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hiya cait and eythian |
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LeeJ |
hi magnuse! |
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wahanui |
kamelåså |
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hiya LeeJ |
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LeeJ |
what in the world ? |
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is that a programmed response to saying hello to you? lol |
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so it is :-) |
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haha I like it though I don't know what it says :) |
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magnuse did you have a go at those authorities? haha |
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cait: Chugging through the sysprefs as we speak :) |
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LeeJ++ :) |
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cait |
i started a general review - at the bottom of the list |
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cait |
some things need moving or contain outdated information |
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cait |
hope the notes make sense |
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cait: they do make sense! Should have most of the prefs done by lunch (i.e. ~2.5 hours from now :) ) |
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wow |
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is a machine |
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cait |
not checking that email account regularly at work - let me know if you want me to review something :) |
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LeeJ |
will do! This will be another large merge file instead of a bunch of tiny ones to make your life easier haha |
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magnuse |
LeeJ: yup, it worked with your settings and the script! but my customer just wanted to generate from some marc fields, so i'll have to look into that too |
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cait: oh! I know what I forgot to ask! Are there specific "names" for each of the headers in the documentation? Working on writing a style guide to add to the Editing the Manual wiki page but I need to hammer down terminology first :) |
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magnuse: that's great to hear! I'm glad it worked! Though you can thank ByWater as they were the ones who did it for my library and told me how it's done :) |
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magnuse: perhaps we should document the process somewhere..I feel the process might be useful to others |
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bywater++ |
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LeeJ: yeah, i have thought about adding it to the wiki, just want to make my customer happy first :-) |
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magnuse: the customer always comes first in our line of work :) |
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LeeJ |
Koha's grammar rule about capitalizing the first letter applies to bulleted lists as well, correct? |
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LeeJ: yeah, i think so |
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¡tcohen! |
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hi! |
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⸘tcohen‽ |
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magnuse: okay...and I'm assuming the same with periods? Found strings that need changing in the OPACXSLT sysprefs...they REALLY bother me |
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I'll be filing a bug in a little while...going to see if there are any others while I'm at it |
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magnuse |
periods at the end of bulleted list items? not sure abut that one |
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https://gyazo.com/4f431ffffafa[…]799b43538567d82d3 |
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magnuse: there's a period only in the fourth bulleted item in each syspref... |
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hehe, local consistency is good, then at the very least :-) |
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sprinkles commas around at random |
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is irrationally irritated and bothered by inconsistency |
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LeeJ |
you monster! |
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magnuse: but now the question is...do periods get added to the others? Or remove the period altogether? I can't seem to find any reference on the wiki regarding periods..only spacing and capitalization |
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what is the oxford standard? |
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LeeJ |
hmm..let's see |
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magnuse "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." |
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magnuse |
"If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." https://en.oxforddictionaries.[…]ion/bullet-points |
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haha |
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hehe |
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LeeJ |
magnuse: my concern is setting a predicent since there does not seem to be a pre-defined Koha grammar rule on periods..it could lead to hundreds/thousands of string changes potentially |
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LeeJ |
guess I'll just file a bug and let the chips fall where they may :) |
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+1 |
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hmm...I wonder if there's a regex/grep way of counting how many there are :P |
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LeeJ: capitalization rules should apply generally - i know the manual is an awful mix right now... but we have to start in some direction |
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LeeJ: I think it should apply for headings too |
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LeeJ: but not sure if that was your earlier question |
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cait: my earlier question to you was regarding what each "heading" in gitlab should be referred to as... |
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cait |
LeeJ: sorry, not getting it |
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cait: since each heading has a specific character underneath it (apostrophe, etc.) does each have its own term? Or just <h1> <h2> etc? |
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cait |
can you explain it a bit differently? |
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LeeJ |
trying to think of a clearer explanation |
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cait |
maybe an example? |
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LeeJ |
so let's take administration.rst as an example |
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LeeJ |
Global System Preferences has hyphens underneath it |
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LeeJ |
and Acquisitions has tilde underneath..each signifies a different header tag |
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cait |
oh |
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LeeJ |
does that make more sense? |
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cait |
are they the same level? |
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LeeJ |
no |
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cait |
i thought acquisitions is top level and global prefs is under admin |
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cait |
it seems to not care |
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To break longer text up into sections, you use section headers. These are a single line of text (one or more words) with adornment: an underline alone, or an underline and an overline together, in dashes "-----", equals "======", tildes "~~~~~~" or any of the non-alphanumeric characters = - ` : ' " ~ ^ _ * + # < > that you feel comfortable with. |
