IRC log for #koha, 2017-02-02

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06:40 drojf hi #koha
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07:05 LibraryClaire morning #koha
07:05 * magnuzzz waves
07:05 magnuzzz ...and then wakes up
07:05 LibraryClaire hah
07:05 LibraryClaire morning magnuse
07:06 magnuse guten morgen BüchereiKlara
07:14 josef_moravec morning #koha
07:14 LibraryClaire hi josef_moravec
07:15 josef_moravec hi LibraryClaire
07:22 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:22 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Berlin, Germany is -6.5°C (8:18 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:22 drojf eeek
07:28 LibraryClaire moin drojf
07:28 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
07:28 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 4.7°C (8:23 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:30 drojf hi LibraryClaire
07:30 drojf you have like 10 more °. that's unfair
07:30 drojf 11 even
07:31 LibraryClaire wecome to the south
07:31 LibraryClaire we have light freezing fog
07:33 drojf you can keep that, i just want your °
07:33 drojf :P
07:36 drojf how is that fog freezing at ~5° anyway?
07:36 LibraryClaire i dunno, felt like wet fog to me
07:43 magnuse @wunder enbo
07:43 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
07:43 magnuse windchill--
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08:03 fridolin hie tehjre
08:03 fridolin last day for me in wintercamp, biers where realy good ;)
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08:04 LibraryClaire hey fridolin
08:04 wahanui somebody said fridolin was busy at the moment, I asked him to backport the bug fix
08:04 LibraryClaire what is wintercamp?
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08:12 reiveune hello
08:20 LibraryClaire hey reiveune
08:20 wahanui reiveune is working for biblibre
08:21 * LibraryClaire throws stick
08:21 LibraryClaire wahanui fetch
08:21 wahanui fetch is working for me tcohen
08:27 mtj ping drojf, abouty ?
08:28 drojf mtj: kind of
08:30 mtj hiya, have you played with prove -j 9 , when building packages?
08:33 drojf ot that i know. the build process runs the tests automatically, not sure what the parameters are
08:33 drojf *not
08:33 mtj we seem to get a nice speedup for building and test-suite, by running jobs in parallel
08:35 drojf thanks, i'll see what is in there and if i can tweak it
08:35 drojf *and see
08:35 drojf 9 is number of cores then?
08:36 mtj number of jobs
08:39 mtj i get the same time using 4 or 9 .. on a 4 core vm
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08:40 drojf yep i guess more than one job per core does not make it faster
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08:42 mtj prove -j 4 ./t  reduced from 126 to 30 secs
08:42 mtj ..seems promising :p
08:47 drojf indeed!
08:47 drojf i think the nightly server only has one core. but my build vm should have two, maybe 4 threads
08:50 magnuse mtj++ for that nugget of information
08:51 cait what are you guys talking about? :)
08:52 mtj perhaps speeding up the koha tests
08:52 mtj .would be handy for hudson builds and packages
08:53 mtj[…]-has-arrived.html
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08:54 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B
08:57 mtj[…]-in-parallel-perl
09:01 mtj[…]-superclass-tests
09:01 cait ah :)
09:05 mtj t/db_dependent/00-strict.t  (and similar) could be a big win for a parallel/threads tweak
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09:14 eythian hi
09:16 eythian @wunder ams
09:16 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Amsterdam, Netherlands is 7.0°C (9:55 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
09:16 eythian 100% humidity, and it doesn't even look foggy.
09:16 LibraryClaire hi eythian
09:17 LibraryClaire @wunder konstanz
09:17 huginn LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Mainaustraße, Konstanz, Germany is 5.2°C (10:13 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
09:17 eythian hello LibraryClaire
09:17 mtj prove -j 4  t/db_dependent reduced from 4m13, to 1m18
09:17 mtj hiya eythian :0)
09:18 mtj ..hows your rpi supercomputer project going?
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09:20 eythian mtj: no rpis involved!
09:20 eythian I need to do some more work on it though, still need to make a new kernel.
09:22 mtj you are using something similar to an rpi? .. or all virtual machines?
09:22 eythian <-- a pile of these
09:25 mtj woah.. amazing
09:38 mtj i think im gonna have to buy one myself eythian - a pocketchip
09:39 eythian yeah, they're kinda neat.
