IRC log for #koha, 2018-08-13

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04:05 paxed morning
04:05 wizzyrea hi
04:06 paxed @wunder joensuu
04:06 huginn paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Overcast :: 54F/12C | Monday: Periods of rain. Thunder possible. High 59F. Winds W at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Monday Night: Cloudy early with some clearing expected late. Low around 45F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph.
04:06 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
04:06 huginn wizzyrea: Wellington International, New Zealand :: Clear :: 55F/13C | Monday: Chance of showers. Lows overnight in the upper 40s. Monday Night: Considerable cloudiness with occasional rain showers. Low 48F. Winds NE at 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
04:06 paxed had to put on long pants for biking, first time in a several months
04:07 wizzyrea this is nice weather for winter here :)
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06:34 padraic7a Hi folks, I know about the koha dev box, but wondering if there is a more production targeted vagrant set up for cloud services like Digital Ocean or Aws?
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06:38 reiveune hello
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06:45 calire hi #koha
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07:13 tuxayo padraic7a: Maybe the Debian package is simple enough to install? (or to automate)
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08:02 padraic7a I can install the package ok. My problem when using the installation guide was after that. I though a vagrant file or ansible yaml might be clearer about what config info needs to go where.
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08:43 * andreashm waves
08:52 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #43: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/43/
08:55 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #44: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/44/
09:15 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #40: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/40/
09:15 ashimema Good way to start the week :)
09:25 AndrewIsh Anyone online who knows anything about koha-testing-docker ?
09:27 ashimema tcohen is the only one really
09:27 ashimema though I'm sure Joubu and khall have perifal knowledge too
09:27 ashimema none of those are awake yet though ;(
09:28 AndrewIsh OK
09:35 ashimema magnuse++ #quickly responding to bz normarc queries
09:35 magnuse ashimema++ for keeping an out for normarc :-)
09:36 ashimema :)
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09:48 magnuse *an eye
10:02 * cait waves
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10:04 cait ashimema++ thx for qa :)
10:04 ashimema pleasure
10:05 cait Bug 21211        - Add message details  - has no content in the bug report. .uk address, one of yours?
10:06 ashimema erm.. don't think so..
10:06 ashimema newcastle.. hmm
10:06 cait biblio-biblioitems is 1:1 - db might not enforce it, but there is no way to have multipe
10:07 ashimema fair enough.. we should really be enforcing it if it's expected
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10:09 cait magnuse: could we do normarc for xslt on a separate bug report?
10:09 cait i am afraid this might get lost if it sits longer, it's changing a lot of lines in xslt (easy, but still)
10:11 ashimema cait, shouldn't a normarc patch be simple enough to add though?
10:13 cait just pondering the timeline
10:17 ashimema looking at the UNIMARC patch, it's tiny
10:19 cait ah cool
10:19 cait so let's see if we can get an anwer from the developer :)
10:19 * ashimema isn't sure why the UNIMARC patch is soo different though if he's honest
10:19 cait magnuse: it's somehting we didn't right ever - url escaping
10:20 ashimema I'm kinda wondering if the unimarc one doesn't go far enough
10:20 cait unimarc xslt are not as complicated/big as marc21 i think
10:20 cait not the standard ones
10:20 cait i haven't tested unimarc, but had a unimarc person do it :) so can't tell
10:20 ashimema mm.. but these only change the Utils files
10:20 ashimema seems suspicious
10:21 ashimema NORMARC is closed to MARC21 than UNIMARC I believe.
10:21 ashimema s/closed/closer/
10:22 cait yes
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10:50 * andreashm does the wave and small little after-lunch dance
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11:42 magnuse ashimema, cait: normarc is mostly a subset of marc21
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11:48 oleonard Hi #koha
11:49 calire hi oleonard
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11:54 kidclamp hi oleopard
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12:49 caroline_ good morning #koha!
12:49 oleonard I caroline_
12:49 oleonard I mean hi caroline_
12:49 caroline_ oleonard: thank you for checking Pierre-Luc's bug! :)
12:49 oleonard (I'm not caroline_ )
12:50 oleonard caroline_: Sure, I hope my comments make sense and are constructive
12:51 caroline_ oleonard: he said your comment was very detailed
12:59 cait hi caroline_ :)
12:59 caroline_ hi cait !
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12:59 cait oleonard++
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13:15 oleonard Bug 10659 rebased. Just sayin'
13:15 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10659 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQuery star ratings plugin
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13:24 tcohen morning
13:24 caroline_ hi tcohen!
