Time Nick Message 00:00 cait we will have a lot of fun with you in Berlin then :) 00:00 eythian @later tell wizzyrea I do! but I was away at WGT! 00:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:00 cait did you have a good time? 00:01 eythian cait: je zal. 00:01 eythian I did, it was good fun 00:01 cait ? 00:01 eythian lots of good bands 00:01 cait :) 00:01 eythian (je zal =~ you shall) 00:02 eythian @later tell rangi that is... something else! 00:02 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:05 cait ok 00:05 cait kohastructure.sql actually completes 00:05 cait but it doesn't bring you to the step to install the sample data 00:05 cait just shows the error... and you can#t go anywhere after the kohastructure step 00:06 cait no fun 00:06 cait and i have locked myself out of bugzilla with too many login attempts :( 00:07 * Francesca waves 00:32 eythian @later tell rangi want to smuggle me some? ;) 00:32 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 00:43 wizzyrea :D 00:43 wizzyrea I have some of that in my fridge. 00:53 rangi eythian: will try to, it's really nice 00:53 rangi do you still have google play music? 00:54 eythian rangi: sweet :) 00:54 eythian I do 00:54 eythian actually, still tied to my NZ CC. Need to fix that. 00:54 rangi checked out youtube lately? the new youtube red you get with it is pretty sweet, no ads 00:55 eythian uBlcok stops the ads for me, but I still get them on my phone 00:55 rangi you shouldn't now, if you are logged into the same account as google play, new thing they just started 00:55 rangi and they dropped the price too 00:56 eythian ah, interesting 00:56 eythian > Je hebt al YouTube Red 00:56 eythian apparently I do have it 00:56 rangi :) 00:57 rangi and yep if jmpc can get me your stuff by friday, ill bring it with me 01:03 eythian sweet 01:05 * eythian goes to bed 01:05 eythian later all 03:36 * Oak waves 03:37 Oak hello wizzyrea ! 03:37 wizzyrea hi oak :) 03:37 Oak :) 06:19 * magnuse waves 06:19 magnuse @wunder boo 06:19 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 1.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising). 06:20 magnuse s/Light Rain/Snow/ 06:21 * irma waves back to magnuse 06:23 * cait waves 06:26 * irma waves slightly less to the North (a bit more to North but South/East) to cait ;-) 06:31 cait :) 06:31 cait irma - are you or BobB coming to KohaCon? 06:32 BobB hi cait, sadly we are not coming to KohaCon this year 06:32 liw @wunder helsinki 06:32 huginn liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 12.0°C (9:20 AM EEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). 06:32 cait oh :( 06:32 cait we will miss you 06:32 cait the map shows someone australia - so i was hoping 06:33 cait http://kohacon2016.lib.auth.gr/?page_id=2682 06:33 BobB it will be very sad not to be there, two KohaCons in a row 06:33 BobB glad to hear that someone from Australia is going 06:33 liw hm, I'm going to the hackfest after kohacon, I should possibly register somewhere 06:35 BobB cait the aussie might be Alvet from EBSCO 06:35 cait ah, yeah that would make sense 06:35 BobB we see that Mary-Clare Ames from New Caledonia is presenting .... 06:35 BobB do you know if she is attending? 06:36 BobB anyway, watch out for her and make her welcome (I know you will) :) 06:36 cait let me check the schedule quickly 06:37 cait hm, which presentation is hers? 06:38 BobB Secretariat of the South Pacific, I don't recall the title 06:38 cait aah i found it 06:38 cait Ame on the pdf 06:38 cait that's why my search didn't work :) 06:39 cait Working with KOHA : the pacific experience 06:39 BobB it does not say by video, so she's probably attending 06:39 BobB very experienced librarian doing great work in her region 06:40 cait we have been told that the presentations will be reocorded 06:40 BobB cool, we can catch up :) 06:40 cait not sure if live streamed too - but hopefully you might be able to watch her presentation later then at least 06:40 cait i know they talked about streaming it to another room, as so many peopl ehave registered 06:41 cait a bit too many for the room they booked even :) 06:41 BobB wow, that's excellent 06:42 cait i think 175 for the room and 250 registered? I hope i got the numbers right, the irc meeting minutes know the truth :) 06:42 cait i have to get to work - hope you 2 are well and we get to see each other again soon, maybe next year 06:42 BobB will chat soon cait, best wishes 06:45 Oak magnuse 06:50 reiveune hello 06:59 alex_a bonjour 07:15 * magnuse waves again 07:21 sophie_m hello #koha and magnuse 07:24 fridolin hie there 07:24 cait hi all 07:45 Oak Guten tag cait 07:52 cait hi Oak :) 07:55 Oak :) 09:13 cait ping drojf 10:31 fridolin Q for geeks : which Cloud do you use or advice for files and pictures ? 