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* LeeJ |
waves |
| 02:01 |
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rangi |
hey LeeJ, thanks for all your work with the manual |
| 02:01 |
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LeeJ |
rangi it's been my pleasure! |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]docs/authors.html <-- you're on the leaders board now, that number will jump a bit when new stats get run |
| 02:02 |
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LeeJ |
rangi is there something wrong with the koha-community git? I can't seem to do a git fetch... |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
i think its just overloaded |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
its a bit underpowered |
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rangi |
and people sometimes run scripts against it etf |
| 02:02 |
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rangi |
etc even |
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rangi |
lemme see if i can login and look |
| 02:03 |
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LeeJ |
thank you! I'm getting the error message "Cannot obtain needed blob" |
| 02:03 |
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rangi |
oh interesting |
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wahanui |
i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
the server looks ok |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
02:05:51 up 91 days, 15:42, 1 user, load average: 0.63, 0.55, 0.50 |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
git fetch worked for me |
| 02:04 |
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LeeJ |
well that's unusual.. |
| 02:04 |
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rangi |
ahhh |
| 02:05 |
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rangi |
apparently you can get that error after one has been interupted |
| 02:05 |
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aleisha |
i did a git fetch earlier today and it took super long but still worked |
| 02:05 |
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aleisha |
took maybe 10-15 minutes |
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aleisha |
i went and got lunch in that time |
| 02:05 |
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LeeJ |
ooh |
| 02:05 |
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rangi |
you could try a |
| 02:05 |
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LeeJ |
would a reset origin/master fix the issue? |
| 02:05 |
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rangi |
git fsck |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
https://git-scm.com/docs/git-fsck |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
or a git gc |
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wahanui |
a git gc is fine |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
https://git-scm.com/docs/git-gc |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
id go with the fsck first |
| 02:06 |
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rangi |
that hopefully will fix it up and then you can fetch again |
| 02:07 |
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LeeJ |
hmm..I'll give it a try |
| 02:07 |
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LeeJ |
I thought it was my devbox so I ended up provisioning the devbox and it still returned the error |
| 02:07 |
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LeeJ |
will try now :) |
| 02:09 |
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* LeeJ |
presses Play on the Jeopardy theme song |
| 02:09 |
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LeeJ |
this is going to take a while... |
| 02:09 |
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LeeJ |
rangi: though the git fsck appears to be working for the moment |
| 02:09 |
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rangi |
cool :) |
| 02:10 |
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LeeJ |
I appreciate the assistance from such a legend :) haha |
| 02:14 |
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LeeJ |
by the way aleisha I would like to thank you for that notes for rules patch of yours...was super excited because our library has some goofy circ rules and that makes it easier to remember :) |
| 02:16 |
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aleisha |
woohoo, thanks! |
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LeeJ |
oh booo |
| 02:18 |
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LeeJ |
rangi fsck didn't fix the problem..trying gc now |
| 02:19 |
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aleisha |
if you find that gc also doesn't work, try the top answer from this https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]rrupted-git-fetch |
| 02:20 |
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LeeJ |
aleisha that link is gold :D |
| 02:20 |
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LeeJ |
gc is processing now so fingers crossed |
| 02:21 |
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LeeJ |
that sad moment when you're bored and want to do some dev work but everything breaks |
| 02:21 |
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LeeJ |
well that's different.. |
| 02:22 |
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LeeJ |
got the error "fatal: sha1 file '.git/objects/pack/tmp_pack_BxopVG' write error: No space left on device" |
| 02:22 |
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LeeJ |
going to try that link now.. |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
ah ha |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
thats probably the problem |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
do a df |
| 02:23 |
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rangi |
? |
| 02:24 |
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rangi |
i've been meaning to do a merge request to up the disk size for the devbox |
| 02:24 |
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LeeJ |
I actually think the link aleisha provided has the solution..going to try that first |
| 02:25 |
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rangi |
cool |
| 02:29 |
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LeeJ |
I think that stackoverflow link is working! :D |
| 02:29 |
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LeeJ |
:( |
| 02:29 |
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LeeJ |
spoke too soon |
| 02:30 |
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LeeJ |
guess I'll just reset devbox..thank you both for the help :) |
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LeeJ |
so one last question..I hear everyone saying to use SYNC_REPO..besides not having to clone the repo each time you spin up a box, is there some other benfit to it that no one mentions? |
| 02:46 |
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rangi |
