Time Nick Message 01:45 wozy hi, I'm running koha 17.11 and fines wouldn't calculate 01:45 wozy I ran the script: /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl 02:03 wozy hello 02:13 swift101 I have a problem running fine.pl can someone pleaes help out? 03:20 swift1011 i get this error after running /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/fines.pl 03:20 swift1011 unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 243. 06:36 reiveune hello 07:07 fridolin hie there 08:26 andreashm hi #koha 08:48 tuxayo Ho I just found out that version 3 of Mailman stops storing the passwords in plain text! https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20turn%20off%20passwords%20completely%3F 08:48 tuxayo Finally! Because that might not even be legal now with the GDPR right? 08:54 tuxayo Koha-Pink? What is that?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABtfre94Xj0 09:06 andreashm tuxayo: haha 09:06 tuxayo I watched it 3 times and I still don't get it. 09:06 * tuxayo watches a fourth time 09:08 calire babymetal are better ;) 09:22 tuxayo calire: ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY 09:22 tuxayo Indeed I prefer their music and choregraphy. 09:22 tuxayo Lacks pink and Koha though. 09:22 cait bye all 09:22 calire tuxayo yes 09:25 tuxayo Ho, we made cait run away with our "interesting videos" 09:26 andreashm =) 09:54 kidclamp hi wozy, do you have finesmode set to 'calcdulate and charge'? 09:55 kidclamp oops, i was scrolled bacl 10:14 ashimema oleonard around? 10:47 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #38: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/38/ 10:53 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #35: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/35/ 11:10 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #39: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/39/ 11:57 oleonard Hey gang 11:58 calire hi oleonard 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21141: Handle non-existent itemnumbers in batch item modification/deletion <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8e29d3140007b9b92d97ed2f1df7445c6eeb4f9> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21154: Remove unused subs from C4::Serials <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=948566e7f36a75a186f96b5ee07b5120a5413ca5> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21148: Dropdowns styled by the Select2 plugin do not highlight missing required... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=62aacb5865719e27224bf8f1963de1888d2ca05d> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21056: Add another flush later <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5abcd3312adc02a14465a0781f735b8494d60f42> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21132: Highlight active filters on saved report page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b43cab3dd4fb34e4c3a1509415057448496eb82> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21131: Remove the TinyMCE.isDirty() check that caused unexpected behaviour <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4cf075fbea353a5cbf11aaead37c92eac8179b2> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19291: Make breadcrumbs for OPAC search history consistent with other patron... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff3987c023a658e63e46ea8601666916287c8ec5> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20828: Step 4 of moremember is used for Housebound and additional attributes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d4c7350612dfb941a84a0e62ffe3efe19ccc4f8> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21050: Fix datepickers on LabelItemSearch <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e7fd122147bafcd2b66c1ecfde2e9be1cdcccef> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21056: Changing the logged in library can fail sporadically <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=76a06a7050643add32f4cbccbdc2fb00f66f5485> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21035: Handle new lines when running reports <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f16fb888f132703063f0591e329d72d065f4b1d9> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21033: Remove few warns in acqui/basket.