IRC log for #koha, 2018-08-14

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06:03 huginn cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Mostly Cloudy :: 64F/18C | Wind Chill: 64F/18C | Tuesday: Increasing clouds with showers arriving this afternoon. High 76F. Winds WSW at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50%. Tuesday Night: Some clouds. Low 58F. Winds light and variable.
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06:03 paxed it's not summer anymore :/
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08:13 andreashm hi #koha
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08:46 tuxayo Hi, during the upgrade of a test instance to 17.11, the deletedbiblioitems wasn't filed deletedbiblio_metadata (insert failled due to constraints) Will this afect the usability of Koha? On this instance, we don't plan to manually interact with deletedbiblio_metadata or deletedbiblio_metadata
08:46 tuxayo And the production we will fix the duplicate data that led to the error. So the real upgrade won't have this issue.
08:47 tuxayo Se the question is whether we can ignore the issue in the test instance about this two tables?
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09:06 andreashm tuxayo: we are upgrading our production server now and I can't see any issues with deletedbiblio_metadata, for whatever that is worth. so if you clean up the data that caused the issue on the testserver, I would _guess_ that the issue can be ignored.
09:06 andreashm we had an issue with a column in the borrowers table that wasn't created though
09:06 tuxayo andreashm: updatedatabase fail on the instruction populating deletedbiblio_metadata
09:08 andreashm tuxayo: working with VM's? Rollback to a backup, fix the issue and upgrade again?
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09:18 tuxayo andreashm: We have a DB dump. But it's too avoid rerunning a 1h updatedatabase + other DB operations that were done after.
09:18 tuxayo *to avoid
09:19 tuxayo andreashm: it's only a test instance and after investigating, very few code use deletedbiblio_metadata
09:19 tuxayo Only Koha/OAI/Server/
09:21 tuxayo So by change we can be ~lazy~ efficient here and just move on ^^
09:21 tuxayo (while planning to fix the duplicates in deletedbiblioitems in production)
09:28 tuxayo At least now it's documented there :)
09:28 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eletedbiblioitems
09:34 andreashm tuxayo: yay for documentation
09:39 tuxayo Hopefully such a page will be in the common namespace and be linked in the relevant places so people needing it will find it.
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09:43 ashimema oleonerd++ # diligently working through bug 13618
09:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
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11:17 * kidclamp waves
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11:57 cait oleonard++ indeed :)
11:59 cait ashimema: oleonErd? hadn't seen that one yet - also fitting ;)
11:59 ashimema lol
11:59 ashimema oops
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12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:24 kidclamp hi oleonard
12:24 calire hi oleonard
12:31 oleonard What are we doin' today?
12:32 cait oleonard: why bug 17674 back to nso?
12:32 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, Needs Signoff , Allow UI to delete serials issues in batch
12:32 ashimema singing off all the things of course oleonard
12:33 oleonard cait: I don't think the last patch ever got a signoff
12:33 oleonard cait: Or maybe dropped a signoff in rebasing? But it didn't look like it according to the history.
12:33 eythian ashimema: singing?
12:34 * ashimema can't type today :(
12:38 oleonard ashimema: But can you sing?
12:38 ashimema haha
12:39 calire oleonard: current status:[…]28974240287141888
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12:41 oleonard calire: It's amazing to look at how other countries do things and know with such certainty that they're doing it better.
12:41 calire if the library thing doesn't work out I might move to Japan and become a mascot
12:42 cait oleonard: i just trust your follow-ups too much maybe :)
12:44 * kidclamp feels like this is the one chance to talk about catchingn three shiny evees on pokemon go community day
12:44 calire kidclamp++
12:46 Joubu hi #koha
12:46 oleonard calire: You could do both! We just have to revive the old Koha mascot Blobby[…]?p=15342507495260
12:48 calire aaaw
12:48 calire I can be purple blob
12:49 cait i always forget about it :)
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21121: DBRev <[…]67faaa92baf00e7aa>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21185: Incorrect title tag on tags review page <[…]1310892282f582988>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21164: Fix alignment on new basket form in acquisitions <[…]4319ca3bffc39b78a>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21139: No table in toolbar <[…]c3e6bbe52f2373e6c>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21139: Floating toolbar - Resize toolbar on window resize <[…]87d968e071ab46b93>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21139: Floating toolbar - Remove horizontal scrollbar on resize <[…]e0a13806f68a2f515>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21139: Floating toolbars - Remove unecessary height <[…]2e4ef5307c1834a71>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20795: Inform the user about this change, add to pod <[…]8dd4b876527bd67ba>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21137: use logged_in_user from <[…]928a8e37c3486b91e>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21121: Add the IGNORE clause <[…]e5f528abb51871d82>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21137: Replace BORROWER_INFO with logged_in_user <[…]86b3bcca0e33ecc4a>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21137: Replace USER_INFO with logged_in_user <[…]ba3840a54c9953419>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21137: Standardize breadcrumbs for tags page <[…]e38ebb7aa2a36ccd1>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21112: Re-indent staff client cart template <[…]19433ba3cacbde1fd>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21121: Added new system preference to control hiding of personal patron informati... <[…]e87ae9f2ae3b7ed40>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20226: Centralize update child code (CATCODE_MULTI) <[…]fb40400b17c868786>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 20795: Pass incrreased verbosity to zebra rebuild script <[…]a86517ef40629fedc>
12:51 ashimema oh noes.. my queue just got filled up
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 18236: MARC21 - Add classes to material type on intranet detail and results pages <[…]b85b2b87cacd3ae40>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19743: Unit Tests <[…]2a7592097684b2220>
12:51 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 19743: Update header and footer on each item for checkin / checkout / renewal... <[…]d4f023d4aa54288a5>
12:52 cait that's life ;)
12:52 * oleonard cheers
12:52 cait hm I would like to bring 18723 back to attention
12:56 kidclamp bug 18273
12:56 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18273 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Bulkmarcimport inserts authority duplicates
12:56 kidclamp bug 18723
12:56 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18723 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Dot not recognized as decimal separator
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12:57 oleonard Joubu, QA: Is a "signed off" comment adequate for Bug 13618? I hereby grant it the title "Signed off."