09:39 eythian though, it's probably worth putting a couple of regular chips into the order to make the shipping more worthwhile :)
09:40 mtj the guy who did pico8 is from nz
09:40 mtj yes ^
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10:24 marcelr hi #koha
10:26 eythian hoi marcelr
10:26 marcelr hi eythian
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11:02 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
11:02 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Berlin, Germany is -0.8°C (11:58 AM CET on February 02, 2017). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
11:08 marcelr hi drojf
11:15 marcelr thx Joubu++
11:16 Joubu marcelr: you are welcome!
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11:31 marcelr brb
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11:40 marcelr back
11:42 drojf coffee!
11:45 marcelr good idea
11:45 marcelr drojf: i have another sec bug for you ?
11:46 marcelr did you see it?
11:46 marcelr 18010
11:46 drojf i'll have a look
11:47 marcelr that would be great
11:52 drojf marcelr: t/db_dependent/Templates.t still fails for me with the second patch
11:52 marcelr let me look
11:54 marcelr which one exactly
11:54 marcelr my test passes
11:55 pastebot "drojf" at pasted "koha-koha@jessie:/home/mirko/k" (58 lines) at
11:56 drojf marcelr: ^
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11:59 Joubu pass for me
12:00 Joubu drojf: with the 2 patches applied?
12:00 Joubu (just in case ;))
12:00 drojf yes
12:01 marcelr current master?
12:01 drojf yes
12:01 drojf hm
12:01 drojf i ran it in koha-shell on a gitified vm
12:02 marcelr gsm
12:02 marcelr oops
12:02 drojf very short passwort
12:02 drojf d
12:02 marcelr no
12:03 Joubu you forgot x
12:03 marcelr ??
12:04 Joubu gms looks like regex modifiers, it is always better to have x as well
12:04 marcelr ah
12:05 marcelr drojf: it sounds like your path goes to the older can you check , add a debug warn or so
12:06 Joubu yes I do not understand how you can have a different behavior unless you are not using the patched files
12:06 drojf marcelr: ok, but i broke koha-common now so i got to fix that first
12:06 marcelr it must be the path
12:08 drojf can't install the nightly. interesting
12:09 marcelr drojf: any relation to <dev_install> suspected in koha-conf.xml ?
12:13 marcelr Joubu: about bug 15545 (hmm), would you mind passing qa on the second patch only when I just remove the call to IsHoldNoteRequired and leave it 0 as a first step ? second patch is also cleaning up the template
12:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Signed Off , Optionally make hold notes required when placing a hold (via Koha::Plugin)
12:15 Joubu marcelr: I'd prefer someone else to add QA stamp on this one, sorry
12:17 Joubu marcelr: please do not hate me
12:17 Joubu marcelr: ❤
12:18 Joubu :)
12:20 drojf marcelr: sorry nightly is broken and my dev vm and i don't have time to look into this atm because it will probably take forever, like everything in koha that looks like it can be tested in 5 minutes
12:20 * drojf sighs
12:20 drojf and burns the vm
12:20 drojf and the nightlies
12:20 drojf and blames trump
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12:38 tcohen hola #koha
12:43 LibraryClaire hola tcohen
12:44 marcelr hi LibraryClaire and tcohen
12:44 LibraryClaire hey marcelr
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12:49 * cait waves
12:49 drojf hi cait
12:49 tcohen hi cait drojf
12:50 drojf hi tcohen
12:50 oleonard Hi all
12:50 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
12:50 wahanui hi oleopard
12:50 * magnuse waves
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12:50 tcohen hi jenkins
12:52 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #102: ABORTED in 1 min 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/102/
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13:30 * oleonard too sleepy
13:31 edveal Hello
13:31 wahanui bonjour, edveal
13:33 * LibraryClaire waits for oleonard to fall asleep, marker pen at the ready
13:33 oleonard oi
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13:36 * cait better never falls aslep on the desk ...
13:37 LibraryClaire :)
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13:40 * oleonard waits for a mustache wax update from kidclamp
13:40 kidclamp things are all set oleonard, I refilled my two tins and about 5 chapstick tubes as an experiment - new wax is very beeswaxy
13:40 kidclamp thanks for asking
13:41 oleonard It was foremost in my mind.
13:41 * LibraryClaire had also wondered about this
13:42 * LibraryClaire considers growing a moustache
13:43 kidclamp it's a terrible addiction LibraryClaire, don't do it
13:45 oleonard Think of how much work kidclamp would get done if he weren't twirling his mustache menacingly all the time.
