IRC log for #koha, 2016-04-19

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01:44 florent rangi: What could be the value of reporting 2 identical errors for the same bad import entry?
01:46 rangi none really, sounds like just a mistake
01:48 florent Thank you. I will  fix that.
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01:57 jcamins Double certainty that it's wrong?
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02:07 florent Double the trouble
02:10 * wizzyrea feels a little ragey about this bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15840
02:10 huginn Bug 15840: major, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Import borrowers tool explodes if userid already exists
02:15 * Francesca waves
02:15 wizzyrea mostly because I have an import file that wasn't generating userid's, and even though it took literally 5 minutes to add that, 1. it's not documented as a requirement and 2. I had to make a change on a thing that's going live right now and that is uncomfortablemaking.
02:16 * wizzyrea has an unhappy.
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03:04 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (2:30 PM NZST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
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06:47 reiveune hello
06:47 wahanui salut, reiveune
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06:59 alex_a bonjour
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07:32 magnuse @wunder boo
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:33 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 10.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:33 drojf @wunder thessaloniki
07:33 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 21.0°C (10:20 AM EEST on April 19, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:35 cait morning all
07:35 cait Joubu: good poitn about the password - thx for sending the e-mail anyway!
07:38 magnuse done translating nb-NO for 3.22.6 \o/
07:39 cait german seems to be done - it feels a bit suspicious
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07:43 * drojf is very trusty
07:43 LibraryClaire morning
07:43 drojf hi LibraryClaire
07:43 LibraryClaire hi drojf :)
07:48 cait drojf: heh
07:48 cait hi LibraryClaire :)
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07:56 magnuse cait: why suspicious?
08:04 eythian German always sounds suspicious.
08:05 eythian Like they've left towels on a beach chair or something.
08:06 liw eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat auf def Hauptbahnhof, bitte
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08:20 cait lol
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08:26 drojf later #koha
08:33 LibraryClaire hi cait :)
08:33 LibraryClaire sorry - impromptu meeting occured
08:34 cait @later tell drojf hm thinking - should we add something about technical requirements? (bring your own laptop, need admin perm to install kohadevbox?)
08:34 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
08:34 cait could have written that in german *confusedbrain*
08:44 LibraryClaire hehe
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09:47 ashimema that sounds tasty
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09:51 LibraryClaire tasty?
09:53 magnuse "eine kleine Tasse Schokoladenschnitzel mit Bananenkartoffeln und Kabelsalat" from liw, i presume
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09:54 LibraryClaire aah yes :)
09:56 ashimema :)
09:56 * liw hides in shame
09:56 ashimema hehe
10:00 LibraryClaire I'll stay clear of the Kabelsalat I reckon ;)
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11:11 cait khall: around?
11:11 khall yo
11:11 cait bug 9393
11:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9393 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add note to if borrower has pending modifications
11:11 cait more concerned about the second point - first is not a blocker (as I wrote ;) )
11:12 cait But something else: You might also not be able to see the entry for the patron because of IndependentBranchesPatronModifications - not sure how to handle this. Maybe we should only show the link of logged in branch and staff branch match?
11:12 khall ok, I think I can do something about the second part.
11:12 cait i thought maybe it's easy, maybe not, so i noted it
11:12 cait perhaps owen has an idea at some point (for the accordeon) but we can leave it for sure
11:13 cait mostly was interested in you looking into the 2 questions and see what could be done
11:13 cait or not
11:13 cait because it hink it will be the first 2 things people might notice
11:13 cait hope that makes sense
11:15 cait early mornign qa might not be my best :)
11:16 khall heh ; )
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11:46 oleonard Hi #koha
11:51 druthb oleonard!  :D
11:53 oleonard It's nice to have you around druthb. I feel like even though you don't work on Koha, if there were some kind of Koha-related Kaiju attacking the city you would spring into action to help us form a giant robot.
11:56 oleonard
11:57 druthb :)
11:57 druthb I would, yes.
11:59 cait lol
11:59 cait oleonard++ :)
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12:28 tcohen morning
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12:31 cait oleonard, khall: could you take a look at bug 11317 and blou's question there?
12:31 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11317 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Patch doesn't apply , Add a way to access files from the intranet.
