Time Nick Message 21:58 mtompset meet the enhancement requirement. 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1985 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Email notification of new OPAC comments 21:58 mtompset And like I said on bug 1985, you could sign off the first three alone and still mean the bug. 21:57 mtompset 2 and 1 generally get a little too picky at times. 21:57 mtompset Joubu: just because we aren't now, doesn't mean we shouldn't clean up simple things on the way there. It would be nice to be able to say we do 3 or 4 cleanly. 21:14 Joubu bye #koha 20:47 cait1 Joubu++ 20:26 Joubu mtompset: we are not following perlcritic -1 20:17 cait1 i mean are you sure it's active and working? 20:17 cait1 you already activated icu? 20:07 barton It's in the unicode category 'Punctuation, Other [Po]'... would that be considered a bug in Zebra, if it doesn't recognize that? 20:05 barton Zebra isn't recognizing the Spanish inverted question mark as a punctuation character, which is messing up title searches containig words that start with that... and since it's used to mark the start of a question, that's problematic. 20:03 barton does anyone have any experience composing the <icu_chain> configurations like in https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ICU_Chains_Library ? 19:57 huginn cait1: The operation succeeded. 19:57 cait1 @later tell Joubu page name has an additional l https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Mailling_lists 19:34 cait hm just missed oleonard 19:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18685 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron edit/cancel floating toolbar out of place 19:32 cait bug 18685 - also appears on master 19:30 eythian no matter, no longer mysterious :) 19:30 eythian yeah 19:30 gmcharlt :) 19:30 gmcharlt eythian: eh, the way that account has been used, it could have justly been renamed pkgmgr or the like 19:30 eythian fair enough 19:30 eythian ah, he has a key that works with my account 19:29 liw eythian++ gmcharlt++ cait++ tcohen++ 19:29 * eythian wonders a bit about how drojf uploads packages that they end up under my username 19:29 eythian np 19:28 cait thx gmcharlt++ and eythian++ coming to the rescue 19:28 * cait goes to file bugs 19:28 cait hm it's in master too 19:26 cait but sadl yi found 2 bugs in 16.11. today anyway :( 19:25 cait he has nightly builds - so probably some automation there? 19:25 cait cool to know :) 19:25 gmcharlt :) 19:25 gmcharlt cait: i.e., 742 19:25 gmcharlt cait: just a few 19:25 eythian (or, have jenkins do building or something.) 19:25 eythian I think I was half way through writing a build script that would take a tag and build from that. Maybe that should be resumed by someone. 19:24 cait probably some more downlaods 19:24 cait has been there since monday 19:24 cait phew 19:23 gmcharlt ok, confirmed that the 16.11.08 package does have the CORRECT version stamp 19:22 eythian ah cool, I was half way through checking that too :) 19:22 gmcharlt *checking 19:21 gmcharlt check the 16.11.08 package now 19:21 gmcharlt ok, I've confirmed that the 16.05.13 package has 16.12.00.037 as its stamp - i.e., oops 19:20 cait is 16.11.08 ok? 19:20 cait have updated my messages to drojf to check chat logs first 19:18 tcohen thanks cait, eythian gmcharlt 19:17 gmcharlt at first blush, looks like only 16 downloads of that particular package have occurred 19:17 eythian will check 19:16 cait maybe checking the files inside the pacakge? see what version it states? 19:16 eythian ---------- 1 robin robin 30351766 May 25 13:04 ./pool/main/k/koha/koha-common_16.05.13_all.deb 19:16 eythian it's been there for about 24 hours 19:15 gmcharlt ok 19:15 cait hm no we used the branch 19:15 cait and we did too 19:15 cait i think rangi alraedy used it 19:15 * liw steps back to avoid interfereing further 19:15 tcohen liw: I think so, but I don't have means to test the 16.11 package... which could have problems too 19:15 eythian done 19:15 cait check with gmcharlt plz 19:15 eythian that's what I'm trying 19:15 liw 't he downloaded? 