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hi caboose |
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hi gaetan_B |
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Hi |
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Good morning / daytime #koha |
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hi eythian and mveron |
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Goedemorgen marcelr and eythian |
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oleonard |
Hi all |
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eythian |
ho leopard. |
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oleonard |
Is Koha supposed to automatically generate data in the 001 field for newly-created records? |
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oleonard |
IANAC |
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oleonard |
(I Am Not A Cataloger) |
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jcamins |
oleonard: it doesn't, but it'd be really nice if it did. |
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jcamins |
There are various cataloging plugins that do something along those lines. |
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oleonard |
My catalogers are all aflutter because in the latest upgrade, if 003 is already filled it doesn't put in the default value when you click the field |
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oleonard |
....which I guess, if Koha isn't automatically filling 001, is correct? |
| 12:32 |
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jcamins |
Yes. |
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oleonard |
jcamins: Any opinion about how a 001 plugin should work? What kind of number it should generate? |
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jcamins |
Probably the most logical thing is to just use the biblionumber, since that's what the 001 is for. I think there's a plugin for that. |
| 12:39 |
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jcamins |
It's not an ideal identifier, though, because it's not very useful for searching. |
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jcamins |
I've used accession numbers with an alpha prefix in the past. |
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jcamins |
Something like smp123402005 |
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jcamins |
Where the prefix usually identifies the branch. |
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oleonard |
I think we've got some records like that which were created here outside of Koha |
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jcamins |
(that originally cataloged it, not the branch that has the book) |
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jcamins |
The theory is that way if there was any collateral documentation, you can tell from the accession number who to ask for help finding it. |
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oleonard |
I quickly scanned the available plugins and didn't see one, but I might have missed it |
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oleonard |
Do we even have documentation for all the cataloging plugins? |
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jcamins |
Oh, no, I'm remembering when a plugin was written and got blocked by aggressive scope creep. |
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oleonard |
:( |
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oleonard |
Bug 9921 |
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wahanui |
rumour has it Bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
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jcamins |
That's the one. |
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* jcamins |
leaves, having done his bibliographic good deed for the day. |
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oleonard |
jcamins++ |
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tcohen |
morning |
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oleonard |
Hi tcohen |
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kidclamp |
Is UpdateTotalIssuesOnCirc that much of a drain on server resources? |
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oleonard |
What prompts the question kidclamp ? |
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kidclamp |
(WARNING! This increases server load significantly; if performance is a concern, use the update_totalissues.pl cron job to update the total issues count). |
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kidclamp |
^ that in the system preferences |
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kidclamp |
sort of like this: Overdues - Warning: This report is very resource intensive on systems with large numbers of overdue items. |
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kidclamp |
these warnings always seem like something we should fix rather than frightening the users |
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kidclamp |
alternately, throw in some blink tags - if we are gonna warn, let's do ti proper |
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* tcohen |
agrees we should address those |
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tcohen |
ah, where's the infinite time when we need it :-D |
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kidclamp |
there's a bug in it tcohen, and the unit tests are really painful when time travel is involved |
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* kidclamp |
might be slightly punchy today |
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oleonard |
@later tell rangi Please delete Bug 18678. Spam. |
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huginn |
oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
I'm glad that kidclamp_fit guy left, he's insufferable. |
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* kidclamp |
narrows his eyes |
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oleonard |
^^ this guy knows what I'm talkin' about. |
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kidclamp |
https://cdn.meme.am/cache/inst[…]h-me-or-at-me.jpg |
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oleonard |
Oh skeptical Fry, is there anything you can't do? |
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* kidclamp |
likes his memes with identifiable metadata |
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oleonard |
https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]63732&action=diff |
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oleonard |
I wonder if the qa tool could be modified to look for line breaks inside template tags? |
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Joubu |
oleonard: yes, definitely |
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* oleonard |
burns a copy of Programming Perl, 3rd edition, on the altar of the QA gods. |
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Joubu |