12:31 khall k
12:32 cait i think it would be a cool feature
12:32 cait to have a safe access to the print notice files on the server
12:33 oleonard Seems more like a tool to me, since the log viewer is considered a tool. But I have just now looked at this bug for the first time so I may not fully understand.
12:34 cait i think tool too :)
12:34 cait but i don't want them to have to change things once again... if you all disagree
12:34 cait oleonard: probably best to not start reading at the top
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12:39 khall cait: didn't notice your convo, but I had the oposite thought
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12:41 oleonard khall: Why?
12:42 khall I think from a usability/permissions/technical standpoint this should probably be considered a report. This script does not alter data, but only makes it accessible. This makes it technically a "report" to me.
12:42 khall Furthermore, it seems likely that the librarians needing to access this data are the same ones who would run other reports, and not necessarily be the same ones running tools. This to me is another reason to move it back to the reports page.
12:42 khall That's just my opinion of course
12:43 khall if it gets it's own permission, it's really a coin toss
12:43 khall but I think the latter argument would still apply
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12:43 tcohen hi cait khall
12:43 khall mornin nengard!
12:43 khall mornin tcohen!
12:43 oleonard What are the kinds of logs which might be viewed by this tool?
12:44 nengard khall!!!!!!!
12:44 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
12:44 nengard :)
12:44 khall lol
12:44 khall oleonard: what came to my mind were the "print" files for overdues, etc
12:44 khall basically cli report output
12:44 khall but I can't claim to know that was the intention
12:45 oleonard Overdues aren't considered a report. Notices are under tools. Is there output from reports which would also be covered?
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12:46 blou oleonard: it gives access to files.  Any files you want to give access to.
12:46 drojf1 after having read the bug report for ~30 seconds, what makes it a report? does it technically go through the creation process of a report? (i assume not, if it is log files? or its another kind of logfiles)? if not it sounds closer to the downmload database tool to me than to a report
12:46 blou our users use it for access to the print notices (hold, overdues...)
12:47 drojf1 ok that sounds reportdish. i thought of stuff like apache log
12:47 drojf1 *reportish
12:47 cait khall: now we disagree :)
12:47 cait oleonard: files generated on the server
12:47 blou I could give access to apache logs.
12:47 blou I -> It
12:47 drojf1 give it an extra permission and flip a coin
12:48 cait hi blou
12:48 drojf1 or does it really matter?
12:48 cait :)
12:48 blou hello Cait!
12:48 oleonard Are there any kinds of files which might be created by existing reports which would be accessed by this feature?
12:48 blou Action_logs are through Tools
12:48 blou although they sound reportish
12:48 blou :)
12:48 nengard i think it's the 'log viewer' that's the tool
12:49 nengard the fact that you can 'view' the logs is toolish :) hehe
12:49 blou This feature can give access to any directory specified in koha-conf
12:49 drojf1 lol
12:49 cait i like the idea of having a separate perm
12:49 cait it will require stup on the server for the directory i think
12:49 drojf1 that sounds not reportish but dangerous :)
12:50 drojf1 it definitely needs a separate permission
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12:50 drojf1 regardless what it is labelled
12:50 blou i need the separate perm for my client.  Specific requirement...
12:50 oleonard I'm firmly in the "Tools" camp.
12:50 cait technically you could add a suppermission to reports - the structure is there with run/execute below reports...
12:50 cait but i am still a tools person
12:50 blou dangerous: with great power....
12:50 drojf1 make a whole new module out of it, called reportish tools!1
12:50 drojf1 sorry
12:51 cait drojf1: go and stand in the corner heh
12:51 khall I'd say maybe tools is better for simplicity at this point
12:51 blou dish, tools... gets me to erfworld
12:51 drojf1 team tools
12:52 cait #startvote should the access file feature be under tools or reports? (tools,reports)
12:52 blou I'm team QA.  Whatever gets it signed :-)
12:52 cait oooh
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12:52 cait only works in a meeting
12:52 drojf1 lol
12:52 drojf1 lets have a short meeting about it
12:52 drojf1 :P
12:52 cait well
12:52 cait thre is a dev meeting this wednesay
12:52 cait but i was hoping to we could agree on something :)
12:53 cait khall: are yo strictly opposed to tools?
