IRC log for #koha, 2016-02-10

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00:15 dcook Interesting...
00:15 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
00:15 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
00:16 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (1:00 PM NZDT on February 10, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
00:16 wizzyrea ^ that's the most perfect weather ever.
00:16 dcook So DateTime::Format::MySQL requires DateTime 1 but DateTime 1 is only in Jessie?
00:16 dcook Did the Koha community package that..
00:16 wizzyrea they're making you make it work on squeeze aren't they
00:16 wizzyrea nopetopus
00:16 wahanui[…]-run-away-GIF.gif
00:16 wizzyrea this way lies madness
00:17 dcook I'm seeing how far I can get, so that I can tell them why it's not going to work
00:17 wizzyrea "it's not supported" is the only answer they need
00:17 dcook We don't all have that option :p
00:17 wizzyrea of course you do!
00:18 wizzyrea it's not supported, full stop.
00:18 dcook Yeah, I suppose
00:18 dcook I suppose all our non-Debian systems are much more modern which is why they do work
00:18 dcook I was thinking about that this morning though..
00:18 wizzyrea you do have to upgrade them
00:18 wizzyrea for them to be modern.
00:18 dcook How many people in Squeeze will have auto-upgrades that break their system?
00:19 wizzyrea squeeze isn't supported anymore that I know of
00:19 dcook It's sort of LTS for Debian
00:19 dcook Because so many people were/are using it
00:19 wizzyrea "sort of" isn't good enough for a production system
00:19 dcook Tell that to most of the world :p
00:19 dcook I totally agree though
00:19 dcook Totally not good enough
00:19 wizzyrea These same people are probably still running windows XP
00:20 wizzyrea it's not supported either
00:20 dcook Almost without a doubt
00:20 dcook That one is extra scary I think
00:20 dcook I'm not even going to go into all the Windows XP systems I see in the wild which are could end so badly..
00:20 dcook I'm still curious as to how DateTime::Format::MySQL could be functional on Debian Wheezy though
00:21 dcook Wth..
00:21 dcook So this is a wheezy system I have:
00:21 dcook DateTime                                      0.75              0.58                    Yes
00:21 dcook DateTime::Event::ICal                         0.10              0.08                    Yes
00:21 dcook DateTime::Format::ICal                        0.09              0.09                    Yes
00:21 dcook DateTime::Format::MySQL                       0.04              0.04                    Yes
00:21 dcook DateTime::Set                                 0.31              0.28                    Yes
00:21 dcook DateTime::TimeZone                            1.58              1.20                    Yes
00:21 dcook Heres's the error on Squeeze:
00:22 dcook DateTime version 1 required--this is only version 0.61 at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1​/DateTime/Format/ line 8.
00:22 dcook DateTime version 1 required--this is only version 0.61 at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1​/DateTime/Format/ line 11.
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01:18 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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02:47 wizzyrea hm, what do you all think about options for the cronjobs to quiet any non-function-related messages from the cronjobs
02:47 wizzyrea I'm thinking of advanced notices, for example
02:47 wizzyrea "you do not have the enhanced messaging preference turned on"
02:47 wizzyrea what if you are a library who doesn't have that on, will never have that on
02:47 wizzyrea of course you can disable the job entirely
02:47 wizzyrea that's easy enough
02:47 wizzyrea but
02:48 wizzyrea what if then someday someone turns it on on a whim, and wonders why it's not working?
02:48 wizzyrea they have to hassle the sysadmin, who was annoyed by the messages
02:48 wizzyrea and so turned off the job.
02:49 wizzyrea I think we should just be able to quiet messages like that
02:49 wizzyrea i.e. 'yes, I heard you, now be quiet."
02:50 ibeardslee call it the "Yes Dear" module?