you can work with whatever editor you like |
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rangi |
on your main box |
| 02:46 |
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rangi |
and changes show in your devbox |
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rangi |
so if you wanted to use and IDE or something say |
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rangi |
and=an |
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LeeJ |
ooooooh |
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LeeJ |
welp...guess I know what I'll be trying to set up tonight :) |
| 02:50 |
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LeeJ |
thank you very much for your help rangi :) |
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LeeJ |
rangi++ |
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LeeJ |
oh! can't forget aleisha++ for the help :) |
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LeeJ |
have a great night you two! |
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aleisha |
:) you too |
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morning #koha |
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reiveune |
hello |
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fridolin |
hie tehre |
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fridolin |
salut les gens |
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PatrickD |
Hi I posted the question already on the list but didn't get the expected answer: is anybody aware of a integration of koha with ERM SAP? Or is anybody already working on this? |
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magnuse |
hm, are there problems with the structure of tables "club_enrollments" and consequently "club_enrollment_fields"? |
| 11:13 |
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magnuse |
when i try to create the first one i get "ERROR 1067 (42000): Invalid default value for 'date_created'" |
| 11:13 |
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magnuse |
and the second one gives "ERROR 1215 (HY000): Cannot add foreign key constraint" because the first one failed (as far as i can tell) |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
someone else reported this recently |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
having trouble to install koha 17.05 on mint/mariadb |
| 11:14 |
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cait |
interesting that you run into it too |
| 11:16 |
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magnuse |
looks like the problem is the default value provided in "date_created timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT '0000-00-00 00:00:00'," |
| 11:16 |
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magnuse |
does it even make sense to give a default value for a timestamp? |
| 11:20 |
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magnuse |
yeah, guess it does |
| 11:20 |
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magnuse |
this works: |
| 11:20 |
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magnuse |
date_created timestamp NOT NULL DEFAULT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, |
| 11:20 |
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cait |
can you make a patch? i will find the bug report |
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cait |
is this on mariadb? |
| 11:20 |
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magnuse |
no, mysql |
| 11:20 |
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cait |
5.7? |
| 11:20 |
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wahanui |
5.7 is not working |
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magnuse |
5.7.18-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 |
| 11:21 |
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cait |
you know you are not supposed to use that, right? |
| 11:21 |
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magnuse |
heh, guess not |
| 11:22 |
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magnuse |
this is the gitified install on my laptop, which i normally do not use |
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cait |
18836 |
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magnuse |
if it works with the given default in other versions i won't bother doing anything about it, i think? |
| 11:22 |
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magnuse |
bug 18836 |
| 11:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18836 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron login is erroring out after failing to find table |
| 11:23 |
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cait |
changing the title now |
| 11:23 |
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cait |
could you comment with your info? |
| 11:26 |
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magnuse |
it works in kohadevbox, with mysql 5.5 |
| 11:26 |
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magnuse |
will add a comment |
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oleonard |
Yo |
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magnuse |
yo yo yo, oleonard in da house! |
| 11:44 |
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magnuse |
time to get the party started! |
| 11:45 |
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oleonard |
No no, Yo as in the million-dollar startup which enables you to say "Yo" to people! |
| 11:45 |
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oleonard |
They took the world by storm I'm surprised you don't remember. |
| 11:52 |
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magnuse |
ah, no i do not remember that |
| 11:53 |
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eythian |
oh man, you missed Yo? Sucks to be you. |
| 11:56 |
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eythian |
Personally, I preferred the 'Hodor' app. |
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* LeeJ |
waves |
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tcohen |
morning |
| 12:35 |
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oleonard |
Yo |
| 12:38 |
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tcohen |
happy birthday, nengard! |
| 12:38 |
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nengard |
Thank you :) |
| 12:40 |
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kidclamp |
happy birthday nengard |
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* LeeJ |
waves to everyone |
| 12:44 |
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LeeJ |
heyyy happy birthday nengard! |
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nengard |
:) |
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LeeJ |
@later tell cait for the 17.05 sysprefs you have a note next to AuthorityMergeLimit...so AuthorityMergeLimit replaces dontmerge entirely, correct? |
| 13:01 |
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huginn |
