IRC log for #koha, 2016-02-19

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03:02 sjamso How do I change default username and password for koha. I installed koha but I am not able to login. I did chage the password in koha-conf.xml file though
03:04 Oak I think you were supposed to log in using that username password in the xml file, and then create a new user in Koha, then grant that user super librarian access.
03:06 wizzyrea ^
03:06 sjamso I tried that also but I was not able to login. So I change the password in the file and tried but still no luck
03:06 wizzyrea how can you not login?
03:06 wizzyrea do you see the login box?
03:07 sjamso ya.. I see that but cannot loogin with the username and password
03:07 wizzyrea and you are using user koha_instance
03:07 wizzyrea and the password in the koha-conf file?
03:07 sjamso ya
03:07 wizzyrea and you only have the one instance?
03:08 sjamso I am using username and password in koha-conf.xml file
03:08 sjamso ya.. I got only one instance
03:10 Oak does is give an error message?
03:10 wizzyrea that really ought to work, there isn't a reason that it wouldn't
03:10 Oak yup
03:10 sjamso I tried with koha_myinstancename with the password in koha-conf.xml file.. Still not working
03:10 Oak Hello wizzyrea !
03:10 wizzyrea hi Oak :)
03:10 Oak :)
03:11 sjamso It does not give any errors too.
03:11 wizzyrea that sounds like the installer.
03:11 sjamso username and password filed getting blank
03:11 wizzyrea have you already installed Koha?
03:11 wizzyrea through the web installer?
03:12 wizzyrea I'm sorry I have to run away now.
03:15 sjamso Actualling I am suppose to install through web installer. That didnt work.  The url it shows is[…]taller/
03:27 sjamso koha page says.. Welcome to the Koha web installer. But I am not able to login
03:27 sjamso What is the issue here
03:27 wahanui the issue here is that there are some advanced searches that don't work without query parser, but show up anyway (which strikes me as bad)
03:28 Oak ignore wahanui, it's a bot.
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07:05 drojf morning #koha
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07:27 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
07:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
07:27 drojf @wunder rome, italy
07:27 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Largo di Torre Argentina, Roma, Italy is 8.6°C (8:21 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
07:28 drojf @wunder thessaloniki, greece
07:28 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Thessaloniki, Greece is 12.0°C (9:20 AM EET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
07:28 drojf @wunder marseille, france
07:28 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 6.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
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07:35 Mali_ Hello to all i ahve a question about koha, Can we use koha as inventry system and how to change it
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07:48 Mali_ reply
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07:52 reiveune hello
07:52 wahanui niihau, reiveune
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07:53 * magnuse waves
07:57 drojf hei magnuse
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07:59 magnuse moin drojf
07:59 magnuse bonjour sophie_m
07:59 sophie_m hello magnuse
08:00 sophie_m hi #koha
08:02 magnuse spring without marseille - it's starting to feel like something is missing...
08:02 magnuse @wunder boo
08:02 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 19, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
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08:04 alex_a bonjour
08:04 wahanui hello, alex_a
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08:04 drojf magnuse: if only there were alternatives to bridge the gap until october ;)
08:12 matts hi !
08:12 matts you call -1°C spring ? :)
08:13 magnuse drojf: yeah, if only! ;-)
08:13 magnuse matts: no, not really :-)
08:15 magnuse on the other hand, i found a norwegian online store that sells those peanut butter chocolates that bag usually brings with him
08:15 magnuse and i can probably rustle up 10-20 types of french cheese in the local shops
08:16 drojf so you are doing your own homebrew marseille?
08:16 magnuse starting ti think about it...
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08:18 marcelr hi #koha
08:20 drojf hi marcelr
08:21 marcelr hi drojf
08:21 drojf marcelr: are you going to kohacon?
08:21 marcelr yes that is the plan at least
08:22 drojf cool!