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=af82a1d59709d02b767613539146b59fa10c3ab3> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20660: Return date override affects debarments in AddReturn <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf9527457fb31012b65514a36f8f4001157771b4> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20660: Test AddReturn with $return_date override <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d9eb9734f2584c7b5f92689ecbd9a3adba173fd> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20779: Style refresh for patron detail page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5260482a619fa5aa88e83a8c2c3afe1b159ad5fa> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18586: Create module to mint RDF subject URIs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=537c30984fcd1cf3dc2efef43545fba0803e6b99> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18635: Koha::Patron->guarantees() should return results alphabetically <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe6cb85c5580b582a0047769d88be23757df0ef5> 12:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18635: Unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac0f3b880a4220317ddde107c508c32f75b09aa1> 12:36 andreashm oh, and I was just going to ask what was happening with bug 19469. 12:36 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype 12:36 andreashm thanks ashimema! 12:38 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #534: UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/534/ 12:39 ashimema thank kidclamp, he just brought it to my attention ;) 12:39 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #24: UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/24/ 12:40 andreashm kidclamp++ 12:40 andreashm ashimema++ 12:40 * andreashm would love to see that bug move along. 12:42 andreashm obviously. =) 12:50 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #24: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/24/ 13:10 ashimema woopie.. ptfs sandboxes are finally working again 13:11 andreashm great! 13:11 * ashimema does one last test before amending the maintanence notice on the community wiki 13:14 kohaputti would having a search endpoint in the REST api make any sense? 13:15 kohaputti you could search with keyword, field, whatever and would get back json of biblionumbers where the search matched 13:16 kohaputti And I know there is SRU already, but it doesn't work with elasticsearch 13:18 ashimema can you not just open the ES search endpoints to the public? 13:19 kohaputti ashimema, I don't know if it is good idea security wise 13:22 kohaputti also the elasticsearch query language is different from what koha users use. 13:24 eythian exposing ES to the public is a bad idea, e.g. hidden items, and people perhaps putting other things in ES alongside the biblio data. 13:24 ashimema fair enough 13:24 ashimema so what exactly would be be suggesting with a search endpoint 13:25 kohaputti ashimema, I would like to have the same results as a patron would get when searching in OPAC 13:26 ashimema SRU is well defined, well known and supported and has a solid search syntax worked out.. I'd advocate working on a SRU module that used the ES backend 13:26 kohaputti that way I could build a separate client software for koha, search, login, reservations,... 13:26 tcohen morning 13:26 ashimema but I'm not keen to impliment yet another home grown api for it personally 13:26 kohaputti ashimema, SRU that uses ES as backend sounds nice 13:26 ashimema is there not a plan for doing that in the long term ES plan somewhere? 13:27 ashimema all it needs is for someone to work on it ;) 13:31 kohaputti ashimema, I have not seen on wiki, should we write it down somewhere over there? (suggestions on which page are welcome) 13:32 ashimema I must have just heard it in passing somewhere.. kidclamp may know if theres more of a plan or anything to do it 13:32 ashimema or if anyone else has expressed interest yet and may work with you on it? 13:33 kidclamp yeah, we need some sort of filter to allow ES from the outside - it provides no security if you just open it (all records deleted!!!!) I don't know of any SRU plans or search endpoint, but both are good options to me 13:36 Nemo_bis ES needs some precautions to avoid privilege escalation 13:36 kohaputti so somebody has to built it, and it doesn't even have to be Koha related if I'm thinking this right (but then it would mean having a standard way of doing mapping for elasticsearch). 13:37 kohaputti Nemo_bis, you could probably have read-only replication node for elasticsearch that could be used as public endpoint 13:42 caroline Hello #koha! 13:50 oleonard Hi caroline we are all here but working super-hard on so many things 13:50 oleonard There is steam rising off of #koha from all the working. 13:56 magnuse there was also talk about using es for searching patrons, i think 14:00 oleonard There was such talk. 14:01 eythian yeah, I remember suggesting that when first exploring ES 14:02 Joubu well, there were patches yes, bug 17500 14:02 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Use Elasticsearch to search for patrons 14:31 * cait waves 14:32 magnuse Joubu++ 14:32 magnuse tjänare mirkh 14:33 oleonard Has anyone here tested Bug 19532 before? 14:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P3, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha 14:33 oleonard I can't figure out how to make something "available" for recall. 14:34 magnuse there is no (easy) way to get rid of automatic left truncation for patron searches, right? (except for when you go to patrons and click on the [+]) 14:34 * ashimema wonders why you'd want to get right of left truncation... 14:35 Joubu magnuse: use * 14:37 magnuse ashimema: because when you are looking for Öberg you don't want all the people called Sjöberg? 14:37 ashimema Oh.. I see 14:38 magnuse Joubu: how should i use * to not truncate? 14:40 ashimema I think my brain thought of truncation meaning something different there 14:41 ashimema I would say 'Öberg' should match 'Öberg', 'Öberg' would match 'Sjöberg' and 'Öberg' would match 'Öbergly' 14:42 magnuse ashimema: missing something in the last sentence? 14:42 ashimema i bet that's just me getting technical terms confused though right 14:43 ashimema your right.. 14:43 ashimema and 'Öberg' should read 'Öberg*' 14:43 ashimema but I presume from your correcting me you understood what I was getting at 14:44 magnuse huh, is there something special about the ö? 14:44 ashimema I suppose it's 'phrase', 'word' or 'part of word' matching I'm thinking 14:44 ashimema pass 14:44 ashimema I was surprised you said searching 'Öberg' would match 'Sjöberg' 14:44 ashimema I wouldn't have expected it to.. 14:45 cait i thin left truncation was needed for double names 14:45 magnuse "öberg" gives me sjöberg, but "fjord" does not give me alefjord? 14:45 cait and maybe spanish names too? 14:45 ashimema i'd have expected you to need to search '*Öberg' for it to end up including 'Sjöberg' in the results 14:45 Joubu sorry, read the reverse, I missed "get rid of" :) 14:46 magnuse ah 14:46 magnuse cait: have you seen this with german names? for ö or ä? 14:47 magnuse i have set the collation for borrowers.surname to utf8_swedish_ci btw 14:58 magnuse forget that, now searching for "fjord" gives me "alefjord" 14:59 * magnuse is confused 15:00 cait we had no complaines 15:00 cait complains 15:00 cait complaints? 15:01 tcohen hola magnuse y cait 15:01 cait so far about the search, i haven't investigated it more closely 15:01 magnuse yeah, noone mentioned it to me before either 15:01 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20427: (RM follow-up) Add compiled CSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7223370be6a056fea17a77bb397c5a1e89bcfe2> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: (RM follow-up) Compiled css <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=574bc788ab23e554c05742a4f0affabe671993e6> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20427: (follow-up) Bring SCSS up to date with latest LESS changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e90b452bdd16b426e13e5108a1702164d5a3bf02> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 21188: Convert return_date to a DateTime object <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d035a140b51be6f2dad8f5f760ac0e626f952be5> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: (follow-up) Bring scss up to date with latest CSS changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b6dfd86ace90a5d56e7e9a8d3750ded3dc2a518> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20427: Convert OPAC LESS to SCSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2df87a94f5bcd538799b8684139525d79d8c0af5> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: Convert staff client CSS to SCSS <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b35c97a841bd2a8a199dc81b70c12d1c1beb0a4> 15:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19474: (QA follow-up) Fix sass lint yaml configuration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=894571c36398dd6e5eb79b237c6686e9a04a7cfc> 15:27 tcohen wooooooo 15:27 * oleonard dies 15:28 ashimema huh 15:28 cait noooo 15:30 kidclamp noo? 15:30 ashimema we don't want oleonard to die.. 15:30 ashimema we have too much still for him to do ;) 15:31 kidclamp oh, I thought you meant about the patches 15:32 oleonard Okay, yeah, I gotta stay alive to clean up whatever mess I've just inadvertently made 15:32 * oleonard is ever the optimist 15:38 tcohen do we need to add things to kohadevbox aliases for this? 15:38 tcohen we probably had this conversation already, but I'm getting old and forget things 15:38 tcohen :-P 15:39 oleonard tcohen: kohadevbox already installs node and npm, but now it needs yarn too 15:39 * ashimema dreads any bugfixes that fix CSS now.. backporting just got a whole lot more interesting 15:39 oleonard ashimema: I'd be happy to help 15:40 oleonard tcohen: LESS is gone now, so that alias and associated dependencies can go 15:40 ashimema hehe.. hopefully there won't be many that touch them.. but I will come knocking at your door should it not be obvious ;) 15:41 oleonard ashimema: Doubly okay if it's my actual door you're knocking on. Pop on by! 15:41 tcohen oleonard: point me to the wiki page explainin what is needeD? 