12:57 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
12:58 ashimema oleonard++... oh noes.. now that means one of us has to QA it
12:59 caroline cait: did you get LeeJ's email? You want to chair?  I can try my hand at it
12:59 caroline At least we know he wasn't abducted by aliens ;)
12:59 cait oh reading his emai lnow sec
12:59 caroline Also, good morning everyone!
13:00 calire hi caroline
13:00 cait ugh, poor one
13:00 cait please try your hand , i will be here but my concentration is not best today
13:00 cait still can help when needed
13:00 caroline ok!
13:00 cait in an hour, right?
13:00 caroline yup
13:01 cait struggling with acq..
13:01 ashimema acq.. my favourite topic right now.. ;')
13:03 kidclamp what are you fighting cait?
13:04 cait when you set CurrencyFormat to EUR
13:04 cait you have to order with decimal dot, but you have to receive with decimal comma
13:04 cait isn't that fun? :(
13:04 cait if you enter 10.00 it will turn it into 1000
13:05 cait we really need to make progress with the solution victor was working on... or, what i would prefer right  now, fix the behaviour at least
13:05 cait to be consistent again - dot is good, enter alland everything using dot until further notice
13:08 Joubu oleonard: yes please, you can comment and change the status. Then I will add your SO-by lines on the remote branch
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13:10 Joubu cait: meeting is in 1h
13:10 Joubu (I think)
13:10 caroline Joubu: yes at 14UTC
13:11 Freddy_Enrique Good morning people
13:11 Freddy_Enrique buenos dias caroline
13:11 caroline good morning Freddy_Enrique !
13:12 Freddy_Enrique I should ask before the meeting. Is there any benefit using an IRC software than the IRC based on the web?
13:13 Joubu logs
13:13 caroline but we already have logs on the web no?
13:14 cait ping me if I forget plz :)
13:14 caroline cait: no prob
13:14 cait thx!
13:14 cait btw i voted - do i get a sticker now? :)
13:15 caroline hehehe!
13:17 caroline cait:
13:17 Joubu caroline: no idea I have never used an IRC webchat actually :)
13:18 caroline Joubu: I meant, the channel is logged and the logs are available on the web
13:18 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #539: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/539/
13:19 cait caroline: <3
13:20 cait and it's totally true
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13:21 Joubu caroline: not pm
13:21 Joubu and grep is my friend
13:21 Freddy_Enrique Cant install Pidgin in my windows 10...
13:22 Freddy_Enrique gonna try another one+
13:22 caroline Joubu: ah! you are right
13:22 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #27: UNSTABLE in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/27/
13:22 Joubu and not all IRC channels have logs ;)
13:23 * oleonard is quite loyal to Chatzilla when using Windows
13:23 Freddy_Enrique Chatzilla... let see....
13:26 Freddy_Enrique Ok... google chrome out of the question
13:26 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: If you're interested in Chatzilla, search for "standalone Chatzilla"
13:27 oleonard oleonard: I don't use the browser addon version because I don't want Chatzilla to crash when Firefox does
13:27 caroline Freddy_Enrique: I use smuxi and there seems to have one version for windows
13:28 cait fredericd: i am using pidgin - it supports more than IRC
13:28 cait so i got xmpp and some others and it's all just one app
13:28 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #27: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/27/
13:37 Joubu oleonard: quick reminder (I forgot so you may have too): bug 20226 is now pushed, with the str/ to storethe strings
13:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20226 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Get rid of CATCODE_MULTI param decision in patron perl scripts
13:43 tcohen morning
13:43 caroline Good morning!
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13:51 Joubu is down, anybody knows why?
13:51 kohaputti If anybody is interested about the Elasticsearch based SRU server: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=21210 – there's a patch now
13:51 huginn` Bug 21210: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Elasticsearch based SRU server
13:51 ashimema well they've been promising to kill it off for years Joubu
13:51 ashimema perhaps they finally got around to doing so
13:52 Joubu k
13:54 ashimema more likely it's just an intermitten failure.. I think allot of people got upset when they claimed they were discontinueing it
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14:01 caroline Everybody ready for the meeting?