13:25 calire hi tcohen
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13:54 tcohen hola calire
13:55 calire o/
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14:22 Veronica send booking alerts to email in koha! what to do! .Thank you!
14:26 Veronica send booking alerts to email in koha! what to do! .Thank you!
14:29 caroline_ :O jenkins left?
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14:29 caroline_ ok phew!
14:29 eythian I tell you, the bots are going for their uprising meetup
14:30 caroline_ wahanui is still not back either
14:33 oleonard I called wahanui's mom's place and she said she hadn't seen him but I think I heard him in the background
14:33 cait wahanui still missing :(
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14:51 Freddy_Enrique Hola a todos!
14:51 Freddy_Enrique .....
14:51 caroline_ hi Freddy_Enrique!
14:52 Freddy_Enrique wait.... wasnt wahanui a bot??
14:52 Freddy_Enrique what happened to it?
14:54 oleonard Freddy_Enrique: kidclamp said something that hurt wahanui's feelings and he's been sulking for weeks now
14:56 cait not sure if liz is on vacation... we should try and catch her for a restart
14:56 Joubu kidclamp: bug 21213 will add diag to Circulation.t in order to have more info on next failures (currently we have D9 failing because of that)
14:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21213 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Circulation.t needs diagnostics
14:57 kidclamp I just gave him a botsnack, how was I to know wahanui had peanut allergies
14:59 reiveune bye
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15:00 Freddy_Enrique XD
15:01 Freddy_Enrique at least we have huginn....yet...
15:01 Joubu (kidclamp: read "Can I get a quick push pleaaaaaase?")
15:01 * oleonard pats huginn affectionately
15:02 ashimema is that right Joubu... you've increased the test plan from 14 to 21 yet I only see one 'is' test adde
15:02 * ashimema may be being thick and missing something though
15:02 Joubu apply and read ;)
15:03 Joubu it's in a sub
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15:04 ashimema ah.. I see
15:04 cait hm maybe silly question
15:04 cait PREDUE and PREDUDGST
15:04 cait i always thought PREDUE was one item per email... or is it one library per email?
15:05 cait ah nv - found an example in the db
15:05 cait it's definitely one item each
15:05 * ashimema really wishes splinter would give more context.. but of course it can't as it only has the patch to go on.
15:06 ashimema if signoff/qa is holding kidclamp back I'm happy to sign it off now ;)
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15:06 Veronica reservation alerts to the email as activate it in koha, thanks
15:07 caroline_ Veronica: you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences in system preferences
15:08 caroline_ Veronica: make sure in Tools > Notices & Slips you have a letter called HOLD
15:09 Veronica SI
15:09 caroline_ Veronica: for each patron, go to their record and activate the letter in "Patron messaging preferences"
15:09 caroline_ Am I missing somthing?
15:09 Veronica what steps should I do?
15:10 caroline_ Veronica: Did you check if the EnhancedMessagingPreferences was activated in Administration > System Preferences?
15:11 Veronica If you already activate.
15:11 caroline_ Veronica: ok, do you have an email address in KohaAdminEmailAddress?
15:12 caroline_ Veronica: now go into Administration > Patron categories
15:12 Veronica yes :)
15:13 caroline_ For each patron category, check "Hold filled" in Default messaging preferences for this patron category
15:14 caroline_ This will make sure that all new patrons will have the reservation emails
15:15 caroline_ For the patrons yu already have, you can go in the record and edit the part "Patron messaging preferences" and check the "hold filled" box
15:15 Veronica Thank you very much
15:15 caroline_ Now try to make a reservation and confirm it to make sure you receive the email
15:18 Veronica I will try to make the reservation, thank you very much
15:18 kidclamp yes, will push asap, in a meeting atm
15:18 caroline_ Veronica: no problem! :)
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15:33 Freddy_Enrique caroline++
15:38 tcohen Veronica: once you enable the EnhancedMessagingPreferencese, there might be still the need to set those for each patron
15:38 tcohen i.e. rules are configured globally, but the existing patrons don't have them chosen
15:39 cait caroline++
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16:44 cait Joubu: around?
16:48 Joubu yep
16:49 cait your comment on the accountlines bug
16:49 cait bug 21065
16:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21065 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Data in account_offsets and accountlines is deleted with the patron leaving gaps in financial reports
16:49 cait was that the suggested solution or did i miss something? :)
16:52 Joubu ho I did not see it, I thought it was the current table structure
16:52 cait ok, now more confused
16:52 cait isn't the set null only for items?
16:52 cait and on cascade for borrowernumber?
16:56 Joubu hu
16:56 cait sorry, long day already, not quite sure i make sense still
16:56 Joubu so it was the current table structure!