12:53 drojf do we really want to vote there if that is a tool or report? we don't have real things to do? :P
12:53 cait that was just my way of reminding of the meeting
12:53 cait because i got that on my todo list today :)
12:53 khall cait: no I am not, either way is really fine with me
12:53 drojf oh. that worked very well!
12:53 drojf cait++
12:53 khall bikeshedding--
12:54 drojf but i want green :(
12:54 cait drojf: i lost track of your opinion
12:54 drojf green is tools. and heads if we flip a coin
12:54 kidclamp there should be a new category, reools
12:54 blou drools
12:54 drojf i like drools
12:55 drojf excellent!
12:55 cait kidclamp: you can stand in the corner with drojf for making up new modules :P
12:55 kidclamp drolls++
12:55 liw drojf, biff
12:55 oleonard You guys are the worst :P
12:55 * kidclamp hangs head in shame
12:55 cait you missed us, right?
12:55 * kidclamp scuttles off to create new bugs
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12:56 cait blou: do you think you got an answer?
12:56 blou cait: yeah, drools
12:56 drojf brb
12:57 blou cait: question: a new patch, or this change invalidate a lot of thing which will need retesting, thus a squash is ok ?
12:57 cait hm let's do soemthing in the middle
12:57 cait a follow-up?
12:57 wahanui a follow-up is much easier to test than the first patch.
12:57 tcohen ah c'mon
12:58 blou ?!
12:58 tcohen we still don't have master packages!
12:58 cait tcohen: ?
12:58 tcohen sorry, private rant
12:58 cait blou: a new patch with the last changes for easy review
12:58 cait 5 patches then on the bug
12:58 cait 4 now
12:58 cait not sure how to explain :)
12:59 blou ok, just a patch.  No squash.  Ok.
12:59 cait makes it easier to review i think
12:59 blou Although someone a Sha1.  So that won't fix it
12:59 cait if it moves around... we can still squash
13:00 cait yeah, rebae what#s there i'd say
13:00 cait and then change on top
13:00 blou cait: thanks.  Will do today
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13:04 drojf cait: yes there will be some info about tech requirements for the newbies, but i think that still has time
13:04 drojf but i wanted to send it to the list finally :)
13:05 drojf (about your @later)
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13:08 drojf did you choose a colour why i was gone? it's so quiet suddenly
13:09 oleonard Yes drojf we chose "bleen"
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13:24 drojf oleonard: i think we have to bring that up at the dev meeting
13:25 oleonard In all seriousness we should have a style guide that includes guidelines for use of color.
13:25 oleonard Then we have a framework for discussions of changes, like the use of bleen.
13:35 francharb bleen? blue green?
13:36 francharb is it like greige?
13:36 francharb grey beige
13:36 francharb hi oleonard, hi all ;)
13:36 oleonard francharb: The definition of bleen is slated for a discussion at the color meeting. We've blocked out 90 minutes for that issue.
13:37 francharb ahah
13:37 francharb it's definitively an important one
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14:10 oleonard I don't understand what problem Bug 14695 solves.
14:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron
14:11 oleonard Why would I want to say, "For this item type I want to allow 3 holds per title?"
14:11 oleonard What I want to say is "For this item type I want to allow multiple holds, period." And inherit the hold limit.
14:12 oleonard Not that what I want is what everyone wants.
14:12 oleonard Which is why I ask: What problem does it solve?
14:12 oleonard khall?
14:12 wahanui khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;)
14:12 khall sup?
14:12 wahanui everything.
14:12 oleonard I have questions ^^
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14:14 khall oleonard: I don't have the best knowledge, but it's a huge request from lots of libraries. I think maybe for teachers needing many copies, or being able to specify multiple volumes where something like an encylopedia is cataloged with all volumes on one record
14:15 khall probably the latter is the more common reason
14:15 oleonard That's the kind of need I see too, but I don't understand how defining a specific multi-hold count is helpful.
14:15 oleonard How many volumes does any particular multi-volume set have?