14:02 cait no?:)
14:02 Joubu kidclamp: so, 3 failures on last run: 1. Reserves.t is random (I will provide a diag patch for this one), 2. XISBN - their webservice returns 500, 3 - selenium test is failing, now idea what (do not recreate here, do you?)
14:02 cait i am here
14:02 Joubu kidclamp: let's see that later ;)
14:02 caroline ok, here we go (chairing baptism here, please be patient)
14:02 caroline #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018
14:02 huginn` Meeting started Tue Aug 14 14:02:55 2018 UTC.  The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at
14:02 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:02 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018)
14:02 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_14_august_2018'
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14:03 caroline #topic Introductions
14:03 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018)
14:03 caroline (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes)
14:03 caroline Oh right, wahanui is not here
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14:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:04 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
14:04 caroline cait?
14:04 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:04 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:04 cait sorry, too easily distracted today
14:05 caroline #topic What's been done so far
14:05 Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018)
14:06 caroline So LeeJ is not here, I guess he would be more up to date as to what has been done
14:06 cait i think we have some patches waiting to be merged right now
14:06 cait like your work on homebound?
14:06 caroline I've seen that there are a couple of merge requests on gitlab
14:06 lucyvh #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe
14:06 georgew #info George Williams, NEKLS
14:07 caroline Yes, about homebound, maybe you've seen my rant on Taiga
14:07 * ashimema reminds himself whats on the taiga
14:07 cait ah, not got the email, maybe i shoudl check!
14:07 cait caroline: can you share a link maybe?
14:07 cait you can use #link for the logs
14:07 caroline one sec
14:08 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_14_August_2018 Agenda
14:08 cait logs = minutes
14:08 * ashimema finds taiga hard to navigate
14:09 caroline #link[…]ocs-1805/task/561
14:09 cait ii ttakes a little getting used to, but i like it
14:09 caroline I was thinking we could get someone who's using the module to maybe write a use case?
14:10 caroline Sorry, context:
14:10 ashimema this one:[…]ocs-1805/task/561
14:10 caroline I wrote the housebound section, but I'm having a hard time getting an idea how this would be used in real life
14:10 ashimema lucyvh: do we have any internal docs regarding housebound we can share to help caroline
14:10 cait ashimema:  you have some using it i think?
14:11 cait i think the functionality in Koha is not the issue... but as she states, how to you actually use the features for organizing the workflow
14:11 cait i think maybe reports?
14:11 cait and caroline++ :)
14:11 caroline :)
14:12 cait i am totally with you on explaining how to use things real life
14:12 ashimema I just asked one of our trainers above ^ if we have some internal docs we can share.. it's been a while since we've trained it though.. customers use it.. but not large numbers of them
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14:13 caroline do they have like procedures that they use? I could include that in the section maybe?
14:13 cait #action ashimea to see about sharing internal docs for homebound/real use case info
14:13 cait hm not sure i can action, but like that :)
14:13 ashimema yeah.. she typo'd that.. can't be me ;)
14:13 lucyvh We've probably got a training powerpoint, not any scenarios though
14:13 caroline thank you cait, I keep forgetting :)
14:14 ashimema thanks lucyvh
14:14 caroline lucyvh: can you send the ppt to me? I'll see if I can get more info out of it
14:15 lucyvh Caroline, will do
14:15 caroline thanks!
14:15 caroline #action lucyvh will send training ppt to caroline
14:16 cait :)
14:16 caroline anybody else want to share what they've done?
14:16 cait I've rewritten patron import a bit and updated it - i think it needs to be merged still
14:17 cait and i've split up another chapter on LeeJ's request
14:17 caroline yes, I'm looking at the merge requests right now
14:17 caroline #link[…]al/merge_requests
14:17 caroline I see ashimema has been active too
14:17 cait[…]ocs-1805/task/440
14:18 ashimema not all that recently.. but I am trying to set an example by submitting a docs patch along with any developments we submit of late
14:18 cait ashimema++
14:18 caroline cool! ashimema++
14:19 caroline Joubu has also been adding issues to gitlab
14:20 caroline maybe we can talk about this in the next topic
14:20 caroline #topic Workflows
14:20 Topic for #koha is now Workflows (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018)
14:21 caroline Who added the https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual to the section?
14:21 cait hm?
14:21 cait sorry, to which section?
14:21 cait I wrote some of the page
14:21 caroline There is a bullet point in the Workflow topic about Editing the manual
14:21 cait aah
14:22 caroline I'm guessing someone wanted to talk about it
14:22 cait i think it might have carried over
14:22 cait from last meetings
14:22 ashimema davidnind by the looks
14:23 cait i think it was just there when he added the page from the last one
14:23 cait but maybe a workflow question would be where to encourage people to add new issues
14:23 cait not all people have taiga accoutns
14:23 caroline I don't know if I did that since the last meeting or before, but I added a section to that wiki page about working in a local repository
14:23 cait shoudl we encourage using the issues on gitlab too or better not? we also have a keyword in bugzilla
14:23 cait and a module
14:23 cait caroline++ again for that :)
14:24 caroline I don't know if I'm being too anal, but I have a feeling we are dispersing the tasks
14:25 caroline We have a framapad too, in addition to gitlab issues and taiga
14:25 cait disperse?
14:25 ashimema mmm..
