IRC log for #koha, 2016-05-18

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00:00 cait we will have a lot of fun with you in Berlin then :)
00:00 eythian @later tell wizzyrea I do! but I was away at WGT!
00:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:00 cait did you have a good time?
00:01 eythian cait: je zal.
00:01 eythian I did, it was good fun
00:01 cait ?
00:01 eythian lots of good bands
00:01 cait :)
00:01 eythian (je zal =~ you shall)
00:02 eythian @later tell rangi that is... something else!
00:02 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:05 cait ok
00:05 cait kohastructure.sql actually completes
00:05 cait but it doesn't bring you to the step to install the sample data
00:05 cait just shows the error... and you can#t go anywhere after the kohastructure step
00:06 cait no fun
00:06 cait and i have locked myself out of bugzilla with too many login attempts :(
00:07 * Francesca waves
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00:32 eythian @later tell rangi want to smuggle me some? ;)
00:32 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:43 wizzyrea :D
00:43 wizzyrea I have some of that in my fridge.
00:53 rangi eythian: will try to, it's really nice
00:53 rangi do you still have google play music?
00:54 eythian rangi: sweet :)
00:54 eythian I do
00:54 eythian actually, still tied to my NZ CC. Need to fix that.
00:54 rangi checked out youtube lately? the new youtube red you get with it is pretty sweet, no ads
00:55 eythian uBlcok stops the ads for me, but I still get them on my phone
00:55 rangi you shouldn't now, if you are logged into the same account as google play, new thing they just started
00:55 rangi and they dropped the price too
00:56 eythian ah, interesting
00:56 eythian > Je hebt al YouTube Red
00:56 eythian apparently I do have it
00:56 rangi :)
00:57 rangi and yep if jmpc can get me your stuff by friday, ill bring it with me
01:03 eythian sweet
01:05 * eythian goes to bed
01:05 eythian later all
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03:36 * Oak waves
03:37 Oak hello wizzyrea !
03:37 wizzyrea hi oak :)
03:37 Oak :)
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06:19 * magnuse waves
06:19 magnuse @wunder boo
06:19 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 1.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
06:20 magnuse s/Light Rain/Snow/
06:21 * irma waves back to magnuse
06:23 * cait waves
06:26 * irma waves slightly less to the North (a bit more to North but South/East) to cait ;-)
06:31 cait :)
06:31 cait irma - are you or BobB coming to KohaCon?
06:32 BobB hi cait, sadly we are not coming to KohaCon this year
06:32 liw @wunder helsinki
06:32 huginn liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 12.0°C (9:20 AM EEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
06:32 cait oh :(
06:32 cait we will miss you
06:32 cait the map shows someone australia - so i was hoping
06:33 cait
06:33 BobB it will be very sad not to be there, two KohaCons in a row
06:33 BobB glad to hear that someone from Australia is going
06:33 liw hm, I'm going to the hackfest after kohacon, I should possibly register somewhere
06:35 BobB cait the aussie might be Alvet from EBSCO
06:35 cait ah, yeah that would make sense
06:35 BobB we see that Mary-Clare Ames from New Caledonia is presenting ....
06:35 BobB do you know if she is attending?
06:36 BobB anyway, watch out for her and make her welcome (I know you will) :)
06:36 cait let me check the schedule quickly
06:37 cait hm, which presentation is hers?
06:38 BobB Secretariat of the South Pacific, I don't recall the title
06:38 cait aah i found it
06:38 cait Ame on the pdf
06:38 cait that's why my search didn't work :)
06:39 cait Working with KOHA : the pacific experience
06:39 BobB it does not say by video, so she's probably attending
06:39 BobB very experienced librarian doing great work in her region
06:40 cait we have been told that the presentations will be reocorded
06:40 BobB cool, we can catch up :)
06:40 cait not sure if live streamed too - but hopefully you might be able to watch her presentation later then at least
06:40 cait i know they talked about streaming it to another room, as so many peopl ehave registered
06:41 cait a bit too many for the room they booked even :)
06:41 BobB wow, that's excellent
06:42 cait i think 175 for the room and  250 registered? I hope i got the numbers right, the irc meeting minutes know the truth :)
06:42 cait i have to get to work - hope you 2 are well and we get to see each other again soon, maybe next year
06:42 BobB will chat soon cait, best wishes
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06:45 Oak magnuse
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06:50 reiveune hello
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06:59 alex_a bonjour
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07:15 * magnuse waves again
07:21 sophie_m hello #koha and magnuse
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07:24 fridolin hie there
07:24 cait hi all
07:45 Oak Guten tag cait
07:52 cait hi Oak :)
07:55 Oak :)
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09:13 cait ping drojf
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10:31 fridolin Q for geeks : which Cloud do you use or advice for files and pictures ?