19:14 liw would it be enough to just remove the 16.05.13 package? or to chmod it to 000 so it can 19:14 gmcharlt looking 19:14 tcohen until drojf figures 19:14 tcohen we should shut apache down 19:14 eythian I do 19:14 tcohen period 19:13 tcohen the 16.05.13 package contains master 19:13 cait yeah but epxlaining, i am not sure what exactly is wrong 19:13 eythian I _might_ 19:13 cait i think gmcharlt might take a look right now too 19:13 tcohen I don't have access 19:13 cait tcohen: can you take over? 19:13 cait was looking for someone who has access to the debian repo 19:13 wahanui everything. 19:13 eythian cait: sup? 19:09 cait gmcharlt or eythian around? 19:09 cait and not drojf 19:09 wahanui robin is on annual leave 19:09 cait and robin... 19:09 cait hm the wiki also lists galen 19:07 liw drojf++ -- however, may I suggest, from this Koha orbiting space station, that it'd be good to have a team of at least two people managing a Koha-provided APT package repo, just in case of problems? 19:06 cait eythian: ? 19:06 cait tomas - do you want to email? 19:05 cait i have sent him a text and twitter dm 19:05 cait super busy i thnk 19:04 CrispyBran WTF (Windy Toad Farts) 19:04 oleonard drojf hasn't been around lately has he? 19:04 cait sent 19:03 cait text send 19:02 tcohen people using 16.05 are being upgraded to current master 19:01 cait what's the exact problem? 19:01 cait i can dm/text him 19:00 tcohen who has write access to the repo¡? 18:58 tcohen for real 18:57 tcohen i mean it 18:56 tcohen we need to remove that ASAP from the repo 18:56 tcohen phone numbeR? 18:56 tcohen sorry 18:55 tcohen does someone have drojf's email? 18:55 cait somethig wrong with the package? 18:55 cait that was on th elist today too 18:55 cait ohoh 18:55 tcohen and it is applying 16.12 updates 18:54 tcohen i've just upgraded a demo server 18:54 bag tcohen: ? 18:53 tcohen WTF happened to koha 16.05? 18:25 cait hm? 18:24 mtompset Seems like they get forgotten frequently. 18:24 mtompset I've been looking at the patch does not apply and failed qa lists. :) 18:23 cait np 18:23 mtompset cait++ # thanks for fixing my typo. :) 17:56 mtompset Rescued a 4-digit bug from "Patch does not apply" doom. :) 17:34 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 17:34 mtompset @later tell Jobou default perlcritic dislikes unless (condition) { } 17:21 * mveron goes to have dinner 16:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15465 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ellermaugustus, RESOLVED FIXED, README for github 16:47 Guest924 jonathan.druart: Bug 15465: Fix typo in bugs.k-c.org 16:47 Guest924 Project Koha_Master_D8 build #183: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/183/ 16:44 CrispyBran Something I'll have to mention to tcohen for the install notes. 16:42 barton nowait, actually, that makes sense based on what we were seeing... OpenSSL is probably more strict about which certificates it will accept. 16:41 barton huh... weird. 16:40 CrispyBran I feel like an idiot. 16:40 CrispyBran One of the settings defaults to using the OpenSSL library. I changed it to use the native Windows Secure Channel library. My problems disappeared! :/ 16:39 CrispyBran I've been having lots of connection issues the past couple weeks. Usually when I install Git on Windows, I use all the default settings. 16:38 CrispyBran barton too ^ 16:37 CrispyBran oleonard - just learned a valuable lesson with kohadevbox. 16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18675 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Get rid of [%% in translation for csv-profiles.tt 16:35 mveron oleonard: One more example is Bug 18675 Translation tool picks following line: %s [%% IF csv_profile.encoding == encoding OR NOT csv_profile AND encoding == 'utf8' %%] 16:32 Oak Thanks 16:31 oleonard Oak: That could be it. Koha is trying to pull item information based on the itemnumber in the issues table and is getting nothing? 16:28 Oak I've been out of touch with Koha :| 16:28 Oak Someone deleted items/records instead of returning the books? 