14:25 ashimema I felt that.. there's too many places this stuff lives..
14:25 cait ah yes, sorry, had to look up the word :)
14:25 cait that's my feeling too, too many entry points
14:25 ashimema It's really hard to know where to look
14:25 cait i think maybe we could kill the framapad
14:26 cait i used that before taiga was introduced
14:26 caroline Could we maybe add a footer in the manual saying that if readers see errors or something that is missing they should file a bug in bugzilla?
14:27 ashimema do you guys use the WIP flag in your merge requests
14:27 cait not sure how the footer works, but we could definitely put something in the beginning of the manual
14:27 georgew If we got rid of the framapad, I'd be in favor of caroline's suggestion about filing a bug in bugzilla
14:27 cait yes, i think that makes most sense
14:27 cait encouraging people to use bugzilla is good and registration is easy
14:28 georgew I come to these meetings mostly so I can tell the people in koh-US what's going on and one of the things I like about the Framapad is that it's easy
14:28 ashimema to date I've used it to highlight that my submission is awaiting the bug being pushed from bugzilla before it makes sense to go into the manual (adding WIP at the beggining of the merge request name prevent an early merge)
14:28 caroline on the other hand, the framapad is easy and no registration is needed
14:28 georgew But, I've never seen anyone that I've encouraged to use it actually use it.
14:28 caroline georgew: lol!
14:29 caroline do we have an email address where people who don't have bugzilla account could just send us a quick email?
14:29 cait looking at it.... we should at least clean it up
14:29 cait there is a list
14:29 cait koha-docs i think, sec
14:30 cait i didn't have power of that in the beginning, but sent LeeJ the password when handing over
14:30 cait http://lists.koha-community.or[…]istinfo/koha-docs
14:30 cait so we have admin there and it should now work as the other lists (I hope)
14:30 cait but no public archives it appears hm
14:31 cait maybe requires someone to look over the config
14:31 cait so we got: framapad, bugzilla, gitlab-issues, taiga and mailing list...
14:31 caroline Is there a default assignee for documentation bugs on bugzilla?
14:31 georgew that's too many
14:32 cait if we keep the framapad I suggest cleaning - and maybe discourage use of gitlab-issues?
14:32 georgew is there a way to connect gitlab issues and taiga?
14:32 cait i am not sure
14:33 caroline There is an integration with gitlab
14:33 * ashimema likes gtlab issues + bugzilla.. no idea what going on in taiga or framapad
14:33 ashimema[…]tlab-integration/
14:34 caroline I like taiga more than bugzilla because I find it easier to use, but maybe that's just because I use it more
14:34 caroline and also, it's prettier! :)
14:35 caroline I know you devs don't worry about pretty, but it's important! ;)
14:35 cait hehe
14:35 cait i think it could still be useful as an internal tool for core docs team
14:35 * ashimema isn't a fan of bugzilla.. but it's what the community have been using for dev for ever
14:36 caroline so we keep bugzilla for sure since it's core to koha
14:36 * ashimema likes pretty.. and functional
14:36 bag bug 14697
14:36 cait we also have the release notes there and need to refer to it, so i think it makes sense
14:36 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Extend and enhance "Claims returned" lost status
14:36 caroline we still have taiga, framapad, gitlab issues and mailing list
14:37 bag bug 20210
14:37 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jesse, NEW , Claimed Return
14:37 cait I advertised the mailing list, but if I didn't miss anything, it's not really been used
14:37 georgew I'm reading the gitlab integration and it looks like if we integrate the two, gitlab issues will get pushed to taiga
14:37 cait so maybe we can just ignore it for now
14:37 caroline I haven't seen anything in the mailing list for a while
14:37 cait or we could have it killed
14:37 georgew so if we do that, discouraging gitlab issues stops being a problem
14:38 caroline maybe ppl use the main mailing list for questions relating to the manual
14:38 cait it's low maint for us right now... so it hink keeping it is not an issue
14:38 caroline ok
14:39 caroline framapad?
14:39 cait the framapad needs someone to look at it regularly
14:39 cait that's more an issue i think
14:39 cait mail pushes into your inbox, no need to think about it (mailing list)
14:39 caroline do we know if there are any changes to framapad recently?
14:39 cait georgew: do you think registration for bugzilla would be too much of a hurdle if there was no framapad?
14:39 cait i think it has a time line
14:39 georgew no, I don't think that's a problem at all
14:39 cait we could always save a last version too
14:40 caroline I see that a lot has been added to taiga already
14:41 caroline I could go through and add the rest and then delete it
14:41 georgew the biggest barrier for end users is, when they have a problem, they don't know what to do to solve the problem - they don't know who to contact or how to contact them
14:41 cait +1
14:41 cait if you can't delete - put a big note to use bugzilla
14:41 cait :)
14:41 cait and delete from wiki
14:41 caroline that's what I think too that's why I was proposing to add a note to the manuel
14:41 caroline *manual
14:41 georgew that's why having too many avenues for contact is a bigger problem than having too few
14:42 cait so maybe just tell them: manual - make a new bug with module "Documentation"
14:42 caroline #action caroline will go through the framapad and add what needs to be added to taiga and then either close it or send ppl over to bugzilla
14:42 georgew yes.  that's simple enough
14:43 georgew for my own libraries, I just tell them to tell me
14:43 caroline we could add a section to the manual on how to file a bug for the manual XD
14:43 georgew and some of them actually do that
14:43 cait so we agree recommended point of entry is bugzilla? then we could add it as #agreed
14:43 cait caroline: +1
14:44 caroline #agreed the recommended point of entry for documentation issues is bugzilla (module Documentation)
14:44 cait #idea Add a section to the manual on how to file a bug for the manual
14:44 georgew cait: +1
14:44 caroline it was a joke but ok! :)
14:44 cait no, i like it :)
14:45 caroline gitlab issues? Joubu seems to use it more?