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cait |
An underline-only adornment is distinct from an overline-and-underline adornment using the same character. The underline/overline must be at least as long as the title text. Be consistent, since all sections marked with the same adornment style are deemed to be at the same level: |
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cait |
hm |
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cait |
so when they are on different levels i tmight be ok, i guess |
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cait |
looking at the sections paragraph here http://docutils.sourceforge.ne[…]t/quickstart.html |
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cait |
i think |
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cait |
possible acqisitions is 1 levesl so tilde and global system preferences is hyphens for 2nd level |
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cait |
looking at the example |
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cait: I understand that...though from what I'm seeing, each indicates a specific tag |
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cait |
to having som enotes about what we use for which level makes sense |
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cait |
i think it depends on how you start it |
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LeeJ |
that's what I was getting at in a roundabout way |
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cait |
the firxt you use in your document will be connected to the top level |
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cait |
sorry, feeling a bit slow today :) |
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LeeJ |
I guess I'll draft it up and let you take a look after I jot it down..my ideas make more sense when they're not swirling around in my head :) |
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cait |
ok :) |
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cait |
but i think sticking with whatever the conersion tool put us up with is probably good for now |
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cait |
just have to see what that is exactly... |
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LeeJ |
I'm going to add it to the bottom of the framapad so everything's in one place |
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cait |
cool :) |
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cait |
we can move it to the wiki later on |
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LeeJ |
mhm! |
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cait |
or into the manual |
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cait |
still a lot to figure out |
| 14:05 |
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LeeJ |
I completely agree |
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LeeJ |
back to sysprefs for the moment :) |
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cait |
but it's good to know you are a consistency freak too :) |
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cait |
we will get along I tihnk heh |
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LeeJ |
oh my word yes..typos and grammatical inconsistencies make me flip |
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cait |
feel free to always correct mine |
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cait |
non native speaker writing the manual is a bit of gamble |
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cait |
but doing my bet |
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cait |
best |
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LeeJ |
and you, mine |
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LeeJ |
your English is impeccable compared to some I associate with who are native speakers :) |
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cait |
aw :) |
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glares ashimema |
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cait |
at... even |
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ashimema |
hehe |
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cait |
stop laughing, go write documentation! ;) |
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ashimema |
I was just thinking "I bet that 'some I associate with who are native speakers'" could easily include me ;) |
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cait |
you just talk funny *hides* |
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cait |
nah, just a real english accent is almost a bit unusual in the bigger Koha group I guess :) |
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LeeJ_documenting |
ashimema: well I don't believe we've encountered before so I don't think you could be included! |
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sends cookies to LeeJ_documenting and ashimema |
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LeeJ_documenting |
cait: :D |
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LeeJ_documenting |
cait: I just added a quick mockup to the bottom of the framapad if you wish to look it over when you get a chance :) |
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LeeJ_documenting |
cait: heirarchies are not very fun to design in plain text :) |
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cait |
LeeJ_documenting: sorry, have to finish something at work now - but will later for sure! |
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cait: just letting you know! I understand fully :) |
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ggg |
What to do so that a non-librarian user has the option to print a quick receipt in KOHA, thank you very much for your valuable help |
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LeeJ_documenting |
hmm... |
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ggg |
What to do for a user to print a loan receipt, in koha |
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LeeJ_documenting |
ggg: what is the exact problem you're encountering? Is the print option not appearing on a patron record |
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LeeJ_documenting |
? |
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tcohen |
ggg: you mean like in a self-checkout box? |
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ggg |
In the users my idea is that the option to print receipt, with the format of the receipts ISSUEQSLIP |
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LeeJ_documenting |
well if this is for patrons (customers) do you have a self-checkout setup? Or are librarians/staff members the only ones who perform the checkout? |
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ggg |
for customers |
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tcohen |
ggg: you need to provide more info, otherwise it's hard to say |
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tcohen |
can u explain what the checkout workflow woul dbe? |
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tcohen |
you should start by mentioning what page/screen who will be facing |
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* LeeJ_documenting |
shrugs |
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tcohen |
yeah, well |
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* LeeJ_documenting |
goes back to the bowels of the manual |
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tcohen |
@later tell mveron ping |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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LeeJ_documenting |
@later tell cait I submitted another merge request. This one covers the remaining 15 sysprefs added in 16.11..I'll work on the sysprefs for 17.05 between tonight and tomorrow |
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huginn |
LeeJ_documenting: The operation succeeded. |
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before I forget..kidclamp++ for working with barton to improve the unit test wiki page :) |
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barton |
