IRC log for #koha, 2018-08-09

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01:45 wozy hi, I'm running koha 17.11 and fines wouldn't calculate
01:45 wozy I ran the script: /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/
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02:03 wozy hello
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02:13 swift101 I have a problem running can someone pleaes help out?
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03:20 swift1011 i get this error after running /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/
03:20 swift1011 unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 243.
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06:36 reiveune hello
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07:07 fridolin hie there
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08:26 andreashm hi #koha
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08:48 tuxayo Ho I just found out that version 3 of Mailman stops storing the passwords in plain text![…]s%20completely%3F
08:48 tuxayo Finally! Because that might not even be legal now with the GDPR right?
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08:54 tuxayo Koha-Pink? What is that?!
09:06 andreashm tuxayo: haha
09:06 tuxayo I watched it 3 times and I still don't get it.
09:06 * tuxayo watches a fourth time
09:08 calire babymetal are better ;)
09:22 tuxayo calire: ?
09:22 tuxayo Indeed I prefer their music and choregraphy.
09:22 tuxayo Lacks pink and Koha though.
09:22 cait bye all
09:22 calire tuxayo yes
09:25 tuxayo Ho, we made cait run away with our "interesting videos"
09:26 andreashm =)
09:54 kidclamp hi wozy, do you have finesmode set to 'calcdulate and charge'?
09:55 kidclamp oops, i was scrolled bacl
10:14 ashimema oleonard around?
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11:57 oleonard Hey gang
11:58 calire hi oleonard
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12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21141: Handle non-existent itemnumbers in batch item modification/deletion <[…]2f1df7445c6eeb4f9>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21154: Remove unused subs from C4::Serials <[…]ee07b5120a5413ca5>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21148: Dropdowns styled by the Select2 plugin do not highlight missing required... <[…]1963de1888d2ca05d>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21056: Add another flush later <[…]81f735b8494d60f42>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21132: Highlight active filters on saved report page <[…]9415057448496eb82>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21131: Remove the TinyMCE.isDirty() check that caused unexpected behaviour <[…]ead37c92eac8179b2>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19291: Make breadcrumbs for OPAC search history consistent with other patron... <[…]601666916287c8ec5>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20828: Step 4 of moremember is used for Housebound and additional attributes <[…]62ffe3efe19ccc4f8>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21050: Fix datepickers on LabelItemSearch <[…]cfde2e9be1cdcccef>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21056: Changing the logged in library can fail sporadically <[…]cbdc2fb00f66f5485>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21035: Handle new lines when running reports <[…]e329d72d065f4b1d9>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21033: Remove few warns in acqui/ <[…]39146b59fa10c3ab3>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20660: Return date override affects debarments in AddReturn <[…]36f8f4001157771b4>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20660: Test AddReturn with $return_date override <[…]9ecbd9a3adba173fd>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20779: Style refresh for patron detail page <[…]c2c3afe1b159ad5fa>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18586: Create module to mint RDF subject URIs <[…]43545fba0803e6b99>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18635: Koha::Patron->guarantees() should return results alphabetically <[…]9d88be23757df0ef5>
12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18635: Unit tests <[…]7c508c32f75b09aa1>
12:36 andreashm oh, and I was just going to ask what was happening with bug 19469.
12:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
12:36 andreashm thanks ashimema!
12:38 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #534: UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/534/
12:39 ashimema thank kidclamp, he just brought it to my attention ;)
12:39 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #24: UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/24/
12:40 andreashm kidclamp++
12:40 andreashm ashimema++
12:40 * andreashm would love to see that bug move along.
12:42 andreashm obviously. =)
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13:10 ashimema woopie.. ptfs sandboxes are finally working again
13:11 andreashm great!
13:11 * ashimema does one last test before amending the maintanence notice on the community wiki
13:14 kohaputti would having a search endpoint in the REST api make any sense?