03:06 wizzyrea hehe
03:06 wizzyrea sure
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04:14 mtompset "Yes Dear" +1
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04:46 drojf morning #koha
05:02 mtompset Greetings, d - Oh. Missed him. :(
05:03 mtompset Have a great day (24 hour period), wizzyrea ibeardslee dac bshum kmlussier #koha
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07:17 drojf morning again ;)
07:27 cait morning #koha
07:27 cait bbiab
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07:48 lds hello
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07:56 reiveune hello
07:56 wahanui privet, reiveune
07:56 alex_a bonjour
07:56 wahanui hola, alex_a
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08:12 * magnuse forgot to wave earlier, waves now
08:12 drojf hei magnuse
08:13 drojf look what i found
08:13 drojf Wellington - Melbourne - London - Thessaloniki; 27 May 17:00 --> 29 may 13:20 [53:20h]; 1700€
08:13 drojf Wellington - Brisbane - Abu Dhabi - Berlin; 23 May 15:00 --> 24 May 13:40 [32:40h]; 755€
08:14 drojf it looks like coming from NZ to greece and not going to berlin would be a really bad idea :P
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08:15 drojf (cheapest connections i found. you can easily pay >7000€ from wellington to thessaloniki, wtf)
08:17 drojf seems to be cheaper from US too, but only a little
08:18 Joubu o/
08:18 drojf morning Joubu
08:18 Joubu morning drojf
08:20 drojf but from australia it's kind of the same going to berlin or directly to thessaloniki. flight prices are weird
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08:30 magnuse yeah, booking flights is weird
08:33 cait drojf: you shoudl send that to the nzers :)
08:35 drojf i feel like a spammer already. but maybe i will :D
08:35 drojf hi cait
08:36 drojf from the wiki (Koha_Conference_Bidding): "Rule the First: New Zealand ought hold right of first refusal for  Conferences falling during Anniversary years (10th, 15th, 25th, et  cetera). "
08:36 drojf looks like we missed that. but nz should do another kohacon
08:36 drojf so i can go there too
08:36 drojf :P
08:37 drojf now that i know it's ~750€ to get there from here. that i way less than i expected
08:38 drojf *is
08:38 cait ah... and sonish too
08:38 cait 2020 i guess :)
08:38 drojf noo too late
08:39 cait ?
08:39 drojf 2020. thats ages away
08:39 cait you will see, time flies :)
08:41 magnuse nz in 2020 would be awesome
08:42 drojf 2017 will be the 10th kohacon. that would deserve a special nz event too ;)
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08:53 * cait tries to find out how breaking of callnumbers on the labels work
08:53 cait are they using the rules from the classsortrules/classification source?
08:54 drojf i still avoid all printing stuff in koha. but i'm afraid i will need it soon
08:54 cait ... have a library asking... so too late for me to hide :)
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08:59 drojf yeah i had several that are interested in it. don't want to start looking into it before they decide on getting support :P
09:04 Joubu drojf: It's not as scary as it looks ;)
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09:06 cait Joubu: so how do callnumbers get broken on multiple lines? heh
09:06 * cait tries to scare Joubu
09:06 cait ... but he has seen it all... probably not posible
09:07 Joubu I have no idea! :)
09:07 Joubu Is there a bug report opened?
09:07 cait hm another question... non-sorting characters... does koha hate /like them?
09:07 cait Joubu: i just have a library asking how it works - but the question how to change it is probably next :)
09:07 cait
09:09 LibraryClaire hello
09:09 wahanui hola, LibraryClaire
09:09 cait hi LibraryClaire
09:09 Joubu cait: I'd say, it depends. We have a sub somewhere to handle (remove) them on display
09:10 Joubu C4::Charset::nsb_clean()
09:10 Joubu hum, it does not seem to be widely used
09:11 cait *sighs*
09:11 cait what woudl you recommend? get rid of them in the data?
09:12 Joubu where are they?
09:12 wahanui they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :)
09:12 cait in ...title fields
09:12 cait mostly
09:12 cait 240,245,246...
09:13 Joubu I think they are correctly taken into account by zebra
09:13 cait maybe we just need to try and see
09:14 cait unimarc might be different than marc21
09:14 Joubu and we have a method to handle them from a DT table, but not widely used neither
09:14 cait i think in marc21 usually it's coded into the indicators
09:14 cait not as a character.. although the options seems to exist too
09:14 cait seems non-sorting characters in marc21 exist since 2013?
