IRC log for #koha, 2017-05-26

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00:46 kellym hi rocio!  jzairo and I are stuck at the airport
00:47 kellym hi caboose
00:47 kellym hi kidclamp
00:47 kellym hi tgoat
00:59 kidclamp hi kelly
00:59 kidclamp bye kelly
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07:14 gaetan_B hello
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07:42 eythian Hi
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07:43 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha
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07:59 marcelr hi eythian and mveron
08:02 mveron Goedemorgen marcelr and eythian
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12:09 oleonard Hi all
12:13 eythian ho leopard.
12:16 oleonard Is Koha supposed to automatically generate data in the 001 field for newly-created records?
12:16 oleonard IANAC
12:16 oleonard (I Am Not A Cataloger)
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12:28 jcamins oleonard: it doesn't, but it'd be really nice if it did.
12:29 jcamins There are various cataloging plugins that do something along those lines.
12:29 oleonard My catalogers are all aflutter because in the latest upgrade, if 003 is already filled it doesn't put in the default value when you click the field
12:30 oleonard ....which I guess, if Koha isn't automatically filling 001, is correct?
12:32 jcamins Yes.
12:34 oleonard jcamins: Any opinion about how a 001 plugin should work? What kind of number it should generate?
12:38 jcamins Probably the most logical thing is to just use the biblionumber, since that's what the 001 is for. I think there's a plugin for that.
12:39 jcamins It's not an ideal identifier, though, because it's not very useful for searching.
12:39 jcamins I've used accession numbers with an alpha prefix in the past.
12:40 jcamins Something like smp123402005
12:40 jcamins Where the prefix usually identifies the branch.
12:40 oleonard I think we've got some records like that which were created here outside of Koha
12:40 jcamins (that originally cataloged it, not the branch that has the book)
12:41 jcamins The theory is that way if there was any collateral documentation, you can tell from the accession number who to ask for help finding it.
12:42 oleonard I quickly scanned the available plugins and didn't see one, but I might have missed it
12:44 oleonard Do we even have documentation for all the cataloging plugins?
12:45 jcamins Oh, no, I'm remembering when a plugin was written and got blocked by aggressive scope creep.
12:45 oleonard :(
12:45 oleonard Bug 9921
12:45 wahanui rumour has it Bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber
12:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber
12:45 jcamins That's the one.
12:46 * jcamins leaves, having done his bibliographic good deed for the day.
12:46 oleonard jcamins++
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12:50 tcohen morning
12:51 oleonard Hi tcohen
12:56 kidclamp Is UpdateTotalIssuesOnCirc that much of a drain on server resources?
12:58 oleonard What prompts the question kidclamp ?
12:59 kidclamp (WARNING! This increases server load significantly; if performance is a concern, use the cron job to update the total issues count).
12:59 kidclamp ^ that in the system preferences
12:59 kidclamp sort of like this: Overdues - Warning: This report is very resource intensive on systems with large numbers of overdue items.
13:00 kidclamp these warnings always seem like something we should fix rather than frightening the users
13:01 kidclamp alternately, throw in some blink tags - if we are gonna warn, let's do ti proper
13:03 * tcohen agrees we should address those
13:05 tcohen ah, where's the infinite time when we need it :-D
13:05 kidclamp there's a bug in it tcohen, and the unit tests are really painful when time travel is involved
13:06 * kidclamp might be slightly punchy today
13:08 oleonard @later tell rangi Please delete Bug 18678. Spam.
13:08 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded.
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14:17 oleonard I'm glad that kidclamp_fit guy left, he's insufferable.
14:18 * kidclamp narrows his eyes
14:20 oleonard ^^ this guy knows what I'm talkin' about.
14:23 kidclamp[…]h-me-or-at-me.jpg
14:23 oleonard Oh skeptical Fry, is there anything you can't do?
14:23 * kidclamp likes his memes with identifiable metadata
14:24 oleonard https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]63732&action=diff
14:24 oleonard I wonder if the qa tool could be modified to look for line breaks inside template tags?
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14:27 Joubu oleonard: yes, definitely
14:28 * oleonard burns a copy of Programming Perl, 3rd edition, on the altar of the QA gods.
14:37 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea[…]for-library-users => "Leave your suggestions in the comments." => There is no way to let a comment...
14:37 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:41 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea[…]ling-lists/forums => most of the links are broken
14:41 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:41 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea do you want me to open bug report? :)
14:41 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:42 Joubu "Note: This project has its own bug tracker, to report a bug or submit a patch visit"
14:43 Joubu really??
14:43 wahanui well, really is more trouble than she's worth.
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14:49 oleonard "koha-translate -u" updates your templates based on the po files?
14:50 oleonard If so, is there a separate command for regenerating the templates? Or use koha-shell?
14:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15465: Fix typo in <[…]1fa5b1f3cf7a00dd3>
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14:53 Joubu "regenerating"?
14:53 oleonard Sorry, not regenerate the templates. Recreate the .po file I mean
14:54 Joubu apparently not, but you can use the translate script from a koha-shell :)
14:55 Joubu perl translate update LANG
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15:04 oleonard Thanks Joubu
15:07 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea => links "Plugins" and "Meta" do not point to anywhere...
15:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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15:47 Joubu query tcohen Hi
15:47 Joubu heh
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16:02 mveron Joubu++ for adding a test to QA tools to prevent line breaks inside of tt directives. That will save a lot of time for fixing translatability problems.
16:04 oleonard Hi mveron.
16:04 mveron Hi oleonard
16:04 wahanui hi olé onard
16:05 mveron wahanui seems to have beer time already :-)
16:05 wahanui mveron: excuse me?
16:06 oleonard I'm interested in hearing any other guidelines you think of for making the templates more translatable
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16:09 mveron oleonard: Usual suspects are:
16:09 mveron Line breaks inside of tt directives... Sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags
16:10 mveron ...resulting in 'Sentences' and 'splitted' and 'html tags' as separate fragments in translation tools
16:11 mveron ..and html tags inside of tt directives. They are forbidden by coding guidelines, but sometimes it would be easier from programming standpoint to have them.
16:12 oleonard I really think we need to figure out how to make translation work for sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags
16:12 mveron That's why I propose a filter for such tags, see Bug 18665
16:12 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18665 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Add tt filter to allow html tags inside tt directives
16:12 mveron ...for html tags inside tt directives
16:13 mveron And yes, making translation work vor splitted sentences would make much sense...
16:14 * mveron lost hours and hours in the last 5 years with translation issues - either to get it right in translation or with enhancements to weed out problems...
16:15 oleonard Isn't translation a process which should be re-thought from the ground up? We've been making incremental fixes for ages and it's still a pain.
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16:18 mveron oleonard: I agree - but I'm afraid that it would be a Hercules task. And meanwhile translations in the old fashioned way have still to be done.
16:19 oleonard I think it would be interesting to learn what good alternative workflows are.
16:20 mveron They would have to fit with Template Toolkit.
16:20 Guest978 Hi #koha, what it means, if in the intranet, a checked out title of a book on a patron's screen shows "null undefined undefined undefined undefined null"
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16:26 oleonard Oak: It certainly doesn't look good :|
16:28 Oak Yeah, a friend of mine gave me access and asked me to 'fix' these issues. I have not idea what have they been doing to their Koha.
16:28 Oak Someone deleted items/records instead of returning the books?
16:28 Oak I've been out of touch with Koha :|
16:31 oleonard Oak: That could be it. Koha is trying to pull item information based on the itemnumber in the issues table and is getting nothing?
16:32 Oak Thanks
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16:35 mveron oleonard: One more example is Bug 18675 Translation tool picks following line: %s [%% IF csv_profile.encoding == encoding OR NOT csv_profile AND encoding == 'utf8' %%]
16:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18675 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Get rid of [%% in translation for
16:37 CrispyBran oleonard - just learned a valuable lesson with kohadevbox.
16:38 CrispyBran barton too ^
16:39 CrispyBran I've been having lots of connection issues the past couple weeks.  Usually when I install Git on Windows, I use all the default settings.
16:40 CrispyBran One of the settings defaults to using the OpenSSL library.  I changed it to use the native Windows Secure Channel library.  My problems disappeared!  :/
16:40 CrispyBran I feel like an idiot.
16:41 barton huh... weird.
16:42 barton nowait, actually, that makes sense based on what we were seeing... OpenSSL is probably more strict about which certificates it will accept.
16:44 CrispyBran Something I'll have to mention to tcohen for the install notes.
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16:47 Guest924 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #183: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/183/
16:47 Guest924 jonathan.druart: Bug 15465: Fix typo in
16:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ellermaugustus, RESOLVED FIXED, README for github
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17:21 * mveron goes to have dinner
17:34 mtompset @later tell Jobou default perlcritic dislikes unless (condition) { }
17:34 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
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17:56 mtompset Rescued a 4-digit bug from "Patch does not apply" doom. :)
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18:23 mtompset cait++ # thanks for fixing my typo. :)
18:23 cait np
18:24 mtompset I've been looking at the patch does not apply and failed qa lists. :)
18:24 mtompset Seems like they get forgotten frequently.
18:25 cait hm?
18:53 tcohen WTF happened to koha 16.05?
18:54 bag tcohen: ?
18:54 tcohen i've just upgraded a demo server
18:55 tcohen and it is applying 16.12 updates
18:55 cait ohoh
18:55 cait that was on th elist today too
18:55 cait somethig wrong with the package?
18:55 tcohen does someone have drojf's email?
18:56 tcohen sorry
18:56 tcohen phone numbeR?
18:56 tcohen we need to remove that ASAP from the repo
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18:57 tcohen i mean it
18:58 tcohen for real
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19:00 tcohen who has write access to the repo¡?
19:01 cait i can dm/text him
19:01 cait what's the exact problem?
19:02 tcohen people using 16.05 are being upgraded to current master
19:03 cait text send
19:04 cait sent
19:04 oleonard drojf hasn't been around lately has he?
