Time  Nick               Message
21:26 francharb          thanks @wizzyrea
21:25 wizzyrea           I'd check the rules and make sure they're not doing something weirdly complex
21:25 wizzyrea           but on your two that have problems
21:25 wizzyrea           and I don't know for sure if it's new behavior
21:24 wizzyrea           I don't *think* it would end up with them being negative
21:24 wizzyrea           but I did see an issue that had to do with incomplete issuing rules doing weird things applying fines
21:24 wizzyrea           i havent seen that issue
21:23 francharb          I was just checking if anybody else has had the same issue...
21:22 francharb          I'll check the database
21:22 francharb          I have no idea how to reproduce the issue
21:22 francharb          the amount the patron has to pay is negative
21:21 wizzyrea           francharb^
21:20 wizzyrea           what kind of problem?
21:20 francharb          At least two has now issues
21:19 francharb          We upgraded the most of our clients to 16.05
21:18 francharb          ?
21:18 francharb          Has anyone experienced issues with fines when updating to 16.05
21:18 francharb          Hi
20:52 * LeeJ             waves
20:52 LeeJ               take care all! Might be on later :)
19:49 cait               and oleonard escaped again without giving us a chance to wish him a good evening. tsk
19:48 cait               have a nice evening!
19:48 oleonard           Oh speaking of leaving...
19:47 LeeJ               have fun! I'll be leaving shortly myself
19:47 cait               laundry.. bbiab
19:46 cait               LeeJ++
19:46 cait               we just closed a ton of bugs from 16.11 - so they are a bit harder to find without the bug number
19:46 cait               that makes more sense now
19:45 cait               good work about the headings :)
19:45 LeeJ               glad I guessed right ;)
19:44 LeeJ               didn't know that trick :)
19:39 huginn             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14048 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Change RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn to be branch specific
19:39 cait               bug 14048 is it
19:38 cait               it will also turn up closed bugs
19:38 cait               like ALL RefundLostOnReturnControl
19:38 cait               good trick is to search bugzilla with ALL
19:38 cait               yep i think you are right
19:30 LeeJ               cait: replaced RefundLostItemFeeOnReturn with RefundLostOnReturnControl because it appears to have replaced it since I can't find a bug that said otherwise and they appear to be virtually identical in functionality..can you confirm?
19:16 cait               hm?
19:11 LeeJ               I noted in the framapad about replacing that fines pref completely FYI
19:11 LeeJ               okay :)
19:11 cait               nothing else stood out - seemed all ok
19:10 cait               yeah slow brian
19:10 cait               ok
19:10 cait               ah
19:08 LeeJ               I had actually put that in there because the other two XSLT options had mirrored statements..I figured might as well keep consistency
19:07 LeeJ               I can edit it later if necessary :)
19:06 LeeJ               sorry haha just got back! was afk
19:06 cait               merged it in!
19:06 cait               i think it's me - i am slow today
19:05 tcohen             bye #koha
19:05 cait               tired brain today
19:03 cait               can you explain?
19:03 cait               'normally''
19:03 cait               for XSLTListDisplay you wrote 'In previous versions of Koha this was the setting that read
19:03 cait               LeeJ: got a question :)
18:35 LeeJ               cait: sweet :)
18:35 cait               LeeJ: takinmg a look at the merge request now :)
18:35 * LeeJ             waves
18:34 * cait             waves
18:23 LeeJ               strikethrough it is :)
18:23 LeeJ               waybackmachine can't even query the page because the account was deleted
18:22 oleonard           Otherwise a strikethrough is probably a good solution
18:21 oleonard           Could maybe check archive.org, although it's not working for me at the moment.
18:19 LeeJ               oleonard: haha then should it just be marked with a strikethrough?
18:18 oleonard           LeeJ: You maintain it!
18:17 LeeJ               Not sure who maintains the wiki page, but the link on the Setting Up SIP page is dead https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Setting_up_Koha_SIP_and_3M_machines
18:09 LeeJ               kidclamp: it had been just master
18:09 LeeJ               kidclamp: so it appears ALL of the nightly builds are failed currently..