13:15 kohaputti you could search with keyword, field, whatever and would get back json of biblionumbers where the search matched
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13:16 kohaputti And I know there is SRU already, but it doesn't work with elasticsearch
13:18 ashimema can you not just open the ES search endpoints to the public?
13:19 kohaputti ashimema, I don't know if it is good idea security wise
13:22 kohaputti also the elasticsearch query language is different from what koha users use.
13:24 eythian exposing ES to the public is a bad idea, e.g. hidden items, and people perhaps putting other things in ES alongside the biblio data.
13:24 ashimema fair enough
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13:24 ashimema so what exactly would be be suggesting with a search endpoint
13:25 kohaputti ashimema, I would like to have the same results as a patron would get when searching in OPAC
13:26 ashimema SRU is well defined, well known and supported and has a solid search syntax worked out.. I'd advocate working on a SRU module that used the ES backend
13:26 kohaputti that way I could build a separate client software for koha, search, login, reservations,...
13:26 tcohen morning
13:26 ashimema but I'm not keen to impliment yet another home grown api for it personally
13:26 kohaputti ashimema, SRU that uses ES as backend sounds nice
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13:26 ashimema is there not a plan for doing that in the long term ES plan somewhere?
13:27 ashimema all it needs is for someone to work on it ;)
13:31 kohaputti ashimema, I have not seen on wiki, should we write it down somewhere over there? (suggestions on which page are welcome)
13:32 ashimema I must have just heard it in passing somewhere.. kidclamp may know if theres more of a plan or anything to do it
13:32 ashimema or if anyone else has expressed interest yet and may work with you on it?
13:33 kidclamp yeah, we need some sort of filter to allow ES from the outside - it provides no security if you just open it (all records deleted!!!!) I don't know of any SRU plans or search endpoint, but both are good options to me
13:36 Nemo_bis ES needs some precautions to avoid privilege escalation
13:36 kohaputti so somebody has to built it, and it doesn't even have to be Koha related if I'm thinking this right (but then it would mean having a standard way of doing mapping for elasticsearch).
13:37 kohaputti Nemo_bis, you could probably have read-only replication node for elasticsearch that could be used as public endpoint
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13:42 caroline Hello #koha!
13:50 oleonard Hi caroline we are all here but working super-hard on so many things
13:50 oleonard There is steam rising off of #koha from all the working.
13:56 magnuse there was also talk about using es for searching patrons, i think
14:00 oleonard There was such talk.
14:01 eythian yeah, I remember suggesting that when first exploring ES
14:02 Joubu well, there were patches yes, bug 17500
14:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use Elasticsearch to search for patrons
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14:31 * cait waves
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14:32 magnuse Joubu++
14:32 magnuse tjänare mirkh
14:33 oleonard Has anyone here tested Bug 19532 before?
14:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P3, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha
14:33 oleonard I can't figure out how to make something "available" for recall.
14:34 magnuse there is no (easy) way to get rid of automatic left truncation for patron searches, right? (except for when you go to patrons and click on the [+])
14:34 * ashimema wonders why you'd want to get right of left truncation...
14:35 Joubu magnuse: use *
14:37 magnuse ashimema: because when you are looking for Öberg you don't want all the people called Sjöberg?
14:37 ashimema Oh.. I see
14:38 magnuse Joubu: how should i use * to not truncate?
14:40 ashimema I think my brain thought of truncation meaning something different there
14:41 ashimema I would say 'Öberg' should match 'Öberg', 'Öberg' would match 'Sjöberg' and 'Öberg' would match 'Öbergly'
14:42 magnuse ashimema: missing something in the last sentence?
14:42 ashimema i bet that's just me getting technical terms confused though right
14:43 ashimema your right..
14:43 ashimema and 'Öberg' should read 'Öberg*'
14:43 ashimema but I presume from your correcting me you understood what I was getting at
14:44 magnuse huh, is there something special about the ö?