09:17 drojf is that the same as non-filing characters, or i that something else? it appears to be what i thought non-filing characters are, but maybe i have misunderstood that all my life ;)
09:18 cait non-filing i think is the same
09:18 drojf ah yes it is nonfiling in marc21 specs
09:19 drojf AFAIK zebra takes care of that (as Joubu said), but we redundantly have ignored articles in the zebra config
09:23 drojf eg in /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-string-utf.chr
09:24 drojf oh it's in the english file too, just did not see it
09:25 cait more worried about display
09:25 cait and export
09:27 drojf what exactly are you worried about?
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09:32 cait strange characters showing up in zotero and the like
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09:37 rainman Evening all, does anyone have the time and expertise to help me resolve an issue with importing biblios and items from Excel?
09:38 drojf cait: oh now i get it. you don't mean indicating the number of letters but actual signs. sorry, i misunderstood
09:39 drojf i would try to get rid of them if possible
09:48 cait yeah... tending that way too
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09:58 cait no easy questions today it seems :)
09:59 cait rainman: probably not in detail - I have no experience importing from excel - but usually marcedit is one of the tools recommended to do that
09:59 drojf anyone else getting "SyntaxError: JSON.parse: expected property name or '}' at line 1 column 3 of the JSON data" in master? (in firebug)
10:01 rainman Thanks. I've got the general idea, and am using marcedit. Have figured out how to join fields so I don't get duplicate items, and it seems like my ibiblios and items are  being created 1:1. Only issue is the location and barcode etc are not being picked up on the item edit screen, which somewhat hampers circulation...
10:01 cait drojf: which page?
10:01 wahanui somebody said which page was wrong?
10:02 cait hm and have no master... only 3.20.2
10:02 drojf cait: staff client, every page
10:02 cait hm could it be the audio alerts bug?
10:02 drojf giving me the file name of the one i just open but a line number that is larger than the file. some include-stuff maybe?
10:03 drojf ha
10:03 drojf with audio alerts diabled its gone
10:03 drojf cait++
10:04 cait :)
10:05 rainman I take it all back, it seems the last batch I tried has imported with all of the data (maybe, still checking) right. Must be your godly presences.
10:06 cait hm location codes are case sensitive, so that could be a common problem
10:06 cait but barcodes seems a bit strange...
10:06 cait also you need to have one 952 per item with all the subfields that belong to that
10:06 cait item
10:08 rainman I've got a p, c, and O subfield on the 952, and the location tags I've used are case-consistent.
10:09 cait ah, small o?
10:09 cait also include a b
10:09 cait a and b should both be set to the same branchcode probably
10:09 cait hm and you probably want to include a y - itemtype
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10:11 rainman Oops yes, small o. Thanks, I'll bung in the others as you suggest. I seem to have a zebraidx issue with duplpicates from a previous run. May just start afresh and delete everything/init the index, and see how I get on with the other fields as well.
10:13 rainman One (semi-related) quick question: where I have an ISBN13 and and ISBN10, joining the fields in marcedit seems to just concat the ISBNs together rather than show them as separate things. I can rig up the spreadsheet to pick the 13 if I have it, and the 10 if not, but is there a better way that will retain both?
10:16 drojf rainman: field 020 is repeatable, you could have one for 10 and one for 13
10:16 drojf i don't know marcedit though
10:17 rainman Me neither mate :)
10:18 rainman I'm heavily in "wing it mode". The scary bit is this is starting too make a teeny amount of sense...
10:19 cait heh
10:20 cait i think instead of concatenating i woudl just add them in separate 020 entries - valid and easy i guess
10:21 rainman I've tried to mark the field as repeatable, looks better in the mrk file. I'll just import these and see how we go. Stand by...:)
10:26 rainman Woohoo! Success. Thanks so much for your help. You are scholars and gentlepersons, and have had a hand in getting a school library system sorted...
10:28 cait :)
10:35 cait hm no oleonard
10:36 cait I have a bug filing day... and sometimes you really wonder why things haven't been noticed before - bug 15782 - paging only moves you by one comment entry, not by a page...
10:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15782 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Paging on comments moderation broken
10:37 drojf what is the component in the bugtracker for? it's not really for translation issues, is it? (looking at bug 15744)
10:37 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15744 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , GlobalSys: UsageStatsLibraryType German Text 2x "Firmenbibliothek"
10:39 cait i think for things like adding new languages maybe?
10:39 cait seldomly used
10:39 cait are you fixing that right now?
