IRC log for #koha, 2016-08-09

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01:43 tcohen hi
01:51 wizzyrea hi tcohen
01:51 wizzyrea are you around for a lil bit?
01:51 tcohen hi wizzyrea, yes
01:52 wizzyrea so I just used the ansible devbox for the first time, and I'm wondering if it's normal that you have to provision like 3 times before it works?
01:52 wizzyrea afaik I followed the instructions lol
01:52 tcohen you need to do it twice actually
01:52 tcohen :-D
01:53 wizzyrea >.< really?!
01:53 tcohen i haven't found why recent Test::DBIx::Class fails to build the first time
01:53 wizzyrea YES. that's exactly it ok I'm not losing my mind :D
01:53 tcohen it is a bit recent
01:53 wizzyrea race of some kind?
01:53 tcohen no, you are not
01:53 tcohen i think it is bad dependencies
01:53 tcohen (inside Test::DBIx::Class)
01:54 tcohen so they get installed later, and the next run is ok
01:54 tcohen I haven't had the time to spend on it
01:54 wizzyrea yeah sok I was just like, is this really how this is supposed to go :)
01:55 tcohen besides that, did you like it? :-D
01:55 tcohen pull requests for improving it are welcome
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01:56 tcohen wizzyrea: do u have experience in setting LDAP in Koha?
01:56 tcohen LDAP authentication
01:56 wizzyrea a bit yeah
01:56 wizzyrea i wouldn't call myself an expert
01:56 wizzyrea but I have done it :)
01:57 tcohen
01:57 tcohen why do i get that :-D
01:57 wizzyrea extended borrower attributes on?
01:57 wizzyrea i can't recall if we fixed that bug.
01:58 tcohen i disabled most of the mappings
01:58 tcohen i'm just testing against a replica of a production LDAP
01:58 tcohen to figure how the authentication would work
01:58 tcohen and just need it to compare passwords, or auth by bind
01:59 tcohen i'm not sure what people tend to use
01:59 wizzyrea most of ours are auth by bind
01:59 wizzyrea can you ldapsearch from the command line?
01:59 wizzyrea from your koha to your ldap?
02:00 tcohen yes, but VPN connexion would kick me out of IRC :-D
02:00 tcohen I can
02:00 wizzyrea I'd have you paste me your config but that might be awkward
02:01 tcohen no problem actually
02:01 wizzyrea like this sort of thing ldapsearch -H ldaps://  -s base -x  -w "" -d 1 does stuff?
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02:39 wizzyrea is your zebra running?
02:39 wizzyrea aw I thought wahanui said something funny for that.
02:39 wizzyrea zebra
02:39 wizzyrea zebra?
02:39 wahanui zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses
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03:01 mtompset Greetings, #koha
03:05 mtompset Any experience a loss of facets displayed using 3.22.09?
03:05 mtompset ^Any^Anyone^
03:05 tcohen 'loss of facets displayed'?
03:06 wizzyrea yeah gonna have to be specific there
03:08 mtompset specific: "Where are the facets... it's blank!"
03:09 mtompset tonnes of search results.
03:09 wizzyrea :) that's pretty specific
03:09 mtompset I know the $facets is empty for some reason, but I haven't tried to trace it deeper.
03:10 wizzyrea is this an old install?
03:10 wizzyrea like an upgraded one
03:10 mtompset We upgraded...
03:10 mtompset can't remember from what to what.
03:10 wizzyrea ah, do you ahve use zebra facets enabled in your koha-conf?
03:10 wizzyrea or do you have the pref at all
03:11 wizzyrea tcohen would know more about that
03:11 mtompset Hmmm... from 3.18.x if I recall.
03:11 mtompset Oh... missing xml entries?
03:11 wizzyrea <use_zebra_facets>1</use_zebra_facets>
03:11 wizzyrea something like this
03:11 mtompset let me check....
03:12 mtompset Yes, that exists in the koha-conf.
03:12 mtompset And the system information tab in the about mentions no warnings.
03:12 wizzyrea is it 1 or 0?
03:12 mtompset 1.