@later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/get[…]for-library-users => "Leave your suggestions in the comments." => There is no way to let a comment... |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
@later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/sup[…]ling-lists/forums => most of the links are broken |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
@later tell wizzyrea do you want me to open bug report? :) |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
README.md: "Note: This project has its own bug tracker, to report a bug or submit a patch visit http://bugs.koha-comminity.org." |
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Joubu |
really?? |
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wahanui |
well, really is more trouble than she's worth. |
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oleonard |
"koha-translate -u" updates your templates based on the po files? |
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oleonard |
If so, is there a separate command for regenerating the templates? Or use koha-shell? |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15465: Fix typo in bugs.k-c.org <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1fa5b1f3cf7a00dd3> |
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Joubu |
"regenerating"? |
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oleonard |
Sorry, not regenerate the templates. Recreate the .po file I mean |
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Joubu |
apparently not, but you can use the translate script from a koha-shell :) |
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Joubu |
perl translate update LANG |
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oleonard |
Thanks Joubu |
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Joubu |
@later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/get-involved => links "Plugins" and "Meta" do not point to anywhere... |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
query tcohen Hi |
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Joubu |
heh |
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mveron |
Joubu++ for adding a test to QA tools to prevent line breaks inside of tt directives. That will save a lot of time for fixing translatability problems. |
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oleonard |
Hi mveron. |
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mveron |
Hi oleonard |
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wahanui |
hi olé onard |
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mveron |
wahanui seems to have beer time already :-) |
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wahanui |
mveron: excuse me? |
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oleonard |
I'm interested in hearing any other guidelines you think of for making the templates more translatable |
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mveron |
oleonard: Usual suspects are: |
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mveron |
Line breaks inside of tt directives... Sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags |
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mveron |
...resulting in 'Sentences' and 'splitted' and 'html tags' as separate fragments in translation tools |
| 16:11 |
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mveron |
..and html tags inside of tt directives. They are forbidden by coding guidelines, but sometimes it would be easier from programming standpoint to have them. |
| 16:12 |
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oleonard |
I really think we need to figure out how to make translation work for sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags |
| 16:12 |
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mveron |
That's why I propose a filter for such tags, see Bug 18665 |
| 16:12 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18665 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Add tt filter to allow html tags inside tt directives |
| 16:12 |
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mveron |
...for html tags inside tt directives |
| 16:13 |
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mveron |
And yes, making translation work vor splitted sentences would make much sense... |
| 16:14 |
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* mveron |
lost hours and hours in the last 5 years with translation issues - either to get it right in translation or with enhancements to weed out problems... |
| 16:15 |
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oleonard |
Isn't translation a process which should be re-thought from the ground up? We've been making incremental fixes for ages and it's still a pain. |
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mveron |
oleonard: I agree - but I'm afraid that it would be a Hercules task. And meanwhile translations in the old fashioned way have still to be done. |
| 16:19 |
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oleonard |
I think it would be interesting to learn what good alternative workflows are. |
| 16:20 |
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mveron |
They would have to fit with Template Toolkit. |
| 16:20 |
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Guest978 |
Hi #koha, what it means, if in the intranet, a checked out title of a book on a patron's screen shows "null undefined undefined undefined undefined null" |
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oleonard |
Oak: It certainly doesn't look good :| |
| 16:28 |
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Oak |
Yeah, a friend of mine gave me access and asked me to 'fix' these issues. I have not idea what have they been doing to their Koha. |
| 16:28 |
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Oak |
Someone deleted items/records instead of returning the books? |
| 16:28 |
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Oak |
I've been out of touch with Koha :| |
| 16:31 |
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oleonard |
Oak: That could be it. Koha is trying to pull item information based on the itemnumber in the issues table and is getting nothing? |
| 16:32 |
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Oak |
Thanks |
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mveron |
oleonard: One more example is Bug 18675 Translation tool picks following line: %s [%% IF csv_profile.encoding == encoding OR NOT csv_profile AND encoding == 'utf8' %%] |
| 16:35 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18675 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Get rid of [%% in translation for csv-profiles.tt |
| 16:37 |
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CrispyBran |
oleonard - just learned a valuable lesson with kohadevbox. |
| 16:38 |
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CrispyBran |
barton too ^ |
| 16:39 |
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CrispyBran |
I've been having lots of connection issues the past couple weeks. Usually when I install Git on Windows, I use all the default settings. |