10:40 drojf i will close the bug and have a look
10:43 drojf don't find it in pootle
10:43 cait hm maybe only in one version
10:43 cait did you check the pref file directly?
10:46 drojf an no it's just the bad user interface
10:46 drojf what do we call it? Regierungsbibliothek sounds odd
10:47 cait hm what is it - government something?
10:47 cait oh
10:47 cait behördenbibliothek
10:47 drojf but we also have regierungsagentur
10:47 drojf i would prefer that
10:47 drojf in a lot of places
10:47 cait hm?
10:47 drojf behörden-. we have regierungs- in other places
10:48 cait hm it hink when it's in marc i copied it over
10:48 drojf but i am not looking into that now. so i'll make it behördenbibliothek?
10:48 cait from the translation
10:48 cait for other places i am not sure
10:48 cait if you agree :)
10:48 drojf much better than the other and i don't have an alternative. so yes :)
10:49 drojf changed in 3.20 and 3.22
10:50 cait thx!
10:50 * cait dives into bug 2500
10:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2500 enhancement, P3, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Standing enhancement request for adding/updating call number splitting algorithms in C4/
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12:32 * cait waves
12:35 * magnuse waves too
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12:46 Joubu outch
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12:49 cait hey Joubu - ouch ?
12:50 Joubu ho yeah, a *%£# outch
12:50 Joubu I have a very bad news about bug 13618, but I will investigate a bit to know how bad it is...
12:50 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
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12:50 cait :(
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12:58 kivilahtio jajm: I supplied a new version of the example structure and a better validating Swagger minifier
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13:05 tcohen morning
13:13 cait morning tcohen
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13:22 oleonard Hi #koha
13:24 cait hi oleonard .)
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14:08 Joubu bag, khall: please do not push anything today, we may have to revert 13618
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14:08 khall Joubu: I'll pass that on to bag
14:09 khall Joubu: what's the problem?
14:09 wahanui
14:10 Joubu khall: the perf are terrible :-(
14:10 khall ack!
14:11 khall Joubu: do you know where the bottleneck is?
14:11 wahanui i guess the bottleneck is worse at QA, thanks to the reduced number of QAers, but only barely.
14:13 Joubu For each TT var displayed in the template, there is a call to Template::Stash::AutoEscaping->get
14:13 Joubu it's quite quick, but on some page we have 60k (!!!) vars displayed
14:14 drojf 60k?
14:14 Joubu after a quick test done on the mainpage, I have displayed 10k var and the load of the page is 10s instead of 2s without the patchset
14:15 Joubu drojf: 60.000?
14:15 khall I'm guessing only a fraction of those vars are actually displayed
14:15 drojf yes, i understood. i was just surprised by the number
14:15 khall I wonder if there is a way to only trigger the auto escape when the var is actually used
14:16 Joubu yes, me too. I am trying to get some benchmarks to share
14:24 tcohen any Koha<->ES guru?
14:26 tcohen is there any authentication layer being planned on the ES integration? I guess for multi-site deploys, we should be careful about it if we are running a single ES for all
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14:43 tcohen @later tell kidclamp ping me when u r online
14:43 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
14:51 Joubu tcohen: there is not auth layer atm
14:52 Joubu tcohen: there is no auth layer atm
14:52 Joubu you can limit the access to the index to an ip range (I guess)
14:52 Joubu But if it's on the same machine, it won't work
14:53 tcohen i think instance name would be enough to separate namespaces between index domains, at least
14:53 tcohen Joubu: would ES 2.2 work? or do we need to stick to 1.x for now?
14:53 tcohen I ask because I'm adding a task on kohadevbox playbook
14:53 tcohen to install ES
14:55 Joubu I have not tested with v2
14:55 Joubu I am using 1.4.2
15:07 tcohen Joubu: what is the lifecycle of ES?
15:07 Joubu tcohen: no idea
15:09 tcohen awesome :-D
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15:25 drojf tcohen: i can't find that information. but from the list at it has been rather short for older versions
15:27 kidclamp tcohen ping
15:27 tcohen you mentioned you managed to run the ES branch on kohadevbox?
15:27 kidclamp indeed
15:27 tcohen which ES version?