03:12 wizzyrea try 0?
03:13 mtompset let there be facets!
03:14 wizzyrea now mind you
03:14 wizzyrea I don't know why the zebra facets are busted but
03:14 wizzyrea I'm sure you will track that down :)
03:14 rangi switch it back on
03:14 rangi and do a full zebra reindex
03:14 mtompset I did a full reindex
03:14 rangi it doesnt build the facets in zebra unless you have it switched on
03:15 mtompset It was 1.
03:15 rangi 3.22.08 is working fine with zebra facets for me
03:15 mtompset turning it to 0 gave me facets.
03:15 rangi it will, but the old ones
03:16 mtompset At this point in time, I'll take it.
03:16 tcohen mtompset: its because you are still using a GRS-1 configunraiton
03:16 rangi you also need to make sure its using DOM
03:16 rangi yeah
03:16 rangi and you don't want to be doing that
03:16 mtompset steps to check that?
03:17 tcohen best is, create a fresh new instance, move the apache config and load a DB dump. period :-D
03:17 mtompset koha-conf says dom.
03:17 tcohen really?
03:17 wahanui really is more trouble than she's worth.
03:17 mtompset Wasn't dom default for 3.18?
03:18 wizzyrea i've had this happen with conversions too :/
03:18 wizzyrea it's easier, in most cases
03:18 wizzyrea to get a 3.22 to generate a koha-conf and replace the relevant entries/passwords
03:18 wizzyrea much easier to get those right than to hack in DOM support
03:19 tcohen sorry but I need to leave
03:19 mtompset no problem...
03:19 tcohen talk tomorrow mtompset, good luck!
03:19 mtompset Thanks for some ideas.
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03:41 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea rangi
03:43 wizzyrea later
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05:25 cait @oleonard could you take another look at bug 10848  maybe?
05:25 huginn cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes
05:25 cait @later tell oleonard could youtake another look at bug10848 maybe?
05:25 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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05:40 * magnuse waves
05:59 * cait waves
06:12 magnuse \o/
06:12 * magnuse forgot to upgrade the production server last night...
06:23 dcook magnuse: This is why we can't have nice things :p
06:24 magnuse ?
06:27 dcook You forgot to upgrade the production server
06:27 dcook I assume it's a nice thing?
06:27 * dcook was just trying to be funny...
06:27 dcook :p
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06:42 magnuse wb cait
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07:02 morgane hi #koha !
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07:08 gaetan_B hello
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07:32 fridolin hie
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08:01 cait good morning #koha
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09:04 morgane morning cait! I finally received my wiki logs ! Now I have three accounts on the wiki :p do you know what happened?
09:19 eythian never rains but it pours eh
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09:30 drojf hi #koha
09:32 cait morgane: no idea - you got the email from days ago?
09:34 morgane cait: I received all of them yesturday but the date on it is the 22nd of jully
09:34 morgane for my two emails
09:35 morgane s/jully/july
09:35 cait sounds like something was stuck somewhere
09:35 cait interesting
09:35 wahanui i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
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10:15 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6499: [QA Follow-up] Trivial adjustments <[…]f6c83894718be603d> / Bug 6499: Add Zebra index "Other-control-number" covering MARC21 035$a, 035$z and... <[…]febb472946ca2b71c>
10:17 drojf bug 15200 is the last one needed to get true nightly master builds
10:17 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15200 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot
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10:30 Tylathos hey folks
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10:53 magnuse drojf++
11:01 drojf hei magnuse
11:02 magnuse moin drojf
11:05 drojf @later tell eythian is there a reason why the version numbers from are not automatically set in debian/control?