14:44 ashimema I suppose it's 'phrase', 'word' or 'part of word' matching I'm thinking
14:44 ashimema pass
14:44 ashimema I was surprised you said searching 'Öberg' would match 'Sjöberg'
14:44 ashimema I wouldn't have expected it to..
14:45 cait i thin left truncation was needed for double names
14:45 magnuse "öberg" gives me sjöberg, but "fjord" does not give me alefjord?
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14:45 cait and maybe spanish names too?
14:45 ashimema i'd have expected you to need to search '*Öberg' for it to end up including 'Sjöberg' in the results
14:45 Joubu sorry, read the reverse, I missed "get rid of" :)
14:46 magnuse ah
14:46 magnuse cait: have you seen this with german names? for ö or ä?
14:47 magnuse i have set the collation for borrowers.surname to utf8_swedish_ci btw
14:58 magnuse forget that, now searching for "fjord" gives me "alefjord"
14:59 * magnuse is confused
15:00 cait we had no complaines
15:00 cait complains
15:00 cait complaints?
15:01 tcohen hola magnuse y cait
15:01 cait so far about the search, i haven't investigated it more closely
15:01 magnuse yeah, noone mentioned it to me before either
15:01 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
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15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20427: (RM follow-up) Add compiled CSS <[…]bb397c5a1e89bcfe2>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: (RM follow-up) Compiled css <[…]4f0affabe671993e6>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20427: (follow-up) Bring SCSS up to date with latest LESS changes <[…]8a1702164d5a3bf02>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21188: Convert return_date to a DateTime object <[…]760ac0e626f952be5>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: (follow-up) Bring scss up to date with latest CSS changes <[…]8d3750ded3dc2a518>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20427: Convert OPAC LESS to SCSS <[…]4139525d79d8c0af5>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: Convert staff client CSS to SCSS <[…]1b70c12d1c1beb0a4>
15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: (QA follow-up) Fix sass lint yaml configuration <[…]37c6686e9a04a7cfc>
15:27 tcohen wooooooo
15:27 * oleonard dies
15:28 ashimema huh
15:28 cait noooo
15:30 kidclamp noo?
15:30 ashimema we don't want oleonard to die..
15:30 ashimema we have too much still for him to do ;)
15:31 kidclamp oh, I thought you meant about the patches
15:32 oleonard Okay, yeah, I gotta stay alive to clean up whatever mess I've just inadvertently made
15:32 * oleonard is ever the optimist
15:38 tcohen do we need to add things to kohadevbox aliases for this?
15:38 tcohen we probably had this conversation already, but I'm getting old and forget things
15:38 tcohen :-P
15:39 oleonard tcohen: kohadevbox already installs node and npm, but now it needs yarn too
15:39 * ashimema dreads any bugfixes that fix CSS now.. backporting just got a whole lot more interesting
15:39 oleonard ashimema: I'd be happy to help
15:40 oleonard tcohen: LESS is gone now, so that alias and associated dependencies can go
15:40 ashimema hehe.. hopefully there won't be many that touch them.. but I will come knocking at your door should it not be obvious ;)
15:41 oleonard ashimema: Doubly okay if it's my actual door you're knocking on. Pop on by!
15:41 tcohen oleonard: point me to the wiki page explainin what is needeD?
15:41 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]staff_client_SCSS
15:42 ashimema hehe.. I'd like that
15:42 oleonard tcohen: I'll be updating that page to include information about the OPAC too
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15:42 * tcohen adds to his always growing TODO list
15:44 ashimema todolists only ever grow tcohen.. didn't you know that.. they never shrink
15:44 ashimema ;)
15:45 oleonard "I've really opened a can of worms," he thought, realizing with horror that the saying is probably horribly untranslatable.
15:53 reiveune bye
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15:57 cait oleonard: pandora's box translates a little better
15:57 cait but what are we talking about?