LeeJ: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:01 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: I don't think so |
| 13:01 |
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tcohen |
ah, yes! removed! |
| 13:02 |
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LeeJ |
tcohen so my statement was correct? |
| 13:03 |
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tcohen |
Yes |
| 13:03 |
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LeeJ |
tcohen thank you! |
| 13:03 |
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fridolin |
perf bug for huge catalogs Bug 18861 |
| 13:04 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18861 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, NEW , branch_transfer_limits needs keys |
| 13:04 |
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tcohen |
hi fridolin! |
| 13:04 |
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* LeeJ |
waves to fridolin |
| 13:04 |
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LeeJ |
thank you very much fridolin! |
| 13:04 |
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tcohen |
fridolin: are you providing a patch for it? |
| 13:05 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: there's something I don't understand |
| 13:05 |
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tcohen |
how can the feature be disabled? |
| 13:05 |
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fridolin |
tcohen: yep just done it |
| 13:05 |
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fridolin |
Bug 18861 |
| 13:06 |
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LeeJ |
I think I'm confused somewhere.. haha |
| 13:06 |
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* fridolin |
waves back |
| 13:07 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: I'm readng the bug (17913) |
| 13:07 |
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LeeJ |
tcohen that's a good question..I'd need to include that info in an Important note |
| 13:08 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: the old behaviour was that there was an on/off switch (dontmerge) |
| 13:09 |
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tcohen |
it seems that by adding the option to control whether to syncronously update the linked biblios, we lost the ability to disable the behaviour |
| 13:09 |
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tcohen |
it might make sense, though. But I wasn't part of the disucssion, so need to read the bug |
| 13:09 |
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LeeJ |
tcohen my first question would be can it be "disabled" if the value is set to zero? |
| 13:09 |
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tcohen |
it might be a hidden feature (like AuthorityMergeLimit =0 or similar) |
| 13:10 |
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LeeJ |
haha we were on the same train of though |
| 13:10 |
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LeeJ |
thought even |
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oleonard |
If anyone has time I'd be very grateful if they could test Bug 17893 |
| 13:10 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17893 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move JavaScript to the footer on staff client catalog pages |
| 13:11 |
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oleonard |
I think we can do a lot to improve the way Koha handles JavaScript, but it's going to be a slog. |
| 13:12 |
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LeeJ |
oleonard if I was more proficient in JS I'd assist but I'm still a novice rookie :) |
| 13:13 |
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oleonard |
LeeJ: You don't need to look at the JavaScript code to test, if that helps. |
| 13:14 |
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LeeJ |
oleonard I know :) I enjoy testing your patches because you always have good test plans :) |
| 13:15 |
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LeeJ |
tcohen I think I found the answer |
| 13:15 |
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LeeJ |
the unit test for Merge.t was changed in that bug |
| 13:19 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: I'm all ears |
| 13:25 |
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LeeJ |
one of the first tests in it tests for the value set to zero it appears |
| 13:40 |
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tcohen |
if it is set to 0, then there's no limit for merging the auth info into biblios |
| 13:43 |
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LeeJ |
hmm...I see your point |
| 13:46 |
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tcohen |
so, limit=0, then proceed to merge into all biblio records when the user saves the changes |
| 13:46 |
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tcohen |
limit=n, then proceed to merge into all biblio records when the user saves the changes, if the amount of biblios is lower or equal to n |
| 13:47 |
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tcohen |
if the amount of biblios is higher than n, then the merge is skipped, but scheduled for when merge_authorities.pl is ran by the cronjob |
| 13:49 |
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LeeJ |
not sure how to go about it now haha |
| 13:49 |
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tcohen |
well, that's the actual behaviour, and is explained on the sysprefs page |
| 13:54 |
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LeeJ |
I suppose I could skip that for now putting it into the manual and go back to it later :) |
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LeeJ |
oleonard there you go! signed off! :) |
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oha |
mh? "Your membership in the mailing list Koha has been disabled due to excessive bounces" |
| 14:45 |
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oha |
am i that bouncy? |
| 14:46 |
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* LeeJ |
tries to throw oha against a wall to test bounciness |
| 14:46 |
|
oha |
not too bad, ah? |
| 14:46 |
|
oha |
more bouncy then expected |
| 14:46 |
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oha |
gotta go, hopefully it is just a glitch |
| 14:47 |
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LeeJ |
darn..was just about to grab a tennis racket :) |
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LibraryClaire |
I got a mail about bounces from the list too |
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reiveune |
bye |
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tcohen_lunch |
In Pero |
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* LeeJ |
waves to cait |
| 17:29 |
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* cait |
waves back |
| 17:29 |
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cait |
:) |
| 17:30 |
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* kidclamp |