15:27 kidclamp erm, one sec
15:30 kidclamp 1.4.2
15:30 kidclamp tcohen^
15:31 tcohen thanks kidclamp
15:31 tcohen I'm pushing a patch that installs ES on kohadevbox
15:31 kidclamp awesome!
15:31 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, kidclamp
15:31 kidclamp worth it
15:32 tcohen if you remember any difficult step you made
15:32 tcohen let me know so we automate it
15:32 kidclamp hm..just remember to install java :-)
15:32 kidclamp everything went smooth
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15:32 kidclamp I think I did have to restart, but it may not be necessary
15:33 tcohen
15:34 tcohen kidclamp: ^^
15:35 kidclamp tcohen++
15:35 Joubu tcohen: you need java + elasticsearch entry in koha_conf + rebuild
15:35 tcohen Joubu: and the deps
15:35 tcohen perl deps
15:35 Joubu yep
15:35 tcohen http://debian.koha-community.o[…]koha/otherthings/
15:35 tcohen which?
15:35 wahanui which is a different bucket of crazy
15:36 tcohen there's .debs and a tar.gz with .debs inside
15:36 tcohen all of them?
15:36 Joubu should be
15:37 tcohen I will install all of them with cpanm,
15:37 tcohen no point dealing with un-tarring anything :-P
15:39 tcohen on #elasticsearch someone answered he would stick with 1.x
15:39 tcohen but the current one on the repo is 1.7.5
15:39 tcohen not 1.4.2
15:42 tcohen later #koha
15:42 tcohen slowly getting back :-D
15:42 kidclamp bye tcohen
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16:02 oleonard Is it possible to modify a search to exclude a specific item type?
16:02 oleonard For instance, a search limited to itype:DNLD --
16:02 oleonard Can I negate that itype instead?
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16:07 kidclamp not that I know of
16:10 cait hm maybe if you don't use limit... but not totally suer
16:10 cait e
16:11 cait using the 'expert search' somethe=true not itype...?
16:14 cait oleonard: ?idx=kw&q=der&op=not&idx=ity​pe&q=NORMAL&op=and&do=Search (keyword = der not itype = NORMAL
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16:18 oleonard That looks like it works cait, thanks!
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16:22 oleonard Thanks for chiming in on the Grunt/Gulp discussion pianohacker. The sound of crickets was starting to get to me.
16:25 pianohacker heh. It's something I've wanted for a while
16:31 oleonard pianohacker: Do you have an opinion about which, or a third option?
16:32 pianohacker gulp seems a bit more straightforward, but the packaging issue is a killer.
16:32 pianohacker I'd probably go with Jake; I really like broccoli myself, but it's a bit too out there for koha
16:33 oleonard ...unless we continue to keep compiled files in git, which we currently do for the OPAC
16:34 pianohacker :/ that simplifies front-end development but is a little unpleasant from a repo cleanliness perspective
16:36 bag morning
16:36 pianohacker an initial build could be integrated into kohadevbox / Makefile.PL / however the cool kids work on Koha these days
16:36 pianohacker there could even be a git hook that rebuilt the files
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16:52 Joubu Actually it does not help developers, there are several methods to generate the compiled file and it is always in conflict
16:56 oleonard Joubu: Could you explain what you mean?
16:56 Joubu oleonard: I was trying to remember where I had this discussion, but can't
16:57 Joubu oleonard: on the wiki page, there are different ways to regenerate the compiled files
16:57 Joubu depending on the methods (actually the version), the compiled file won't be the same
16:57 Joubu it's confusing, especially when QAing, because you never know if the patch is ok or not
16:58 Joubu oleonard: does it make any sense?
16:58 oleonard Joubu: Using a tool like I propose would at least get rid of the varying methods.
16:58 Joubu yes, I was not disagreeing with that :)
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17:06 bigbrovar Hi guys. I am trying to setup koha in an environment with with no working dns server. (tried setting up one with bind, powerdns and dnsmasq but no show with jessie) I resolved to install and allow it to be accessed via ip (for now) than wait for a working dns server. anyone knows how I can do this?