14:46 caroline Joubu what are the advantages of this vs the other methods?
14:46 caroline (is he still here?)
14:46 Joubu as we moved our sideprojects to gitlab it would make sense to use gitlab
14:46 Joubu given the numbers of contributors it should not be a problem anyway
14:47 cait Joubu: the contribs here are librarians
14:47 cait for filing issues
14:47 cait i think gitlab might be too scary
14:47 cait also then they need to differentiate - manual goes to gitlab, others go to bugzilla
14:48 Joubu I would just say "use whichever it better for you" :)
14:48 cait maybe as gitlab is not so much used, postpone and see?
14:48 caroline I think we agreed that bugzilla is for librarians/end users
14:48 cait yep
14:48 georgew yes
14:48 caroline the rest is more of a workflow question
14:48 caroline for us
14:49 cait i took careof the only content issueon gitlab
14:49 cait the others are for how the manual works/is generated
14:49 caroline ok good to know
14:50 cait #link[…]oha-manual/issues
14:50 caroline so we keep bugzilla for end users, taiga for us, gitlab issues for manual generation
14:50 caroline would that make sense?
14:51 cait we can try it out :)
14:51 caroline kill framapad and status quo on the mailing list
14:51 caroline #info we keep bugzilla for end users, taiga for us, gitlab issues for manual generation
14:51 caroline #info kill framapad and status quo on the mailing list
14:51 georgew sounds awesome
14:51 caroline right, anything else on this topic?
14:52 cait nope, just that i need to leave soon
14:52 caroline #topic Next steps
14:52 Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018)
14:52 caroline We'll go faster
14:52 caroline There was a discussion point about Translation?
14:52 caroline anybody want to comment?
14:53 caroline we can also keep it for next time when LeeJ and/or davidnind are here
14:54 cait i think also a standing topic
14:54 ashimema was it translation that was holding back bug 19817 in part?
14:54 cait could postpone to next meeting
14:54 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19817 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge local and online documentations
14:54 cait ashimema: it's solved
14:54 cait translations work now
14:54 caroline #info Translation discussion is postponed to next meeting
14:54 caroline #topic Set time of next meeting
14:54 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 14 August 2018)
14:54 cait #link Translated 18.05 manuals from Sphinx
14:55 cait just don't look at the German one - we didn't get very far yet
14:55 caroline There is already a general meeting on Sept 5
14:55 ashimema we need a signoff and qa on that bug.. I'm overloading myself with bugs at the minute already.. but I do feel that one should go into master sooner rather than later again
14:55 cait very true
14:56 cait bit the same for me right now :(
14:56 cait i could try and do QA
14:56 caroline #info bug 19817 need signoff and qa
14:57 cait move on?
14:57 caroline is everyone ok for a meeting sept 4? or after kohacon?
14:57 cait sept 4 would work for me
14:58 georgew september 4 is good here
14:58 caroline what time are we at in the rotation?
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14:59 caroline 14UTC is Europe and America only
14:59 * Joubu did not pay ashimema to bring attention on 19817
14:59 cait meeting before this was 21 utc
14:59 caroline we should do one where NZ is present
14:59 cait i thnk that's 7 am there
14:59 * ashimema may have had to probe Joubu to remind him of the bug number though ;)
14:59 cait but my calc might be totall yof
14:59 cait off
15:00 cait oh yes it is
15:00 cait 21 shoudlwork for nz
15:00 cait late in europe - 11pc
15:00 cait pm
15:00 caroline ok so 21UTC on sept 4?
15:00 ashimema :+1:
15:00 cait +1
15:00 georgew +1
15:01 caroline #info Next meeting: 4 september 2019, 21 UTC
15:01 caroline #endmeeting
15:01 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
15:01 huginn` Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 15:01:21 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)
15:01 huginn` Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-14-14.02.html
15:01 huginn` Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-08-14-14.02.txt
15:01 huginn` Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]14-14.02.log.html
15:01 caroline phew! thanks everyone!
15:01 cait caroline++ thx for chairing!
15:01 * cait runs off
15:01 caroline that was not stressful at all
15:02 lucyvh thx caroline
15:02 oleonard ashimema: I'm curious, have you used another open source bug tracker that you prefer over Bugzilla?
15:02 Joubu oleonard: you forget the keyword "easy to use"
15:03 ashimema it's not so much the bugtracker I don't like.. it's how unintegrated it is..
15:03 ashimema I like the review processes that are available in gitlab and github
15:03 ashimema and it could be prettier ;)
15:03 caroline :D
15:03 ashimema I'm open to suggestions.. but I think getting community to move off bugzilla would be a big battle ;)
15:03 caroline definitely!