waves about wildly, figures someone will receive one |
| 17:31 |
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eythian |
Friendly fire. |
| 17:31 |
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LeeJ |
haha |
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* LeeJ |
waves to kidclamp |
| 17:32 |
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LeeJ |
kidclamp: I can picture you doing that too haha |
| 17:33 |
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kidclamp |
it's not a stretch, many people have agreed I am likely to wear a romphim |
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LeeJ |
hahahahahahaha |
| 17:36 |
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tcohen |
snag.gy is back online \o/ |
| 17:36 |
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kidclamp |
huzzah |
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LeeJ |
I use gyazo..it automatically uploads haha |
| 17:37 |
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* magnuse |
adds to the waving |
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* LeeJ |
waves to magnuse |
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* magnuse |
waves back to LeeJ |
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LeeJ |
magnuse so how goes that authority work? haha |
| 17:46 |
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magnuse |
i have not had the time to look at it again yet |
| 17:46 |
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magnuse |
maybe tomorrow |
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LeeJ |
I know the feeling :) |
| 17:47 |
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magnuse |
is it possible to limit the fields that are used to generate authorities? |
| 17:47 |
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magnuse |
yeah, a very common feeling... |
| 17:47 |
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LeeJ |
hmm good question |
| 17:47 |
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LeeJ |
let's see... |
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LeeJ |
magnuse: which fields did you have in mind? |
| 17:51 |
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LeeJ |
I believe that they are generated from the 1xx fields.. |
| 17:52 |
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magnuse |
my customer wants subjects from 653 |
| 17:52 |
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LeeJ |
hmm... |
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LeeJ |
I'm not sure myself to be honest |
| 17:56 |
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LeeJ |
still rather new to working with authorities but I do know a small bit |
| 17:57 |
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LeeJ |
our library doesn't use 653 that I've come across |
| 17:59 |
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* LeeJ |
grumbles still trying to figure out with SYNC_REPO won't work on Windows |
| 18:03 |
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LeeJ |
cait: so tcohen and I were having a discussion earlier...for the syspref AuthorityMergeMode you don't know of a way it can be disabled correct? I was going to work on the manual and wanted to verify if I should include an important note under it |
| 18:04 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: did you install vbguest-additions? |
| 18:04 |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: sorry, vagrant-vbguest |
| 18:05 |
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LeeJ |
tcohen: I did! I don't know why I'm the only one having difficulty. |
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tcohen |
is the double backslash mandatory? |
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LeeJ |
tcohen: it is otherwise the file path is incorrect. Now I'm failing at a strange part |
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LeeJ |
https://github.com/digibib/koh[…]koha-instance.yml |
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tcohen |
where |
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LeeJ |
it was failing at line 7 column 3...I'm thinking it's because I didn't have koha_instance_name uncommented in user.yml |
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LeeJ |
so I'm trying that now |
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tcohen |
no |
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tcohen |
it picks from defaults.yml what you don't have in user.yml |
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LeeJ |
that's what I thought too..though then I don't understand why it's not found |
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tcohen |
maybe registering stdout is not working |
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tcohen |
ldjamison? |
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LeeJ |
ansible is failing on "koha-list '|' grep kohadev" saying no such file or directory |
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tcohen |
can you paste the exact output on the issue in github? |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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mtompset |
@seen gmcharlt |
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huginn |
mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: * gmcharlt waves back at cait |
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LeeJ |
tcohen it's the exact same error message each time |
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LeeJ |
https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/issues/199 |
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LeeJ |
and my user.yml is identical to what I posted there |
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LeeJ |
I'll add in the full ansible-playbook log now |
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tcohen |
LeeJ: can you vagrant ssh |
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tcohen |
and tell me what Ansible version you got installed? |
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tcohen |
ansible --version} |
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LeeJ |
sure..just a sec |
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LeeJ |
tcohen: 2.3.1.0 |
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cait |
LeeJ: just saw your later - yep |
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cait |
dontmerge has to be deleted, replaced by the other pref |
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LeeJ |
cait: okay :) |
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LeeJ |
tcohen: not sure if it helps, but the same error happens on 3 Windows machines I've tried it on..2 are Windows 7 and 1 is Windows 8.1 |
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magnuse |
fun project of the day: https://github.com/Libriotech/koha-mytap |
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tcohen |
