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waves |
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marcelr |
o/ |
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marcelr |
cait++ # old_issues |
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cait |
marcelr: not sure i deserve that... it feels like whatever we do, things are not going to be unproblematic |
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cait |
but safest bet for me now seems, stop the renumbering, use the mysql fix |
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cait |
and maybe provide a script to clean up data |
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marcelr |
yeah, its ugly stuff |
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cait |
renumber and set PKs once correctly and then leave it to mysql again |
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cait |
i'd appreciate someone looking at my finding and commenting |
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cait |
i will probably push the release a few days to get this sorted |
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marcelr |
Joubu will certainly do :) |
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cait |
yeah, but I think we put our brain power into it, fresh input would be good |
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cait |
it's not a 2 person problem ;) |
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rsantellan |
good morning #koha |
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waves |
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hi #koha |
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waves |
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cait: hiiiiiiiiiiii |
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cait |
:) |
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waves at jzairo too |
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jzairo |
morning :) |
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LeeJ |
morning jzairo |
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jzairo |
hi LeeJ! |
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LeeJ |
cait: going to try to test out kohadocs in terminal to see how far I can push it..mostly to see if I can automate the process of the gitlab ssh key |
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Joubu |
hi #koha |
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LeeJ |
hi Joubu |
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Joubu |
cait, fridolin: I would suggest you to postpone the next release until we have a solution for bug 18651, and ask for help on koha-devel |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18651 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Move of checkouts is still not correctly handled |
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Joubu |
I did all what I could |
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cait |
Joubu++ i know, sorry |
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cait |
LeeJ: sounds good - i have seen there are also tools to open up merge requests from command line |
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cait |
that might be interesting along the road too |
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cait |
not native gitlab feature, but there are some external programs which seem able to do that, didn't get to try it out |
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LeeJ |
cait: do you have a link or remember where you found those? |
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cait |
yeah... but on the other laptop :( let me do a quick search |
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LeeJ |
cait: it's okay...I can search! Just thought I'd check :) |
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cait |
https://github.com/gitlabhq/gi[…]ests.md#create-mr |
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cait |
there was one tht seemed kinda easy |
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cait |
looking if i can spot that quickly |
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cait |
this is the api doc i think |
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cait |
and I think i was looking at this one to test: https://github.com/vishwanatharondekar/gitlab-cli |
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Joubu |
cait: I am not going to send an email to koha-devel to ask for help. I am asking for help/test/feedback for 2 months now and it did not get the expected attention |
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cait |
Joubu: i will |
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cait |
there has been opened another bug today too |
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cait |
18963 |
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cait |
I was not able yet to figure out how it happens |
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Joubu |
It's intolerable to have a *blocker* that affect stable releases waiting for 2 months |
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fridolin |
Joubu: we may revert on stable branches ? |
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cait |
it's similar to the other email the other week |
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cait |
bug 18963 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Check In Issue |
| 13:11 |
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cait |
i think the problem is picking the best solution as there is now way to have a complete fix right now |
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cait |
atm i'd favor pushing for the mysqlfix- I have heard rangi tested it? hope to test it too, but fridolin, maybe you could take a look as well? |
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fridolin |
Joubu: ah heu no I'm wrong, its about the issues > old_issues |
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fridolin |
indeed release can wait |
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cait |
Joubu: what what the lock trying to fix? |
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cait |
i think renumbering was implemented with 18242, but without accountlines? is that right? |
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cait |
i am still trying to understand the code better |
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cait |
tcohen_: another volunteer! |
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fridolin |
i did not look very close, not sure i can take the time |
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fridolin |
but i'll try |
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tcohen_ |
morning |
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cait |
as Joubu said |
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cait |
it's a circulation blocker |
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Joubu |
fridolin: when you will have 50 customers crying because they cannot checkin, I am sure you will find time |
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cait |
look at bug 18963 and the email thread i linked... this is seriously damaging us |
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cait |
we need to make time for this |
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Joubu |