17:06 bigbrovar I would like something like for opac and staff client
17:09 drojf bigbrovar: change the apache config like you would for any other website. you can't use the same port for both though
17:09 wahanui drojf: that doesn't look right
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17:10 bigbrovar drojf: Thanks that is exactly what I intend to do. I guess I might have to also make some changes to the koha config
17:11 bigbrovar wahanui: you don't think that would work?
17:11 wahanui i don't know, bigbrovar
17:12 drojf i don't think so. but i have been working for 10 hours, so don't trust me :P
17:12 * drojf heads home
17:16 cait oleonard++
17:16 cait @later tell drojf ja
17:16 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
17:16 kidclamp wahanui is a bot bigbrovar
17:18 oleonard My checkout page in master is really broken. "null undefined undefined undefined undefined" in the list of checkouts.
17:18 oleonard anyone else having problems with it?
17:19 Joubu oleonard: looks ok for me on circ and moremember
17:20 kidclamp me too oleonard
17:21 kidclamp anyone else get a 500 error for checking in a barcode that doesn't exist though?
17:21 oleonard kidclamp: Yes there is a bug for that
17:21 kidclamp ah, missed that one, thanks
17:22 Joubu bug 15730
17:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15730 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , 500 error on if barcode doesn't exist
17:22 kidclamp thanks
17:24 oleonard Screenshot:[…]e5e7493f1451b.png
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17:25 bora hi
17:26 bora anyone can help
17:26 bora I want to configure send email alert for overdue
17:26 bora but don't know how
17:26 bora help pls ?
17:28 Joubu Hi bora
17:28 Joubu Did you read the doc?
17:28 Joubu http://translate.koha-communit[…]p/#noticetriggers
17:29 bora so long
17:30 Joubu oleonard: does it work on 3.22?
17:30 bora and I can't find configure
17:30 Joubu 3.1.5 is 20 lines long
17:30 bora ok
17:31 bora those is an option fo
17:32 bora it's would not work cos my server didn't install mail server yet
17:33 bora I am looking for how to setup mail server for koha send overdue
17:42 Joubu bora: you can configure sendmail or postfix, using one of the numerous tuto on the Internet.
17:43 bora can u direct me to postfix for koha
17:44 Joubu bora: how did you install Koha? Which version are you using?
17:45 bora 3.22
17:45 cait hm what's the title? maybe something with "' or similar?
17:45 cait oh, was just looking at oleonard's screenshot
17:45 Joubu bora: how did you install it?
17:46 oleonard cait: I think I may have some bad data. I'm looking further.
17:46 bora package install
17:46 wahanui package install is probably easy, if you do it on a supported os
17:46 Joubu bora: following a tuto? a wiki page?
17:47 bora with Debian os
17:47 Joubu bora: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian
17:47 Joubu so this wiki page
17:47 cait bye all - bbl
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17:48 bora do its work
17:49 bora cos we didn't install send mail or postfix yet
17:51 oleonard Never mind about my checkouts problem, it was bad data.
18:01 Joubu see you #koh
18:01 Joubu a
18:02 bag later Joubu
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19:17 oleonard khall around?
19:32 oleonard Can you search by frameworkcode?
19:35 oleonard Hm... Koha will warn you before you delete a frameworkcode which is in use but won't stop you. And it leaves the frameworkcode in existing biblios. That doesn't seem right.
19:36 oleonard For comparison: Koha stops you altogether from deleting an item type which is in use.
19:36 oleonard Should there be a difference?
19:36 eythian Most correct should win out.
19:37 eythian And I think leaving things inconsistent is far from correct.
19:39 nengard oleonard he's on a call right now
19:39 oleonard Thanks nengard
19:39 nengard :)
19:43 drojf it's on. https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_is_arriving_when
19:45 drojf that is probably the most postprivacyish thing i have ever done
19:46 * oleonard burgles drojf 's house while he's gone
19:47 drojf i will have all valuable stuff with me. please leave something nice ;)
19:48 drojf @later tell cait i have no idea what that "ja" was about :)
19:48 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
19:48 * oleonard pictures drojf at the conference wearing lavish jewelry
19:49 drojf lol
19:51 drojf but now i am scared and have to delete the page. or use a nickname that you have to google first
19:51 drojf or get a pet lion
19:53 drojf i accidentally discovered there is another drojf and he is doing some kind of dev work
19:54 oleonard Oh no your brand is being diluted
19:54 drojf that will be very funny when they break into his house while i am in greece
19:55 drojf he got the drojf twitter and openhub accounts
19:56 oleonard It will not be funny when the other drojf gets the Nobel Prize for software development.