08:22 marcelr i would not like to miss europe kohacons
08:23 drojf we should have them more often ;)
08:24 drojf "We reached a milestone! 70 people have registered already!  on 12 Feb 2016"
08:24 drojf from the kohacon website
08:25 marcelr do we also know how many are on the hackfest?
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08:25 drojf i don't
08:25 gaetan_B hello
08:25 wahanui niihau, gaetan_B
08:26 marcelr hi gaetan_B
08:26 drojf but it looks like it may be a big kohacon
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08:27 drojf oh marcelr, you should of course also come to berlin ;)
08:27 marcelr yes it should ;)
08:27 drojf cait is coming. more have not dared to say so yet
08:27 marcelr cait is the closest
08:28 drojf johann is closest. he is doing the catmandu workshop. from berlin state library ;)
08:28 marcelr ok
08:28 drojf and well, i can walk there, it's my office :D
08:29 drojf but compared to the rest of the koha community, you are pretty close too :)
08:29 marcelr :)
08:30 * magnuse is closer to berlin than to marseille
08:30 drojf magnuse won't be able to resist a catmandu workshop at some point
08:30 marcelr hi magnuse
08:30 * drojf lures magnuse
08:31 drojf @seen mveron
08:31 huginn drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 2 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: * mveron waves
08:31 drojf need to send marc a spam email too, he is not too far away ;)
08:35 magnuse hiya marcelr
08:35 magnuse i have been to a catmandu workshop in hamburg (swib) but would probably not mind another one
08:37 drojf damn. norwegians, always one step ahead
08:41 magnuse mohahaha
08:42 drojf :)
08:45 drojf berlin administration not only failed to move on from windows XP in time, they also have an estimate of 26000 computers with unsupported versions of IE as of today. berlin is awesome.
08:46 magnuse woohoo
08:47 magnuse my wife is also on xp at her work
08:47 wahanui okay, magnuse.
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08:50 drojf magnuse: scary. what does she do?
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08:53 magnuse drojf: librarian at a hospital
08:53 magnuse kia ora cait!
09:07 Francesca hi
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10:07 kivilahtio wow I notice we have a MARC::Moose::Record module in cpan
10:07 kivilahtio when is Koha migrating to that?
10:25 * magnuse waves to petter and kivilahtio
10:25 kivilahtio long time no wave magnuse
10:31 petter hei magnus!
10:32 magnuse yeah, time flies
10:32 petter hey olli! Longest time!
10:36 kivilahtio petter: possibly
10:36 kivilahtio petter: we are cooking a lot of stuff!
10:36 kivilahtio petter: we totally overhauled our Swagger2-driven Mojolicious REST API
10:36 kivilahtio we made a suggested pattern for organizing the Swagger2-spec
10:37 kivilahtio petter:
10:37 kivilahtio it'' cool!
10:37 drojf have a nice weekend #koha
10:39 kivilahtio petter: the spec is here
10:39 wahanui i already had it that way, kivilahtio.
10:39 kivilahtio https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15126
10:39 huginn Bug 15126: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , REST API: Use newer version of Swagger2
10:40 kivilahtio petter: are you coming to KohaCon?
10:41 kivilahtio I am not so sure
10:41 kivilahtio Extracting marc-fields to specific database columns took 6-7 times longer using Koha::Object than DBI
10:42 kivilahtio for the shole database of 1.6 million bibs
10:42 kivilahtio I have a Koha burnout
10:42 kivilahtio I hope there is something wrong with our Koha::object configuration :)
10:42 kivilahtio petter: but you are builidng cool stuff, like we
10:43 kivilahtio petter:[…]-label-editor.mp4
10:43 kivilahtio petter: how are you doing?
10:53 Joubu kivilahtio: Koha::Objects or DBIx::Class? ...
10:54 kivilahtio Joubu: Koha::Object
10:54 wahanui i think Koha::Object is way underdocumented, you should explain its purpose and how it should be used in the perldoc, otherwise no one else can meaningfully use it.
10:54 kivilahtio wahanui: I dont think anoybody really know
10:54 wahanui kivilahtio: i'm not following you...
