IRC log for #koha, 2018-09-20

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00:00 mtompset However, I do like the idea of some sort of cronjob that could possibly check synchronously the validity of mobile numbers, and block accordingly.
00:04 wizzyrea yeah, I was wondering if we even *can* know
00:04 alexbuckley yeah
00:04 wizzyrea where does the failure notice end up?
00:04 wizzyrea email?
00:05 wizzyrea some web interface with an API?
00:05 wizzyrea who knows lol
00:06 mtompset wizzyrea, That's the problem... I'm not sure there is a way to know.
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00:55 mtompset Actually, this is why perhaps a "verify" button might be handy.
00:55 wizzyrea it looks like they mark as failed as the database - I'm not sure how it knows but they do fail there.
00:56 mtompset you shouldn't be able to add a number without an intentional verify.
00:56 wizzyrea yeah I like those lil systems that send a text with a number to verify the phone
00:56 mtompset so, sure save the mobile number, but mark it as "unverified".
00:56 wizzyrea i *feel* secure. it's probably not really but MY FEELINGS MATTER DAMMIT
00:58 mtompset Give the user a way to enter a code to verify the number, and then sending to unverified numbers won't happen.
00:58 wizzyrea (until they change SIM cards because $reasons)
00:58 wizzyrea (phone numbers are often recycled)
00:59 mtompset OH! They use them like toilet paper there too?
00:59 wizzyrea yeah :)
00:59 mtompset It was so frustrating having my Filipino friends changing their numbers so frequently.
01:00 mtompset I've started seeing the move towards that here in Canada now, but a lot slower.
02:06 mtompset Have a great day, #koha wizzyrea alexbuckley Joubu
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06:11 calire mornin' #koha
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06:30 reiveune hello
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06:49 alex_a bonjour
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06:51 matts hi!
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07:40 fridolin hi there
07:40 wahanui salut, fridolin
07:40 fridolin salut à toi ;)
07:41 calire hi fridolin
07:41 calire hey matts
07:41 calire and alex_a o/
07:41 * calire goes back to sleep
07:42 fridolin calire: i'd like tooooo
07:43 calire fridolin[…]homer-simpson.jpg
07:43 fridolin yep something like than
07:43 fridolin :-D
07:43 calire I am playing with jquery to keep myself awake XD
07:44 josef_moravec morning #Koha
07:45 calire hi josef_moravec
07:45 josef_moravec hi calire
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07:50 marcelr hi #koha
07:50 josef_moravec hi marcelr
07:50 marcelr o/
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08:14 paxed is there a list of number of attendees in each kohacon?
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09:18 * andreashm waves
09:28 calire hi andreashm
09:28 andreashm hey calire
09:28 andreashm back at work?
09:29 calire yeah D:
09:29 calire physically at least. Maybe not mentally
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09:44 andreashm calire: haha, I know the feeling
09:46 * andreashm is trying to understand why a hold isn't filled when the book is checked-in.
09:47 andreashm there is a hold, it should be filled. nothing happens. I delete the hold, add it again. same thing happens. very weird, never seen that before.
09:48 andreashm oh, and I can't recreate on our test servers. fun.
09:48 * andreashm wants to go back to bed.
09:48 * andreashm goes out for lunch instead
09:51 calire :(
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11:23 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #62: SUCCESS in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/62/
11:28 ashimema woopie
11:31 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #62: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/62/
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11:34 magnuse oleonard: no, it doesnæt look like "no holds allowed" is enough to keep a book off the "holds to pull"
11:35 oleonard Weird.
11:35 oleonard And hi.
11:35 calire hi oleonard
11:35 wahanui hi oleopard
11:44 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #63: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/63/
11:45 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #63: UNSTABLE in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/63/
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12:03 ashimema odd
12:15 marcelr git grep basketnoes ?
12:21 cait noes?:)
12:21 marcelr right
12:21 cait bug 20896
12:21 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Move serial enumeration to the right of callnumber on staff detail page
12:24 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #64: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/64/
12:24 cait @later tell mtompset thx!
12:24 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
12:25 Guest752 Yippee, build fixed!
12:25 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #64: FIXED in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/64/
12:25 ashimema ok.. that was another properly random one :(
12:25 ashimema all I did we re-run the build and it worked
12:25 ashimema hmm
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12:39 marcelr bug 21337 and bug 21336 ready to go !
12:39 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , Add Koha::Patrons->delete (trivial wrapper)
12:39 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Needs Signoff , GDPR: Process unsubscribe requests automatically
12:40 magnuse cait around?