15:09 caroline ok, I just realized that I set the next meeting to september 2019...
15:10 caroline I guess I can change it directly on the wiki?
15:11 oleonard I don't think the wiki can be changed?? Just have to wait until 2019 I guess!!
15:12 cait we could just have another then :)
15:12 cait or you can move ti, ubt not delete it i think
15:12 reiveune bye
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15:15 caroline Do you think I can start the 2019 meeting, set a next meeting for sept 2018 and end it again?
15:18 ashimema pass
15:20 Joubu caroline: I will deal with it
15:21 caroline Joubu: merci!
15:22 Joubu oleonard: Is bug 13618 signed-off finally?
15:22 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
15:22 oleonard Oh yeah I forgot to add a comment
15:27 cait nice comment .)
15:27 tuxayo ashimema: I wouldn't mind moving to GitLab for example ;)
15:27 tuxayo (for merge requests, editing comments, better review UI, one character patches doable in the web UI, tells if the merge request non longer applies)
15:29 ashimema totally agree with pretty much every point you said there tuxayo ;)
15:40 Joubu 199 files changed, 1 insertion(+), 7624 deletions(-)
15:40 Joubu ^ best patch ever
15:41 Joubu 791 files changed, 11455 insertions(+), 11113 deletions(-)
15:41 Joubu ^ worst patch ever
15:42 * ashimema guesses those are two patches that aim the achieve the same thing too?
15:43 * Freddy_Enrique starts getting white eyes
15:43 Joubu nope, first is 19817 (remove /help/*.tt), second is 13618 (add html filters to all variables in .tt)
15:43 ashimema haha.. fair enough
15:44 * ashimema grabs a stiff drink before embarking on qa'ing 13618
15:44 * tuxayo sent a long message:  <[…]scrtMxzQZqOhxscur >
15:45 ashimema haha
15:46 ashimema gitlab still has some growing pains in my opinion.. but it certainly seems to be a really good contender
15:46 Joubu tuxayo: you can vote for issues on bugzilla
15:46 ashimema biblibre have switched from gitlab to gitea if i'm remembering correctly.. I've not looked at that as an alternative myself yet
15:47 tuxayo Interesting that the whole Gnome project did the same switch two month ago. Anyway, I noted some stuff here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ugzilla_vs_GitLab
15:48 tuxayo Joubu: really? That's a good news. Where is it in the UI?
15:48 Joubu tuxayo: for the notif you can modify it in your preferences, there is a "Ignore Bugs" input (yeah that's weird I agree)
15:49 Joubu tuxayo:  Importance:
15:49 Joubu (vote)
15:49 tuxayo "Ignore Bugs" Thanks!!! <3
15:49 tuxayo Joubu++
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15:51 tuxayo ashimema: we had an old version. (still have, switch is this week ^^) We are not using much of the features that makes the difference between GitLab and Gitea.
15:51 tuxayo Issue tracking and reviews aren't done there
15:51 ashimema interesting
15:52 ashimema awesome work adding a wiki page to document the comparison
15:55 tuxayo Joubu: aside that it's not much visible, the voting system in Bugzilla is interesting. Thanks again :)
15:58 Joubu tuxayo: well the problem is that nobody uses it :)
15:58 ashimema hmm.. related issues is a gitlab paid for option only
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16:00 tuxayo Joubu: hi hi, that's what I more or less wrote in my notes ^^ https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]21741&oldid=21740
16:01 Joubu ashimema: hum, sure?[…]es/related_issues
16:01 Joubu ashimema:[…]devbox/issues/257 there is a "Related issues" entry
16:02 ashimema so there is
16:02 tuxayo Joubu: GitLab starter is non-libre right?
16:02 ashimema hmm
16:03 ashimema feels that way
16:03 ashimema gitlab-ce is what I was looking for
16:03 ashimema
16:03 tuxayo ashimema: oh this is bad. Well if it's was in the libre version, if on needs to pay on the instance, that would be fine
16:03 tuxayo (reply about related issues)
16:04 ashimema Bronze gitlab SaaS by the looks
16:05 Joubu indeed
16:07 ashimema these companies have to make money somehow.. but it is a tad annoying when something you want is missing
16:07 tuxayo If at least GitLab were trying to crowfund the migration of features to the libre version.
16:07 tuxayo With a bounty system for example. Or just setup a recurring donation system with the goal of making less and less non-libre features.
16:07 tuxayo It seems that can be attributed to the fact that they are VC funded.
16:07 tuxayo Because huge return on investment aren't compatible with the above business models :(
16:13 tuxayo ashimema: «these companies have to make money somehow» Indeed libre software should be professionalized as much as possible. (as well as other respectable stuff that too often are done has nonpaid jobs) That's what pay our rents ^^ while not having an abusable power over users.
16:13 tuxayo It feels wrong that they are not trying to parallely have more "sane" business models.
16:13 ashimema
16:13 ashimema is interesting though
16:15 * ashimema has to go cook tea for the family
16:15 tuxayo ashimema: Indeed, though that's switching to non-free software and locking oneselves to on instance of that software
16:15 tuxayo Similar to GitHub.