13:46 * LibraryClaire twirls imaginary moustache
13:46 kidclamp at this point oleonard I have to tie at least 1 person to railroad tracks a week or I don't feel right
13:46 oleonard Okay actually that looks good on you LibraryClaire, go for it.
13:47 LibraryClaire :D
13:47 LibraryClaire cait is shaking her head at me
13:47 cait nope please
13:47 wahanui nope is
13:48 LibraryClaire kidclamp I hope you have been practising your dastardly laugh too
13:48 kidclamp yeah, I hope to rival larryb someday - he has very villiany cats too
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13:58 drojf bye #koha
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14:11 kellym good morning!
14:11 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
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14:50 cait tcohen: around?
14:52 tcohen cait: sort of
14:52 tcohen whatsup
14:54 cait tcohen: koha-indexer
14:54 wahanui koha-indexer is a helper script for packages
14:54 cait when you reboot... it's gone? is that normal or are we missing something?
14:54 tcohen what about it
14:54 tcohen ah
14:55 tcohen look at /etc/init.d/koha-common
14:55 tcohen it calls something like
14:55 cait we are trying to activate it in 3.22 i shoudl say, but I haven't seen more work for later versions i think
14:55 tcohen koha-indexer --start $(koha-list --enabled)
14:55 tcohen ^^ that command is conditional to what you have in /etc/defaults/koha-common
14:56 cait sorry, trying to wrap my head around it
14:56 tcohen 91     if [ "$USE_INDEXER_DAEMON" = "yes" ]; then
14:56 tcohen 92         koha-indexer --restart --quiet $(koha-list --enabled)
14:56 tcohen 93     fi
14:57 tcohen that's for restarting
14:57 tcohen but it is the same
14:57 tcohen fro --start
14:57 tcohen koha-indexer is a shell script
14:57 tcohen that takes care of launching -d (daemonized)
14:57 cait ok, u. said he solved it :)
14:57 cait it seems we had to chagne do yes
14:57 cait in .default
14:57 cait coudl that be it?
14:58 tcohen if you don't change defaults/koha-common
14:58 tcohen then you need to do it manually
14:58 tcohen exactly
14:58 tcohen :-D
14:58 cait i've just tested it in our biggest library - it's wonderful
14:58 tcohen cait: it took you 2 years to trust me!
14:58 tcohen :-P
14:59 cait it still has the 'experimental' flag in our version :)
14:59 cait took me a while to persuade
15:00 tcohen heh
15:00 tcohen glad to hear
15:00 tcohen you managed to
15:02 cait has it ever died for you? or stable?
15:02 tcohen I never had it die
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15:16 kidclamp brb
15:18 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #103: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/103/
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15:40 reiveune bye
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15:49 rod hii
15:49 rod alguem do brasil??
15:49 andreashm hi all
15:50 tcohen rod: argentina?
15:50 andreashm tcohen: were you able to fix that issue with kohadevbox that was mentioned on devel?
15:51 rod I thought I would not find a server that still existed user
15:51 andreashm I had problems with mine, so I did a vagrant destroy and started a new one. had the same problem as the guy on the mailinglist. just tryig to continue with vagrant provision doesn't work, it creates more issues (now its Install testing dependencies (cpanm) that fails)
15:53 tcohen andreashm: that test deps step fails regularly
15:53 tcohen and is unrelated
15:53 tcohen just keep provisioning
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15:53 andreashm ok. but it stops the ansible playbook. how can I continue?
15:53 andreashm alright, back at it then!
15:53 andreashm =)
15:53 tcohen vagrant provision
15:53 tcohen :-D
15:54 tcohen I will provide the fix for kohadevbox ASAP once I finish something I'm stuck with :-(
15:54 * andreashm thinks it will take, oh, perhaps 6 provisions. =)
15:55 andreashm yay, it went past it!
15:55 andreashm thanks tcohen!
15:55 andreashm tcohen++
15:55 tcohen maybe while (not $(vagrant provision)) do skip; done
15:55 tcohen jaja
15:57 andreashm was there a meeting yesterday?
15:57 tcohen yes, a general meeting
15:57 wahanui i think a general meeting is 8 April 2015 at 19:00 UTC
15:57 tcohen wahanui: you are outdated
15:57 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot...|rumoured to be a sentient bot with sass|<reply> an extremely creepy stalker bot.... you have been warned|a parrot|<reply> wrong|<reply> on fire|<reply> gaining knowledge faster than sustainable|canadian|google|<reply> wahanui couldn't be bothered to show up|laser kiwi of the bo
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15:59 * andreashm goes looking through the logs
15:59 * andreashm misses all the meeting these days. sigh.