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12:50 magnuse oleonard: the trouble is when you have one reference copy and one ordinary copy on the same record, and koha sees the reference one as "available for loan"
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12:53 magnuse ah, bug 13640
12:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13640 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds To Pull List includes items unreserveable items
12:53 magnuse we are not alone
13:01 oleonard 👽
13:14 magnuse :-)
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13:19 oleonard Hi caroline_
13:19 caroline_ Hi oleonard!
13:19 wahanui hi oleopard
13:21 tcohen hi
13:21 wahanui bonjour, tcohen
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13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20656: (RM follow-up) Add missing filter <[…]5a0eaf1e7313ff77d>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: (RM follow-up) Add missing filters <[…]1bb2492ddcbcedc30>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: DBRev <[…]f89658af8ee9755cd>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21374: Fix self registration verification <[…]d764d92143f850d76>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20656: (follow-up) Don't display title for F or FU fines (it is in description) <[…]7374aded10ff4a7ed>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Db rev for new table patron_consent and sysprefs <[…]4b9b9adc078048245>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add consent to self-registration process <[…]ac726f17d6a19d866>
13:45 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add check in get_template_and_user to enforce GDPR <[…]872a136de6e6aa349>
13:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add Koha object classes for patron consents <[…]77361011d7cc2705a>
13:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add your consents tab to opac-user <[…]b69512728fce9f9fd>
13:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20656: Better formatting for print summary <[…]c1cd4d4b2d501be34>
13:46 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20656: Don't print lines that have no balance on print summary <[…]f162ad0c0f2428eb4>
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14:15 Guest752 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #559: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/559/
14:15 ashimema how often is updated?
14:17 Guest752 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #47: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/47/
14:23 Guest752 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #53: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/53/
14:34 cait ashimema: i am not sure, but rangi can update it i think
14:34 ashimema I kinda assumed it was scripted
14:35 ashimema appears not.. looks like the master branch wasn't updated for a long time
14:36 barton Joubu: you're right about sharing the imported file.
14:37 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #65: SUCCESS in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/65/
14:38 cait maybe it's broken
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14:41 Guest752 Yippee, build fixed!
14:41 Guest752 Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #65: FIXED in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/65/
15:01 reiveune bye
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15:46 Joubu Hi #koha
15:47 Joubu kidclamp: on 20656 you html escaped a $Price output, it should not be needed (FYI)
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16:34 kidclamp thanks Joubu
16:34 kidclamp are you planning to add the filter check to the qa tools?
16:39 Joubu kidclamp: I would like to avoid to duplicate the code
16:40 Joubu maybe the QA script could run the test file from the Koha xt dir (?)
16:40 kidclamp that would be good
16:41 kidclamp just somethign to catch it earlier - i don't want to fail patches for it, but I also want devs to know to do it
16:41 kidclamp (and I don't want to do it - lazy)
16:46 Joubu I will have a look
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16:54 caroline_ oleonard: can anything go into a modal?
16:55 oleonard caroline_: It gets complicated if you want to do multi-page operations in a modal. What did you have in mind?
16:56 caroline_ a client asked to be able to change item information from the page withtout have to leave the page
16:57 caroline_ especially for the barcode as they add it upon receiving the item
16:58 caroline_ I was thinking maybe a "quick edit" option for the elements that are in the table, like click on the value to modify
16:58 Joubu outch, that does not sound trivial :)
16:58 caroline_ no? I wouldn't know. You're all magicians as far as I know :)
16:58 oleonard No, not trivial to do inline editing of individual fields.
16:58 oleonard But off the top of my head that seems fairly doable in a modal. I don't want to make any promises though.
16:58 caroline_ and if we open a modal with the item form inside?
17:01 oleonard You can use a modal in such a way that it loads just a certain element on a page, so the modal could load just the edit from from the additem page
17:02 Joubu IIRC the item form does not edit the item, just add it
17:02 Joubu and actually it does not insert it in the DB
17:02 Joubu (maybe I am wrong)
17:03 oleonard I think we're talking about items which have already been created, aren't we caroline_ ?
17:03 caroline_ yes, they are created during the order, but they want to modify on receiving
17:04 Joubu yes, so the existing form cannot be reused
17:04 caroline_ but when we click on "edit" it's the same form no?
17:05 oleonard Joubu: But we may be able to use since the item already exists
17:05 caroline_ the link under the "Edit" link is this cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/​&biblionumber=10&itemnumber=8&popup=1#edititem and it goes directly to modify the item
17:06 oleonard ...and that link only behaves that way if AcqCreateItem == 'ordering'
17:06 Joubu should not be called from an ajax request
17:07 caroline_ since their version, at least the link was changed to open in a new tab, so it's better imo
17:21 tcohen hola
17:21 caroline_ hi tcohen!