15:57 oleonard Hoping that my SCSS patches don't create too many problems for tcohen and kohadevbox
15:58 tcohen hehe, I will only add yarn to the tool set
15:59 tcohen oleonard:[…]devbox/issues/265
16:00 oleonard tcohen++
16:01 cait oleonard++ tcohen++
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16:16 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_and_staff_client
16:17 tcohen oleonard++
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16:17 Karen_ prevent other users from booking an item that is already booked, thanks.
16:17 Karen_ prevent other users from booking an item that is already booked, thanks
16:22 Karen_ prevent other users from booking if the registration is already booked by another, thanks
16:24 caroline Karen_: I don't think it's possible in Koha
16:24 oleonard Karen_: Prevent other users from placing a hold on an item which already has a hold on it?
16:25 caroline That's how I understood the question
16:26 oleonard If so, I agree with caroline. I don't know how you'd do that in Koha.
16:26 Karen_ Prevent other users from placing a hold on an item which already has a hold on it?Yes,Oleonard
16:26 caroline Other than prohibiting holds in the OPAC and controling each hold in the intranet to make sure there isn't another hold on it
16:26 caroline It can be labor intensive, but if there aren't that many holds, it could work
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16:34 Shane-S So...I went from 17.05 to 18.05 and I have a plain HTML view...any clues..
16:36 caroline Shane-S: Oh, yeah I had that too. Let me try to remember how I fixed it
16:36 caroline It was somthing in the conf files I think
16:37 oleonard It's the new Apache rewrite rules isn't it?
16:37 caroline yes that's it
16:37 cait i think it is
16:37 cait we agree :)
16:37 cait who is lookign for the bug?
16:38 cait > lok here for 'apache'
16:38 cait it's bug 12904
16:38 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Force browser to load new JavaScript and CSS files after upgrade
16:39 Shane-S ty
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17:08 cait @wunder Konstanz
17:09 huginn cait: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information.
17:09 cait oh no....
17:09 Shane-S is bug 12904 not pushed yet and I have to manually edit the configs...and I can't find the list of what apache configs needs the rewite rules
17:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Force browser to load new JavaScript and CSS files after upgrade
17:09 cait it has been pushed
17:10 Shane-S I literally just did the upgrade today, so might I just need to restart apache?
17:10 Shane-S I am installed from packages
17:10 cait i am not sure
17:10 cait tcohen: Joubu maybe?
17:11 Shane-S okay can't hurt to restart, so I will try that and see.
17:11 cait ok
17:11 cait keeping fingers crossed
17:11 cait if oyu haven't yet.. always also restart plack and memcache on updates, to be sure
17:11 Shane-S I am doing full server reboot
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17:13 cait hi khall and JesseM
17:13 JesseM Hi cait
17:13 kidclamp bunch a slackers
17:13 khall hi cait! tomas just let me know I've been missing from IRC ;)
17:13 cait you have been
17:13 khall my bad
17:14 cait glad to have you back :)
17:18 Shane-S *sigh* Internal Server Error...was hoping upgrade would fix this...I can find a log entry for it anywhere...
17:19 Shane-S Whenever I try and adjust a patron card size...​a/patroncards/
17:19 cait did you update to the latest 18.05?
17:20 Shane-S I am just trying to adjust a card template's margin and it just saying Internal Error, yeah 18.05.02 now
17:20 cait ah labels
17:20 Shane-S was doing it on 17.05
17:20 cait internal server errors go into the plack-error-log
17:20 Shane-S ah I was looking in apache's
17:20 cait we've had some problems with a borked printer profile
17:20 Shane-S ty
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17:21 cait if there is one linked, maybe try to remove it for a test
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17:48 Shane-S I can't find a 500 error, aren't internal server errors logged as 500?
17:48 Shane-S best I can find is a in the plack.log
17:52 cait are you looking at th eplack log?
17:53 cait plack-error-log i mean?
17:53 cait there are no html error codes, perl errors
17:53 cait look at it with tail and then trigger the error in the gui
17:54 cait @later tell could you maybe take a look at my patch on bug 20504?