15:41 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_staff_client_SCSS 15:42 ashimema hehe.. I'd like that 15:42 oleonard tcohen: I'll be updating that page to include information about the OPAC too 15:42 * tcohen adds to his always growing TODO list 15:44 ashimema todolists only ever grow tcohen.. didn't you know that.. they never shrink 15:44 ashimema ;) 15:45 oleonard "I've really opened a can of worms," he thought, realizing with horror that the saying is probably horribly untranslatable. 15:53 reiveune bye 15:54 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #535: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/535/ 15:54 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/25/ 15:57 cait oleonard: pandora's box translates a little better 15:57 cait but what are we talking about? 15:57 oleonard Hoping that my SCSS patches don't create too many problems for tcohen and kohadevbox 15:58 tcohen hehe, I will only add yarn to the tool set 15:59 tcohen oleonard: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/kohadevbox/issues/265 16:00 oleonard tcohen++ 16:01 cait oleonard++ tcohen++ 16:03 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/25/ 16:16 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Working_with_SCSS_in_the_OPAC_and_staff_client 16:17 tcohen oleonard++ 16:17 Karen_ prevent other users from booking an item that is already booked, thanks. 16:17 Karen_ prevent other users from booking an item that is already booked, thanks 16:22 Karen_ prevent other users from booking if the registration is already booked by another, thanks 16:24 caroline Karen_: I don't think it's possible in Koha 16:24 oleonard Karen_: Prevent other users from placing a hold on an item which already has a hold on it? 16:25 caroline That's how I understood the question 16:26 oleonard If so, I agree with caroline. I don't know how you'd do that in Koha. 16:26 Karen_ Prevent other users from placing a hold on an item which already has a hold on it?Yes,Oleonard 16:26 caroline Other than prohibiting holds in the OPAC and controling each hold in the intranet to make sure there isn't another hold on it 16:26 caroline It can be labor intensive, but if there aren't that many holds, it could work 16:33 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #39: SUCCESS in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D8/39/ 16:33 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #40: SUCCESS in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_D9/40/ 16:34 Shane-S So...I went from 17.05 to 18.05 and I have a plain HTML view...any clues.. http://library.npelem.com 16:36 caroline Shane-S: Oh, yeah I had that too. Let me try to remember how I fixed it 16:36 caroline It was somthing in the conf files I think 16:37 oleonard It's the new Apache rewrite rules isn't it? 16:37 caroline yes that's it 16:37 cait i think it is 16:37 cait we agree :) 16:37 cait who is lookign for the bug? 16:38 cait https://koha-community.org/koha-18-05-released/ > lok here for 'apache' 16:38 cait it's bug 12904 16:38 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Force browser to load new JavaScript and CSS files after upgrade 16:39 Shane-S ty 16:52 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #36: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_18.05_U18/36/ 17:08 cait @wunder Konstanz 17:09 huginn cait: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information. 17:09 cait oh no.... 17:09 Shane-S is bug 12904 not pushed yet and I have to manually edit the configs...and I can't find the list of what apache configs needs the rewite rules 17:09 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED FIXED, Force browser to load new JavaScript and CSS files after upgrade 17:09 cait it has been pushed 17:10 Shane-S I literally just did the upgrade today, so might I just need to restart apache? 17:10 Shane-S I am installed from packages 17:10 cait i am not sure 17:10 cait tcohen: Joubu maybe? 17:11 Shane-S okay can't hurt to restart, so I will try that and see. 17:11 cait ok 17:11 cait keeping fingers crossed 17:11 cait if oyu haven't yet.. always also restart plack and memcache on updates, to be sure 17:11 Shane-S I am doing full server reboot 17:13 cait hi khall and JesseM 17:13 JesseM Hi cait 17:13 kidclamp bunch a slackers 17:13 khall hi cait! tomas just let me know I've been missing from IRC ;) 17:13 cait you have been 17:13 khall my bad 17:14 cait glad to have you back :) 17:18 Shane-S *sigh* Internal Server Error...was hoping upgrade would fix this...I can find a log entry for it anywhere... 