11:05 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:07 eythian drojf: not really, except that the perl package version style doesn't always match the cpan version style, so you'll need to be aware of those cases (there shouldn't be many, but I have seen it before.) Otherwise, just laziness :)
11:09 drojf eythian: ok. my laziness told me that i don't want to add more expections for required versions by hand. if i have to add them for the package version, it would not be much win :P but i'll have a look
11:11 eythian sure, I think it would be a good addition. I also wanted to add the non-required ones as "recommended"
11:12 drojf yeah makes sense
11:12 drojf there is even a $ver in list-deps, it is just not used
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11:41 oleonard Hi all
11:45 Tylathos hi oleonard :)
11:55 * cait waves at oleonard
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12:11 drojf hi oleonard and cait
12:12 cait hi drojf
12:12 cait drojf humansnack gluten free cookie
12:12 cait heh
12:12 drojf :D
12:14 drojf eythian: blindly trying with version number gave me 3 (out of a million or how many we have) that were not found. does not look to bad
12:14 drojf *too
12:14 eythian better than I expected
12:18 drojf the only one that looks really off is liburi-perl >=3.31 vs actual 1.64-1
12:21 drojf and it is 1.71 on cpan. i guess that is just wrong
12:22 drojf ok
12:23 drojf it's URI::Escape 3.31. which comes with liburi-perl
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12:37 drojf magnuse: do we actually need ibtest-www-mechanize-perl 1.44 and not 1.42 which is in wheezy and jessie?
12:38 magnuse dunno
12:39 drojf you have to! you added it only 3 years ago :P
12:40 oleonard Don't ask me about anything oleonard from 3 years ago did. That guy was an idiot.
12:40 magnuse i did?
12:40 magnuse what he said :-)
12:40 drojf marcelr did it first apparently. you redid the patch
12:40 drojf @later tell marcelr do we actually need ibtest-www-mechanize-perl 1.44 and not 1.42 which is in wheezy and jessie?
12:40 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
12:40 drojf magnuse: you're off the hook. for now :P
12:41 magnuse phew
12:41 drojf bug 8300
12:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Koha should have mechanized testing suite
12:42 drojf from that comment i'd assume that it was fine with whatever was in whatever debian or ubuntu people used in 2012 https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ug.cgi?id=8300#c4
12:43 huginn Bug 8300: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, Koha should have mechanized testing suite
12:43 drojf i'm tempted to set it to 1.42 and wait for someone to complain
12:45 eythian assuming it's only used for testing, that's what I'd do
12:45 eythian people will have been using it with the older version for years now
12:45 * Tylathos complaining just for drojf ^^
12:46 drojf 1.44 was the latest version on cpan when marcelr added the dep
12:46 drojf 1.44    Sat Jun 30 20:32:04 CDT 2012
12:46 drojf ------------------------------------
12:46 drojf There is no new functionality in this release.
12:46 drojf [FIXES]
12:46 drojf Fixed test failures on Win32.  Thanks, Jerry Gay.
12:47 drojf so long, 1.44
12:47 Tylathos This is so typical for a cpan modul :D
12:48 eythian drojf: that's probably also why 1.44 hasn't been backported into Debian, no practical changes.
12:48 drojf yes
12:48 eythian s/backported into/upgraded in/
12:48 drojf we can talk about it once somebody does koha-win :P
12:50 Tylathos WWW::YouTube::Download <== Why do koha need this modul?
12:50 oleonard We should have a bug-squashing day just for cleaning up the 'Failed QA' list. 259 bugs long.
12:51 oleonard Tylathos: I think it's for embedding video
12:51 oleonard Bug 14168
12:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , enhance streaming cataloging to include youtube
12:52 Tylathos that sound funnys :)
12:53 eythian <-- drojf, don't forget to get some language practice in before you visit here or you won't know what's going on anywhere
12:56 drojf bug 17087
12:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17087 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Set Test::WWW::Mechanize version to 1.42
12:57 drojf easiest signoff ever
12:57 drojf Tylathos: of course it does, i wrote it :P
12:57 drojf eythian: oh cool
12:58 drojf eythian: are you doing that?
13:07 eythian I thought I might
13:07 eythian 3 weeks at 3 hours per week, it's not a huge time investment (which is good as I'll have Dutch classes at the same time.)
13:10 oleonard Learning two languages simultaneously sounds very confusing.
13:10 drojf yeah tempting. i would be interested. not sure if i will actually have time
13:11 oleonard jajm around?
