Time  Nick          Message
00:00 mtompset      However, I do like the idea of some sort of cronjob that could possibly check synchronously the validity of mobile numbers, and block accordingly.
00:04 wizzyrea      yeah, I was wondering if we even *can* know
00:04 alexbuckley   yeah
00:04 wizzyrea      where does the failure notice end up?
00:04 wizzyrea      email?
00:05 wizzyrea      some web interface with an API?
00:05 wizzyrea      who knows lol
00:06 mtompset      wizzyrea, That's the problem... I'm not sure there is a way to know.
00:55 mtompset      Actually, this is why perhaps a "verify" button might be handy.
00:55 wizzyrea      it looks like they mark as failed as the database - I'm not sure how it knows but they do fail there.
00:56 mtompset      you shouldn't be able to add a number without an intentional verify.
00:56 wizzyrea      yeah I like those lil systems that send a text with a number to verify the phone
00:56 mtompset      so, sure save the mobile number, but mark it as "unverified".
00:56 wizzyrea      i *feel* secure. it's probably not really but MY FEELINGS MATTER DAMMIT
00:58 mtompset      Give the user a way to enter a code to verify the number, and then sending to unverified numbers won't happen.
00:58 wizzyrea      (until they change SIM cards because $reasons)
00:58 wizzyrea      (phone numbers are often recycled)
00:59 mtompset      OH! They use them like toilet paper there too?
00:59 wizzyrea      yeah :)
00:59 mtompset      It was so frustrating having my Filipino friends changing their numbers so frequently.
01:00 mtompset      I've started seeing the move towards that here in Canada now, but a lot slower.
02:06 mtompset      Have a great day, #koha wizzyrea alexbuckley Joubu
06:11 calire        mornin' #koha
06:30 reiveune      hello
06:49 alex_a        bonjour
06:51 matts         hi!
07:40 fridolin      hi there
07:40 wahanui       salut, fridolin
07:40 fridolin      salut à toi ;)
07:41 calire        hi fridolin
07:41 calire        hey matts
07:41 calire        and alex_a o/
07:41 * calire      goes back to sleep
07:42 fridolin      calire: i'd like tooooo
07:43 calire        fridolin https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e3/3b/48/e33b4884593de76dbf3cc1b7c6017e51--los-simpsons-homer-simpson.jpg
07:43 fridolin      yep something like than
07:43 fridolin      :-D
07:43 calire        I am playing with jquery to keep myself awake XD
07:44 josef_moravec morning #Koha
07:45 calire        hi josef_moravec
07:45 josef_moravec hi calire
07:50 marcelr       hi #koha
07:50 josef_moravec hi marcelr
07:50 marcelr       o/
08:14 paxed         is there a list of number of attendees in each kohacon?
09:18 * andreashm   waves
09:28 calire        hi andreashm
09:28 andreashm     hey calire
09:28 andreashm     back at work?
09:29 calire        yeah D:
09:29 calire        physically at least. Maybe not mentally
09:44 andreashm     calire: haha, I know the feeling
09:46 * andreashm   is trying to understand why a hold isn't filled when the book is checked-in.
09:47 andreashm     there is a hold, it should be filled. nothing happens. I delete the hold, add it again. same thing happens. very weird, never seen that before.
09:48 andreashm     oh, and I can't recreate on our test servers. fun.
09:48 * andreashm   wants to go back to bed.
09:48 * andreashm   goes out for lunch instead
09:51 calire        :(
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11:28 ashimema      woopie
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11:34 magnuse       oleonard: no, it doesnæt look like "no holds allowed" is enough to keep a book off the "holds to pull"
11:35 oleonard      Weird.
11:35 oleonard      And hi.
11:35 calire        hi oleonard
11:35 wahanui       hi oleopard
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12:03 ashimema      odd
12:15 marcelr       git grep basketnoes ?
12:21 cait          noes?:)
12:21 marcelr       right
12:21 cait          bug 20896
12:21 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Move serial enumeration to the right of callnumber on staff detail page
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12:24 cait          @later tell mtompset thx!
12:24 huginn`       cait: The operation succeeded.
12:25 Guest752      Yippee, build fixed!
12:25 Guest752      Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #64: FIXED in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/64/
12:25 ashimema      ok.. that was another properly random one :(
12:25 ashimema      all I did we re-run the build and it worked
12:25 ashimema      hmm
12:39 marcelr       bug 21337 and bug 21336 ready to go !
12:39 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Add Koha::Patrons->delete (trivial wrapper)
12:39 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=21336 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , GDPR: Process unsubscribe requests automatically
12:40 magnuse       cait around?
12:50 magnuse       oleonard: the trouble is when you have one reference copy and one ordinary copy on the same record, and koha sees the reference one as "available for loan"
12:53 magnuse       ah, bug 13640
12:53 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13640 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds To Pull List includes items unreserveable items
12:53 magnuse       we are not alone
13:01 oleonard      👽
13:14 magnuse       :-)
13:19 oleonard      Hi caroline_
13:19 caroline_     Hi oleonard!