17:19 Shane-S Whenever I try and adjust a patron card size... ibstaff.npelem.com/cgi-bin/koha/patroncards/edit-template.pl 17:19 cait did you update to the latest 18.05? 17:20 Shane-S I am just trying to adjust a card template's margin and it just saying Internal Error, yeah 18.05.02 now 17:20 cait ah labels 17:20 Shane-S was doing it on 17.05 17:20 cait internal server errors go into the plack-error-log 17:20 Shane-S ah I was looking in apache's 17:20 cait we've had some problems with a borked printer profile 17:20 Shane-S ty 17:21 cait if there is one linked, maybe try to remove it for a test 17:48 Shane-S I can't find a 500 error, aren't internal server errors logged as 500? 17:48 Shane-S best I can find is a 404.pl in the plack.log 17:52 cait are you looking at th eplack log? 17:53 cait plack-error-log i mean? 17:53 cait there are no html error codes, perl errors 17:53 cait look at it with tail and then trigger the error in the gui 17:54 cait @later tell could you maybe take a look at my patch on bug 20504? 17:54 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 17:55 oleonard cait: Did you just tell huginn to give that message to someone named "could" ? 18:05 tcohen Shane-S: are you running plack? 18:13 cait oleonard: i guess so... 18:13 cait thx for telling me :) 18:13 cait @later tell Joubu could you maybe take a look at my patch on bug 20504? 18:13 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 18:14 could Hello I'm could how do you do? 18:14 cait :P 18:14 oleonard cait: I got your message, thanks! ;) 18:15 Joubu cait: add me to the cc list please 18:16 cait DONE THX 18:16 cait done thx even 18:16 cait seems my typing is a bit off tonight 18:28 oleonard See y'all tomorrow 19:17 caroline What would you guys suggest for an organization that needs to have authorities for publishers? Add CORPO_NAME contraint to 264$b or put the publisher in 710$a? I'm afraid if it's in 710 it will get mixed up with secondary authors 19:18 caroline Or maybe create a 790 field that would be used just for publishers? 19:18 tcohen 710 + $ePublisher? 19:18 caroline Would that be searchable though? 19:19 caroline there is a publisher index I think 19:27 tcohen caroline: making it searchable using the Publisher index would require touching some files 19:27 tcohen gimme a sec 19:27 tcohen the Publisher index gets filled with 260$b 19:28 caroline That's why I'm wondering if it would just be easier for everybody to add an authority constraint to 264$b (my Publisher index is mapped to 260$b and 264$b) 19:29 caroline Would there be downsides to that? 19:31 caroline (they are not librarians, just a small not for profit, and I told them the library police is not going to arrest them if they don't catalog *exactly* the way librarian do it :P) 19:32 cait i think 264 would mak esense 19:32 cait but don' tknow if you will get the right display, the xslt doesn't expect authorities htere 19:33 cait probably onl ygenerates a link on the text 19:33 caroline ok, I guess I can ask my team to tweak the xslt as if it was an authority 19:52 caroline cait: do you think C4/Heading/MARC21.pm would hinder my efforts since 264 is not in there? 19:53 cait it might only be used when importing 19:54 cait hm 19:54 cait let's se 19:54 cait e 19:56 cait i am not sure 19:57 cait seems to be used for the linker 19:57 cait the autmatic one 20:00 caroline I don't see why we would have the possibility to choose a thesaurus in marc frameworks if it's not possible to use authorities elsewhere other than in 1XX, 6XX, 7XX and 8XX 20:01 caroline And also why we could create new authority types if they are hardcoded 20:05 cait yeah i think it was definitely thought to allow it 20:05 cait we might have 'broken' it a little, that I can't outrule 20:10 * caroline is definitely NOT being chased by the library police for misusing authority records 20:14 cait hehe 21:04 Joubu cait: did you find where $lang from preferences.pl was passed to the template? 21:04 cait hm? 21:04 cait i deleted the line wher eit was passed 21:04 cait i didn't see it in the template 21:05 Joubu -$lang = $template->param( 'lang' ); 21:05 Joubu this one? 21:05 cait yeah 21:05 cait that's what i spotted first an dnoticed it fixed the html tag 21:05 cait because we have a global one called lang 21:05 Joubu it's not passed, it's set from the url params 21:06 cait it's a bit confusing to figure this out... the one in preferences.pl appeared to never be initialized? 