IRC log for #koha, 2018-09-06

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00:16 mtompset @seen dcook
00:16 huginn` mtompset: dcook was last seen in #koha 20 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <dcook> Oh also if someone wants a super easy pretty trivial sign off: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20592
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00:55 mtompset Wow. 20 weeks. Okay, if anyone wishes to sign off bug 20592, that would be nice. :)
00:55 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20592 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , causes database errors when empty non-public item notes updated
01:12 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha.
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06:28 marcelr hi #koha
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06:33 alex_a bonjour
06:33 wahanui bidet, alex_a
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07:03 magnuse \o/
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07:08 * andreashm waves
07:17 tuxayo Hi #koha
07:18 * cait waves
07:18 tuxayo So, Fridolin, Matts and Paul are on their way to the KohaCon!
07:18 tuxayo o/ cait
07:19 tuxayo o/ andreashm
07:19 calire o/
07:19 tuxayo \o
07:20 magnuse lucky Fridolin, Matts and Paul :-)
07:30 andreashm oh, leaving early!
08:05 * cait leaves very early on Saturday
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09:53 ashimema what timezone is caroline in?
09:54 cait hm not sure, but she is in canada
09:55 ashimema thanks cait
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10:37 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #57: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/57/
10:42 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #55: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/55/
10:59 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #57: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/57/
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11:29 oleonard Hi all
11:30 AndrewIsh Hi oleonard
11:30 wahanui hi oleopard
11:31 AndrewIsh oleonard: Just an FYI, that question I was asking yesterday about the strange use of api() in KohaTable. As I mentioned, I rebased Bug 20600, that I needed to use it with, but seems that the rebase was bad, despite it appearing to work. Anyway, I've rebased it properly this time! What's on BZ should now work :)
11:31 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Provide the ability for users to filter ILL requests
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11:45 calire hi oleonard
11:45 wahanui hi oleopard
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13:30 magnuse easy peasy signoff: bug 21322
13:30 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21322 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , --type should take an argument
13:34 marcelr kidclamp: will have alook soon for 17530; thx
13:36 ashimema bug 17530
13:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17530 normal, P5 - low, ---,, Failed QA , Don't show 'article request' link when no article requests are permitted
13:41 paxed cait: /win 19
13:41 paxed oops.
13:47 cait hm?
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16:20 oleonard Wow our irma count has dropped by 83% today.
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17:10 * oleonard is away: I'm busy
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: DBRev <[…]86ed3a923b7c11bdb>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: (QA follow-up) Don't do pickup branch checking for determining holdability... <[…]767b1bfe30d3d82de>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: (RM follow-up) Fix tests and adjust after bug 15524 <[…]04618bb560d471586>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Remove numbering from chapter file names <[…]6ecdff0893d35b9df>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Disambiguate branchcode parameter, make it match between subroutines <[…]1d745fb77c7f305e3>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Fix number of tests for Holds.t <[…]899a09723709e11de>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: (QA follow-up) Add German manual and fix system preference help files <[…]25b3aa7146e19c866>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: use https instead of http <[…]9277ccfb150a5095c>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Use the language from the interface if valid <[…]63c58cea8b4fe668f>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Open the manual in a new window, not a popup <[…]40ce67facdcd43685>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Add pref KohaManualLanguage <[…]e970e95ed0f283b55>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Move code to Koha::Manual to make it testable and reusable <[…]ad38f75ae283b4a5c>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Make the location of the manual configurable - KohaManualBaseURL <[…]f7f90f00a7ca15676>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Remove local help files + edit help feature <[…]d65bd3f3b0ef8bbde>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19817: Redirect to the online manual <[…]8969e749bd13dff1a>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: (QA follow-up) Default pickup location to Yes when adding a new library <[…]328209f373d57e1bf>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Display pickup locations instead of all libraries in <[…]fc550b7bad1609e8f>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Display pickup locations instead of all libraries in <[…]746010648de3ed007>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Check hold availability to desired pickup location in <[…]19475f41baf08f6b6>
17:39 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 7534: Validate pickup location in CanBook/ItemBeReserved <[…]5b86283522cc7bfd3>
17:41 kidclamp and now I run away so jenkins has no one to yell at
17:41 * oleonard is back (gone 00:31:47)
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17:50 ashimema What's an Irma count
17:53 oleonard ashimema: The number of irmas who were logged in at one time.
17:53 oleonard The number was 6.
17:54 ashimema Lol
18:04 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #551: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/551/
18:04 oleonard Nice try jenkins kidclamp is long gone
18:10 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #39: UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/39/
18:16 ashimema Oh noes .. UNSTABLE
18:19 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #45: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/45/
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19:33 andreashm hi #koha
19:47 caroline_ Anybody know anything about LSPs? (Library Services Platform)
19:47 caroline_ Library tech. students asked me about it this morning. It is apparently the future of ILSs (?)
19:47 rangi caroline_: its a marketing term
19:47 rangi like cloud = someone elses computers
19:48 rangi LSP = whatever whoever is selling it at the time decides it is
19:48 caroline_ hehehe!
19:48 rangi you'll hear EBSCO for example talk about FOLIO as an LSP in one breath, and as an ILS in another
19:49 rangi bascially it kinda boils down to a hosted multitenant system that provides library services
19:49 caroline_ Does it have to do with discovery platforms?