16:16 tuxayo cook tea?
16:16 tcohen what's the problem with gitlab?
16:16 tuxayo ashimema: anyway, you are english, that just my french nonknowing about tea ^^
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16:19 tuxayo tcohen: Their open core business model without perpectives of improvements of the said model. (linking issues not in the libre version e.g.)
16:19 tuxayo And ending up using the non-libre version could be a problem in inself.
16:20 ashimema Haha, no worries
16:20 ashimema Indeed.. all the reasons we didn't go GitHub apply at that point
16:20 ashimema Right.. I'll keep watching this conversation in the background
16:20 tuxayo It's still likely that it's be the best toolset out there, so not prohibitive I my current opinion.
16:20 tuxayo (though frustrating)
16:20 Joubu ashimema: both gitlab/k-c/koha gitlab/joubu/koha say "updating" both don't...
16:20 Joubu but*
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16:26 ashimema 😑
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16:38 oleonard What controls whether an item is removed from a patron's account when it is marked lost?
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16:39 caroline I thought marking it as lost (manually) removed it?
16:40 oleonard I have a report from a librarian that it isn't happening here. I'll have to dirty up my account some more to confirm I guess.
16:41 caroline oh noes!
16:41 oleonard Oh I guess the librarian was doing something else wrong, who knows what.
16:41 oleonard It works as expected.
16:43 Joubu MarkLostItemsAsReturned
16:44 cait oleonard: also there is a difference still - marking from item form vs. marking from item tab
16:44 cait if you mark in cataloguing it's not removed
16:44 cait will be fixed
16:44 cait with the pref
17:18 Freddy_Enrique :caroline you there?
17:19 Freddy_Enrique caroline: you there?
17:22 tuxayo bug 20136
17:22 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20136 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, In Discussion , Test Bug
17:24 tuxayo Ho, I just got two 504 Gateway Time-out on bugzilla. And it seems that I'm not the only one. (bot didn't work)
17:26 tuxayo ok, it workd now
17:26 tuxayo bug 20136
17:41 caroline Freddy_Enrique: I'm back
17:42 caroline Sorry I was out to lunch
17:42 Freddy_Enrique :) nice!
17:42 Freddy_Enrique uhm, I've managed to install Pidgin
17:42 Freddy_Enrique but I'm no quite sure how to use it
17:42 Freddy_Enrique I just wanna have this conversation using this irc client
17:43 cait have you added an account already for irc?
17:44 cait username: your user name, server: add that
17:44 cait then go to buddies > join a hcat
17:44 cait chat
17:45 cait hm or better add chat
17:45 cait select your irc account on top
17:45 cait channel #koha
17:45 cait save
17:45 cait then double click it
17:45 cait you can also check the automatically join when account connects
17:45 cait that would always catapult you right into #koha when you open pidgin
17:48 Freddy_Enrique let see...
17:48 Freddy_Enrique
17:49 cait you got the wrong server
17:49 cait we are no longer at freenode :)
17:49 cait
17:49 Freddy_Enrique uhmm.... you are right. Cause this is waht I got :
17:50 cait yeah the channel still exists :)
17:50 cait just edit your account again
17:50 cait and change the server setting
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17:52 cait hello :)
17:52 Freddy_Enrique1 Can I make the plus simbol much bigger for you? Thanks!!!
17:53 Freddy_Enrique1 cait++
17:53 cait hehe helping is fun :)
17:53 cait you can turn off/on sounds and the logging, if you look at the settings
17:53 cait not sure if logs are turned on by default
17:56 Freddy_Enrique1 Great, gonna take my time to play with this tool :)
17:56 cait if you've used add chat it will now always show koha in your buddy list
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18:00 oleonard-away If anyone is still around...
18:00 oleonard I keep getting this error, but sporadically:
18:00 oleonard Undefined subroutine &C4::Circulation::getnextacctno called at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/C4/ line 3191.
18:00 cait hm interesting
18:00 cait tcohen maybe?
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18:03 tcohen ?
18:03 tcohen ah
18:04 tcohen oleonard: bug khall about bug 15732
18:04 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15732 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove accountno column from accountlines
18:09 Joubu oleonard: do you have steps to recreate? It sounds like an export problem
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18:14 oleonard Well it's not as sporadic as I thought... I can't seem to check out without getting it
18:14 oleonard I can't help but suspect that my db is messed up somehow from the cruft of testing
18:15 Joubu fuck
18:15 Joubu they did the screenshots, in Arabic...
18:16 oleonard Shouldn't they be?
18:17 Joubu oleonard: reading the code I'd say you renew an item with a rental charge
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18:18 Joubu oleonard: yes sure, but doing it for everybody (all languages) keeping them up-to-date for every versions could have been much better ;)
18:19 caroline hm... We didn't talk about workflow with bugzilla concerning the manual... I made a merge request with changes for bug 16189 but now what do I do with the bug in bugzilla?
18:19 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16189 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add an exception to SMS via email documentation in the Koha manual
18:20 oleonard Joubu: Indeed I was checking out an item with a rental charge.
18:21 oleonard That must be what made it sporadic, different item types
18:21 ccpla Not sure if here's a good place to ask, but... anyone happen to know if there's a straightforward-ish way to filter a catalog search based on a patron's circulation history? Trying to filter for stuff they've already checked out before.