18:08 oleonard           LeeJ: Like you said... incremental.
18:03 LeeJ               I guess it would help to read the SIP2 documentation before I go asking questions ;)
18:00 LeeJ               how would one go about setting up SIP2 for dev purposes? It appears 3M's SIP emulator is non-existent
17:58 LeeJ               kidclamp: I appreciate it but compared to each of you I've done hardly anything! haha
17:57 kidclamp           for doing quite a lot
17:57 kidclamp           LeeJ++
17:57 kidclamp           LeeJ++
17:54 * LeeJ             enjoys all the incremental love
17:51 kidclamp           :-)
17:51 kidclamp           barton++
17:51 barton             kidclamp++
17:26 LeeJ_documenting   before I forget..kidclamp++ for working with barton to improve the unit test wiki page :)
17:04 huginn             LeeJ_documenting: The operation succeeded.
17:04 LeeJ_documenting   @later tell cait I submitted another merge request. This one covers the remaining 15 sysprefs added in 16.11..I'll work on the sysprefs for 17.05 between tonight and tomorrow
17:00 huginn             tcohen: The operation succeeded.
17:00 tcohen             @later tell mveron ping
16:55 * LeeJ_documenting goes back to the bowels of the manual
16:54 tcohen             yeah, well
16:53 * LeeJ_documenting shrugs
16:50 tcohen             you should start by mentioning what page/screen who will be facing
16:50 tcohen             can u explain what the checkout workflow woul dbe?
16:49 tcohen             ggg: you need to provide more info, otherwise it's hard to say
16:49 ggg                for customers
16:48 LeeJ_documenting   well if this is for patrons (customers) do you have a self-checkout setup? Or are librarians/staff members the only ones who perform the checkout?
16:46 ggg                In the users my idea is that the option to print receipt, with the format of the receipts ISSUEQSLIP
16:41 tcohen             ggg: you mean like in a self-checkout box?
16:41 LeeJ_documenting   ?
16:41 LeeJ_documenting   ggg: what is the exact problem you're encountering? Is the print option not appearing on a patron record
16:40 ggg                What to do for a user to print a loan receipt, in koha
16:39 LeeJ_documenting   hmm...
16:37 ggg                What to do so that a non-librarian user has the option to print a quick receipt in KOHA, thank you very much for your valuable help
15:00 reiveune           bye
14:30 LeeJ_documenting   cait: just letting you know! I understand fully :)
14:29 cait               LeeJ_documenting: sorry, have to finish something at work now - but will later for sure!
14:25 LeeJ_documenting   cait: heirarchies are not very fun to design in plain text :)
14:22 LeeJ_documenting   cait: I just added a quick mockup to the bottom of the framapad if you wish to look it over when you get a chance :)
14:19 LeeJ_documenting   cait: :D
14:19 * cait             sends cookies to LeeJ_documenting and ashimema
14:19 LeeJ_documenting   ashimema: well I don't believe we've encountered before so I don't think you could be included!
14:18 cait               nah, just a real english accent is almost a bit unusual in the bigger Koha group I guess :)
14:17 cait               you just talk funny *hides*
14:14 ashimema           I was just thinking "I bet that 'some I associate with who are native speakers'" could easily include me ;)
14:14 cait               stop laughing, go write documentation! ;)
14:14 ashimema           hehe
14:13 cait               at... even
14:13 * cait             glares ashimema
14:11 ashimema           lol
14:09 cait               aw :)
14:08 LeeJ               your English is impeccable compared to some I associate with who are native speakers :)
14:08 LeeJ               and you, mine
14:08 cait               best
14:08 cait               but doing my bet
14:08 cait               non native speaker writing the manual is a bit of gamble
14:08 cait               feel free to always correct mine
14:07 LeeJ               oh my word yes..typos and grammatical inconsistencies make me flip
14:06 cait               we will get along I tihnk heh
14:06 cait               but it's good to know you are a consistency freak too :)
14:05 LeeJ               back to sysprefs for the moment :)
14:05 LeeJ               I completely agree
14:05 cait               still a lot to figure out
14:05 cait               or into the manual
14:04 LeeJ               mhm!