cait: basically, the safe way is: |
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1. Start a transaction |
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fridolin |
Bug 18242 fixes a case that is realy not usual i'd say |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18242 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Move of checkouts to old_issues is not handled correctly |
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Joubu |
2. LOCK the table # To make sure nobody will read id and avoid race conditions |
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Joubu |
3. Move the content from one table to the other, dealing with ids |
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4. UNLOCK the table |
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5. Commit # end of transaction |
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Joubu |
this is the only way (I know) to avoid race condition and data lost |
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tcohen |
pfiu |
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Joubu |
the problem is that the lock/unlock cause problem with dbix: you have to name the table you are going to LOCK |
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Joubu |
but DBIC uses aliases (me) for tables, and MySQL does not like that |
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Joubu |
see 905572910b3af03d86fdbd3e52c72614f41c978b in master |
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marcelr |
poor dbix bug? |
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cait |
the problem is ee is that that the check-in is rejected |
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cait |
I assume, while the table is locked |
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cait |
so the locking seems problematic - especially since we were trying so hard to speed things up in circ |
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cait |
as I wrote, I am also worried what would happen at the self check |
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tcohen |
we shouldn't lock, because it, well, locks inserts |
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cait |
batch checkin is pretty fast... |
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cait |
yeah |
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tcohen |
MySQL doesn't have row level locking |
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Joubu |
People (all of you) HAVE TO test and confirm the fix at DBMS startup fixes the issue |
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cait |
yep |
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tcohen |
true |
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cait |
and then we have to propagate that |
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Joubu |
in the next few days |
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cait |
and could possible build back the code and remove 18424 - it hink that's the problem maker now for the bug reports we see |
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cait |
but so far... suspicion |
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Joubu |
then I can provide a fix (2 actually, 1 for master/17.05 and 16.11) to handle the error correctly |
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Joubu |
but if it is not done quickly, somebody else will have to do it |
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cait |
can we outline how we expect the fix to be? |
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cait |
i made some tests last night reverting 18242 - looked ok in the first tests |
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marcelr |
the idea to get back at the old ids in sync does not sound too bad; and if a id would collide, make a choice (pick new one)? |
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cait |
i think we either revert htat or need to make the 'renumbering process' set the PK correctly |
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cait |
otherwise the problem moves on to all following issues |
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marcelr |
the renumbering stuff did not work out |
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cait |
atm i am quite suspicious of it, but i can't prove it causing the problems in 18963 and on the mailing list |
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Joubu |
cait: it's ok reverting 18242? |
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Joubu |
what do you mean? |
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cait |
it worked cleanly at least |
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Joubu |
then I did all this stuff for nothing |
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cait |
but what happens is that if you have a dobule up, the old-issues move fails silently |
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cait |
the good side is... that after that it's over. with the renumbering, the PK are never fixed |
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marcelr |
that problem is not as big as what we have now? |
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cait |
issues keeps producing numbers that are alredy in old_issues |
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cait |
if I have no big thinking error there |
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cait |
yeah, that was my thinking marcelr |
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cait |
it might be tolerable |
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cait |
because the real fix is merging the tables |
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cait |
and that's nothing we can do for stable releases |
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Joubu |
cait: without 18242 you should notice data lost |
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cait |
i know |
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cait |
i just wonder if it's the lesser evil |
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cait |
given we will also publish the mysql based fix |
| 13:27 |
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cait |
and maybe we could throw a script together that renumbers existing duplicate issue_ids and sets the PKs correctly |
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marcelr |
we could run this in cleanup_database too |
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cait |
clean up and prevention |
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cait |
at the source |
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marcelr |
each day or week |
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Joubu |
to me it's the worst, you cannot recover it |
| 13:28 |
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Joubu |
see bug 18931 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18931 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add a "data corrupted" section on the about page |
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Joubu |
so, what next? |
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marcelr |
write a patch and i qa it tomorrow :) |
| 13:29 |
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Joubu |
nope |
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cait |