| 16:40 |
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CrispyBran |
One of the settings defaults to using the OpenSSL library. I changed it to use the native Windows Secure Channel library. My problems disappeared! :/ |
| 16:40 |
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CrispyBran |
I feel like an idiot. |
| 16:41 |
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barton |
huh... weird. |
| 16:42 |
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barton |
nowait, actually, that makes sense based on what we were seeing... OpenSSL is probably more strict about which certificates it will accept. |
| 16:44 |
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CrispyBran |
Something I'll have to mention to tcohen for the install notes. |
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Guest924 |
Project Koha_Master_D8 build #183: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/183/ |
| 16:47 |
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Guest924 |
jonathan.druart: Bug 15465: Fix typo in bugs.k-c.org |
| 16:47 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ellermaugustus, RESOLVED FIXED, README for github |
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* mveron |
goes to have dinner |
| 17:34 |
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mtompset |
@later tell Jobou default perlcritic dislikes unless (condition) { } |
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huginn |
mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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mtompset |
Rescued a 4-digit bug from "Patch does not apply" doom. :) |
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mtompset |
cait++ # thanks for fixing my typo. :) |
| 18:23 |
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cait |
np |
| 18:24 |
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mtompset |
I've been looking at the patch does not apply and failed qa lists. :) |
| 18:24 |
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mtompset |
Seems like they get forgotten frequently. |
| 18:25 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 18:53 |
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tcohen |
WTF happened to koha 16.05? |
| 18:54 |
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bag |
tcohen: ? |
| 18:54 |
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tcohen |
i've just upgraded a demo server |
| 18:55 |
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tcohen |
and it is applying 16.12 updates |
| 18:55 |
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cait |
ohoh |
| 18:55 |
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cait |
that was on th elist today too |
| 18:55 |
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cait |
somethig wrong with the package? |
| 18:55 |
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tcohen |
does someone have drojf's email? |
| 18:56 |
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tcohen |
sorry |
| 18:56 |
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tcohen |
phone numbeR? |
| 18:56 |
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tcohen |
we need to remove that ASAP from the repo |
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tcohen |
i mean it |
| 18:58 |
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tcohen |
for real |
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tcohen |
who has write access to the repo¡? |
| 19:01 |
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cait |
i can dm/text him |
| 19:01 |
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cait |
what's the exact problem? |
| 19:02 |
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tcohen |
people using 16.05 are being upgraded to current master |
| 19:03 |
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cait |
text send |
| 19:04 |
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cait |
sent |
| 19:04 |
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oleonard |
drojf hasn't been around lately has he? |
| 19:04 |
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CrispyBran |
WTF (Windy Toad Farts) |
| 19:05 |
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cait |
super busy i thnk |
| 19:05 |
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cait |
i have sent him a text and twitter dm |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
tomas - do you want to email? |
| 19:06 |
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cait |
eythian: ? |
| 19:07 |
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liw |
drojf++ -- however, may I suggest, from this Koha orbiting space station, that it'd be good to have a team of at least two people managing a Koha-provided APT package repo, just in case of problems? |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
hm the wiki also lists galen |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
and robin... |
| 19:09 |
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wahanui |
robin is on annual leave |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
and not drojf |
| 19:09 |
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cait |
gmcharlt or eythian around? |
| 19:13 |
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eythian |
cait: sup? |
| 19:13 |
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wahanui |
everything. |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
was looking for someone who has access to the debian repo |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
tcohen: can you take over? |
| 19:13 |
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tcohen |
I don't have access |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
i think gmcharlt might take a look right now too |
| 19:13 |
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eythian |
I _might_ |
| 19:13 |
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cait |
yeah but epxlaining, i am not sure what exactly is wrong |
| 19:13 |
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tcohen |
the 16.05.13 package contains master |
| 19:14 |
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tcohen |
period |
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eythian |
I do |
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tcohen |
we should shut apache down |
| 19:14 |
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tcohen |
until drojf figures |
| 19:14 |
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gmcharlt |
looking |
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liw |
would it be enough to just remove the 16.05.13 package? or to chmod it to 000 so it can |
| 19:15 |
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liw |
't he downloaded? |
| 19:15 |
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eythian |
that's what I'm trying |
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cait |
check with gmcharlt plz |
| 19:15 |