10:32 fridolin I've been looking at OwnCloud wich seems sexy : Website + DAV access + Android app + Pluggins + Synch client for Windows
10:53 eythian fridolin: I run owncloud, it does a good job. I also saw people playing with seafile at catalyst, but I haven't used it myself.
10:55 fridolin eythian: thanks for your answer. Seafile is good, we use is for pro, but its misses something for pictures i think
10:55 fridolin its more for collaborativ work
10:56 fridolin eythian: do you run owncloud v9 ?
10:56 eythian 8 at this stage, just because I haven't upgraded.
10:56 eythian upgrading it might be a task for today actually.
10:57 eythian you can have multiple accounts and share stuff between them and so on, though I haven't done that myself, I just use it as a personal syncing thing.
10:58 eythian it apparently will also federate with other owncloud instances, but again I haven't tried.
11:12 * magnuse has owncloud on his todo list
11:34 eythian IIRC it's very easy
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11:43 oleonard Hi #koha
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11:50 drojf hi #koha
11:53 cait fridolin: i use owncloud, with ubuntu and windows- happy with it
11:53 cait drojf: around?
11:53 oleonard Hi drojf and cait
11:53 cait hi oleonard :)
11:53 drojf cait: i was 3 minutes ago
11:54 drojf but not for long ;)
11:54 drojf organizy stuff to do. why?
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11:54 cait becasue of the organizy stuff :)
11:55 cait i just wanted to ask you to send out something about technical requirements
11:55 drojf what do you need for kohadevbox? a computer?
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11:56 cait yep
11:56 cait and probably the right to install something
11:56 oleonard A computer which isn't running Mac or Windows?
11:56 cait yeah that
11:56 cait or a virtualbox?
11:56 drojf i dont know anything about kohadevbox. so its linux only?
11:56 drojf i thought it just works everywhere. maybe you should send me an email about the requirements :D
11:57 cait how would i know? .)
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11:57 cait but a computer seems a reasonable minimum
11:57 cait also for the cadmandu workshop
11:57 drojf lol. somebody has to try that thing before wednesday
11:57 cait i remember the last time i went to one they required virtualbox
11:57 cait to run the provided image in
11:58 cait we can do package + gitified too...
11:58 cait but still need some linux
11:59 oleonard package + gitified is not great if you have to run tests
11:59 cait ah
11:59 cait i still like my git setup... but youcan't install koha currently on ubuntu 16.04 - which is the new LTS...
11:59 cait so i got a new laptop with no koha right now :(
12:00 drojf why cant you install it on 16.04?
12:00 cait mysql
12:00 cait 5.7
12:00 drojf that is… too old, too new, too what?
12:00 cait it's more secure i guess
12:00 cait one sec
12:01 cait https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13669
12:01 huginn Bug 13669: blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Web installer fails on MySQL 5.6 and .7
12:01 cait and here https://bugs.koha-community.or[…].cgi?id=16402#c20
12:01 huginn Bug 16402: critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , DB structure cannot be loaded in MySQL 5.7
12:03 drojf uh awesome, we should fix that at some hackfest
12:03 cait we should fix that before release
12:03 cait ... i want to have a koha for the hackfest!
12:03 drojf ah right release is day 2 of the hackfest
12:03 drojf more or less, depending on tz
12:04 drojf you can di slides for the hackfest instead
12:04 drojf slides?