yeah but it also happens for reserves |
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cait |
items |
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cait |
everything else |
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wahanui |
it has been said that everything else is just extras |
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cait |
i feel like we tried to repair it, but it's a dead end (again because of mysql not supporting the kind of locking we'd need) |
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marcelr |
joubu: file locking ? |
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Joubu |
my plan was: People (all of you) HAVE TO test and confirm the fix at DBMS startup fixes the issue, in the next few days. Then I can provide a fix (2 actually, 1 for master/17.05 and 16.11) to handle the error correctly. But if it is not done quickly, somebody else will have to do it |
| 13:30 |
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cait |
Joubu has said he can't write it right now |
| 13:31 |
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cait |
i can push the release another week... |
| 13:31 |
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cait |
but i would not like to wait much longer, just because we really need to fix this |
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cait |
pushing the release shoudl not be an endless excuse, we need to motor |
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cait |
seriously, is someone going to test the mysql based fix now? |
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oleonard |
well I'm failing at fixing all the broken things I'm trying to fix today, so maybe I can successfully test something. |
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oleonard |
Sorry I haven't been paying attention. What's the bug number? |
| 13:50 |
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marcelr |
cait: although the fix looks kind of silly, it should probably work |
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marcelr |
oleonard: it is the dbms fix on the wiki somewhere |
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oleonard |
I see it. |
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oleonard |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]uto_increment_fix |
| 13:51 |
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marcelr |
yes |
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cait |
oleonard: check out books, check them in - restart mysql |
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cait |
check out a book again, notice that a low issue_id is generated in issues (that already exists in old_issues) |
| 13:52 |
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cait |
appply the fix, do some testing again, it should not happen reset the PK again in issues |
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cait |
and try for other tables too i think, like reserves |
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cait |
Joubu: what's with items, deleteditems etc? |
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cait |
shoudl we also add that to the mysql fix? |
| 13:54 |
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Joubu |
If I forgot it, yes |
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Joubu |
I forgot it indeed |
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oleonard |
"Localize the [mysqld] section" Does that mean "Locate?" |
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Joubu |
means "search for the [mysqld] section" |
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Joubu |
/mysqld |
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fridolin |
see u |
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oleonard |
Joubu: In testing the mysql fix I have still gotten a re-used biblionumber in the process |
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cait |
a newly catalogued one after mysql restart? |
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oleonard |
Yes. Is there a way to confirm that the fix has been correctly applied? Perhaps I messed it up. |
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cait |
we are trying now too, maybe can say more in a bit |
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Joubu |
cait: bug 18966 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level |
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Joubu |
@later tell cait bug 18966 |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
and all devs ^ |
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thd |
pianohacker: are you present? |
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rangi |
@later tell Joubu the mysql fix works for me, the mysql fix and removing 18242 gets back a usable system |
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huginn |
rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
rangi: thanks! Seen bug 18966? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level |
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Joubu |
the idea is to revert all the sh**, keep the transaction to avoid data lost, then display a warning and link to the wiki page if the dup ID happens |
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rangi |
reading now |
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rangi |
yes, thats exactly the way I would do it too |
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rangi |
ill try to get a signoff on it |
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rangi |
but im the only one in the office today, so might not be able to |
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cait |
what happens with the issue, did we figure that out yet? |
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cait |
just trying to catch up |
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rangi |
i care way way way less about fixing old stuff |
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rangi |
than stopping it getting worse |
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rangi |
id rather stop it getting worse (most people in the world have still not upgraded) |
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rangi |
and then worry about fixing duplicates |
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cait |
rangi: i meant if a duplicate already is there - we have to do something to get it checked-in |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
yes |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
but lets worry about that on a different bug |
| 20:20 |
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cait |
and of course, prevent it from happenign is the best way |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
and stop it happening first |
| 20:20 |
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cait |
but we already have some libraries asking on how to deal with it once it's happened |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
yes, and I dont care |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
:) |
| 20:20 |
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cait |
hm |
| 20:20 |
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rangi |
as much as I care about stopping it for 10k other libraries |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
it can be a different bug |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