10:55 Joubu really know what?
10:56 Joubu kivilahtio: so you have compared Koha::Object vs DBIx::Class vs DBI
10:56 kivilahtio Joubu: Koha::Object vs DBI
10:56 kivilahtio Joubu: I am pushing new code to our GutHub today
10:56 kivilahtio Joubu: I will tell you which cronjob it is
10:56 Joubu ok so it makes sense...
10:56 Joubu DBIx::Class > DBI it's expected
10:56 kivilahtio Joubu: you can super easily just choose from the script if you want to run in Koha:Object or DBI mode
10:57 kivilahtio Joubu: and drive NYTProf on them
10:57 Joubu submit on bugzilla instead
10:57 kivilahtio Joubu: nope
10:57 kivilahtio Joubu: too much work to exract the feature, it wont merge to master anyway
10:58 kivilahtio you can clone our KohaSuomi repo if you want :)
10:58 kivilahtio Joubu: get amazed by our REST API and PageObject tests ;)
10:58 Joubu I am tracking origin/master, nothing else
10:58 kivilahtio Joubu: too bad
10:58 kivilahtio Joubu: but it is good for you
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11:04 LibraryClaire morning #koha
11:08 petter olli: sorry, got stuck in discussion, brb
11:10 kivilahtio petter: its ok, I am taking care of a baby :)
11:10 kivilahtio Joubu: I just cant help but wonder what happens to all the batch operations in Koha when everything is under Koha::Object
11:11 kivilahtio Koha::Object might get a speedup then
11:11 kivilahtio the internals can be replaced with DBI :)
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12:50 oleonard Hi #koha
12:52 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
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13:09 cait hi oleonard :)
13:09 cait i had a question for you
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13:10 cait we have librareis with only one branch requesting that we hide one of the library columns in the staff item table... but i failed to do that. now the next asked for it... do you have a moment?
13:11 oleonard Sure
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13:14 cait sec, tryin got see what i tried last time
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13:17 cait ok, they want to hide current location - because location shows under home library
13:21 cait struggling a bit because my firebug stopped working
13:21 oleonard Which page?
13:21 wahanui Which page is wrong?
13:21 cait detail page in staff for a record with items
13:23 cait $(".items_table td:eq(1)").hide(); seems to hide half of it, but the same for th doesn't work?
13:25 cait hm and once you activate the filters it gets a bit messy
13:26 cait wahanui: forget which page
13:26 wahanui cait: I forgot which page
13:28 oleonard I think its a conflict with the table structure which is generated by DataTables
13:29 cait yeah it hink it's the datatable making it hard
13:29 cait it would b really nice to have the new columns config for th items table
13:29 cait but probably hard
13:30 cait a lot of the columns are optional
13:33 kidclamp cait: this may help -[…]-checkouts-table/
13:33 cait kidclamp: wow
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13:34 cait thx, i will tkae a look at that!
13:34 cait the problem is, that we have no identifieres
13:35 cait and with activate filters... it's adds another first column
13:35 cait ... headache :)
13:35 tcohen morning!
13:35 oleonard Hi tcohen
13:36 tcohen hi oleonard
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13:36 LibraryClaire hi tcohen
13:36 * cait waves
13:36 kidclamp cait: yeah, it can be super annoying, we used css to help hide the checkin column on the issues table, that might mork, you just have to point to the right column number
13:36 tcohen hi cait :-D
13:36 kidclamp #issues-table thead th:nth-child(12), #issues-table tbody td:nth-child(12) {
13:36 kidclamp display: none;
13:36 kidclamp }
13:36 tcohen khall: around?
13:37 kidclamp I don't like counting columns, but what can you do
13:38 cait write a patch to give ids to everything? ;)
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13:39 tcohen cait++ # volunteering
13:39 oleonard The more we load JS on top of things the more difficult it is for the end-user to customize.