16:28 Oak Yeah, a friend of mine gave me access and asked me to 'fix' these issues. I have not idea what have they been doing to their Koha. 16:26 oleonard Oak: It certainly doesn't look good :| 16:20 Guest978 Hi #koha, what it means, if in the intranet, a checked out title of a book on a patron's screen shows "null undefined undefined undefined undefined null" 16:20 mveron They would have to fit with Template Toolkit. 16:19 oleonard I think it would be interesting to learn what good alternative workflows are. 16:18 mveron oleonard: I agree - but I'm afraid that it would be a Hercules task. And meanwhile translations in the old fashioned way have still to be done. 16:15 oleonard Isn't translation a process which should be re-thought from the ground up? We've been making incremental fixes for ages and it's still a pain. 16:14 * mveron lost hours and hours in the last 5 years with translation issues - either to get it right in translation or with enhancements to weed out problems... 16:13 mveron And yes, making translation work vor splitted sentences would make much sense... 16:12 mveron ...for html tags inside tt directives 16:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18665 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Translatability: Add tt filter to allow html tags inside tt directives 16:12 mveron That's why I propose a filter for such tags, see Bug 18665 16:12 oleonard I really think we need to figure out how to make translation work for sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags 16:11 mveron ..and html tags inside of tt directives. They are forbidden by coding guidelines, but sometimes it would be easier from programming standpoint to have them. 16:10 mveron ...resulting in 'Sentences' and 'splitted' and 'html tags' as separate fragments in translation tools 16:09 mveron Line breaks inside of tt directives... Sentences <b>splitted</b> by html tags 16:09 mveron oleonard: Usual suspects are: 16:06 oleonard I'm interested in hearing any other guidelines you think of for making the templates more translatable 16:05 wahanui mveron: excuse me? 16:05 mveron wahanui seems to have beer time already :-) 16:04 wahanui hi olé onard 16:04 mveron Hi oleonard 16:04 oleonard Hi mveron. 16:02 mveron Joubu++ for adding a test to QA tools to prevent line breaks inside of tt directives. That will save a lot of time for fixing translatability problems. 15:47 Joubu heh 15:47 Joubu query tcohen Hi 15:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 15:07 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/get-involved => links "Plugins" and "Meta" do not point to anywhere... 15:04 oleonard Thanks Joubu 14:55 Joubu perl translate update LANG 14:54 Joubu apparently not, but you can use the translate script from a koha-shell :) 14:53 oleonard Sorry, not regenerate the templates. Recreate the .po file I mean 14:53 Joubu "regenerating"? 14:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15465: Fix typo in bugs.k-c.org <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0b7c517bfe9c76b0e40f25f1fa5b1f3cf7a00dd3> 14:50 oleonard If so, is there a separate command for regenerating the templates? Or use koha-shell? 14:49 oleonard "koha-translate -u" updates your templates based on the po files? 14:43 wahanui well, really is more trouble than she's worth. 14:43 Joubu really?? 14:42 Joubu README.md: "Note: This project has its own bug tracker, to report a bug or submit a patch visit http://bugs.koha-comminity.org." 14:41 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:41 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea do you want me to open bug report? :) 14:41 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:41 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/forums => most of the links are broken 14:37 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:37 Joubu @later tell wizzyrea https://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-library-users => "Leave your suggestions in the comments." => There is no way to let a comment... 