10:32 fridolin I've been looking at OwnCloud wich seems sexy : Website + DAV access + Android app + Pluggins + Synch client for Windows 10:53 eythian fridolin: I run owncloud, it does a good job. I also saw people playing with seafile at catalyst, but I haven't used it myself. 10:55 fridolin eythian: thanks for your answer. Seafile is good, we use is for pro, but its misses something for pictures i think 10:55 fridolin its more for collaborativ work 10:56 fridolin eythian: do you run owncloud v9 ? 10:56 eythian 8 at this stage, just because I haven't upgraded. 10:56 eythian upgrading it might be a task for today actually. 10:57 eythian you can have multiple accounts and share stuff between them and so on, though I haven't done that myself, I just use it as a personal syncing thing. 10:58 eythian it apparently will also federate with other owncloud instances, but again I haven't tried. 11:12 * magnuse has owncloud on his todo list 11:34 eythian IIRC it's very easy 11:43 oleonard Hi #koha 11:50 drojf hi #koha 11:53 cait fridolin: i use owncloud, with ubuntu and windows- happy with it 11:53 cait drojf: around? 11:53 oleonard Hi drojf and cait 11:53 cait hi oleonard :) 11:53 drojf cait: i was 3 minutes ago 11:54 drojf but not for long ;) 11:54 drojf organizy stuff to do. why? 11:54 cait becasue of the organizy stuff :) 11:55 cait i just wanted to ask you to send out something about technical requirements 11:55 drojf what do you need for kohadevbox? a computer? 11:56 cait yep 11:56 cait and probably the right to install something 11:56 oleonard A computer which isn't running Mac or Windows? 11:56 cait yeah that 11:56 cait or a virtualbox? 11:56 drojf i dont know anything about kohadevbox. so its linux only? 11:56 drojf i thought it just works everywhere. maybe you should send me an email about the requirements :D 11:57 cait how would i know? .) 11:57 cait but a computer seems a reasonable minimum 11:57 cait also for the cadmandu workshop 11:57 drojf lol. somebody has to try that thing before wednesday 11:57 cait i remember the last time i went to one they required virtualbox 11:57 cait to run the provided image in 11:58 cait we can do package + gitified too... 11:58 cait but still need some linux 11:59 oleonard package + gitified is not great if you have to run tests 11:59 cait ah 11:59 cait i still like my git setup... but youcan't install koha currently on ubuntu 16.04 - which is the new LTS... 11:59 cait so i got a new laptop with no koha right now :( 12:00 drojf why cant you install it on 16.04? 12:00 cait mysql 12:00 cait 5.7 12:00 drojf that is… too old, too new, too what? 12:00 cait it's more secure i guess 12:00 cait one sec 12:01 cait https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13669 12:01 huginn 04Bug 13669: blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Web installer fails on MySQL 5.6 and .7 12:01 cait and here https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16402#c20 12:01 huginn 04Bug 16402: critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , DB structure cannot be loaded in MySQL 5.7 12:03 drojf uh awesome, we should fix that at some hackfest 12:03 cait we should fix that before release 12:03 cait ... i want to have a koha for the hackfest! 12:03 drojf ah right release is day 2 of the hackfest 12:03 drojf more or less, depending on tz 12:04 drojf you can di slides for the hackfest instead 12:04 drojf slides? 