12:04 drojf hm
12:04 cait hmpf
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12:07 fridolin yep, OwnCloud it will be then,
12:08 fridolin i try to avoid free clouds like Google Drive and Dropbox, use opensource seft-hosted
12:08 cait fridolin: mine is a 'one-click-installation' with my hosting provider... so won't be helpfulthere - but works nice
12:09 fridolin cait: yep
12:09 cait yeah me too, - i don't use dropbox and similar at all
12:09 fridolin I'm trying to get inside the code with a git install
12:09 fridolin works fine for v9.1
12:10 fridolin Android app was mandotory for me I will try it
12:10 fridolin its not free but less than 1€
12:25 eythian fridolin: the android app is fine, and improving fairly regularly
12:26 fridolin yep nice
12:26 fridolin i've added the Gallery App v9.1, very nice
12:26 fridolin thats exaclty what I wanted
12:27 fridolin for me and my familly who produces a lot of (private) pictures
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12:30 * magnuse wants to go and install owncloud now
12:33 tcohen morning #koha
12:33 tcohen
12:33 tcohen magnuse ^^^
12:34 * tcohen loves owncloud too :-D
12:43 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
12:43 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 9.7°C (9:40 AM ART on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
12:45 magnuse yeah, i want one for my company and one for my private stuff, i think
12:45 magnuse @wunder boo
12:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
12:45 magnuse it was snowing an hour ago
12:45 tcohen :-D
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13:10 Joubu tcohen: any ideas how we could fix bug 13669?
13:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Web installer fails to load sample data on MySQL 5.6+
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13:31 drojf B<FIXME:> there has been a long-standing desire to
13:31 drojf replace this with an SQL loader that goes
13:31 drojf through DBI; partly for portability issues
13:31 drojf and partly to improve error handling.
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14:24 Joubu drojf: what does it mean? What is an "SQL loader"?
14:25 Joubu well, I think I know what an "SQL loader" does, but AFAIC it's not possible to source a file using DBI
14:25 Joubu and I don't know any modules doing that
14:26 drojf Joubu: i have no idea :) but it's in the file. git blame says Andrew Elwell, i have no idea who that is
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14:42 eythian fridolin: now I have owncloud v9 :)
14:42 eythian looks just like v8, tbh
14:47 fridolin but with +1 LOL
14:50 fridolin eythian: do you use the Gallery App ?
14:51 eythian I don't
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14:52 bag morning
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14:57 fridolin see u
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15:09 tcohen Joubu: yes!
15:09 tcohen i got distracted
15:09 tcohen i was looking at this:
15:09 tcohen[…]
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15:12 pianohacker yo
15:12 tcohen hi pianohacker
15:13 pianohacker hi tcohen
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15:13 * oleonard wants to lobby for the inclusion of Bug 16400 in the upcoming release
15:13 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons
15:14 * oleonard realizes this would be breaking the rules
15:15 kidclamp bag is a maverick
15:16 * tcohen would support oleonard
15:24 drojf smash the system, no rules!
15:27 eythian @later tell rangi
15:27 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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16:05 drojf @later tell cait more than "bring a laptop + virtualbox"?
16:05 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
16:11 tcohen Joubu: around?
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16:23 reiveune bye
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19:07 drojf evening
19:07 eythian Yep.
19:08 drojf isn't that convenient that we have the same time of day now?
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19:10 eythian I feel stuck in the past
19:12 drojf lol
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19:13 tcohen hi
19:14 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
19:14 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.0°C (4:10 PM ART on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling).
19:14 bag @wunder portland or
19:14 huginn bag: The current temperature in Portland - West Hills, Portland, Oregon is 20.6°C (12:14 PM PDT on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
19:15 bag 20 - now that is nice :D
19:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
19:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (8:50 PM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
19:15 drojf @wunder thessaloniki
19:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 16.0°C (9:50 PM EEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
19:15 drojf woah come on greece
19:15 tcohen wooooo
19:16 eythian @wunder ams
19:16 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 12.3°C (9:12 PM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
19:16 eythian Heh light drizzle. We had a downpour so big it moved the scale of the graph about an hour ago.
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19:20 tcohen khall: around?
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19:24 tcohen anyone to talk about bug 13669 please?