17:54 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
17:55 oleonard cait: Did you just tell huginn to give that message to someone named "could" ?
18:05 tcohen Shane-S: are you running plack?
18:13 cait oleonard: i guess so...
18:13 cait thx for telling me :)
18:13 cait @later tell Joubu could you maybe take a look at my patch on bug 20504?
18:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
18:14 could Hello I'm could how do you do?
18:14 cait :P
18:14 oleonard cait: I got your message, thanks! ;)
18:15 Joubu cait: add me to the cc list please
18:16 cait DONE THX
18:16 cait done thx even
18:16 cait seems my typing is a bit off tonight
18:28 oleonard See y'all tomorrow
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19:17 caroline What would you guys suggest for an organization that needs to have authorities for publishers? Add CORPO_NAME contraint to 264$b or put the publisher in 710$a? I'm afraid if it's in 710 it will get mixed up with secondary authors
19:18 caroline Or maybe create a 790 field that would be used just for publishers?
19:18 tcohen 710 + $ePublisher?
19:18 caroline Would that be searchable though?
19:19 caroline there is a publisher index I think
19:27 tcohen caroline: making it searchable using the Publisher index would require touching some files
19:27 tcohen gimme a sec
19:27 tcohen the Publisher index gets filled with 260$b
19:28 caroline That's why I'm wondering if it would just be easier for everybody to add an authority constraint to 264$b (my Publisher index is mapped to 260$b and 264$b)
19:29 caroline Would there be downsides to that?
19:31 caroline (they are not librarians, just a small not for profit, and I told them the library police is not going to arrest them if they don't catalog *exactly* the way librarian do it :P)
19:32 cait i think 264 would mak esense
19:32 cait but don' tknow if you will get the right display, the xslt doesn't expect authorities htere
19:33 cait probably onl ygenerates a link on the text
19:33 caroline ok, I guess I can ask my team to tweak the xslt as if it was an authority
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19:52 caroline cait: do you think C4/Heading/ would hinder my efforts since 264 is not in there?
19:53 cait it might only be used when importing
19:54 cait hm
19:54 cait let's se
19:54 cait e
19:56 cait i am not sure
19:57 cait seems to be used for the linker
19:57 cait the autmatic one
20:00 caroline I don't see why we would have the possibility to choose a thesaurus in marc frameworks if it's not possible to use authorities elsewhere other than in 1XX, 6XX, 7XX and 8XX
20:01 caroline And also why we could create new authority types if they are hardcoded
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20:05 cait yeah i think it was definitely thought to allow it
20:05 cait we might have 'broken' it a little, that I can't outrule
20:10 * caroline is definitely NOT being chased by the library police for misusing authority records
20:14 cait hehe
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21:04 Joubu cait: did you find where $lang from was passed to the template?
21:04 cait hm?
21:04 cait i deleted the line wher eit was passed
21:04 cait i didn't see it in the template
21:05 Joubu -$lang = $template->param( 'lang' );
21:05 Joubu this one?
21:05 cait yeah
21:05 cait that's what i spotted first an dnoticed it fixed the html tag
21:05 cait because we have a global one called lang
21:05 Joubu it's not passed, it's set from the url params
21:06 cait it's a bit confusing to figure this out... the one in appeared to never be initialized?
21:06 cait and it showed as empty in the templates
21:06 cait does set it
21:06 cait i think
21:09 Joubu whaou
21:09 Joubu that's terribly buggy
21:09 cait that bad?
21:09 Joubu I do not think so
21:10 Joubu actually:
21:10 cait i got quite confused... that's why i wondered if you could take a look :)
21:10 Joubu $lang = $template->param( 'lang' );
21:10 Joubu should be: $lang = $input->param( 'lang' );
21:10 Joubu I guess
21:10 cait ah
21:10 cait an dthen it would actually be set right
21:10 cait ?
21:11 cait should i try?