12:04 drojf hm 12:04 cait hmpf 12:07 fridolin yep, OwnCloud it will be then, 12:08 fridolin i try to avoid free clouds like Google Drive and Dropbox, use opensource seft-hosted 12:08 cait fridolin: mine is a 'one-click-installation' with my hosting provider... so won't be helpfulthere - but works nice 12:09 fridolin cait: yep 12:09 cait yeah me too, - i don't use dropbox and similar at all 12:09 fridolin I'm trying to get inside the code with a git install 12:09 fridolin works fine for v9.1 12:10 fridolin Android app was mandotory for me I will try it 12:10 fridolin its not free but less than 1€ 12:25 eythian fridolin: the android app is fine, and improving fairly regularly 12:26 fridolin yep nice 12:26 fridolin i've added the Gallery App v9.1, very nice 12:26 fridolin thats exaclty what I wanted 12:27 fridolin for me and my familly who produces a lot of (private) pictures 12:30 * magnuse wants to go and install owncloud now 12:33 tcohen morning #koha 12:33 tcohen https://cloud.theke.io 12:33 tcohen magnuse ^^^ 12:34 * tcohen loves owncloud too :-D 12:43 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 12:43 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 9.7°C (9:40 AM ART on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising). 12:45 magnuse yeah, i want one for my company and one for my private stuff, i think 12:45 magnuse @wunder boo 12:45 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling). 12:45 magnuse it was snowing an hour ago 12:45 tcohen :-D 13:10 Joubu tcohen: any ideas how we could fix bug 13669? 13:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Web installer fails to load sample data on MySQL 5.6+ 13:31 drojf B<FIXME:> there has been a long-standing desire to 13:31 drojf replace this with an SQL loader that goes 13:31 drojf through DBI; partly for portability issues 13:31 drojf and partly to improve error handling. 14:24 Joubu drojf: what does it mean? What is an "SQL loader"? 14:25 Joubu well, I think I know what an "SQL loader" does, but AFAIC it's not possible to source a file using DBI 14:25 Joubu and I don't know any modules doing that 14:26 drojf Joubu: i have no idea :) but it's in the file. git blame says Andrew Elwell, i have no idea who that is 14:42 eythian fridolin: now I have owncloud v9 :) 14:42 eythian looks just like v8, tbh 14:47 fridolin but with +1 LOL 14:50 fridolin eythian: do you use the Gallery App ? 14:51 eythian I don't 14:52 bag morning 14:57 fridolin see u 15:09 tcohen Joubu: yes! 15:09 tcohen i got distracted 15:09 tcohen i was looking at this: 15:09 tcohen http://search.cpan.org/~emazep/SQL-SplitStatement-1.00020/lib/SQL/SplitStatement.pm 15:12 pianohacker yo 15:12 tcohen hi pianohacker 15:13 pianohacker hi tcohen 15:13 * oleonard wants to lobby for the inclusion of Bug 16400 in the upcoming release 15:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons 15:14 * oleonard realizes this would be breaking the rules 15:15 kidclamp bag is a maverick 15:16 * tcohen would support oleonard 15:24 drojf smash the system, no rules! 15:27 eythian @later tell rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3NOYMzVC3s 15:27 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 16:05 drojf @later tell cait more than "bring a laptop + virtualbox"? 16:05 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 16:11 tcohen Joubu: around? 16:23 reiveune bye 19:07 drojf evening 19:07 eythian Yep. 19:08 drojf isn't that convenient that we have the same time of day now? 19:10 eythian I feel stuck in the past 19:12 drojf lol 19:13 tcohen hi 19:14 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina 19:14 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 13.0°C (4:10 PM ART on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). 19:14 bag @wunder portland or 19:14 huginn bag: The current temperature in Portland - West Hills, Portland, Oregon is 20.6°C (12:14 PM PDT on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 19:15 bag 20 - now that is nice :D 19:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 19:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 17.0°C (8:50 PM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). 