19:24 tcohen .-D
19:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Web installer fails to load sample data on MySQL 5.6+
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19:35 tcohen c'mon?
19:37 drojf you deleted the postgresql stuff. mbalmer will not be amused
19:43 eythian drojf++
19:43 tcohen mbalmer?
19:43 eythian Perhaps it was before your time? Surely not.
19:43 tcohen I showed up in 2010
19:44 drojf he was in scotland 2012
19:44 tcohen can I re-sort the kohastructure.sql file?
19:44 tcohen :-D
19:44 eythian Tbh, pgsql compatibility is a good thing to strive for.
19:45 tcohen eythian: not if-ing all the code
19:45 eythian No
19:45 tcohen nor case-ing
19:45 tcohen :-P
19:45 eythian But in almost all situations that's not needed
19:45 tcohen rangi: around?
19:46 tcohen we are supposed to have adopted a full ORM for that purpose
19:46 eythian I think replacing problematic parts with.
19:46 eythian Yeah that
19:46 tcohen gmcharlt: around?
19:47 gmcharlt tcohen: hmm?
19:47 cait give it a few more mins
19:47 drojf compatibility was not really mbalmer's goal ;)
19:47 cait i think rangi is usually after 10 for me... whch is not too far away
19:47 tcohen I'm trying to fix bug 13669
19:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Web installer fails to load sample data on MySQL 5.6+
19:47 cait and yes - pleeeaaaase fix that so i can have a koha :)
19:47 tcohen gmcharlt: and it seems that mysql's strategy regarding multiple-table creation from a single source, to solve the fk dependencies is really cool
19:48 tcohen what would you think about re-sorting the kohastructure.sql file?
19:48 cait me?
19:48 cait ah gmcharlt
19:48 tcohen cait: i was askign gmcharlt, adn everyone here basically
19:48 cait what's the goal of the resorting?
19:49 tcohen making fks available so references to other tables can be created
19:49 tcohen my patch works for sample data and most of the tables
19:50 tcohen but it fails to properly load the DB structure, because they are sorted alphabetically
19:50 tcohen but I also need opinions on the approach
19:50 tcohen because loading the files in memory could be problematic
19:51 cait if the resorting make the installer happy... i have nothing against it
19:51 cait i think it might also be not strictly alphabetic right now even
19:52 * tcohen waits for gmcharlt veredict
19:52 gmcharlt tcohen: er, I'm confused - the last statement in the bug says that it works?
19:52 tcohen I think it should work and shouldn't be problematic
19:52 tcohen gmcharlt: i noticed this issue AFTER i wrote that
19:53 gmcharlt ah, gotcha
19:53 tcohen because I found some sample data missing, then i tracked some tables missing :-D
19:53 tcohen hehe
19:53 tcohen he should probably use DBIC to load the schema
19:53 tcohen but that's not gonna happen before the release
19:53 gmcharlt my gut reaction: just do the minimum sorting needed to get everything loaded
19:54 tcohen ok, so 3 votes (cait, gmcharlt, me) to 0
19:54 tcohen hehe
19:54 tcohen thansk
19:54 tcohen someone else could come up with a better approach
19:57 eythian Write something that takes a schema and produces dbic calls from it
19:57 eythian (as a start)
19:58 cait doesn#t sound like a quick fix tho
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20:01 cait drojf: translations are done and tested for 3.22 and 3.20
20:04 drojf cait++
20:04 tcohen so items doesn't have a fk on itemtypes??
20:04 cait drojf: will fill out your survey a little later
20:04 drojf --
20:04 drojf :P
20:11 cait barton: koha doesn't work as login fro me to check out your latest bug
20:13 barton ok, I'll check that.
20:13 barton thanks.
20:13 barton cait: sorry, it's bywater/bywater. I'll update the bug.
20:14 cait aah :)
20:14 barton updidated :-)
20:16 eythian drojf: _I_ already filled it out
20:16 eythian Just saying 😉
20:16 drojf eythian: i know, i'm monitoring it 24/7 ;)
20:16 eythian Heh
20:17 drojf "your sim card was activated". that's awesome, only that the sim card is not here yet
20:21 tcohen hm this is really boring and longer than expected
20:21 drojf sorry. i tried to say it in a shorter sentence but i felt the punch line suffered from that
20:23 tcohen :-P
20:23 barton note to self: don't use the word "conflict" in git commit messages. It will scare the willies out of you later.