13:19 wahanui       hi oleopard
13:21 tcohen        hi
13:21 wahanui       bonjour, tcohen
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20656: (RM follow-up) Add missing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87dc160555ed106fb09e15d5a0eaf1e7313ff77d>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: (RM follow-up) Add missing filters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=401f19d56fdfa7133ed60661bb2492ddcbcedc30>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: DBRev 18.06.00.031 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3dda7d6c7fa683f910aeacdf89658af8ee9755cd>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 21374: Fix self registration verification <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b77697c31e9a23c85dd430d764d92143f850d76>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20656: (follow-up) Don't display title for F or FU fines (it is in description) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdfc1c08c96a06d5fe709777374aded10ff4a7ed>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Db rev for new table patron_consent and sysprefs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=177deef3b0ff5ece0f1ad074b9b9adc078048245>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add consent to self-registration process <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6eb46151626aba7da3490aac726f17d6a19d866>
13:45 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add check in get_template_and_user to enforce GDPR <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f2a0acc2d614e630deabba872a136de6e6aa349>
13:46 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add Koha object classes for patron consents <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=429ab60a0916ddda87f18f177361011d7cc2705a>
13:46 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20819: Add your consents tab to opac-user <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dac230963dd69fe7a07b13ab69512728fce9f9fd>
13:46 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20656: Better formatting for print summary <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4df6a3ef796c6e8dd002c0cc1cd4d4b2d501be34>
13:46 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 20656: Don't print lines that have no balance on print summary <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fd329724b58c34d850a5b5f162ad0c0f2428eb4>
14:15 Guest752      Project Koha_Master_D9 build #559: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/559/
14:15 ashimema      how often is schema.koha-community.org updated?
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14:34 cait          ashimema: i am not sure, but rangi can update it i think
14:34 ashimema      I kinda assumed it was scripted
14:35 ashimema      appears not.. looks like the master branch wasn't updated for a long time
14:36 barton        Joubu: you're right about sharing the imported file.
14:37 Guest752      Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #65: SUCCESS in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/65/
14:38 cait          maybe it's broken
14:41 Guest752      Yippee, build fixed!
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15:01 reiveune      bye
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15:46 Joubu         Hi #koha
15:47 Joubu         kidclamp: on 20656 you html escaped a $Price output, it should not be needed (FYI)
16:34 kidclamp      thanks Joubu
16:34 kidclamp      are you planning to add the filter check to the qa tools?
16:39 Joubu         kidclamp: I would like to avoid to duplicate the code
16:40 Joubu         maybe the QA script could run the test file from the Koha xt dir (?)
16:40 kidclamp      that would be good
16:41 kidclamp      just somethign to catch it earlier - i don't want to fail patches for it, but I also want devs to know to do it
16:41 kidclamp      (and I don't want to do it - lazy)
16:46 Joubu         I will have a look
16:54 caroline_     oleonard: can anything go into a modal?
16:55 oleonard      caroline_: It gets complicated if you want to do multi-page operations in a modal. What did you have in mind?
16:56 caroline_     a client asked to be able to change item information from the orderreceive.pl page withtout have to leave the page
16:57 caroline_     especially for the barcode as they add it upon receiving the item
16:58 caroline_     I was thinking maybe a "quick edit" option for the elements that are in the table, like click on the value to modify
16:58 Joubu         outch, that does not sound trivial :)
16:58 caroline_     no? I wouldn't know. You're all magicians as far as I know :)
16:58 oleonard      No, not trivial to do inline editing of individual fields.
16:58 oleonard      But off the top of my head that seems fairly doable in a modal. I don't want to make any promises though.
16:58 caroline_     and if we open a modal with the item form inside?
17:01 oleonard      You can use a modal in such a way that it loads just a certain element on a page, so the modal could load just the edit from from the additem page
17:02 Joubu         IIRC the item form does not edit the item, just add it
17:02 Joubu         and actually it does not insert it in the DB
17:02 Joubu         (maybe I am wrong)
17:03 oleonard      I think we're talking about items which have already been created, aren't we caroline_ ?
17:03 caroline_     yes, they are created during the order, but they want to modify on receiving
17:04 Joubu         yes, so the existing form cannot be reused
17:04 caroline_     but when we click on "edit" it's the same form no?
17:05 oleonard      Joubu: But we may be able to use additem.pl since the item already exists
17:05 caroline_     the link under the "Edit" link is this cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/additem.pl?op=edititem&biblionumber=10&itemnumber=8&popup=1#edititem and it goes directly to modify the item
17:06 oleonard      ...and that link only behaves that way if AcqCreateItem == 'ordering'
17:06 Joubu         additem.pl should not be called from an ajax request
17:07 caroline_     since their version, at least the link was changed to open in a new tab, so it's better imo
17:21 tcohen        hola
17:21 caroline_     hi tcohen!