19:15 drojf @wunder thessaloniki 19:15 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 16.0°C (9:50 PM EEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 19:15 drojf woah come on greece 19:15 tcohen wooooo 19:16 eythian @wunder ams 19:16 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 12.3°C (9:12 PM CEST on May 18, 2016). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1005 hPa (Falling). 19:16 eythian Heh light drizzle. We had a downpour so big it moved the scale of the graph about an hour ago. 19:20 tcohen khall: around? 19:24 tcohen anyone to talk about bug 13669 please? 19:24 tcohen .-D 19:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Web installer fails to load sample data on MySQL 5.6+ 19:35 tcohen c'mon? 19:37 drojf you deleted the postgresql stuff. mbalmer will not be amused 19:43 eythian drojf++ 19:43 tcohen mbalmer? 19:43 eythian Perhaps it was before your time? Surely not. 19:43 tcohen I showed up in 2010 19:44 drojf he was in scotland 2012 19:44 tcohen can I re-sort the kohastructure.sql file? 19:44 tcohen :-D 19:44 eythian Tbh, pgsql compatibility is a good thing to strive for. 19:45 tcohen eythian: not if-ing all the code 19:45 eythian No 19:45 tcohen nor case-ing 19:45 tcohen :-P 19:45 eythian But in almost all situations that's not needed 19:45 tcohen rangi: around? 19:46 tcohen we are supposed to have adopted a full ORM for that purpose 19:46 eythian I think replacing problematic parts with. 19:46 eythian Yeah that 19:46 tcohen gmcharlt: around? 19:47 gmcharlt tcohen: hmm? 19:47 cait give it a few more mins 19:47 drojf compatibility was not really mbalmer's goal ;) 19:47 cait i think rangi is usually after 10 for me... whch is not too far away 19:47 tcohen I'm trying to fix bug 13669 19:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13669 blocker, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Web installer fails to load sample data on MySQL 5.6+ 19:47 cait and yes - pleeeaaaase fix that so i can have a koha :) 19:47 tcohen gmcharlt: and it seems that mysql's strategy regarding multiple-table creation from a single source, to solve the fk dependencies is really cool 19:48 tcohen what would you think about re-sorting the kohastructure.sql file? 19:48 cait me? 19:48 cait ah gmcharlt 19:48 tcohen cait: i was askign gmcharlt, adn everyone here basically 19:48 cait what's the goal of the resorting? 19:49 tcohen making fks available so references to other tables can be created 19:49 tcohen my patch works for sample data and most of the tables 19:50 tcohen but it fails to properly load the DB structure, because they are sorted alphabetically 19:50 tcohen but I also need opinions on the approach 19:50 tcohen because loading the files in memory could be problematic 19:51 cait if the resorting make the installer happy... i have nothing against it 19:51 cait i think it might also be not strictly alphabetic right now even 19:52 * tcohen waits for gmcharlt veredict 19:52 gmcharlt tcohen: er, I'm confused - the last statement in the bug says that it works? 19:52 tcohen I think it should work and shouldn't be problematic 19:52 tcohen gmcharlt: i noticed this issue AFTER i wrote that 19:53 gmcharlt ah, gotcha 19:53 tcohen because I found some sample data missing, then i tracked some tables missing :-D 19:53 tcohen hehe 19:53 tcohen he should probably use DBIC to load the schema 19:53 tcohen but that's not gonna happen before the release 19:53 gmcharlt my gut reaction: just do the minimum sorting needed to get everything loaded 19:54 tcohen ok, so 3 votes (cait, gmcharlt, me) to 0 19:54 tcohen hehe 19:54 tcohen thansk 19:54 tcohen someone else could come up with a better approach 19:57 eythian Write something that takes a schema and produces dbic calls from it 19:57 eythian (as a start) 19:58 cait doesn#t sound like a quick fix tho 20:01 cait drojf: translations are done and tested for 3.22 and 3.20 20:04 drojf cait++ 20:04 tcohen so items doesn't have a fk on itemtypes?? 20:04 cait drojf: will fill out your survey a little later 20:04 drojf -- 20:04 drojf :P 20:11 cait barton: koha doesn't work as login fro me to check out your latest bug 20:13 barton ok, I'll check that. 20:13 barton thanks. 