heh |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
fixing duplicate ids |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
lets not make this fix take even longer |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
i think we want the same thing, suspect we are misunderstanding each other |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
will go back to read the bugs |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
but making it do something like try and fix old duplicates |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
which is error pronbe |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
nah |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
that's not what i meant |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
lets just stop it making them |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
just you need to be possible to get it off the patron account |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
yes |
| 20:21 |
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cait |
even if we put some sql somewhere or so |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
different bug |
| 20:21 |
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rangi |
not this one |
| 20:22 |
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cait |
k |
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rangi |
dont hold this one up, because of that |
| 20:22 |
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cait |
was more thinking of putting it on the wiki page for now |
| 20:22 |
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cait |
that can happen independently |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
thats fine, but dont let it take time away from fixing this ;) |
| 20:22 |
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rangi |
perfect is the enemy of good |
| 20:22 |
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cait |
heh |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
i have spent a good time of this day trying to find out a way of this mess... |
| 20:23 |
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cait |
Joubu++ |
| 20:23 |
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rangi |
Joubu++ |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
did you see it even has a data problems bit? |
| 20:24 |
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Joubu |
now that we have a proper fix, so we will not need to do it at code level |
| 20:24 |
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rangi |
yeah |
| 20:25 |
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Joubu |
I think summarize what has been done (badly), what have to be done (now) and what will be done, later |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
sounds good to me |
| 20:25 |
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Joubu |
the TODO LATER part will be to fix the broken DBs |
| 20:25 |
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rangi |
*nod* |
| 20:25 |
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Joubu |
mysql-- |
| 20:27 |
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cait |
yeah |
| 20:27 |
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cait |
can postgres do this right? or even mariadb? |
| 20:27 |
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cait |
doesn't help us... just wondering |
| 20:27 |
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Joubu |
mariadb behaves like mysql, no idea for postgres |
| 20:27 |
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rangi |
mariadb could, but we run it like it was mysql |
| 20:28 |
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rangi |
its to do with innodb tables |
| 20:28 |
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rangi |
not the db itself |
| 20:28 |
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rangi |
if that makes sense |
| 20:28 |
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rangi |
if those tables were still old myisam |
| 20:28 |
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rangi |
it wouldnt have happened either |
| 20:29 |
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cait |
ah |
| 20:29 |
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cait |
thx |
| 20:29 |
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rangi |
(we'd have other problems instead :)) |
| 20:30 |
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cait |
yeah, just trying to learn... it's horrible, so it least try to learn something heh |
| 20:30 |
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rangi |
but yeah it is the innodb behaviour to forget its increment |
| 20:31 |
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rangi |
i dunno if xtradb does (innodb in mariadb does this too) |
| 20:31 |
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rangi |
but yeah that was going to be my last suggestion, if the config fix didnt work |
| 20:31 |
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rangi |
we change the table type |
| 20:34 |
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Joubu |
rangi: I think the wording on the about page will need to be adjusted ;) |
| 20:34 |
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rangi |
:) |
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cait |
will catch up with the patches in a bit - have to pack first, but keep going! :) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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bag |
bug 18966 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18966 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move of checkouts - Deal with duplicate IDs at DBMS level |
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* Freddy_Enrique |
vows to everyone |
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* cait |
waves |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Nice to mmet you all :). New in this forum |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Well, i ve got one question... I think I registered to the general email list |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I sent one question a couple of weeks ago, and nothing happened |
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Freddy_Enrique |
any insights? |
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Joubu |
Hi Freddy_Enrique |
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Joubu |
what was the question? |
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Freddy_Enrique |
Up until now I've been installing koha using my VM ip |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I dont really understand the second method |
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Freddy_Enrique |
I heard that the IP should be used for test purposes, but the other one for production |
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Joubu |
Freddy_Enrique: I have to leave, I do not see the question on the ML, I see one topic "OPAC CUSTOMIZATION" from May |
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Joubu |
please resent if you do not get an answer here |
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Freddy_Enrique |
yeah!!! that was my question |
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Freddy_Enrique |
sure |
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