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eythian |
done |
| 19:15 |
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tcohen |
liw: I think so, but I don't have means to test the 16.11 package... which could have problems too |
| 19:15 |
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* liw |
steps back to avoid interfereing further |
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cait |
i think rangi alraedy used it |
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cait |
and we did too |
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cait |
hm no we used the branch |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
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eythian |
it's been there for about 24 hours |
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eythian |
---------- 1 robin robin 30351766 May 25 13:04 ./pool/main/k/koha/koha-common_16.05.13_all.deb |
| 19:16 |
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cait |
maybe checking the files inside the pacakge? see what version it states? |
| 19:17 |
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eythian |
will check |
| 19:17 |
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gmcharlt |
at first blush, looks like only 16 downloads of that particular package have occurred |
| 19:18 |
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tcohen |
thanks cait, eythian gmcharlt |
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cait |
have updated my messages to drojf to check chat logs first |
| 19:20 |
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cait |
is 16.11.08 ok? |
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gmcharlt |
ok, I've confirmed that the 16.05.13 package has 16.12.00.037 as its stamp - i.e., oops |
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gmcharlt |
check the 16.11.08 package now |
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gmcharlt |
*checking |
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eythian |
ah cool, I was half way through checking that too :) |
| 19:23 |
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gmcharlt |
ok, confirmed that the 16.11.08 package does have the CORRECT version stamp |
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cait |
phew |
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cait |
has been there since monday |
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cait |
probably some more downlaods |
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eythian |
I think I was half way through writing a build script that would take a tag and build from that. Maybe that should be resumed by someone. |
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eythian |
(or, have jenkins do building or something.) |
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gmcharlt |
cait: just a few |
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gmcharlt |
cait: i.e., 742 |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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cait |
cool to know :) |
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cait |
he has nightly builds - so probably some automation there? |
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cait |
but sadl yi found 2 bugs in 16.11. today anyway :( |
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cait |
hm it's in master too |
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* cait |
goes to file bugs |
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cait |
thx gmcharlt++ and eythian++ coming to the rescue |
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eythian |
np |
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* eythian |
wonders a bit about how drojf uploads packages that they end up under my username |
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liw |
eythian++ gmcharlt++ cait++ tcohen++ |
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eythian |
ah, he has a key that works with my account |
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eythian |
fair enough |
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gmcharlt |
eythian: eh, the way that account has been used, it could have justly been renamed pkgmgr or the like |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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eythian |
yeah |
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eythian |
no matter, no longer mysterious :) |
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cait |
bug 18685 - also appears on master |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18685 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron edit/cancel floating toolbar out of place |
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cait |
hm just missed oleonard |
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cait1 |
@later tell Joubu page name has an additional l https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Mailling_lists |
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huginn |
cait1: The operation succeeded. |
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barton |
does anyone have any experience composing the <icu_chain> configurations like in https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]CU_Chains_Library ? |
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barton |
Zebra isn't recognizing the Spanish inverted question mark as a punctuation character, which is messing up title searches containig words that start with that... and since it's used to mark the start of a question, that's problematic. |
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barton |
It's in the unicode category 'Punctuation, Other [Po]'... would that be considered a bug in Zebra, if it doesn't recognize that? |
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cait1 |
you already activated icu? |
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cait1 |
i mean are you sure it's active and working? |
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Joubu |
mtompset: we are not following perlcritic -1 |
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cait1 |
Joubu++ |
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Joubu |
bye #koha |
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mtompset |
Joubu: just because we aren't now, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up simple things on the way there. It would be nice to be able to say we do 3 or 4 cleanly. |
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mtompset |
2 and 1 generally get a little too picky at times. |
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mtompset |
And like I said on bug 1985, you could sign off the first three alone and still mean the bug. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1985 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Email notification of new OPAC comments |
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mtompset |
meet the enhancement requirement. |
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