16:04 cait hey andre :)
16:04 cait hey andreashm :)
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16:07 andreashm hi cait!
16:07 andreashm what's up?
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16:08 Arianit Hi, Do Koha and Aleph talk to each other in any way? Would need to connect an Aleph and a Koha branch for example regarding ILL or being able to read what is in each other's catalog.  Is there documentation about this?
16:08 * andreashm is apparently very bad at writing SQL reports. Had one that accidently ran at our production server and created a 126 GB temp file, before the process was killed. =)
16:08 tcohen Arianit: 'talk' is too vague
16:13 andreashm I know its a big no-no to change the Default framework, but just hiding some fields shouldn't be a problem right? Just unchecking Editor for the fields we want hidden (from items/952), right?
16:15 magnuse andreashm: yeah, hiding should be ok
16:15 magnuse deleting things might have consequences
16:16 andreashm thanks magnuse!
16:16 andreashm hi btw! =)
16:16 Arianit tcohen: can they exchange data of any sort?
16:17 Arianit ideally would be considering each other as branches of a library system
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16:27 cait andreashm: we hide things there all the time - should ot give you any trouble :)
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16:40 andreashm cait: thanks!
16:42 andreashm bye #koha
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19:11 rangi morning
19:16 cait morning rangi
19:18 kidclamp hi rangi cat
19:19 eythian wahanui: rangi is not usually a cat
19:19 wahanui ...but rangi is <reply> I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!|<reply> I like cupcakes, cupcakes are good....
19:20 rangi heh
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19:22 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:25 kidclamp heh, oops
19:31 cait hi kidclamp ;)
19:32 kidclamp hi cait cat
19:32 mtompset Greetings, kidclamp cait
19:34 mtompset Have a great day, #koha cait kidclamp
19:36 * oleonard waves to rangi
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20:27 bag I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!|  hehe I still remember that - I can’t eat almonds without giggling about that
20:28 liw @wunder brussels
20:28 huginn liw: Error: No such location could be found.
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20:33 eythian liw: going to FOSDEM eh?
20:36 liw eythian, aya, are you?
20:40 eythian liw: no, but I should have. Will have to go next year.
20:41 liw eythian, I'm afraid I can't stay there to wait for you then, but you can always visit Finland during the summer
20:42 eythian Ah, you're back there? Maybe I should visit some time.
20:42 liw been back in fi since 2014 :)
20:42 liw but I rarely advertise my personal life in public
20:47 eythian I probably wasn't paying much attention, too :)
20:52 * wizzycray suddenly misses eythian very much
20:53 eythian wizzycray: going to FOSDEM won't help it turns out ;)
20:53 wizzycray ^.^
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22:13 Francesca hey wizzyrea if you're there
22:13 Francesca a question for you: if a book doesn't have a ISBN or ISSN do I catalog it?
22:14 Francesca I've got a couple up here with part numbers
22:14 wizzycray yep, you just leave that off
22:14 wizzycray of the record you create
22:15 Francesca k
22:15 Francesca thanks
22:19 Francesca also when a book/manual has many many authors for like different things ie writing, editing, project managment
22:19 Francesca do I include all on the record?
22:19 Francesca ^wizzyrea
22:19 wizzycray yeah, that's a special cataloguing case
22:19 wizzycray you don't have a ztarget record for it?
22:20 Francesca nope
22:20 wizzycray bleh.
22:20 Francesca yeah
22:20 wizzycray just bring it down with you
22:20 Francesca k
22:20 * Francesca moves on
22:25 Francesca wizzycray: another question sorry
22:26 Francesca what do I do with art/photography books
22:26 wizzycray I'll come up there ;)
22:26 Francesca ok
22:26 Francesca sorry
22:26 Francesca but thanks!
22:32 * dcook feels like Francesca is asking all the tough questions
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22:32 * Francesca waves at dcook
22:33 andreashm hi dcook!
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22:36 dcook heya andreashm and Francesca :)
22:36 Francesca sup
22:37 Francesca long time no see/speak
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22:39 dcook ikr?
22:39 dcook Mm busy busy
22:39 dcook Being a dad is awesome
22:39 dcook Time consuming but awesome
22:40 andreashm hehe
22:40 dcook How about you, Francesca? Cataloguing books?