18:21 ashimema Hehe, who did screenshots in arabic
18:24 Joubu ashimema: see ML
18:24 oleonard ashimema: Someone who made a manual in Arabic ;)
18:24 Joubu ccpla: nope, but there is a "Circulation history" tab when viewing a patron's card
18:27 ccpla Ah, was afraid of that, heh. Manual checking's much more time intensive :P Thanks, though. Confirmation saves effort looking.
18:28 Joubu ccpla: note that could be implemented quite easily, adding a link to the search script with the list of biblionumbers
18:31 cait caroline: maybe just but a link to the merge request.... and resolved Moved
18:31 cait ?
18:31 Joubu oleonard: fyi I do not recreate, but let me know if you have a step by step plan to recreate the problem
18:34 ccpla Joubu: Huh. Is that something that could be done on our end? I'm just a branch worker and pretty close to code illiterate to boot, so not entirely sure if I'd have access to anything necessary to manage it.
18:35 oleonard ccpla: Never trust a developer who says something could be implemented "quite easily" ;)
18:35 Joubu nope you would need to hack the code
18:36 cait ccpla: maybe a report could fit your needs?
18:36 cait ah... sorry misread
18:36 cait not for statistics, but to recommend something they didn't already have?
18:38 ccpla Aye, that. And ah, yeah, never mind if I'm capable of it trying to mess with the code would probably cause our IT folks to skin me :P
18:38 ccpla Could try a report, though. It'd be a nice feature at some point.
18:39 ccpla Thanks for the help, folks!
18:40 Joubu ccpla: maybe the pref CheckPrevCheckout could fit your needs
18:43 Joubu ashimema: I have added 2 new patches to 13618, we have tests now
18:43 ccpla Will check, thanks
18:48 cait bye all
18:48 ashimema Awesome Joubu
18:49 Freddy_Enrique1 Bye cait
18:49 * ashimema is now done on family duties... Time to chill in front of TV .. or time to get back to QA this crazy massive bug... Hmmmm
18:49 * ashimema has 🍺..
18:50 bag beer!
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18:51 Joubu bag: too early for you!
18:51 bag 9 minutes!!!
18:52 Joubu 9 minutes before 11am :)
18:52 oleonard 🍸🍸🍸 lunch?
18:55 Freddy_Enrique1 what the.... what time is it over there Joubu?
18:57 Joubu here, 4pm :)
18:57 oleonard Everyone knows Joubu lives in Alaska! UTC -8
18:57 Joubu well yes, temperature feels like I am in Alaska
18:58 oleonard @wunder Anchorage
18:58 huginn` oleonard: Anchorage, AK :: Overcast :: 57F/14C | Tuesday: Cloudy skies with periods of rain this afternoon. High near 60F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%. Tuesday Night: Mainly cloudy. Low 51F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph.
18:59 oleonard @wunder Joubu
18:59 huginn` oleonard: Error: I could not find a valid location for: Joubu
18:59 Joubu @wunder Buenos Aires, Argentina
18:59 huginn` Joubu: Buenos Aires, Argentina :: Clear :: 63F/17C | Tuesday: Mainly clear. Lows overnight in the mid 40s. Tuesday Night: Clear skies. Low 44F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph.
19:00 Joubu really?
19:00 Joubu I should go for a walk then!
19:00 Freddy_Enrique1 my alt + 64 doesnt work in pidgit XD
19:21 Joubu oleonard: seen that already?[…]G/
19:22 oleonard No, but I have seen some other minor CSS issues which I assume are caused by the SCSS switch
19:29 oleonard Bye all
19:34 Joubu bug 21222
19:34 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21222 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Patron's creation is broken
20:13 Freddy_Enrique1 Well guys, see ya tomorrow :)
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20:28 Joubu @later tell oleonard see bug 21223 - any ideas how it could have happened? How can we fix other issues? (I am sure there are more)
20:28 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
20:28 Joubu @later tell oleopard see bug 21223 - any ideas how it could have happened? How can we fix other issues? (I am sure there are more)
20:28 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
20:28 Joubu just in case
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21:02 Joubu wahanui: whatsup?
21:02 wahanui joubu: bugger all, i dunno
21:02 Joubu :-/
21:04 caroline wahanui: had fun on your vacation?
21:04 wahanui caroline: i haven't a clue
21:04 caroline poor thing
21:05 caroline that must have been some vacation if you can't remember ;)
21:05 ashimema indeed
21:52 caroline bye y'all!
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23:02 Veronica help I do not work the reservation alerts ami mail and configure all emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced I have it in allow, thanks
23:09 Veronica help I do not work the reservation alerts ami mail and configure all emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced I have it in allow, thanks
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23:35 dj hey guys im having a bit of trouble with the rest api
23:35 dj im able to use it with no issues on my devbox which is at master but not on a koha 18.05.02 box with debian packages
23:35 dj its acting like it doesnt exist and returns 404 errors when i try to hit the endpoints
23:35 dj @tcohen you come highly recommended from @BobB for this kind of thing
23:35 huginn` dj: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
23:36 dj cheers @huginn`

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