20:24 drojf lol
20:24 cait eythian: hm leo is not good about giving me a translation for 'streber'
20:26 barton Einer der strebt?
20:27 drojf nerd. which hardly works since people started using that in a positive way ;)
20:30 barton ah, and here I thought we were talking about translations for Koha.
20:30 tcohen cait:
20:31 barton I'm kind of surprised that I didn't know that, given that I learned my German in 7th and 8th grade.
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20:31 rangi morning
20:32 cait mornign rangi
20:33 eythian cait: not my fault you're slack about surveys!
20:33 cait i just take time to think things through :P
20:35 rangi heh
20:35 drojf cait: fyi i can see how often you open the survey :P
20:35 cait i already got it open
20:35 rangi hehe
20:35 drojf i should have used timings too so i see how long you keep it open
20:37 rangi drojf: was i first?
20:37 drojf nope eythian was first
20:37 rangi dangit
20:37 drojf heh
20:38 rangi i bet he picked bier like me
20:38 rangi :)
20:39 tcohen done
20:39 cait okok
20:39 cait i voted
20:39 cait the group pressure got too high
20:40 eythian rangi: I just picked everything because it all sounded good
20:40 rangi :)
20:40 rangi i picked thursday, friday
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20:41 tcohen rangi: could you take a look at patches in 13669? they now actually work hehe
20:41 rangi will do
20:42 tcohen oh, load_sql is used in hmpf
20:42 drojf rangi: did you decide if you will go to  bed early or not at all on friday? ;)
20:42 tcohen well, it "should" work hehe
20:42 rangi hmm i need to be at airport at 4.30 am
20:42 rangi ish
20:42 * cait thinks not at all :P
20:42 rangi yeah most likely
20:42 cait seems most reasonable
20:43 tcohen bye #koha
20:43 rangi figure have to leave hotel 3.30 ish
20:43 rangi may as well just not go to sleep
20:43 cait rangi: we send you there to find out how to get to the hotel, and then we follow :)
20:43 drojf basically the whole street from the tapas place to the hotel is hipster bars
20:43 drojf so you can walk home and just pick up your suitcase
20:43 rangi heh, you might get there in the afternoon and ill still be asleep in the airport
20:43 drojf :D
20:44 rangi drojf: works for me :)
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20:46 eythian cait: I didn't reply to your email because I was in Germany, but it sounds fine. I'll reply with my number, I should have free/cheap calling and SMS there anyway.
20:48 cait sounds good
20:48 cait still expect another email
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21:12 cait eythian: maybe we can find some lunch and then go do sight seeing... will be leaving quite early from here
21:38 drojf good night #koha
21:38 cait night drojf
21:40 eythian cait: sounds like a plan
21:40 cait :)
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22:04 tcohen yo
22:05 bag yo
22:08 eythian Yoyo
22:09 rangi yoplait
22:09 cait yodunnowhatthisisabout ? :)
22:12 wizzyrea froyo
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22:35 tcohen QueryParser does a really good job in setting relevance ranking for sorting, compared to the useless 'sort-by-id' we have as default
22:35 tcohen jcamins++
22:35 cait :)
22:36 * tcohen would like to know how to write an ES QueryParser driver
22:37 bag tcohen: teach yourself :)
22:37 bag heh
22:37 tcohen hehe
22:37 tcohen paraphrasing dcook, 'if I only had the time…'
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22:52 eythian Es does relevance by default anyway
22:53 eythian Or I don't understand the query
23:01 tcohen eythian: sorry, I tend to mix stuff
23:01 eythian Ah
23:01 tcohen it is a pity we dont' do proper relevance with zebra, which is implemented in QueryParser, off by default
23:01 tcohen and ALSO
23:02 tcohen it would be great to make QueryParser have a ES query format driver
23:02 tcohen bye #koha
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