@later tell lari I've added to tomorrow's agenda a REST api section, please join the discussion if you can, it would help a lot |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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magnuse |
ah https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_28_June_2017 14 utc |
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lostcause |
Hello, I am a governor at a small infant school. They have a tiny library and of course, like all schools no budget. I am very comfortable with Linux, Mysql, Apache, Perl (LAMP!) and servers etc. but I have no library experience. Do you think Koha is a good suggestion for getting a system up and running at very low cost with barcodes, library cards, scanners etc? Before I get too far into it, |
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lostcause |
I'm wondering if it is too complicated/sophisticated a system for what is needed. Does Koha run on an external host/server perhaps or would you normally have a local in-house server for it? Thanks for any suggestions, encouragement etc. :) |
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LeeJ |
lostcause: hello and welcome to the Koha community! :) |
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lostcause |
Thanks :) |
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LeeJ |
lostcause: with a little effort Koha is rather easy to navigate once you understand how it is structured |
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lostcause |
I was thinking of maybe just trying to set it up for my own books at home to see how it works first maybe. |
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LeeJ |
I come from an IT background and started out with zero library knowledge but Koha was VERY user-friendly to learn |
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LeeJ |
doing it for your own home collection is certainly one way to test it out! |
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LeeJ |
to answer your question regarding a server, either option is viable |
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lostcause |
In my head, the minimum starting costs are: usb scanner(s), barcode labels, library cards, and then possibly just use an existing computer/internet connection and connect to Koha running on a Virtual Machine somewhere |
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LeeJ |
that is more or less the gist of it :) |
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LeeJ |
are there any other specific questions you have? |
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lostcause |
Does Koha link to an ISBN database somewhere, or is there a plugin or easy way to scan in the existing books without having to type in all the titles etc? |
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LeeJ |
Koha offers something called a z39.50 client |
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lostcause |
Ah yes, I saw that, I have/had no idea what that was (I guess I could have googled that) in fact..maybe I'll google it now |
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LeeJ |
basically what that does it you provide an input parameter (title, ISBN, author, etc.) and the client queries "targets" for pre-existing book records |
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lostcause |
Are there good free sources/databases or is that another cost to factor in? |
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LeeJ |
Koha by default comes with the Library of Congress as a z39.50 target..at no cost! |
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cait |
@later tell kidclamp yep, can chari |
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huginn |
cait: The operation succeeded. |
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lostcause |
Sounds a bit American, do you think it'll have UK kids books? |
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LeeJ |
Library of Congress (LOC) is the go-to source for most libraries for basic catalog records |
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LeeJ |
hmm..let me pull up ours..I believe we have a UK target.. |
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cait |
irspy? |
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wahanui |
irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com. |
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lostcause |
thanks, I'll look at that, very useful |
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cait |
they have a directory of other sources - you could see if you can find something there |
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LeeJ |
the library I work at uses the British Library as a target :) |
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lostcause |
So it does sound like this is a very good solution |
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LeeJ |
lostcause we wouldn't be here if we didn't believe in the utility of Koha :) |
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lostcause |
:) |
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LeeJ |
do you have any other concerns we might be able to address for you? |
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lostcause |
I just need to persuade my governing board. I don't feel it will be hard at the moment. |
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lostcause |
I'll be back if I think of something, I think I'll install it and have a look |
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cait |
you could set up koha on a laptop even |
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cait |
to show them |
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cait |
with a few of your books |
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cait |
i tihnk it has been done before :) |
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cait |
there is also demos available on the website |
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cait |
demos? |
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wahanui |
demos are http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
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cait |
wahanui botsnack cookie |
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wahanui |
:) |
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LeeJ |
Koha also has a manual released with each version that provides robust information covering every aspect of Koha's functionality https://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
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LeeJ |
currently 17.05 is the most recent stable version..full upgrades are released twice a year (May and November) |
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cait |
we provide packages - so installing is super easy |
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LeeJ |
besides https://koha-community.org there is also a wiki available that provides more technical details as necessary |