20:13 barton cait: sorry, it's bywater/bywater. I'll update the bug. 20:14 cait aah :) 20:14 barton updidated :-) 20:16 eythian drojf: _I_ already filled it out 20:16 eythian Just saying 😉 20:16 drojf eythian: i know, i'm monitoring it 24/7 ;) 20:16 eythian Heh 20:17 drojf "your sim card was activated". that's awesome, only that the sim card is not here yet 20:21 tcohen hm this is really boring and longer than expected 20:21 drojf sorry. i tried to say it in a shorter sentence but i felt the punch line suffered from that 20:23 tcohen :-P 20:23 barton note to self: don't use the word "conflict" in git commit messages. It will scare the willies out of you later. 20:24 drojf lol 20:24 cait eythian: hm leo is not good about giving me a translation for 'streber' 20:26 barton Einer der strebt? 20:27 drojf nerd. which hardly works since people started using that in a positive way ;) 20:30 barton ah, and here I thought we were talking about translations for Koha. 20:30 tcohen cait: https://snag.gy/3I7qfU.jpg 20:31 barton I'm kind of surprised that I didn't know that, given that I learned my German in 7th and 8th grade. 20:31 rangi morning 20:32 cait mornign rangi 20:33 eythian cait: not my fault you're slack about surveys! 20:33 cait i just take time to think things through :P 20:35 rangi heh 20:35 drojf cait: fyi i can see how often you open the survey :P 20:35 cait i already got it open 20:35 rangi hehe 20:35 drojf i should have used timings too so i see how long you keep it open 20:37 rangi drojf: was i first? 20:37 drojf nope eythian was first 20:37 rangi dangit 20:37 drojf heh 20:38 rangi i bet he picked bier like me 20:38 rangi :) 20:39 tcohen done 20:39 cait okok 20:39 cait i voted 20:39 cait the group pressure got too high 20:40 eythian rangi: I just picked everything because it all sounded good 20:40 rangi :) 20:40 rangi i picked thursday, friday 20:41 tcohen rangi: could you take a look at patches in 13669? they now actually work hehe 20:41 rangi will do 20:42 tcohen oh, load_sql is used in updatedatabase.pl hmpf 20:42 drojf rangi: did you decide if you will go to bed early or not at all on friday? ;) 20:42 tcohen well, it "should" work hehe 20:42 rangi hmm i need to be at airport at 4.30 am 20:42 rangi ish 20:42 * cait thinks not at all :P 20:42 rangi yeah most likely 20:42 cait seems most reasonable 20:43 tcohen bye #koha 20:43 rangi figure have to leave hotel 3.30 ish 20:43 rangi may as well just not go to sleep 20:43 cait rangi: we send you there to find out how to get to the hotel, and then we follow :) 20:43 drojf basically the whole street from the tapas place to the hotel is hipster bars 20:43 drojf so you can walk home and just pick up your suitcase 20:43 rangi heh, you might get there in the afternoon and ill still be asleep in the airport 20:43 drojf :D 20:44 rangi drojf: works for me :) 20:46 eythian cait: I didn't reply to your email because I was in Germany, but it sounds fine. I'll reply with my number, I should have free/cheap calling and SMS there anyway. 20:48 cait sounds good 20:48 cait still expect another email 21:12 cait eythian: maybe we can find some lunch and then go do sight seeing... will be leaving quite early from here 21:38 drojf good night #koha 21:38 cait night drojf 21:40 eythian cait: sounds like a plan 21:40 cait :) 22:04 tcohen yo 22:05 bag yo 22:08 eythian Yoyo 22:09 rangi yoplait 22:09 cait yodunnowhatthisisabout ? :) 22:12 wizzyrea froyo 22:35 tcohen QueryParser does a really good job in setting relevance ranking for sorting, compared to the useless 'sort-by-id' we have as default 22:35 tcohen jcamins++ 22:35 cait :) 22:36 * tcohen would like to know how to write an ES QueryParser driver 22:37 bag tcohen: teach yourself :) 22:37 bag heh 22:37 tcohen hehe 22:37 tcohen paraphrasing dcook, 'if I only had the time…' 22:52 eythian Es does relevance by default anyway 22:53 eythian Or I don't understand the query 23:01 tcohen eythian: sorry, I tend to mix stuff 23:01 eythian Ah 23:01 tcohen it is a pity we dont' do proper relevance with zebra, which is implemented in QueryParser, off by default 23:01 tcohen and ALSO 23:02 tcohen it would be great to make QueryParser have a ES query format driver 23:02 tcohen bye #koha