13:39 cait if i had the time i would id all the things :)
13:39 cait kidclamp: maybe something for hackfest :)
13:40 kidclamp oleonard:yeah sometimes I wish there were two userjs prefs: one before the koha scripts so you can stop or override them if you want, and one after so you can build on them
13:40 cait trying to adapt your sample, unsuccessful so far... will continue
13:40 kidclamp good idea cait, it's a nice intro patch just adding ids
13:44 cait growls
13:44 cait not there yet.
13:48 cait hm not getting this to work
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13:51 kidclamp trying to hide 'Current location' cait?
13:51 cait yes
13:52 cait I thin i will declare it too error-prone - worried this is going to break with updates etc because we can't address the columns
13:54 kidclamp yeah, that's a bugger
13:54 cait and have the extra features
13:54 cait like the filters
13:55 oleonard Tell them they have to shell out money for column configuration on that page :P
13:55 cait hehe
13:55 cait a ood thought, but i have my doubts
13:56 oleonard Pretty soon all tables in Koha will look like this:[…]6d6311970b-pi.png
13:56 * cait nos has to find "Tu" in the po files... wish me luck
13:57 cait heh
14:00 cait we managed for the secnd time to get the week days wrong int the calendar widget :)
14:00 cait 2 thursdays... in german now :)
14:10 oleonard So... It's not Friday in Germany, it's Thursday again? Bummer.
14:13 cait nah thursday was yesterday
14:13 cait and ... the day after monday
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14:37 tcohen @later tell wizzyrea maybe I made a mistake creating the kohadevbox:ansible branch, but I needed it for my release manager duties, and for properly testing the plack integration into packages, without breaking the one everyone was already using
14:37 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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14:52 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:52 mtompset @seen tcohen
14:52 huginn mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 15 minutes and 29 seconds ago: <tcohen> @later tell wizzyrea maybe I made a mistake creating the kohadevbox:ansible branch, but I needed it for my release manager duties, and for properly testing the plack integration into packages, without breaking the one everyone was already using
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14:53 tcohen hi mtompset
14:54 mtompset Do you have a little time to discuss filters, hashes, and bug 11592?
14:54 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 major, P3, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , opac detail scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility
14:54 tcohen shoot
14:54 tcohen (i don't, but lets try :-D)
14:55 mtompset Okay, if you look at the first splinter review on the bug and click over the
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14:56 mtompset I get that you want to use filters... I think I might have something for the GetMarcBiblio call at the top.
14:56 mtompset The issue is that the $dat is a hash of the database tables.
14:56 mtompset It isn't MARC at all.
14:56 mtompset How do you recommend filtering that?
14:56 mtompset Keep the ShouldHideMarc function?
14:57 tcohen i'd recommend that you focus on the filter, for MARC::Record objects
14:57 tcohen once it works, we'll figure how to best integrate it on the pipe
14:57 tcohen but we need the filter pushed first
14:59 mtompset because the problem is the UI uses those template variable to display values which should be filtered, but aren't, because the $dat isn't the same kind of thing.
14:59 mtompset And that will be confusing for a tester.
15:01 mtompset I'm thinking the opac/opac-detail template needs a serious refactor to clean it up.
15:01 oleonard Bug 12561
15:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12561 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views
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15:03 francharb Hi Koha!
15:03 francharb Long time no see
15:03 oleonard Hi francharb, how's it going?
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15:04 francharb Hi oleonard, pretty well. You?
15:04 mtompset Greetings, francharb oleonard
15:04 francharb o/ mtompset
15:04 * Brooke hugs francharb
15:04 mtompset oleonard: Thanks for that link.
15:04 * francharb hugs Brooke
15:04 * Brooke tackles Ruth
15:05 * druthb hugs Brooke
15:05 * francharb hugs druthb
15:05 * druthb hugs francharb.
15:05 francharb :)
15:05 * Brooke passes out <3 cookies.