14:03 cait               we can move it to the wiki later on
14:03 cait               cool :)
14:01 LeeJ               I'm going to add it to the bottom of the framapad so everything's in one place
14:01 cait               just have to see what that is exactly...
14:01 cait               but i think sticking with whatever the conersion tool put us up with is probably good for now
14:01 cait               ok :)
14:00 LeeJ               I guess I'll draft it up and let you take a look after I jot it down..my ideas make more sense when they're not swirling around in my head :)
14:00 cait               sorry, feeling a bit slow today :)
13:59 cait               the firxt you use in your document will be connected to the top level
13:59 LeeJ               that's what I was getting at in a roundabout way
13:59 cait               i think it depends on how you start it
13:59 cait               to having som enotes about what we use for which level makes sense
13:59 LeeJ               cait: I understand that...though from what I'm seeing, each indicates a specific tag
13:59 cait               looking at the example
13:58 cait               possible acqisitions is 1 levesl so tilde and global system preferences is hyphens for 2nd level
13:58 cait               i think
13:58 cait               looking at the sections paragraph here http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
13:58 cait               so when they are on different levels i tmight be ok, i guess
13:58 cait               hm
13:57 cait               An underline-only adornment is distinct from an overline-and-underline adornment using the same character.  The underline/overline must be at least as long as the title text.  Be consistent, since all sections marked with the same adornment style are deemed to be at the same level:
13:57 cait               To break longer text up into sections, you use section headers. These are a single line of text (one or more words) with adornment: an underline alone, or an underline and an overline together, in dashes "-----", equals "======", tildes "~~~~~~" or any of the non-alphanumeric characters = - ` : ' " ~ ^ _ * + # < > that you feel comfortable with.
13:56 cait               it seems to not care
13:55 cait               i thought acquisitions is top level and global prefs is under admin
13:55 LeeJ               no
13:55 cait               are they the same level?
13:55 LeeJ               does that make more sense?
13:55 cait               oh
13:55 LeeJ               and Acquisitions has tilde underneath..each signifies a different header tag
13:54 LeeJ               Global System Preferences has hyphens underneath it
13:54 LeeJ               so let's take administration.rst as an example
13:53 cait               maybe an example?
13:53 LeeJ               trying to think of a clearer explanation
13:52 cait               can you explain it a bit differently?
13:52 LeeJ               cait: since each heading has a specific character underneath it (apostrophe, etc.) does each have its own term? Or just <h1> <h2> etc?
13:52 cait               LeeJ: sorry, not getting it
13:51 * magnuse          wabders off to make tacos
13:51 LeeJ               cait: my earlier question to you was regarding what each "heading" in gitlab should be referred to as...
13:51 cait               LeeJ: but not sure if that was your earlier question
13:50 cait               LeeJ: I think it should apply for headings too
13:50 cait               LeeJ: capitalization rules should apply generally - i know the manual is an awful mix right now... but we have to start in some direction
13:43 LeeJ               hmm...I wonder if there's a regex/grep way of counting how many there are :P
13:42 magnuse            +1
13:41 LeeJ               guess I'll just file a bug and let the chips fall where they may :)
13:41 LeeJ               magnuse: my concern is setting a predicent since there does not seem to be a pre-defined Koha grammar rule on periods..it could lead to hundreds/thousands of string changes potentially
13:40 magnuse            hehe
13:40 LeeJ               haha
13:40 magnuse            "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period." https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/punctuation/bullet-points
13:40 LeeJ               magnuse "If the text that follows the bullet point is not a proper sentence, it doesn’t need to begin with a capital letter, nor end with a period."
13:38 LeeJ               hmm..let's see
13:38 magnuse            what is the oxford standard?
13:38 LeeJ               magnuse: but now the question is...do periods get added to the others? Or remove the period altogether? I can't seem to find any reference on the wiki regarding periods..only spacing and capitalization
13:36 LeeJ               you monster!