17:21 tcohen hola caroline_!
17:29 caroline_ Oh, I just reread their message and they want that on not
17:40 cait hi oleonard :)
17:40 oleonard Hi cait
17:40 oleonard Surviving your jet lag I hope?
17:41 cait kind of - i think you said hi yesterday and i just replied to that...
17:41 cait trying to stay awake to a normal sleep time, but it's so hard
17:41 * cait waves at Joubu and caroline_
17:41 caroline_ Hi cait!
17:41 oleonard I accept an unlimited number of greetings at all times of day
17:44 cait :)
17:44 cait missing you all
17:44 caroline_ Joubu and oleonard, do you think something like this would be possible? (I just pasted this together with gimp)
17:50 cait hm ... there is no prog theme in 17.11... isn't there?
17:50 cait looking at mailing list emails
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17:51 caroline_ I have prog in my master
17:51 ashimema You'd need it in a modal to allow for multiple items I reckon caroline_
17:51 cait ah for opac
17:51 cait sorry, was not specific
17:51 caroline_ yes for opacfallback i have prog, maybe it's inherited when you upgrade?
17:52 caroline_ ashimema: I was thinking keeping the "Receive?" checkbox and unfolding the form for modifying when the checkbox is checked
17:52 caroline_ of course this is all theoretical as I am not a dev
17:54 ashimema Sounds like a nice little project caroline_ , have fun
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17:54 caroline_ hehe, I hope my colleagues are as positive as you ;)
17:56 cait :)
17:56 cait caroline_: just wondering if it really does anything still - i think we removed the prog files behind
17:57 caroline_ ah, I don't know if it does anything, but the option is there
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18:56 oleonard Bye #koha
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19:10 * andreashm waves
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19:12 caroline_ hi andreashm!
19:13 andreashm hi caroline_!
19:13 cait hi andreashm
19:13 andreashm hey cait!
19:14 * andreashm is struggling a bit with staying awke. falling asleep every time Ive put the kids to bed since coming home doesn't help. =)
19:14 andreashm awake
19:14 cait i know what you mean...
19:15 andreashm Interestingly, one of my colleagues hasn't suffered from jet-lag at all since coming back. While me and my other coworker are like zombies.
19:15 cait unfair :)
19:18 * kidclamp suggests waking up very early and going for a run :-) not the most fun, but helpful
19:19 bag we here just don’t sleep :P
19:20 andreashm that's one way of doing it.
19:32 magnuse bag: HI
19:32 bag magnuse: HI
19:32 magnuse \o/
19:33 * magnuse pokes bug 13498 with a stick
19:33 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13498 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 'email' templates used for printing slips
19:38 caroline_ any librarians around? I'm looking for the subfield order for MARC records (normally it is not necessarily alphabetical, like 245anphb)
19:50 caroline_ According to, "the order of subfields is specified by content standards, e.g., cataloging rules." But I've been looking in RDA and I can't find definite order prescriptions
19:51 andreashm magnuse: oh, that one.
19:52 andreashm caroline_: what fields are you thinking of?
19:54 caroline_ all of them (I know specifically that subject subdivisions are not vxyz), ideally I'd like a list of all the fields and their prescribed subfield order
19:56 andreashm caroline_: ouch. that I don't know.
19:57 caroline_ I think only hardcore catalogers know :/ I was hoping there was some sort of documentation regular catalogers referred to when in doubt
19:58 caroline_ in Sweden, do you use MARC21 or UNIMARC or another one?
19:58 kidclamp have a nice night all!
19:58 andreashm ?
19:58 andreashm caroline_: we use MARC21
19:59 andreashm sort of anyway
19:59 caroline_ that's where I usually look (or the canadian version but they say its prescribed in cataloguing rules, not MARC *sigh*
20:00 andreashm (small changes)
20:02 andreashm caroline_: to bad
20:02 caroline_ I'll ask around. I know I have hardcore catalogers among my clients ;)
20:03 caroline_ like really hardcore, like cataloguing is their life ;)
20:06 andreashm haha
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20:40 caroline_ good evening everyone!
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21:20 wizzyrea hi
21:22 cait hi wizzyrea :)
21:22 cait i had a phone call today - they were looking for the conference website for 2018
21:22 cait coudl we link to it directly from the website?
21:23 cait it now goes to the wiki page with the proposals and people don't spot the conference website link there
21:24 wizzyrea sure, that's fine
21:24 cait
21:26 cait i think i can't stay awake longer
21:27 cait goo dnight all :)
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