15:05 mtompset Greetings, druthb Brooke
15:06 Brooke howdy mtompset
15:06 mtompset Were they made with a sugar substitute and less than 1 net carb? ;)
15:06 oleonard I'm doing well francharb, thanks
15:06 francharb :)
15:07 Brooke No but they have a suspicious .js 22meg package ;)
15:08 oleonard francharb: if you came to #koha curious to see how we're doing without, the answer is terrible.
15:08 oleonard Without you, that is.
15:08 francharb :)
15:08 oleonard Same for you druthb
15:09 druthb Aw!
15:10 oleonard I just feel like if maybe francharb and druthb were still around I would be able to tag a book in the OPAC with an emoji of a pile of poo and it would work.
15:10 francharb Now I feel bad connecting just to ask my question
15:10 francharb ahah
15:10 francharb lol
15:10 Brooke as long as you felt guilty of your own initiative, you'll keep contributing to project ;P
15:11 druthb see, oleonard, you may be right.  I'm all about adding Unicode compliance *everywhere*.
15:11 francharb that's what druthb and me make you think about, an emoji of a pile of poo? oleonard
15:11 francharb ;)
15:11 oleonard francharb: No, I'm just obsessed with Bug 15794
15:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15794 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Allow the use of emojis as tags on records
15:12 mtompset druthb: Thanks for the reminder. I want to test if I could set my password to 💩💩💩
15:12 mtompset For testing unicode compliance, of course. :)
15:13 Brooke hehehe
15:13 Brooke if you wanna test unicode compliance I could try and fish up some tasty filthy CKJ data for you
15:13 Brooke and I mean FILTHY
15:14 mtompset No, it's okay.
15:14 Brooke thought you'd see the light :P
15:15 mtompset Strangely, it let me set it, though it displays it as 6 characters instead of 3 when entering it.
15:16 * Brooke misses her super sekrit boyfriend Beau
15:17 francharb emojs as tags! sounds fun!!
15:18 francharb I realised lately that 'J' was the windows emoji for :)
15:18 Brooke 🐈
15:18 francharb I was reading emails and keep asking myself, why is there J everywhere
15:19 mtompset Brooke: You triggered a musical flashback. :)
15:19 Brooke yee haw!
15:19 Brooke I kin listen to that raght thar while lookin' over mah ASERL BBQ guide
15:20 Brooke
15:20 Brooke ^^^^^^ total #fail academics. 1 joint in the great commonwealth of virginia? THIS CANNOT STAND.
15:21 * oleonard has now forgotten what he was working on
15:21 mtompset "What do Librarians Know about Barbecue?" - that's a nice description. :)
15:21 cait francharb: what was your question?
15:21 francharb oleonard, me too!
15:22 francharb cait, what up?
15:22 francharb ah thanks
15:22 cait and hi :)
15:22 francharb does relevance ranking works in 3.20?
15:22 cait ew
15:23 francharb ahah
15:23 francharb I kno
15:23 francharb I read about it on the mailing list and zebra documentation
15:23 cait hm i sometimes refer to this, but not sure how well it covers the topic[…]elevance-in-koha/
15:23 francharb I read this too
15:24 francharb but the thing is, on my installations, records are always ordered by biblionumber when I order by relevance
15:24 francharb I enable the queryweighfield syspref
15:25 cait marc21?
15:25 wahanui i guess marc21 is at[…]hic/ecbdlist.html ,
15:25 francharb I checked the rank option in the zebra configuration file
15:25 francharb yes cait
15:25 francharb marc21
15:25 cait hm
15:25 cait i think some of the prefs don't work well
15:25 cait try to turn off autotruncate
15:28 cait hm and also stemming
15:28 francharb cait, you nailed it! It was autotruncate
15:28 francharb I tried the other one (stemming, etc)
15:28 * cait nods
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15:28 francharb but for whatever reason, haven't tried this one
15:29 francharb Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
15:29 cait np
15:29 cait i ran into the same.... and just discovered the library turned it back on *sigh*
15:29 Brooke Cait is always right, never wrong.