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LeeJ |
wiki? |
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wahanui |
wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org |
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lostcause |
nice |
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LeeJ |
have we addressed all of your concerns for the moment? |
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lostcause |
More than addressed them yes, very impressive community help thanks! |
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cait |
:) |
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LeeJ |
:) |
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LeeJ |
wahanui botsnack cookie for being a very helpful bot |
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wahanui |
:) |
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cait |
there is usually always someone around here, weekends are a bit quiet |
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lostcause |
The demos do make it look a bit scary though, loads of things going on. Is it possible to simplify the interfaces etc? |
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lostcause |
I guess I'll know that once I start installing it |
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LeeJ |
some parts/functions can be enabled/disabled |
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lostcause |
I guess the demos tend to have everything enabled |
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LeeJ |
usually they do so it's possible to see everything offered |
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eythian |
Yeah, keep in mind it can run a public library system with budgets and branches and stuff. You as the admin can see everything, but can disable parts for people who might be daunted by them. |
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LeeJ |
the staff client (intranet) is the busy end of things..for the most part the OPAC (also known as the catalog..it stands for Online Public Access Catalog) |
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lostcause |
I don't want to scare them with it, although I can see some of those features becoming useful later |
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cait |
you can also use the permissions to hide a lot of things |
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cait |
users who don't have permission for using a feature, won't see it |
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LeeJ |
just a second and can show you a screenshot of a slimmed down version of the staff screen :) |
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lostcause |
great thanks |
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LeeJ |
https://gyazo.com/7288cbed6dee[…]dbf7db83fde64f2f6 |
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LeeJ |
that would give a better indication of how "slim" the staff client can be |
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lostcause |
Yes that's less scary. Can the words be changed easily? Like instead of Patrons some other word? I guess maybe with a language file? |
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LeeJ |
hmm..cait what are your thoughts? |
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LeeJ |
I believe with some programming tricks the labels could be changed but I'm not certain if there are some fields/options that cannot have the wording changed |
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LeeJ |
with that being said, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible with a little effort |
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lostcause |
It's no big deal really, I'm sure I can work around it one way or another |
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lostcause |
does "circulation" mean books in and out? |
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LeeJ |
that is correct! |
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lostcause |
I guess these are all general library terms that I just don't know |
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lostcause |
I mean that looks exactly what I would want. And Lists is the catalogue of books? |
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LeeJ |
lists is actually something slightly different |
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LeeJ |
the catalogue of books can be accessed either through the cataloguing module or via the "Search the catalog" search field |
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lostcause |
ah yes I see |
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lostcause |
is lists, like reports then? |
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LeeJ |
the lists feature can be used by staff and (if allowed) patrons..they can be either private or public lists of books from the catalogue |
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lostcause |
ah right, yes I see |
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LeeJ |
for example, our library occasionally uses the lists feature to list catalogue items for History Months |
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lostcause |
Yes, a school could have reading lists for each class or something |
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LeeJ |
precisely! |
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LeeJ |
quite a few of ours users take advantage of lists from the OPAC side when they log in where they can manage their own private lists as well (i.e. a "to read" list) |
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lostcause |
Yes the OPAC is interesting, so in theory I can link it to the school web site. |
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LeeJ |
that's correct..it also allows for other options as well |
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lostcause |
Although we are talking about a small number of books for 4-8 year olds here, not the British Library ;) |
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LeeJ |
a library is a library is a library ;) |
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LeeJ |
actually, this may prove useful to you in your case https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide |
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LeeJ |
it provides more of a laymens walkthrough of sorts |
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cait |
sorry, just reading back |
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cait |
you could change it with jquery in the configuration |
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cait |
we can help with that |
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cait |
easier than the language files and will survive updates |
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LeeJ |
thank you cait :) |
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lostcause |