kidclamp++ |
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kidclamp |
barton++ |
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kidclamp |
:-) |
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* LeeJ |
enjoys all the incremental love |
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kidclamp |
LeeJ++ |
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kidclamp |
LeeJ++ |
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kidclamp |
for doing quite a lot |
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LeeJ |
kidclamp: I appreciate it but compared to each of you I've done hardly anything! haha |
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LeeJ |
how would one go about setting up SIP2 for dev purposes? It appears 3M's SIP emulator is non-existent |
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LeeJ |
I guess it would help to read the SIP2 documentation before I go asking questions ;) |
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oleonard |
LeeJ: Like you said... incremental. |
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kidclamp: so it appears ALL of the nightly builds are failed currently.. |
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LeeJ |
kidclamp: it had been just master |
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LeeJ |
Not sure who maintains the wiki page, but the link on the Setting Up SIP page is dead https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]P_and_3M_machines |
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oleonard |
LeeJ: You maintain it! |
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oleonard: haha then should it just be marked with a strikethrough? |
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oleonard |
Could maybe check archive.org, although it's not working for me at the moment. |
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oleonard |
Otherwise a strikethrough is probably a good solution |
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LeeJ |
waybackmachine can't even query the page because the account was deleted |
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LeeJ |
strikethrough it is :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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* LeeJ |
waves |
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cait |
LeeJ: takinmg a look at the merge request now :) |
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LeeJ |
cait: sweet :) |
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cait |
LeeJ: got a question :) |
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cait |
for XSLTListDisplay you wrote 'In previous versions of Koha this was the setting that read |
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cait |
'normally'' |
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cait |
can you explain? |
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cait |
tired brain today |
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tcohen |
bye #koha |
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cait |
i think it's me - i am slow today |
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cait |
merged it in! |
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LeeJ |
sorry haha just got back! was afk |
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LeeJ |
I can edit it later if necessary :) |
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LeeJ |
I had actually put that in there because the other two XSLT options had mirrored statements..I figured might as well keep consistency |
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cait |
ah |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
yeah slow brian |
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cait |
nothing else stood out - seemed all ok |
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LeeJ |
okay :) |
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LeeJ |
I noted in the framapad about replacing that fines pref completely FYI |
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cait |
hm? |
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LeeJ |
cait: replaced RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn with RefundLostOnReturnControl because it appears to have replaced it since I can't find a bug that said otherwise and they appear to be virtually identical in functionality..can you confirm? |
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cait |
yep i think you are right |
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cait |
good trick is to search bugzilla with ALL |
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cait |
like ALL RefundLostOnReturnControl |
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cait |
it will also turn up closed bugs |
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cait |
bug 14048 is it |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14048 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Change RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn to be branch specific |
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LeeJ |
didn't know that trick :) |
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LeeJ |
glad I guessed right ;) |
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cait |
good work about the headings :) |
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cait |
that makes more sense now |
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cait |
we just closed a ton of bugs from 16.11 - so they are a bit harder to find without the bug number |
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cait |
LeeJ++ |
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cait |
laundry.. bbiab |
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LeeJ |
have fun! I'll be leaving shortly myself |
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oleonard |
Oh speaking of leaving... |
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cait |
have a nice evening! |
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cait |
and oleonard escaped again without giving us a chance to wish him a good evening. tsk |
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LeeJ |
take care all! Might be on later :) |
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waves |
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francharb |
Hi |
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francharb |
Has anyone experienced issues with fines when updating to 16.05 |
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francharb |
? |
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francharb |
We upgraded the most of our clients to 16.05 |
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francharb |
At least two has now issues |
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wizzyrea |
what kind of problem? |
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wizzyrea |
francharb^ |
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francharb |
the amount the patron has to pay is negative |
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francharb |
I have no idea how to reproduce the issue |
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francharb |
I'll check the database |
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francharb |
I was just checking if anybody else has had the same issue... |
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wizzyrea |
i havent seen that issue |
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wizzyrea |
but I did see an issue that had to do with incomplete issuing rules doing weird things applying fines |
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wizzyrea |
I don't *think* it would end up with them being negative |
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wizzyrea |
and I don't know for sure if it's new behavior |
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wizzyrea |
but on your two that have problems |
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wizzyrea |
I'd check the rules and make sure they're not doing something weirdly complex |
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thanks @wizzyrea |
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