13:12 eythian oleonard: well, one's a language that I'm already familiar with but need practice in certain areas, the other is a very introductory course. Hopefully they won't conflict in my head :)
13:13 drojf for me it's like 1) german 2) english 3) all other languages i ever looked at
13:13 drojf sometimes 1-3 go together too
13:14 eythian I just like the idea of it as being the language most close to English that's in use. And the other close-to-it language is the one I'm studying anyway :)
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13:23 drojf eythian: it's during 3 weeks where i will be on a northern frisian (!) island, then marseille, then maschinenfest. with virtually no home time in between. might be complicated
13:24 drojf makes sense to learn frisian while in the area though :D
13:24 eythian that does sound like awkward timing.
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13:37 tcohen bonjour
13:38 drojf hi tcohen
13:40 tcohen hey drojf
13:41 eythian drojf: no, you mean "hoi tcohen", did you learn nothing from that course?
13:41 drojf i have not even started yet!
13:41 drojf :P
13:42 eythian next you should try "Myn hovercraft sit fol mei iel"
13:42 drojf lol
13:42 tcohen is that greek?
13:44 tcohen is bugzilla running in plack?
13:44 tcohen :-)
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13:46 magnuse my hovercraft is full of eels?
13:48 eythian magnuse: Luftputebåten min er full av ål, yes
13:48 magnuse :-)
13:48 * magnuse gotta run
13:48 eythian well, there's eels
13:48 eythian so you should probably do something about that.
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14:18 Tylathos Test
14:18 Tylathos ah now
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15:04 mveron Hi again #koha
15:05 mveron cait: Regarding "Bitte geben Sie eine Nummer ein": I can reproduce with de-DE, but with de-CH it works
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15:17 cait mveron: interesting
15:17 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
15:17 cait mveron: i wonder what happened there
15:19 mveron cait: Strange enough, with en, if I give a wrong number like 5xxx98, it says "Bitte geben Sie eine Nummer ein" as well (in German). Maybe it's a Firefox thing.
15:19 * mveron digs the differences between de-DI an dde-CH
15:20 cait yeah my guess was something html5 field validation too
15:20 cait what happens when you try to enter with , in de-CH?
15:28 drojf eythian tcohen: i built and installed a package with it, seems to work ok so far. bug 17092
15:28 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=17092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, ASSIGNED , Generate debian/control with version numbers from
15:28 eythian nice
15:29 drojf libfile-slurp-perl (>=9999.13) <- that looks fishy. but debian actually has that :D
15:33 drojf could someone take a look at bug 15200 please?
15:33 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15200 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , t/Creators.t fails when using build-git-snapshot
15:34 drojf mveron: i have seen a few "Signed-off-by: Marc <>". is your last name missing un purpose or by accident?
15:35 drojf *on
15:36 mveron drojf: Per accident, I'm on a new VM.  I was not aware of, changed settings today. Next commit should be OK.
15:37 mveron drojf: Thanks anyway for the hint :-)
15:49 mveron cait: Found. If I set the Koha language to de-DE and then, with firebug, set HTML source from <html lang="de-DE"> to <html lang="en">, the field accepts bouth 5.50 and 5,50
15:50 mveron Same if I give the input field an language attribute: lang="en"
15:50 cait ah that makes sense
15:51 cait does it not recognize de-CH or is it just ok with . there?
15:51 cait because i think you use ' for the 100.000?
15:51 cait 100'000?
15:51 mveron We use . as decimal separator  it makses sense. But it accepts comma as well.
15:51 gaetan_B bye
15:52 cait mveron: hm ok, so we change all the displays to Price.. and then we do whtever we did there and will be fine? :)
15:52 cait and then the only thing we need to figure out still is the question of how to show the currency symbol
15:54 mveron 100'000.90 works (with de-CH), but not with de-DE (needs 100'000,90)
15:54 * mveron tests with credits , not with invoices - will soon be a rich man, virtually.
15:54 cait heh
15:55 mveron cait: You can do the same :-)
15:55 cait i don't trust the credits
15:56 mveron It's my own test libray, so it well be even...
15:57 Joubu mveron: Are you working on prices formatting all around the interface?