15:30 cait that would amke me really scary... thankfully it#s totally not true
15:30 Brooke I suspect a close shared common ancestor with Galen. >.> <.<
15:32 oleonard Brooke: She can't be *that* closely related to gmcharlt, she doesn't have any cats.
15:32 gmcharlt :)
15:39 cait oleonard: but i like cats ):
15:39 cait :)
15:39 gmcharlt cait++
15:39 cait but as single person with a small apartment that's not really an option at the moment :)
15:41 * druthb agrees with Brooke--cait is always right.  :)
15:41 cait hmpf
15:41 druthb :P
15:50 francharb Let's make a FAQ called "Cait"
15:50 francharb ;)
15:50 francharb Then we could say for any question, have you checked Cait?
15:50 francharb ;)
15:51 francharb I just hope my broken english is not innapropriate
15:51 francharb :)
15:55 Joubu francharb: try adding some more smileys ;)
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16:01 francharb (^L^)
16:01 reiveune bye
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16:17 mtompset francharb: Sorry, I was looking in another window. Your play on words was just fine. :)
16:18 medo hi all - i'm looking for some guidance on server specs for koha. the only thing i've seen so far is the requirements on the download page
16:18 medo i'm setting up a vm to try it out on, and not sure how much to allocate
16:18 mtompset medo: allocate what? disk space? memory?
16:19 mtompset How big is your test data?
16:19 mtompset Are you going to be lazy and call it production after you finish doing this? :)
16:19 mtompset Because more is always good. :)
16:20 medo haha no, definitely not production
16:20 medo but i would like to eventually test it with our full collection, 650k bibs, 2M items. maybe a few hundred clients
16:20 mtompset Okay, for tinkering around you can probably get away with 32GB (it's a nice round number) drive, and at least 1GB RAM.
16:20 mtompset Oh, testing THAT size....
16:21 medo but yes, i don't know much about setting up the vm, so i'm looking for some good numbers to give our sysadmin
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16:21 medo eventually. i'd probably start much smaller, but i'd rather only set it up once
16:21 mtompset 256GB drive space (I'm totally guessing at this), 4GB Ram.
16:23 mtompset Though, like I said more is always good.
16:25 medo thanks. i'm curious as to what other people are using - is there anything published on server specs for library/collection size?
16:28 mtompset A base install, you get 5GB drive... 2M items @ 1K each = 2GB * 6 (because Zebra is a pig, and mysql [3[zeb]+2[mysql]+1[data itself]]) = 12GB. -- Okay, what about circulation numbers?
16:28 mtompset Because lots of circulation needs more drive space.
16:30 mtompset But I've seen item entries a lot longer than 1K.
16:31 mtompset You might be able to get your 2M on a 64GB.... but I'd be worried about running out of diskspace for circulation.
16:32 Joubu bag, khall: do you have a push session planned soon?
16:32 medo circ done on the test? probably not much. if i can import with the history, maybe 1.5M circs a year
16:32 bag yes Joubu
16:33 medo maybe 400k borrowers
16:33 mtompset Wow.
16:33 Joubu bag: ok great to hear that :)
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16:46 pianohacker_DND Joubu: any reason I shouldn't QA bug 11844?
16:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11844 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Additional fields for order lines
16:47 cait hm you haven't written or signed off
16:47 cait so why are you asking? :)
16:47 pianohacker_DND cait: because of bug 15744
16:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15744 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek"
16:47 pianohacker_DND bug 15774
16:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Additional fields for baskets
16:47 pianohacker_DND that one
16:47 cait a similar feature, but not the same
16:48 pianohacker_DND coolio macaroni
16:48 cait I think i tmight even be good
16:48 cait because we should aim for some consistenc
16:48 cait y
16:48 cait with these features
16:52 pianohacker_DND cait: bug 15774 does bring that in; centralized admin screen, factoring out of code, etc etc; thus why Joubu asked for a rebase
16:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15774 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Additional fields for baskets
16:53 pianohacker_DND cait: I was gonna QA it to keep things movin, since I know you're busy atm
16:53 cait just don't push if you qa ok? :)
16:53 pianohacker_DND yar yar
16:54 pianohacker_DND that's my big red bag button is for
16:54 pianohacker_DND sorry, big red bug bag button
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16:56 cait time for weekend - bye all :)
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17:02 gaetan_B bye
17:05 * oleonard doesn't want to see what is in pianohacker_DND's bug bag.