19:49 rangi it could
19:49 caroline_ hosted multitenant system? In english?
19:50 rangi think of a hosted koha, on a cluster of servers
19:50 rangi that serves 5 different libraries, each separate
19:51 rangi they dont even need to know the others are there
19:51 caroline_ but just one koha?
19:51 rangi one code base
19:51 rangi multiple databases in the back (or siloed data in another way in the case of FOLIO)
19:52 caroline_ Because that's pretty much what we have here. We have maybe 4-5 servers each with 6-9 kohas running on them
19:52 rangi exactly
19:52 rangi now say you offered vufind, or eds with that
19:52 rangi you could say, its a platform
19:52 rangi but like I say, its not a real term, its a marketing one
19:53 caroline_ ok so like a solution incorporating more than one software working in concert
19:53 rangi thats one definition yep
19:53 rangi but really you can say it is whatever you feel like :)
19:54 rangi cos you know the proprietary vendors will, an LSP will be whatever they have :)
19:54 caroline_ I think this is one of the things they were referring to this morning :[…]services-platform
19:55 rangi yeah
19:55 rangi you could subsitute library system
19:55 rangi for library services platform
19:55 caroline_ ILS is too old school  ;)
19:55 rangi and it would be equally valid
19:55 rangi yep
19:56 rangi often we say Library Management System
19:56 rangi not ILS
19:56 rangi its just whoever your audience is, and what they want to hear :)
19:56 caroline_ hehe!
19:57 caroline_ But if it's the new buzzword, it's good to know it
19:57 rangi yup
20:00 andreashm I would say that LSP is a broader definition than ILS
20:00 rangi andreashm: i'd say that nothing in that broader definition actually exists yet ;)
20:01 rangi but yeah it can be whatever you want it to be, in maybe 3 more years there will be an accepted definition
20:01 andreashm pff. semantics. =)
20:01 rangi but now ive heard people say LSP when they are talking about ALMA
20:01 rangi which is fully an ILS
20:01 rangi but also LSP talking about FOLIO, which potentially could be more than an ILS
20:02 andreashm LMS I've hards used for Alma
20:02 andreashm heard
20:02 rangi once EBSCO started using LSP, Proquest started too
20:02 rangi thats how those 2 roll :)
20:02 andreashm yup
20:02 rangi but it is a good one to be aware of
20:03 caroline_ From what I'm reading here[…]services-platform it seems to refer to web-based ILS
20:03 rangi yeah which koha has been since 1999
20:03 caroline_ "The BLUEcloud LSP is the future of library software. It brings the power of contemporary cloud computing to Horizon and Symphony and avoids the costs of a system migration"
20:03 caroline_ I know! We should totally market it as an LSP
20:03 rangi but thats cos thats what sirsidynix have to offer, so thats an LSP
20:03 rangi EBSCO have FOLIO, so now thats an LSP
20:04 rangi :)
20:04 rangi marketing is fun
20:04 caroline_ Sirsi are not marketing Symphony as an LSP though
20:05 rangi afaict its symphony hosted with some other stuff
20:05 andreashm I would think you need to offer something like SaaS to make claims of a LSP. Something "in the cloud" as rangi says
20:05 rangi sirsi also say this too
20:05 rangi The BLUEcloud LSP is a truly open system, powered by Web Services that can extend almost anywhere. With this flexible architecture, vendors and customers alike can develop integrations and solutions quickly, giving you the most options for your library system.
20:06 rangi so yeah they will even co opt open to refer to proprietary software
20:06 andreashm with some other systems/modules added probably. Sirsi has Coral as the ERM for Blue cloud I think?
20:06 rangi words actually have no meaning in marketing hehehe
20:06 rangi andreashm: thats right
20:07 rangi to their credit they even funded some dev on Coral
20:07 * andreashm should put some marketing buzz-words into my presentation. claim we have an LSP perhaps?
20:07 rangi which we should hear about next week in one of the talks I think
20:07 rangi andreashm: if you have koha + something else hosted then yeah you could totally call it an LSP i reckon
20:07 andreashm rangi: yeah, Sirsi does some good stuff here and there. after all. =)
20:08 rangi now that stephen abrams is gone
20:08 andreashm rangi: we do. and even built a service layer to handle the api calls. so def an lsp. or so I'll claim! =)
20:08 rangi yup :)
20:08 caroline_ Ah! It's all this guy Marshall Breeding's fault : "I coined the term library services platform in 2011
20:08 caroline_ to describe a new set of products that were being developed that promised to take a much different approach to library resource management than the incumbent integrated library systems."
20:09 andreashm rangi: was that the dude who dissed open source?
20:09 andreashm (stephen abrams)
20:10 rangi andreashm: thats right was the VP at SirsiDynix, wrote that big whitepaper on how it was indirectly funding terrorism and other ridiculous claims
20:10 rangi was aimed more at OLE than Koha but still
20:10 andreashm yeah, that was a crazy piece of writing
20:10 * andreashm remembers it fondly
20:10 rangi heh
20:10 rangi ok, i gotta go teach a class on SQL
20:11 rangi see you in the USA in a few days
20:11 andreashm best of luck!
20:11 andreashm yup, look forward to meeting irl
20:12 cait cya in Portland, rangi
20:14 andreashm hi cait!
20:14 andreashm sent you an e-mail earlier.
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20:17 cait yep, thx!!
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