21:11 Joubu if you replace template with input it works
21:11 cait hah
21:11 cait i will do a new patch in a bit
21:11 cait just working on something else first that's almost finished
21:11 Joubu but all that code dealing with the language in admin/*pref*.pl seems useless
21:11 cait it is a bit odd
21:12 cait i think part of the code pulls the right pref files?
21:12 cait as we use yaml there... not the usual way
21:12 cait and another mayybe to build the languages list
21:13 Joubu I think your patch is ok
21:13 Joubu but I do not understand why it fixes the issue :)
21:13 Adel Hello, I hope this is the right place to ask. I'm going to start an internship and I need to implement a library system so I'm looking this way, but are there any time estimates for setting up Koha?
21:14 caroline Adel wow that is a mighty project for an internship!
21:14 Joubu hello Adel, yes it's the place to ask, welcome :)
21:15 Joubu Are you dev or librarian?
21:15 Adel I'm a dev, they wanted me to build one but no way in hell I'm going to finish that in an internship
21:16 Adel It's a single library, not very large, they have all their records on Excel and want to modernize
21:17 Joubu cait: ok silly me, it fixes it because $template->param('lang') unset the value sent from C4::Auth, so your patch is perfect as it
21:17 cait yeah, creating a new one is not what i would recommend
21:17 cait Joubu: that's what i reckoned
21:17 cait Joubu: and it never seemed to pass the language to GetTranslatesLanguages
21:17 cait becuase it never really got the lang... but it didn't seem to break htings... because it's not using the return?
21:17 cait quite... odd
21:17 caroline Adel with my colleagues here who are devs (I'm a librarian) the minimum I've seen is 3 months, but they have been doing it for 10 years
21:18 cait it depends on the library, the data... what functionality they want to use
21:18 caroline so all the tools to convert excel files for example are already coded
21:18 cait and probably a bit on your background for the time needed to migrate date and set up the production system - lots of variables
21:19 cait Joubu: so you'd leave it as is?
21:19 Joubu cait: the bug is that call: $template->param('lang'); the other changes your patch made are just removing useless code, so it's fine to have them
21:19 Joubu yes
21:19 cait cool thx :)
21:19 cait Joubu: using a bit of vacation time for practicing problem solving...
21:20 Adel Oh snap, that's longer than I thought, the worst thing is that they want a project plan before approving the funds
21:21 cait how long is your internship?
21:21 caroline Adel: although we don't work on one project full time, so it might take you a lot less time (expecially if the team is smaller... more ppl = more time)
21:22 Adel Officially 4 months, I wouldn't be working full time either, but I'd be the only intern, although I was told I could be given more time outside the internship
21:23 cait Using Koha will require you to convert the excel data into Marc21
21:24 cait which is a library stnadard format for bibliographic data - that can be a bit tricky
21:24 cait but maybe try out one of the demos to get an idea of Koha and give it a few days to set up a installation and see how it goes for a start?
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21:24 caroline cait: the conversion would be the biggest chunk no?
21:24 caroline installation is pretty quick?
21:24 cait caroline: i guess... well if it's only a few fields maybe it could be ok
21:25 cait but with no library background marc21 has a bit of a steep learning curve i guess
21:25 cait :)
21:25 cait Adel: if you try, make sure you use the packages
21:25 cait packages?
21:25 cait ah still no wahanu
21:25 cait i
21:26 caroline he's still on the beach...
21:26 cait wizzyrea: can you restart wahanui?
21:26 Adel If entering data takes up the most of the time maybe I could get some help from the librarian.
21:26 cait how many do they have?
21:26 Adel Probably just one, it's a small library
21:26 cait ah, i meant items/books
21:26 cait :)
21:27 cait sometimes it's easier to just enter them again instead of migrating, but depends on how many and if you got the time etc
21:27 cait koha can pull data from external catalogs, so if you have isbn etc you can get nice records
21:27 Adel Oh, not sure, I actually told them I'd send them a few questions and I'd make the project plan based on that feedback, I don't want to spend too much time gathering information without getting paid for it.