15:57 mveron Cait: Regarding the format: Yes, I think it will be the best bet to change to Price.
15:57 mveron Joubu: Just was testing the weird de-DE thing with number format.
16:02 cait Joubu: the new entry field for manual fines reacts to your browser locale
16:02 cait requires me to use a comma when german is selected
16:02 cait mveron verified
16:02 cait mveron++
16:02 mveron :-)
16:05 morgane bye #koha
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16:13 mveron cait, Joubu: What to do? - Replace input fields of type "number" or give them a language attribute lang="en" ?
16:13 mveron (the latter seems to work with , and with .  as decimal separator)
16:14 cait hm might cause problems if you enter the thousands separator
16:14 Joubu mveron: sorry no idea, I did not follow the discussion
16:14 mveron cait: nor sure, I will test with en
16:14 mveron not
16:14 cait thx again
16:15 cait i got not much timr right now :(
16:22 mveron cait: with lang="en", thousand separators space and ' are a problem, comma works
16:22 mveron cait: I will file a bug (later) to document the findings
16:24 cait thx a lot
16:26 * drojf spreads confusion on the bug tracker
16:26 drojf that packaging thing is becoming a full time hobby :P
16:28 * liw waves a little "packaging is fun" flag from a galaxy far, far away
16:30 drojf heh hi liw
16:30 drojf i have not even started taking over the maintenance of eythian#s stuff
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16:48 eythian drojf: to be fair, it took me forever to do that from liw
16:57 drojf heh
16:58 drojf it would probably also take forever to check if we still need all of them
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17:04 Tylathos HEy folks
17:12 eythian drojf: yeah. Especially if they have automatic imports. Though I bet that's a solved problem.
17:13 drojf there are still some weird things going on in tests
17:13 drojf apart from that i think we have proper declaration of dependencies
17:14 drojf so in theory it should be possible to git grep for all the stuff in the deps file and see what is not there
17:16 cait @marc 513b
17:16 huginn cait: unknown tag 513b
17:17 cait @marc 513$b
17:17 huginn cait: unknown tag 513$b
17:17 cait hmm
17:17 cait @marc 513 b
17:17 huginn cait: Period covered
17:17 cait that's not a lot fo info huginn
17:17 drojf lol
17:17 cait just saying
17:18 eythian drojf: you assume people remove unneeded 'use' declarations
17:18 eythian Which I fancy is unwarranted
17:18 drojf eythian: ha yeah
17:18 drojf i think you are tight
17:18 drojf right
17:20 cait hm wonder if i can just put that with 260
17:20 cait c
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18:04 oleonard I would think that course reserves functionality would require that you be able to assign patrons to the course
18:05 oleonard Or is it not intended that items in a course reserve be checked out only to students in the course?
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19:42 * cait waves
19:44 * kidclamp waves
19:47 Tylathos Have a good night :)
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19:54 andreashm hi #koha
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20:06 rangi morning
20:08 andreashm evening
20:08 drojf evening
20:42 andreashm why isn't there a "select all" function when you do a cataloging search?
20:44 * cait waves
20:44 cait andreashm: hm? for merging?
20:44 andreashm yup
20:45 andreashm for when you like me, mistakenly have imported a lot of duplicate records. =)
20:45 andreashm (ok, I'm just whining...)
20:47 cait heh
20:47 cait can you undo?
20:47 cait your import i mean
20:47 andreashm yeah, but same issue there. 240 batches of the same record. =)
20:48 andreashm any ideas for an easy way to get biblio-numbers so I can batch delete?
20:48 andreashm a report, is the only idea I have.
20:51 andreashm (And yes, before you think I'm a total moron, I've been testing the OAI-PMH harvester, record matching rules and repeated harvests of the same record)
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21:40 wizzyrea hi
21:46 wizzyrea I think bugzilla needs a "like comment" thing
21:46 wizzyrea a thing that doesn't send an email, but lets people know that you've seen their comment and you approve.
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21:47 wizzyrea (and no dislike because you should have to justify why you think a thing is bad with a comment.)
21:47 * wizzyrea sing the package building song
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