14:28 * oleonard burns a copy of Programming Perl, 3rd edition, on the altar of the QA gods. 14:27 Joubu oleonard: yes, definitely 14:24 oleonard I wonder if the qa tool could be modified to look for line breaks inside template tags? 14:24 oleonard https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=63732&action=diff 14:23 * kidclamp likes his memes with identifiable metadata 14:23 oleonard Oh skeptical Fry, is there anything you can't do? 14:23 kidclamp https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder594/500x/55746594/futurama-fry-not-sure-if-laughing-with-me-or-at-me.jpg 14:20 oleonard ^^ this guy knows what I'm talkin' about. 14:18 * kidclamp narrows his eyes 14:17 oleonard I'm glad that kidclamp_fit guy left, he's insufferable. 13:08 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 13:08 oleonard @later tell rangi Please delete Bug 18678. Spam. 13:06 * kidclamp might be slightly punchy today 13:05 kidclamp there's a bug in it tcohen, and the unit tests are really painful when time travel is involved 13:05 tcohen ah, where's the infinite time when we need it :-D 13:03 * tcohen agrees we should address those 13:01 kidclamp alternately, throw in some blink tags - if we are gonna warn, let's do ti proper 13:00 kidclamp these warnings always seem like something we should fix rather than frightening the users 12:59 kidclamp sort of like this: Overdues - Warning: This report is very resource intensive on systems with large numbers of overdue items. 12:59 kidclamp ^ that in the system preferences 12:59 kidclamp (WARNING! This increases server load significantly; if performance is a concern, use the update_totalissues.pl cron job to update the total issues count). 12:58 oleonard What prompts the question kidclamp ? 12:56 kidclamp Is UpdateTotalIssuesOnCirc that much of a drain on server resources? 12:51 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:50 tcohen morning 12:46 oleonard jcamins++ 12:46 * jcamins leaves, having done his bibliographic good deed for the day. 12:45 jcamins That's the one. 12:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 12:45 wahanui rumour has it Bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber 12:45 oleonard Bug 9921 12:45 oleonard :( 12:45 jcamins Oh, no, I'm remembering when a plugin was written and got blocked by aggressive scope creep. 12:44 oleonard Do we even have documentation for all the cataloging plugins? 12:42 oleonard I quickly scanned the available plugins and didn't see one, but I might have missed it 12:41 jcamins The theory is that way if there was any collateral documentation, you can tell from the accession number who to ask for help finding it. 12:40 jcamins (that originally cataloged it, not the branch that has the book) 12:40 oleonard I think we've got some records like that which were created here outside of Koha 12:40 jcamins Where the prefix usually identifies the branch. 12:40 jcamins Something like smp123402005 12:39 jcamins I've used accession numbers with an alpha prefix in the past. 12:39 jcamins It's not an ideal identifier, though, because it's not very useful for searching. 12:38 jcamins Probably the most logical thing is to just use the biblionumber, since that's what the 001 is for. I think there's a plugin for that. 12:34 oleonard jcamins: Any opinion about how a 001 plugin should work? What kind of number it should generate? 12:32 jcamins Yes. 12:30 oleonard ....which I guess, if Koha isn't automatically filling 001, is correct? 12:29 oleonard My catalogers are all aflutter because in the latest upgrade, if 003 is already filled it doesn't put in the default value when you click the field 12:29 jcamins There are various cataloging plugins that do something along those lines. 12:28 jcamins oleonard: it doesn't, but it'd be really nice if it did. 12:16 oleonard (I Am Not A Cataloger) 12:16 oleonard IANAC 12:16 oleonard Is Koha supposed to automatically generate data in the 001 field for newly-created records? 12:13 eythian ho leopard. 12:09 oleonard Hi all 09:18 * cait waves 08:02 mveron Goedemorgen marcelr and eythian 07:59 marcelr hi eythian and mveron 07:43 mveron Good morning / daytime #koha 07:42 eythian Hi 07:15 marcelr hi gaetan_B 07:14 gaetan_B hello 06:21 marcelr hi #koha 00:59 kellym bye kidclamp 00:59 kidclamp bye kelly 00:59 kidclamp hi kelly 00:47 kellym hi tgoat 00:47 kellym hi kidclamp 00:47 kellym hi caboose 00:46 kellym hi rocio! jzairo and I are stuck at the airport