17:31 oleonard 'Go to the admin page, the "Additional parameters" area should now have the link "SMS cellular providers"'
17:31 oleonard Oh, only if I set the SMSSendDriver preg.
17:31 oleonard pref.
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18:12 oleonard "Are you sure you want..." 87 matches. "Are you sure you wish..." 3 matches.
18:13 oleonard Perhaps we should throw in, "Is it your true desire to..." or "Have you really thought through your decision to..."
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18:34 zsolt Hi, is there an option to connect my library to other libraries<
18:41 Joubu @later tell pianohacker please do! :)
18:41 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
18:41 Joubu sorry for the lag, but big cold, I not really around...
18:42 Joubu Have a great week-end #koha!
18:52 oleonard zsolt: What do you mean by connect?
18:52 magnuse hope you feel better soon, Joubu!
18:54 zsolt If somebody searching in a koha library (not mine) to get results from my koha library too?
18:56 oleonard That might be possible if Bug 10486 can be made to work, but it's not possible now.
18:56 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC
18:59 zsolt thank you
19:15 tcohen #koha: have a nice weekend everone
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19:33 mtompset When did English become a core perl module?
19:39 oleonard ?
19:40 mtompset oleonard: Just checking if I needed to change PerlDependencies or not, in case it was a newer version of perl. :)
19:40 mtompset instead of $@ (for example)
19:40 mtompset $EVAL_ERROR
19:40 mtompset if there is a use English;
19:41 mtompset makes code more readable and get higher level of perlcritic. ;)
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20:03 mtompset Wow. My connection is flaky!
20:03 oleonard Bye #koha
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20:49 kidclamp_dnd anyone know, is C4 barcodes just dead code?
20:49 mtompset Not last time I checked, but I could be mis-remembering. :)
20:50 kidclamp so it's just broken then :-)
20:50 mtompset PDF stuff in Koha is rather poor at this time. :)
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21:10 mtompset Greetings, tcohen
21:11 mtompset If I improved the perlcritic level of test, should I put the patch on bug 6679, or create a new bug, and put a depends on?
21:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
21:14 * tcohen doesn't like patches that are too general
21:14 * tcohen means bugs
21:14 tcohen depend
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21:49 cait kidclamp: hm it's not dead
21:49 cait kidclamp: and should not be broken...
21:50 cait you usually need at least one fitting barcode for it to work in your database
21:50 cait catalog the first item manually and then if it does not work... it's broken :)
21:58 tcohen hm, barcode generators are good candidates for the plugin system
22:03 kidclamp it's broken cait
22:04 cait hmm
22:04 kidclamp at least for annual, the sql to get the max does a MAX and a GROUP BY and unpairs the correct values
22:04 kidclamp same for hbyymmdd
22:04 cait hm weird
22:04 cait there are tests for the module i think
22:05 cait tests seem ok still perl t/db_dependent/Barcodes.t
22:05 cait is it only broken in acq or also in cataloguing?
22:07 kidclamp looks like the tests don't actually write to the db
22:07 cait we have broken them a couple of times already
22:07 cait and fixed
22:08 cait if you look at bugzilla
22:08 cait pretty annoying
22:08 kidclamp I don't think anything actually uses them, the plugins use
22:08 kidclamp which says it should use
22:08 kidclamp it's only when you have more then one matchign value in the db that they are broken
22:09 kidclamp you can see the queries in and don't match
22:09 cait hm there is a C4:Barcodes in
22:09 kidclamp but it doesn't use next_value, it has it's own increment function
22:10 cait it doesn't seem to show up in context of Seirals or acq
22:10 kidclamp and it does it's ownfetch to find the highest value or it only builds off of what is passed
22:11 cait i think i can't follow - it's a bit too late here
22:12 kidclamp me too, I lost far too mich time debugging my code before figuringout (or convincing myself) that the Barcodes module is the problem
22:12 kidclamp :-)
22:13 cait maybe try with fresh eyes on monday?