13:36 * LeeJ             gasps at magnuse
13:36 * LeeJ             is irrationally irritated and bothered by inconsistency
13:36 * magnuse          sprinkles commas around at random
13:35 magnuse            hehe, local consistency is good, then at the very least :-)
13:35 LeeJ               magnuse: there's a period only in the fourth bulleted item in each syspref...
13:34 LeeJ               https://gyazo.com/4f431ffffafa1a1799b43538567d82d3
13:33 magnuse            periods at the end of bulleted list items? not sure abut that one
13:32 LeeJ               I'll be filing a bug in a little while...going to see if there are any others while I'm at it
13:32 LeeJ               magnuse: okay...and I'm assuming the same with periods? Found strings that need changing in the OPACXSLT sysprefs...they REALLY bother me
13:32 eythian            ⸘tcohen‽
13:31 tcohen             hi!
13:31 magnuse            ¡tcohen!
13:31 magnuse            LeeJ: yeah, i think so
13:28 LeeJ               Koha's grammar rule about capitalizing the first letter applies to bulleted lists as well, correct?
13:22 LeeJ               magnuse: the customer always comes first in our line of work :)
13:21 magnuse            LeeJ: yeah, i have thought about adding it to the wiki, just want to make my customer happy first :-)
13:21 magnuse            bywater++
13:19 LeeJ               magnuse: perhaps we should document the process somewhere..I feel the process might be useful to others
13:18 LeeJ               magnuse: that's great to hear! I'm glad it worked! Though you can thank ByWater as they were the ones who did it for my library and told me how it's done :)
13:17 LeeJ               cait: oh! I know what I forgot to ask! Are there specific "names" for each of the headers in the documentation? Working on writing a style guide to add to the Editing the Manual wiki page but I need to hammer down terminology first :)
13:16 magnuse            LeeJ: yup, it worked with your settings and the script! but my customer just wanted to generate from some marc fields, so i'll have to look into that too
13:15 LeeJ               will do! This will be another large merge file instead of a bunch of tiny ones to make your life easier haha
13:15 cait               not checking that email account regularly at work - let me know if you want me to review something :)
13:15 * LeeJ             is a machine
13:15 cait               wow
13:14 LeeJ               cait: they do make sense! Should have most of the prefs done by lunch (i.e. ~2.5 hours from now :) )
13:14 cait               [off] nieces first :)
13:13 cait               hope the notes make sense
13:13 cait               some things need moving or contain outdated information
13:13 cait               i started a general review - at the bottom of the list
13:13 cait               LeeJ++ :)
13:11 LeeJ               cait: Chugging through the sysprefs as we speak :)
13:10 LeeJ               [off] cait: I didn't forget about you...had planned to do work on it this weekend but I babysat my one year old niece. She wouldn't let me get work done! Every time I went to sit down at the computer she told me to sit next to her!
13:09 * LeeJ             waves to cait
13:06 * cait             waves
13:04 LeeJ               magnuse did you have a go at those authorities? haha
13:03 LeeJ               haha I like it though I don't know what it says :)
13:02 magnuse            so it is :-)
13:02 LeeJ               is that a programmed response to saying hello to you? lol
13:02 LeeJ               what in the world ?
13:01 magnuse            hiya LeeJ
13:01 wahanui            kamelåså
13:01 LeeJ               hi magnuse!
12:55 magnuse            wow, dbic makes for some pretty opaque error messages
12:21 * LeeJ             waves
11:24 marcelr            no talking in the library
11:15 magnuse            ssshhhh....
11:02 cait               quiet today
09:35 cait               :)
09:09 magnuse            hiya cait and eythian
09:01 cait               hi eythian
09:00 eythian            hi cait
08:56 * cait             waves
06:53 marcelr            hi #koha
06:47 reiveune1          hello
06:45 * tcohen           needs to sleep, later #koha
06:45 tcohen             :-D
06:39 * magnuse          waves
06:39 magnuse            refresh is https://xkcd.com/1854/
06:39 magnuse            refresh?
06:34 oha                o/
06:31 tcohen1            hi
06:30 fridolin           hie tehre
06:20 tcohen             hi
02:51 wizzyrea           hi