17:21 tcohen        hola caroline_!
17:29 caroline_     Oh, I just reread their message and they want that on parcel.pl not orderreceive.pl
17:40 cait          hi oleonard :)
17:40 oleonard      Hi cait
17:40 oleonard      Surviving your jet lag I hope?
17:41 cait          kind of - i think you said hi yesterday and i just replied to that...
17:41 cait          trying to stay awake to a normal sleep time, but it's so hard
17:41 * cait        waves at Joubu and caroline_
17:41 caroline_     Hi cait!
17:41 oleonard      I accept an unlimited number of greetings at all times of day
17:44 cait          :)
17:44 cait          missing you all
17:44 caroline_     Joubu and oleonard, do you think something like this would be possible? (I just pasted this together with gimp) https://snag.gy/IEn3wr.jpg
17:50 cait          hm ... there is no prog theme in 17.11... isn't there?
17:50 cait          looking at mailing list emails
17:51 caroline_     I have prog in my master
17:51 ashimema      You'd need it in a modal to allow for multiple items I reckon caroline_
17:51 cait          ah for opac
17:51 cait          sorry, was not specific
17:51 caroline_     yes for opacfallback i have prog, maybe it's inherited when you upgrade?
17:52 caroline_     ashimema: I was thinking keeping the "Receive?" checkbox and unfolding the form for modifying when the checkbox is checked
17:52 caroline_     of course this is all theoretical as I am not a dev
17:54 ashimema      Sounds like a nice little project caroline_ , have fun
17:54 caroline_     hehe, I hope my colleagues are as positive as you ;)
17:56 cait          :)
17:56 cait          caroline_: just wondering if it really does anything still - i think we removed the prog files behind
17:57 caroline_     ah, I don't know if it does anything, but the option is there
18:56 oleonard      Bye #koha
19:10 * andreashm   waves
19:12 caroline_     hi andreashm!
19:13 andreashm     hi caroline_!
19:13 cait          hi andreashm
19:13 andreashm     hey cait!
19:14 * andreashm   is struggling a bit with staying awke. falling asleep every time Ive put the kids to bed since coming home doesn't help. =)
19:14 andreashm     awake
19:14 cait          i know what you mean...
19:15 andreashm     Interestingly, one of my colleagues hasn't suffered from jet-lag at all since coming back. While me and my other coworker are like zombies.
19:15 cait          unfair :)
19:18 * kidclamp    suggests waking up very early and going for a run :-) not the most fun, but helpful
19:19 bag           we here just don’t sleep :P
19:20 andreashm     that's one way of doing it.
19:32 magnuse       bag: HI
19:32 bag           magnuse: HI
19:32 magnuse       \o/
19:33 * magnuse     pokes bug 13498 with a stick
19:33 huginn`       Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13498 minor, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 'email' templates used for printing slips
19:38 caroline_     any librarians around? I'm looking for the subfield order for MARC records (normally it is not necessarily alphabetical, like 245anphb)
19:50 caroline_     According to http://www.loc.gov/marc/96principl.html, "the order of subfields is specified by content standards, e.g., cataloging rules." But I've been looking in RDA and I can't find definite order prescriptions
19:51 andreashm     magnuse: oh, that one.
19:52 andreashm     caroline_: what fields are you thinking of?
19:54 caroline_     all of them (I know specifically that subject subdivisions are not vxyz), ideally I'd like a list of all the fields and their prescribed subfield order
19:56 andreashm     caroline_: ouch. that I don't know.
19:57 caroline_     I think only hardcore catalogers know :/ I was hoping there was some sort of documentation regular catalogers referred to when in doubt
19:58 caroline_     in Sweden, do you use MARC21 or UNIMARC or another one?
19:58 kidclamp      have a nice night all!
19:58 andreashm     https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ ?
19:58 andreashm     caroline_: we use MARC21
19:59 andreashm     sort of anyway
19:59 caroline_     that's where I usually look (or the canadian version www.marc21.ca) but they say its prescribed in cataloguing rules, not MARC *sigh*
20:00 andreashm     (small changes)
20:02 andreashm     caroline_: to bad
20:02 caroline_     I'll ask around. I know I have hardcore catalogers among my clients ;)
20:03 caroline_     like really hardcore, like cataloguing is their life ;)
20:06 andreashm     haha
20:40 caroline_     good evening everyone!
21:20 wizzyrea      hi
21:22 cait          hi wizzyrea :)
21:22 cait          i had a phone call today - they were looking for the conference website for 2018
21:22 cait          coudl we link to it directly from the website?
21:23 cait          it now goes to the wiki page with the proposals and people don't spot the conference website link there
21:24 wizzyrea      sure, that's fine
21:24 cait          https://kohacon2018.bywatersolutions.com/
21:26 cait          i think i can't stay awake longer
21:27 cait          goo dnight all :)