84f5f2e8f82b765b5ebf3f87a84d89cfd8>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21397: Mark "Routing list" tab as active when selected <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=270a408949e69b97aff87a208a559c4736e20426>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20023: (QA follow-up) Tiny simplification <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eec74a2cd1847a859b4fab37c42882ba192ee560>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21380: (QA follow-up) Use uri filter in link parameters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8577d55d4ee867282c37c8b4a5b4e847fc9f17a7>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21380: Circulation history UI improvements - make barcode clickable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9037e661b16006181a2661191f25ac09df862b0a>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20023: Password recovery using email should be case insensitive <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc3bc2920744e35256b45b784c9788a64fe6dd04>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21350: Added icon to Pending on-site checkouts and moved <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ef81d996909d8bd1cd290b6a9c67df8e2c8e2ef>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21353: (follow-up) same check for select/clear all links <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf908a5f07ffbd492c42483aace120dae8316048>
19:24 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21333: (follow-up) Make link a button <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=616ed6013f590024a795847eab6cc317d37050ec>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21353: Display checkboxes to merge patron even if cannot manage lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d60b0a2e4d3359c127f1e801db9e35dd217f8790>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21341: Style button on acquisitions existing record search with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bbbd083cf4cc73442bc8911d7e7e240e01cc039>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21333: Add ability to add to basket from a new file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=393b2582349b48f67e5693629bb197aa73df31a1>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 5458: increase ccode column to varchar 80 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c59ef0452ccbae17de3b839da4fa2c9f7f6b2e6f>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21196: Use replacement cost from the item type if not set at item level <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a62742f4260425af8e69a88822b7affc9cc93c68>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21196: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d415e51180cac0152c2ab0f95e846b196883f42e>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20915: Use date --iso-8601 instead of date +%Y-%m-%d <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=647422883d56d7512053f4d6cdbecc41a3e80586>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20669: Add upgrade method to plugins <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=100385196ecadb34669190caa241ed73ea2a5a1c>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 20534: Floating toolbar when editing vendors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=de434c2398aa0629e6a9119cebb353ba517a20b9>
19:25 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 19620: Allow skipping of patrons with valid emails for Talking Tech <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=172f2e0e05759baa6c60d86acd9981fef499a162>
19:43 oleonard       bye #koha
19:44 * kidclamp     ducks out quick, before jenkins gets angry
19:44 kidclamp       bye
19:45 ashimema       Run away
19:45 ashimema       Or risk the wrath of jenkins
19:46 * ashimema     quietly disappears into the background again
19:58 Freddy_Enrique Mt butler's wrath.. muajaja
20:05 rangi          morning
20:05 caroline       good morning rangi!
20:05 rangi          we have a new doc writer caroline !
20:05 caroline       :O
20:05 caroline       Who who?
20:06 rangi          Lucy Vaux-Harvey
20:06 * caroline     is googling
20:06 rangi          https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/activity
20:07 rangi          ahh cool
20:07 rangi          from the NHS in the UK
20:07 caroline       no picture...
20:07 caroline       I though maybe she was one of the converts from the con
20:08 rangi          ahh nope I don't think they were there
20:08 rangi          but maybe ptfs-europe went back and showed her :)
20:08 caroline       maybe! :)
20:09 caroline       high five!
20:09 rangi          :)
20:11 caroline       Google image search is so weird... I search for her name and the more I go the weirder the images (b&w picture of someone dressed as Che Guevarra, interior of a car, poster of a concert by Alain Morisod Sweet People)
20:11 rangi          heh
20:19 caroline       Oh yes! It's definitely from PTFS, I asked them to document ILL and they said they'd pass it on
20:19 rangi          the system works!
22:59 mtompset       @seen CrispyBran
22:59 huginn         mtompset: CrispyBran was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 57 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <CrispyBran> https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21410