21:27 caroline true
21:27 cait i'd ask them for a data sample maybe and some numbers
21:28 Adel Sounds great, could there be anything else I need to consider? :)
21:28 cait what do they want to do with the system?
21:29 caroline let me check the questions we ask our clients
21:29 cait circulation? cataloguing? OPAC? acquisitions? subscrpition management...
21:30 caroline what data they have, the format, etc. Also the patron data and how it is stored (excel/csv or other format)
21:30 Adel They said they wanted it locally but chances are they'll want OPAC for convenience.
21:31 caroline what equipment they already have vs what they will need to buy (servers, scanners, depending on what they want to do)
21:32 cait what kind of a library is it?
21:32 cait public library, company library...
21:33 Adel private library, private school, it's a single room, although I haven't entered to guesstimate the amount of books.
21:33 cait ah a school
21:33 cait cool
21:33 Adel caroline: that's really helpful, thanks :D
21:33 caroline also, for your planning, make sure you include personnalisation time
21:33 caroline they may want you to change to look of the opac of somthing like that
21:35 Joubu Adel: if you want a local install easily and hack
21:35 caroline I can't help you with computer stuff, but if you need help converting to marc or other library-specific question, don't hesitate to come looking for me here! ;)
21:36 cait Adel: where are you located?
21:36 caroline Oh yeah, also, if they have other software they want/need to be connected to koha (like a student database or something like that)
21:37 Adel I'm in Mexico, so I'd need to install Koha in spanish
21:37 cait spanish is no problem
21:38 cait make sure you install the language before you run the web installer
21:38 cait because then you get the sample data installed in spanish too
21:38 cait package commands for htis are here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ANET_staff_client
21:39 Adel caroline: I doubt it, they said they had zero systems in place, they'll probably want to log the who borrows the books at least, without user management.
21:41 caroline They might have to manage users with koha even if its just to log issues and returns, but it can be kept at a minimum.
21:42 Adel You mean staff?
21:43 caroline staff and students (if they want to issue and return books through koha, students have to have a user file)
21:43 caroline But it can be only their name and an id
21:44 caroline I guess they could lend all the books to the same user if they REALLY don't want to manage patron files
21:45 caroline At least just to know which books are borrowed and which are not
21:46 Adel Got it
21:48 caroline cait: I think I found the problem with linking an authority to 264$b... I can't specify to copy the authority info in the b subfield... It goes directly to 264$a -_-
21:49 caroline unless maybe if I only write in my b subfield in my authority... seems so counter intuitive
21:50 Adel I think that's all I needed to know, thanks to everyone for the help, I'll forward my questions to the school and check on what cait suggested while I wait for the feedback. (:
21:50 caroline Good luck Adel !
21:51 cait good luck :)
21:51 cait caroline: hmpf
21:51 cait about the authority
21:52 cait found an older thread on the mailing list - maybe there is something useful in there[…]March/047450.html
21:55 cait hm the same problem, but no solution
21:57 caroline hm, i tried filling in only the $b in my authority record and it worked, it copied in the 264$b field. BUT, if I search for my authority (in Authorities module) I have to search the entire record since there is no $a
21:57 caroline I guess it's not the end of the world... I'll have to test more to see if it causes other problems
22:00 cait hm yeah, i see no way to change hte mapping for the copy action :(
22:00 cait like copy a to b
22:00 caroline cait: re: the mailing list, yeah I'm thinking maybe of putting a 710 or 71X field for the publisher, I just want it to be easy for them since they're not librarians
22:01 cait yep
22:01 caroline they are sooooo excited to have their collection in koha though! It is fun to watch the star in their eyes when they see ll the possibilities :D
22:02 cait :)
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22:12 cait interesting how things start to work once you start editing the correct files...
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22:15 caroline Argh Zebra... You're the worst...
22:16 cait in this case editing template files in the wrong koha repo :)
22:16 caroline I think I better go, see y'all tomorrow!
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