21:06 cait and it showed as empty in the templates 21:06 cait systempreferences.pl does set it 21:06 cait i think 21:09 Joubu whaou 21:09 Joubu that's terribly buggy 21:09 cait that bad? 21:09 Joubu I do not think so 21:10 Joubu actually: 21:10 cait i got quite confused... that's why i wondered if you could take a look :) 21:10 Joubu $lang = $template->param( 'lang' ); 21:10 Joubu should be: $lang = $input->param( 'lang' ); 21:10 Joubu I guess 21:10 cait ah 21:10 cait an dthen it would actually be set right 21:10 cait ? 21:11 cait should i try? 21:11 Joubu if you replace template with input it works 21:11 cait hah 21:11 cait i will do a new patch in a bit 21:11 cait just working on something else first that's almost finished 21:11 Joubu but all that code dealing with the language in admin/*pref*.pl seems useless 21:11 cait it is a bit odd 21:12 cait i think part of the code pulls the right pref files? 21:12 cait as we use yaml there... not the usual way 21:12 cait and another mayybe to build the languages list 21:13 Joubu I think your patch is ok 21:13 Joubu but I do not understand why it fixes the issue :) 21:13 Adel Hello, I hope this is the right place to ask. I'm going to start an internship and I need to implement a library system so I'm looking this way, but are there any time estimates for setting up Koha? 21:14 caroline Adel wow that is a mighty project for an internship! 21:14 Joubu hello Adel, yes it's the place to ask, welcome :) 21:15 Joubu Are you dev or librarian? 21:15 Adel I'm a dev, they wanted me to build one but no way in hell I'm going to finish that in an internship 21:16 Adel It's a single library, not very large, they have all their records on Excel and want to modernize 21:17 Joubu cait: ok silly me, it fixes it because $template->param('lang') unset the value sent from C4::Auth, so your patch is perfect as it 21:17 cait yeah, creating a new one is not what i would recommend 21:17 cait Joubu: that's what i reckoned 21:17 cait Joubu: and it never seemed to pass the language to GetTranslatesLanguages 21:17 cait becuase it never really got the lang... but it didn't seem to break htings... because it's not using the return? 21:17 cait quite... odd 21:17 caroline Adel with my colleagues here who are devs (I'm a librarian) the minimum I've seen is 3 months, but they have been doing it for 10 years 21:18 cait it depends on the library, the data... what functionality they want to use 21:18 caroline so all the tools to convert excel files for example are already coded 21:18 cait and probably a bit on your background for the time needed to migrate date and set up the production system - lots of variables 21:19 cait Joubu: so you'd leave it as is? 21:19 Joubu cait: the bug is that call: $template->param('lang'); the other changes your patch made are just removing useless code, so it's fine to have them 21:19 Joubu yes 21:19 cait cool thx :) 21:19 cait Joubu: using a bit of vacation time for practicing problem solving... 21:20 Adel Oh snap, that's longer than I thought, the worst thing is that they want a project plan before approving the funds 21:21 cait how long is your internship? 21:21 caroline Adel: although we don't work on one project full time, so it might take you a lot less time (expecially if the team is smaller... more ppl = more time) 21:22 Adel Officially 4 months, I wouldn't be working full time either, but I'd be the only intern, although I was told I could be given more time outside the internship 21:23 cait Using Koha will require you to convert the excel data into Marc21 21:24 cait which is a library stnadard format for bibliographic data - that can be a bit tricky 21:24 cait but maybe try out one of the demos to get an idea of Koha and give it a few days to set up a installation and see how it goes for a start? 21:24 caroline cait: the conversion would be the biggest chunk no? 21:24 caroline installation is pretty quick? 21:24 cait caroline: i guess... well if it's only a few fields maybe it could be ok 21:25 cait but with no library background marc21 has a bit of a steep learning curve i guess 21:25 cait :) 21:25 cait Adel: if you try, make sure you use the packages 21:25 cait packages? 21:25 cait ah still no wahanu 21:25 cait i 21:26 caroline he's still on the beach... 21:26 cait wizzyrea: can you restart wahanui? 21:26 Adel If entering data takes up the most of the time maybe I could get some help from the librarian. 21:26 cait how many do they have? 21:26 Adel Probably just one, it's a small library 21:26 cait ah, i meant items/books 21:26 cait :) 21:27 cait sometimes it's easier to just enter them again instead of migrating, but depends on how many and if you got the time etc 21:27 cait koha can pull data from external catalogs, so if you have isbn etc you can get nice records 21:27 Adel Oh, not sure, I actually told them I'd send them a few questions and I'd make the project plan based on that feedback, I don't want to spend too much time gathering information without getting paid for it. 21:27 caroline true 21:27 cait i'd ask them for a data sample maybe and some numbers 21:28 Adel Sounds great, could there be anything else I need to consider? :) 21:28 cait what do they want to do with the system? 