14:16 khall it's just to avoid general hold spamming, generally the same reason we have hold limits in general. it's just hold limits for a specific record
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14:24 cait kidclamp++ nice blog post
14:24 oleonard cait: ?
14:25 cait[…]tom-sound-alerts/
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14:28 kidclamp thanks cait
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14:49 oleonard Bug 15456 makes me want to re-indent all the things.
14:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Signed Off , Fix tabs and inconsistent indentation in
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14:56 pianohacker oleonard: it was oddly cathartic
14:56 oleonard pianohacker: That's how I felt when making the Bootstrap templates for the OPAC
14:57 pianohacker I definitely believe that
14:57 pianohacker how is the staff client work going?
14:58 oleonard Slowly :)
14:59 oleonard Unfortunately I ran into an issue where you can't exclude Bootstrap's forms CSS when doing a custom build, so I'm trying to figure out if I should try for a workaround or just do a bunch of overrides to keep things looking correct.
15:02 blou Got a question about koha-qa
15:03 blou FAIL  validName "Cache::RemovalStrategy::LRU::FIELDS" used only once: possible typo
15:03 tcohen blou: I recall Joubu filled a bug for that
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15:03 blou Anyone could cue me onto what is causing that (and its friends) ?
15:03 blou ok
15:04 blou so it IS unrelated to my patch, then ?
15:06 cait there is a bug in PQA for that
15:06 cait or  more a patch
15:06 cait you can ignore it for now i think
15:07 cait blou: don't forget the atomicupdate for the perm :)
15:08 blou already in
15:08 cait hm not seeing it
15:08 cait was sneaking a look at your new patch
15:11 cait blou: it's missing the atomicupdate - the new patch
15:11 cait blou: for existng installations
15:15 blou arrrrgh.  I forgot the git add !!
15:15 cait heh
15:15 cait you are not the first
15:15 blou I even TESTED the atomic update throught the webinstaller.  I was so sure all was ok.  Sigh....
15:21 pianohacker also, hi all
15:22 blou cait: Ok, NOW i sent all the files.  Only took my 4 tries...  I hope it's the right versions of the files... (blou /crying)
15:22 * cait sends cookies
15:23 * oleonard sends cookies to everyone whose patches he has failed today... Feeling like an ogre.
15:23 cait you are doing great work, have some cookies
15:27 cait the qa queue is exploding
15:27 * cait is scared
15:27 drojf later #koha
16:12 reiveune bye
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16:16 oleonard khall: What is the "Holds to place (count)" field for in the staff client? (Bug 14695)
16:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14695 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add ability to place multiple item holds on a given record per patron
16:17 khall oleonard: in the circ rules, I should have specified that ; )
16:17 gaetan_B bye
16:17 oleonard I don't understand. Does setting that value when placing a hold in the staff client do something?
16:18 khall it limits the number of holds a given patron can place on a single record. The default is 1 to replicate existing behavior
16:19 oleonard So when placing a hold you can redefine the limit that patron can placed, overriding the setting for that patron category/item type defined in circ rules?
16:20 bag morning
16:21 khall no, that's still in effect as well. You could have the hold limit be 5, and the hold per record limit be 3
16:21 khall so the patron can place 5 total holds, and only 3 on any given record
16:22 oleonard But why is there a drop-down on the 'place hold' screen where I can choose a number for "Holds to place (count)?"
16:23 khall for convenience when placing multiple record level holds, that was a request by Chris iirc
16:23 oleonard what does it do?
16:23 khall it places the number of record level holds you specifiy in the pulldown
16:24 khall nick and the qa team hashed out a list of change requests a while back and I implemented them
16:24 khall that was one
16:24 khall @kidclamp++ for that
16:24 huginn khall: I've exhausted my database of quotes
16:25 oleonard Oh I see it's for getting multiple copies of something, unconnected to item-level holds.
16:26 khall yep!
16:26 oleonard There's more going on here than is described in the test plan.
16:26 khall my bad, I missed that bit
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17:49 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 15113: koha-rebuild-zebra should check USE_INDEXER_DAEMON and skip... <[…]7720d63da9f3b0a80>
17:49 oleonard It's fascinating to me that browser technology has advanced to the point where Bug 6815 could be a workable feature now.
17:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6815 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , Capture member photo via webcam
17:50 tcohen oleonard: hehe
17:50 tcohen sure!
17:50 tcohen bag: thanks
17:50 oleonard Maybe nengard should resurrect Bug 1937
17:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1937 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED WONTFIX, Scan barcode with webcam
17:51 nengard hmm
17:52 nengard anyone can resurect that if they want :)
17:52 tcohen :)
18:19 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: [SIGNED-OFF] Bug 16190: Enable the indexer daemon by default <[…]b72e1791b4451b401>
18:20 oleonard Interesting that submitting a blank form for a circulation rule gives you unlimited checkouts allowed but zero for a loan period.
18:21 oleonard Zero checkouts allowed for an infinite time would be great.
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18:37 tcohen users++
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18:59 oleonard Bye #koha
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19:18 tcohen bye #koha
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19:54 rangi morning
20:03 cait morning rangi
20:23 rangi hmm is master currently broken for others?
20:23 rangi DBIx::Class::ResultSet::next(): Unknown column 'me.archived' in 'field list' at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/Koha/ line 150
20:23 rangi im getting that at
20:23 rangi http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/[…]in/
20:24 rangi I think it might be just my db
20:24 rangi out of sync with the schema
20:27 cait hm me?
20:27 wahanui go to bed
20:27 cait archived.
20:27 cait no idea where this could be
20:27 rangi super useful error message!
20:27 rangi yeah exactly
20:28 cait rangi: currency
20:28 cait or currencies
20:28 cait[…]791b4451b401#l774
20:28 rangi hmm
20:29 rangi so there must be a patch that removes that
20:30 cait hm or adds?
20:30 rangi or adds it but not properly
20:30 rangi because i just ran the update
20:31 rangi lemme check the updatedatabase
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20:31 rangi
20:33 cait hm can help search in a bit - brb
20:34 rangi fixed
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20:47 cait ah cool
20:47 cait what was it?
20:48 rangi probably another patch had moved the version number higher than that
21:11 rangi hmm
21:12 rangi i think Dianna might have misunderstood
21:12 cait hm?
21:12 rangi the pin thing
21:12 rangi reply to you and jonathan
21:12 cait oh?
21:13 cait hm email program is unwilling to open.
21:13 rangi its on the list
21:13 rangi she says they use it, but I dont think any code is there to use it
21:13 cait depends on how they use it - i tried today
21:13 rangi also, she has misunderstood the storing in clear text bit too
21:13 cait it stores fine
21:13 cait i don't have her email yet it seems
21:14 rangi[…]April/045242.html
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21:14 wizzyrea I think she's confused by the password
21:15 wizzyrea they may label the regular password "pin" in their installation
21:15 cait can someone else try and clear things up?
21:15 eythian there's something we have that causes all errors and warnings to include a stack trace. That would make tracking down those issues a lot easier, I'm sure it's something that could be hooked into debug mode. (I don't know how it's actually done, but it's a lifesaver.)
21:15 rangi yeah, i dont think she is talking about teh same thing, the password option in extended attributes is totally stored in plain text and it's a really bad idea and should be removed
21:15 eythian (by "those" I mean that error from scrollback :)
21:15 cait i tested it today - i can confirm
21:15 wizzyrea I don't understand the purpose
21:16 wizzyrea of the passwords there
21:16 wizzyrea why were they added originally?
21:16 rangi eythian: yeah debug level i think
21:16 cait someone said as an additional login on the bug report
21:16 cait but never fully implemented
21:16 cait i kind of thought it was for another application maybe - or a pin... but apart from storing and editing it doesn't seem to do anything
21:18 rangi yeah
21:18 rangi i dont have the brainspace to explain that
21:19 wizzyrea I've got it
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21:23 cait thx!
21:23 wizzyrea oh jeez she's from Salina. That's 30k from my home town.
21:23 wizzyrea how funny
21:23 wizzyrea we are talking about the tickbox in borrower attributes for "password" right?
21:26 rangi yeah i think so
21:26 wizzyrea done
21:28 cait wizzyrea++
21:38 wizzyrea She says "You are right I was thinking of the PIN in Registration. Thanks"
21:41 cait cool
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