19:04 CrispyBran WTF (Windy Toad Farts)
19:05 cait super busy i thnk
19:05 cait i have sent him a text and twitter dm
19:06 cait tomas - do you want to email?
19:06 cait eythian: ?
19:07 liw drojf++ -- however, may I suggest, from this Koha orbiting space station, that it'd be good to have a team of at least two people managing a Koha-provided APT package repo, just in case of problems?
19:09 cait hm the wiki also lists galen
19:09 cait and robin...
19:09 wahanui robin is on annual leave
19:09 cait and not drojf
19:09 cait gmcharlt or eythian around?
19:13 eythian cait: sup?
19:13 wahanui everything.
19:13 cait was looking for someone who has access to the debian repo
19:13 cait tcohen: can you take over?
19:13 tcohen I don't have access
19:13 cait i think gmcharlt might take a look right now too
19:13 eythian I _might_
19:13 cait yeah but epxlaining, i am not sure what exactly is wrong
19:13 tcohen the 16.05.13 package contains master
19:14 tcohen period
19:14 eythian I do
19:14 tcohen we should shut apache down
19:14 tcohen until drojf figures
19:14 gmcharlt looking
19:14 liw would it be enough to just remove the 16.05.13 package? or to chmod it to 000 so it can
19:15 liw 't he downloaded?
19:15 eythian that's what I'm trying
19:15 cait check with gmcharlt plz
19:15 eythian done
19:15 tcohen liw: I think so, but I don't have means to test the 16.11 package... which could have problems too
19:15 * liw steps back to avoid interfereing further
19:15 cait i think rangi alraedy used it
19:15 cait and we did too
19:15 cait hm no we used the branch
19:15 gmcharlt ok
19:16 eythian it's been there for about 24 hours
19:16 eythian ---------- 1 robin robin 30351766 May 25 13:04 ./pool/main/k/koha/koha-common_16.05.13_all.deb
19:16 cait maybe checking the files inside the pacakge? see what version it states?
19:17 eythian will check
19:17 gmcharlt at first blush, looks like only 16 downloads of that particular package have occurred
19:18 tcohen thanks cait, eythian gmcharlt
19:20 cait have updated my messages to drojf to check chat logs first
19:20 cait is 16.11.08 ok?
19:21 gmcharlt ok, I've confirmed that the 16.05.13 package has as its stamp - i.e., oops
19:21 gmcharlt check the 16.11.08 package now
19:22 gmcharlt *checking
19:22 eythian ah cool, I was half way through checking that too :)
19:23 gmcharlt ok, confirmed that the 16.11.08 package does have the CORRECT version stamp
19:24 cait phew
19:24 cait has been there since monday
19:24 cait probably some more downlaods
19:25 eythian I think I was half way through writing a build script that would take a tag and build from that. Maybe that should be resumed by someone.
19:25 eythian (or, have jenkins do building or something.)
19:25 gmcharlt cait: just a few
19:25 gmcharlt cait: i.e., 742
19:25 gmcharlt :)
19:25 cait cool to know :)
19:25 cait he has nightly builds - so probably some automation there?
19:26 cait but sadl yi found 2 bugs in 16.11. today anyway :(
19:28 cait hm it's in master too
19:28 * cait goes to file bugs
19:28 cait thx gmcharlt++ and eythian++ coming to the rescue
19:29 eythian np
19:29 * eythian wonders a bit about how drojf uploads packages that they end up under my username
19:29 liw eythian++ gmcharlt++ cait++ tcohen++
19:30 eythian ah, he has a key that works with my account
19:30 eythian fair enough
19:30 gmcharlt eythian: eh, the way that account has been used, it could have justly been renamed pkgmgr or the like
19:30 gmcharlt :)
19:30 eythian yeah
19:30 eythian no matter, no longer mysterious :)
19:32 cait bug 18685  - also appears on master
19:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18685 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron edit/cancel floating toolbar out of place
19:34 cait hm just missed oleonard
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19:57 cait1 @later tell Joubu page name has an additional l https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Mailling_lists
19:57 huginn cait1: The operation succeeded.
20:03 barton does anyone have any experience composing the <icu_chain> configurations like in https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]CU_Chains_Library ?
20:05 barton Zebra isn't recognizing the Spanish inverted question mark as a punctuation character, which is messing up title searches containig words that start with that... and since it's used to mark the start of a question, that's problematic.
20:07 barton It's in the unicode category 'Punctuation, Other [Po]'... would that be considered a bug in Zebra, if it doesn't recognize that?
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20:17 cait1 you already activated icu?
20:17 cait1 i mean are you sure it's active and working?
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20:26 Joubu mtompset: we are not following perlcritic -1
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20:47 cait1 Joubu++
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21:14 Joubu bye #koha
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21:57 mtompset Joubu: just because we aren't now, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up simple things on the way there. It would be nice to be able to say we do 3 or 4 cleanly.
21:57 mtompset 2 and 1 generally get a little too picky at times.
21:58 mtompset And like I said on bug 1985, you could sign off the first three alone and still mean the bug.
21:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1985 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Email notification of new OPAC comments
21:58 mtompset meet the enhancement requirement.
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