21:29 caroline let me check the questions we ask our clients 21:29 cait circulation? cataloguing? OPAC? acquisitions? subscrpition management... 21:30 caroline what data they have, the format, etc. Also the patron data and how it is stored (excel/csv or other format) 21:30 Adel They said they wanted it locally but chances are they'll want OPAC for convenience. 21:31 caroline what equipment they already have vs what they will need to buy (servers, scanners, depending on what they want to do) 21:32 cait what kind of a library is it? 21:32 cait public library, company library... 21:33 Adel private library, private school, it's a single room, although I haven't entered to guesstimate the amount of books. 21:33 cait ah a school 21:33 cait cool 21:33 Adel caroline: that's really helpful, thanks :D 21:33 caroline also, for your planning, make sure you include personnalisation time 21:33 caroline they may want you to change to look of the opac of somthing like that 21:35 Joubu Adel: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaDevBox if you want a local install easily and hack 21:35 caroline I can't help you with computer stuff, but if you need help converting to marc or other library-specific question, don't hesitate to come looking for me here! ;) 21:36 cait Adel: where are you located? 21:36 caroline Oh yeah, also, if they have other software they want/need to be connected to koha (like a student database or something like that) 21:37 Adel I'm in Mexico, so I'd need to install Koha in spanish 21:37 cait spanish is no problem 21:38 cait make sure you install the language before you run the web installer 21:38 cait because then you get the sample data installed in spanish too 21:38 cait package commands for htis are here: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client 21:39 Adel caroline: I doubt it, they said they had zero systems in place, they'll probably want to log the who borrows the books at least, without user management. 21:41 caroline They might have to manage users with koha even if its just to log issues and returns, but it can be kept at a minimum. 21:42 Adel You mean staff? 21:43 caroline staff and students (if they want to issue and return books through koha, students have to have a user file) 21:43 caroline But it can be only their name and an id 21:44 caroline I guess they could lend all the books to the same user if they REALLY don't want to manage patron files 21:45 caroline At least just to know which books are borrowed and which are not 21:46 Adel Got it 21:48 caroline cait: I think I found the problem with linking an authority to 264$b... I can't specify to copy the authority info in the b subfield... It goes directly to 264$a -_- 21:49 caroline unless maybe if I only write in my b subfield in my authority... seems so counter intuitive 21:50 Adel I think that's all I needed to know, thanks to everyone for the help, I'll forward my questions to the school and check on what cait suggested while I wait for the feedback. (: 21:50 caroline Good luck Adel ! 21:51 cait good luck :) 21:51 cait caroline: hmpf 21:51 cait about the authority 21:52 cait found an older thread on the mailing list - maybe there is something useful in there https://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2017-March/047450.html 21:55 cait hm the same problem, but no solution 21:57 caroline hm, i tried filling in only the $b in my authority record and it worked, it copied in the 264$b field. BUT, if I search for my authority (in Authorities module) I have to search the entire record since there is no $a 21:57 caroline I guess it's not the end of the world... I'll have to test more to see if it causes other problems 22:00 cait hm yeah, i see no way to change hte mapping for the copy action :( 22:00 cait like copy a to b 22:00 caroline cait: re: the mailing list, yeah I'm thinking maybe of putting a 710 or 71X field for the publisher, I just want it to be easy for them since they're not librarians 22:01 cait yep 22:01 caroline they are sooooo excited to have their collection in koha though! It is fun to watch the star in their eyes when they see ll the possibilities :D 22:02 cait :) 22:12 cait interesting how things start to work once you start editing the correct files... 22:15 caroline Argh Zebra... You're the worst... 22:16 cait in this case editing template files in the wrong koha repo :) 22:16 caroline I think I better go, see y'all tomorrow!