22:40 Francesca yup
22:40 Francesca currently doing level 9
22:40 * andreashm is reading an e-mail from dcook, that he forgot to look at earlier.
22:41 dcook Level 9?
22:41 dcook andreashm: :D
22:41 Francesca dcook: I'm at work/catalyst
22:42 Francesca I'm up on lvl 9 cataloging their books
22:45 dcook Ahh, I figured that must be what you meant
22:45 dcook Although I thought maybe you meant the encoding level of the cataloguing!
22:45 dcook[…]hic/bdleader.html
22:45 Francesca lol nope
22:45 dcook But 8 is as high as it goes!
22:45 wizzycray ha, no
22:45 dcook (or as low as it goes I guess)
22:46 andreashm The power of level 9!
22:46 dcook One of these days, I'll have to come and visit the Catalyst office in Wellington!
22:46 Francesca you should!
22:46 dcook Actually, I could visit the one in Sydney. I think I met someone from there a while ago..
22:46 andreashm dcook: or come to europe! =)
22:46 Francesca ohh europe
22:46 dcook andreashm: I love that idea
22:46 Francesca where abouts in europe?
22:46 Francesca I'll come too
22:46 dcook Francesca: andreashm is in Sweden :)
22:46 dcook Or... was?
22:46 andreashm Sweden originally, Switzerland at the moment.
22:46 dcook Actually, where are you located these days? You seem to often be hoping around
22:47 dcook Ahh
22:47 dcook Permanent relocation?
22:47 andreashm yes, was. wil be back in august though (probably)
22:47 dcook ahh
22:47 andreashm will
22:47 dcook Whereabouts in Switzerland?
22:47 Francesca Switzerland and Sweden are pretty cool places
22:47 * Francesca has never been
22:47 * dcook likes Switzerland but has never been to Sweden..
22:47 andreashm Sion, in Valais (south-west, French speaking)
22:48 dcook Interesting location. There for family?
22:49 andreashm My wife has a post doc position here.
22:49 andreashm Me and the family is tagging along.
22:50 dcook Ahh. Very cool :)
22:51 andreashm Yup. Have had a nice time here, but am looking forward to coming home now.
22:51 dcook I know the feeling. It was good visiting Canada, but it's nice being back in Australia.
22:52 Francesca ohhh canada
22:52 Francesca I like canada
22:52 Francesca my stepfather is canadian
22:52 Francesca we had christmas there one year and it was awesome
22:53 andreashm nice
22:53 dcook I really like Christmas in Canada :)
22:53 dcook Fortunately, we missed the -40 weather by a few days
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22:53 andreashm lucky there!
22:53 andreashm Where in Canada?
22:53 dcook And now my wife has had her first white Christmas, I think she might want it to be her last :p
22:54 dcook andreashm: Saskatchewan
22:54 wahanui rumour has it Saskatchewan is warmer than the East for once
22:54 * dcook wonders who wrote that..
22:54 andreashm =)
22:54 * andreashm is innocent
22:54 Francesca Saskatchewan is a cool name
22:55 dcook Hmm looks like I said something about this in 2013..
22:56 andreashm Pretty far north
22:57 andreashm unless you where right by the us border I guess. =)
22:58 dcook Francesca:[…]tchewan#Etymology
22:58 dcook andreashm: I guess we were still fairly south. Probably... 6 hours from the border?
22:58 andreashm I take that back!
22:58 Francesca ohh cool link
22:58 dcook Looks like we were the bottom 1/3 :p
22:59 dcook Most Canadians live quite close to the US border really
23:00 dcook There are some interesting town names in Saskatchewan as well..
23:00 dcook I always found this one odd:[…]har,_Saskatchewan
23:00 dcook Although looking at the link, now I know why it has that name!
23:00 dcook Lots of Scandinavian immigrants in Saskatchewan actually
23:01 dcook One of my family branches came from Norway
23:02 dcook For sci fi nerds:
23:02 dcook[…]our,_Saskatchewan
23:02 dcook,_Saskatchewan
23:02 dcook[…]dezvous_with_Rama
23:03 dcook The proximity of the towns Endeavour and Rama is surely coincidental with the space ships Rama and Endeavour in the novel Rendezvous with Rama. But it's a coincidence that tickles me.
23:03 dcook </trivia>
23:03 Francesca lol
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