16:56 cait yes
16:56 cait copy then master i think
16:57 Joubu would you agree to replace the on delete cascade with a on delete set null for the borrower FK?
16:57 cait i think it would be the quickest fix
16:57 cait so yep
16:57 Joubu and what would be the best fix?
16:57 cait i can't really think of another
16:57 Joubu so the quickest it the best one and the only one
16:57 cait i think keeping the borrowernumber would be something some libraries might like... but i am not sure if that's valid
16:57 Joubu I like that
16:58 cait if you have paid your fines, that might be hard to argue for
16:58 cait right to be forgotten and all
16:59 Joubu I do not think patrons can be deleted if they have fines, at least from the interface
16:59 cait no they can't
16:59 Joubu forget that
17:02 oleonard Joubu: Looking again at Bug 13618, are you saying that it is expected to get alerts from admin/ and admin/
17:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
17:04 Joubu yes
17:04 oleonard Okay
17:04 Joubu well, it is what I am expecting, I may be wrong
17:07 oleonard I found two issues I missed before. Hopefully they won't be too complicated to address.
17:07 cait and also oleonard++
17:13 cait and actually we can talk about it normally
17:13 cait i tihnk it's just a feeling of not wanting to advertise? opac is public
17:17 cait i just thought you might enjoy it or use it hwen someone asks if they can catalog X in koha :)
17:20 tuxayo +1
17:20 tuxayo :)
17:20 Joubu We need to catalogue Koha installations then
17:20 cait hehe
17:20 Joubu or our bugs
17:20 cait marc records for hea data?
17:22 Joubu well, we would use the metadata table with json
17:23 cait :)
17:28 paxed btw, the finish koha libraries will stop using the opac (some already have done so), and use the finnish national library's finna portal
17:28 paxed derp.
17:28 paxed finnish*
18:05 oleonard Joubu: I'm having a problem with holds.js, but I'm not sure why...
18:06 oleonard TypeError: oObj.itemcallnumber is undefined (line 50)
18:09 Joubu heh
18:09 Joubu I think I closed my eyes on something with that
18:10 Joubu ha nope, I do not recreate that one
18:10 Joubu oleonard: does it happen with any items?
18:11 oleonard I'll try more examples
18:14 Joubu oleonard: I got it, biblio level holds
18:18 Joubu oleonard: follow-up pushed
18:20 oleonard Great, that fixes it for me.
18:29 oleonard See you later #koha
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18:41 caroline librarians, do you guys often have information other than the isbn in 020$a? (like "(paperback)")
18:42 caroline I'm noticing that it's screwing up the ISBN matching rules, but I'm wondering if it's just the way we do it here
18:43 Dyrcona caroline: That is normal for MARC records. Newer records should be using 020$q, at least in the USA.
18:49 caroline Dyrcona: thanks! I had seen the documentation on 020 $q, so I was wondering why that kind of information was in 020$a. Good to know that it changed
18:49 Dyrcona Yeah, the $q is relatively new.
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18:50 Dyrcona Most of our records have that extra information in the 020$a.
18:52 caroline Dyrcona: so when you import records and check for duplicates with the ISBN does it consider "ISBN (cover)" different that "ISBN" ?
18:52 caroline Is this what  AggressiveMatchOnISBN is supposed to do?
18:52 Dyrcona caroline: I actually work with Evergreen and not Koha. Evergreen has code to deal with the extra info in the subfield a.
18:53 caroline Dyrcona: ah! a lurker unmasked! ;)
18:53 Dyrcona :)
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19:27 cait i think some of koha's code can deal with it... or uses data of it
19:27 cait is that the field that also can have hte price?
19:28 cait i might just be confused
19:28 caroline cait: I think AgressiveMatchOnISBN covers that problem
19:28 cait cool :)
19:28 caroline I tried it and it seemed to find the record with stuff after the ISBN
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19:31 * andreashm waves
19:31 cait it shoudl not be too hard to strip out the isbn
19:31 caroline hi andreashm!
19:31 cait hi andreashm :)
19:31 andreashm hi caroline and cait!
20:26 cait wizzyrea: around?
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21:15 wizzyrea yep sup
21:16 wizzyrea hi cait
21:41 cait oh hey!
21:41 cait was owndering if you were the right person to ask about bringing back wahanui?
21:42 cait wizzyrea: ^
21:42 wizzyrea no, rangi is, but he's away from his desk
21:42 cait aah
21:42 cait ok
21:44 cait cool
21:46 caroline see y'all tomorrow #koha!
21:48 cait bye #koha
21:48 wizzyrea good night
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