ah great |
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LeeJ |
so to confirm for you lostcause the text "Patrons" CAN be changed to something easier if desired :) |
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cait |
jquery = JavaScript |
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cait |
there IS a en-GB language version |
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lostcause |
OK and that would survive updates too |
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cait |
i am not sure if the terms are more familiar there |
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cait |
but it'ssomething you could try out |
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cait |
at least should give you 'better' spelling :) |
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lostcause |
Ah right, yes maybe the GB version will be terms that make more sense to me :) |
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LeeJ |
at one point in time we've all had the experience of having to learn Koha from scratch..we know how you feel :) |
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lostcause |
Yes, I'm reading the newbie guide at the moment, useful |
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magnuse |
except rangi, he had to write it from scratch ;-) |
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LeeJ |
hahaha magnuse I was going to say that but decided not to :) |
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cait |
:) |
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magnuse |
i couldn't help myself ;-) |
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cait |
it's something beautiful about this project |
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cait |
to have the very first people, like jo and rangi and the newer ones and people from everywhere... |
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magnuse |
yay for all the people! |
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cait |
yay for community :) |
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* LeeJ |
raises his hand for being one of the newest |
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cait |
lostcause: where in UK are you? |
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lostcause |
I'm in Surrey |
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rangi |
omg |
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lostcause |
Ugh, I just got to the section on Frameworks and my head is starting to hurt |
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* rangi |
just read the ugraded from ubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 |
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rangi |
why |
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rangi |
why would you do that |
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cait |
rangi: don't scare lostcause |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
lostcause: go there later |
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rangi |
oh im just puzzled why someone would upgrade to 12.04 ... |
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cait |
lostcause: it's basically just... forms |
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rangi |
its 17 now |
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cait |
for cataloguing |
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cait |
and you can make them easier by hiding everything you don#t need |
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LeeJ |
lostcause: since you said that the materials in question are books then you probably only need to work with the Books Framework :) |
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cait |
or downsize the default one :) |
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lostcause |
Yeah that makes sense |
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lostcause |
Simplicity is the aim here ;) |
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LeeJ |
then you've come to the right community ;) |
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lostcause |
Just upgrading my laptop from 14.04 to 16.04... |
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lostcause |
So should be ready to try installing in an hour or two I guess :/ |
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lostcause |
brb |
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LeeJ |
well I'll probably be back on shortly..time to leave work and head home haha |
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cait |
have a nice evening LeeJ |
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LeeJ |
tcohen: by the way..I spent the past while trying to troubleshoot my sync_repo problem..vagrant ssh shows that the kohaclone is syncing correctly but it still fails at koha-instance.yml. BUT if I disable sync repo and only change the sync repo line of user.yml vagrant up completes |
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LeeJ |
you too cait! Was trying to troubleshoot a devbox problem but I'll be manual writing in the morning again :) |
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cait |
np, thx for the help! |
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LeeJ |
of course! |
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* LeeJ |
waves bye |
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tcohen |
@later tell LeeJ maybe there's something about the way you pass the SYNC_REPO variable... you could try the inline form: SYNC_REPO="C:\" vagrant up |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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waves |
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cait |
wb LeeJ |
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LeeJ |
thank you cait :) |
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LeeJ |
I hopped on my mac to see if I could get sync_repo working on it...I swear this will be the death of me |
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might try to do a bit of manual work while I'm babysitting :) |
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aleisha |
anyone else having an issue with patron clubs? can't create a club or go to the page at all if clubs exist? bug 18870 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18870 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron Clubs breaks when creating a club |
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mtompset |
Sorry, aleisha. Haven't tried. That seemed like a functionality that we'll never use. |
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mtompset |
aleisha: Did you see my comment on 14385? :) I was thinking that 10589 is actually an expansion of this, and I might reopen it. |
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aleisha |
you can resurrect if you'd like |
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mtompset |
14385 or both? |