22:13 cait time for a weekend? :)
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22:14 kidclamp indeed! 🍻
22:14 kidclamp 🍺
22:14 kidclamp have a good weekend cait!
22:14 cait you too :)
22:20 * pianohacker_DND wishes that MARC fields couldn't contain a-z
22:23 pianohacker_DND s/field/tag numbers/
22:26 mtompset MARC fields can contain letters?
22:26 mtompset I thought only subfields could do that.
22:26 mtompset Are you sure, pianohacker_DND?
22:27 pianohacker_DND mtompset, yes, unfortunately.
22:27 pianohacker_DND It's really rare, but there is 01e
22:27 pianohacker_DND and given that it's MARC, I didn't feell safe not supporting that in RAncor
22:28 mtompset What?!
22:28 pianohacker_DND marc--
22:29 mtompset 01e?! Where's the definition?
22:29 pianohacker_DND it's in the framework, at least
22:29 pianohacker_DND @marc 01e
22:29 huginn pianohacker_DND: unknown tag 01e
22:30 mtompset I think this might be a MARCXML extension.
22:32 pianohacker_DND entirely possible
22:32 pianohacker_DND but ISO 2709 is, as far as I know, the only thing that limits valid tag/subfield codes, and it just says alphanumeric
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22:35 mtompset[…]ma/MARC21slim.xsd
22:36 norbertDD cait *help* my z39 search doesnt work :/ where i can find logs find the problem
22:36 mtompset "This schema supports XML markup of MARC21 records as specified in the MARC documentation (see It allows tags with alphabetics and subfield codes that are symbols, neither of which are as yet used in the MARC 21 communications formats, but are allowed by MARC 21 for local data."
22:40 pianohacker_DND ...symbols?
22:41 cait yes
22:42 * mtompset smirks.
22:43 mtompset I wonder if $💩 is valid. ;)
22:43 pianohacker_DND You put that in Rancor, you get undefined behavior
22:44 pianohacker_DND undefined behavior may include but is not limited to a hand reaching out of the screen and flicking you on the nose
22:44 cait i think it depends on the docs you read
22:44 cait i just found one that says lowercase alphabetic and numeric
22:44 mtompset cait: probably true.
22:47 cait pianohacker_DND:[…]specrecstruc.html
22:48 pianohacker_DND waaaaait
22:48 cait Data element identifiers defined in MARC 21 may be any ASCII lowercase alphabetic or numeric character. In general, numeric identifiers are defined for data used to process the field, or coded data needed to interpret the field. Alphabetic identifiers are defined for the separate elements which constitute the data content of the field. The character 9 and the following ASCII graphic symbols are reserved for local definition as data element identifi
22:48 cait ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; < = > ? { } _ ^ ` ~ [ ] \
22:48 pianohacker_DND "uppercase or lowercase, but not both"?
22:49 cait strictly speaking uppercase is not allowed.... but it works
22:49 cait and i'd prefer them over !
22:53 pianohacker_DND cait: what are you quoting?
22:53 cait the document linked
22:54 pianohacker_DND which part? Because I think it's self-contradictory
22:54 cait i think it says those are for local use... but it's confusing :)
22:55 pianohacker_DND very
22:56 cait night all :)
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23:07 mtompset Try not to go insance, pianohacker_DND :)
23:08 mtompset insane.
23:08 mtompset Can't type. :P
23:08 mtompset Have a great weekend, #koha pianohacker_DND rocio
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23:50 barton ok, I'm forsaking the land of Koha, and heading for the land of Beer. or something. Have a nice weekend!
23:50 barton woops, wrong channel.
23:51 barton have a nice weekend anyway :-)
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