19:56 drojf heh that chance is rather small
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20:01 oleonard "If you delete this fund, all orders linked to this fund will be deleted!" Or maybe tell me if there are any orders linked to this fund?
20:01 oleonard We are inconsistent.
20:02 drojf there you have it. changed the page to my nickname and added a pet lion and alligators to my profile
20:04 oleonard Security by absurdity.
20:04 drojf exactly
20:12 wizzyrea that conversation, well done.
20:13 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
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20:14 wizzyrea hello!
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20:20 drojf hi wizzyrea
20:20 wizzyrea hi drojf
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20:42 oleonard So anyway, bye.
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21:09 * cait waves
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21:17 wizzyrea hi cait
21:20 drojf hi cait. what was the @later about?
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21:51 cait your question about allegro :)
21:53 drojf aaah. ok. did you see the marcxml output? it's ridiculously broken
21:53 cait hm we didn't use that
21:53 drojf good choice
21:54 drojf the 900 fields become 090 and half of them is lost, 650 gets 600 and probably more
21:54 drojf really weird
21:54 cait ?
21:54 drojf i asked a library for marcxml. they send me some samples and said they are incomplete, so they also send .mrc
21:55 drojf and they differ in the way i just said. fields are mixed up, lost etc
21:56 cait don't use the marcxml? :)
21:56 drojf now that i know that… i won't. but who would expect that?
21:56 drojf i used it for somebody else (just in a test installation)
21:57 cait i think the installations might differ to - they can configure quite a lot
22:04 drojf good night  #koha
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22:13 cait back
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22:56 mtompset Greetings and apologies, #koha. :(
22:56 pianohacker ?
22:57 mtompset pianohacker: I had an inappropriate outburst of frustration over attempting to configure and get the KOCT working.
22:57 mtompset I still don't have it working fully.
22:57 mtompset I would like to try to figure out why.
22:58 mtompset KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool
22:58 mtompset Have you ever used it, pianohacker?
22:58 pianohacker mtompset: is this the executable, plugin, or in-browser version?
22:59 mtompset there's a 3rd version?!
23:00 mtompset I just thought there was a desktop version (the windoze exe)
23:00 mtompset and the firefox plugin.
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23:06 wizzyrea joubu about?
23:08 cait wizzyrea: it's after midnight :)
23:08 cait pianohacker: are you up to taking a look at a sec problem?
23:08 wizzyrea well sometimes people keep weird hours!
23:08 * wizzyrea looks meaningfully at cait
23:08 * cait is working on homework!
23:08 cait but about to upload it
23:09 cait mtompset: there is also an html5 version in koha
23:09 pianohacker cait: bug 15670?
23:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15670 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Rename "Cancel" to "Cancel hold" when checking in a waiting item
23:09 cait yep that one
23:09 wahanui yep that one is pretty cool actually
23:09 cait it needs to be fixed urgently
23:09 mtompset in koha?
23:09 cait no not cool wahanui
23:09 wizzyrea 15760
23:09 cait mtompset: it's html5 based
23:09 pianohacker cait: yeah, wiz asked me about me
23:10 cait and you said yes? :)
23:10 mtompset how do I get to it?
23:10 wizzyrea you don't
23:10 pianohacker cait: As the person who originally wrote it, I agree that the wording is confusing
23:10 mtompset okay, so it's just an API.
23:10 cait ?
23:10 wizzyrea pianohacker: I don't think we are talking about the same thing
23:10 cait nope
23:11 pianohacker but I can't fix it right now. Way too many things ahead of it
23:11 pianohacker ?
23:11 pianohacker bug 14464?
23:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14464 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Add ability to cancel waiting holds from checkin screen
23:11 wizzyrea 15760
23:11 pianohacker oh
23:11 pianohacker oh
23:11 cait a security issue, not a rename of a link - i can do that sometime :)
23:11 pianohacker bug 15760
23:11 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15760 is not accessible.
23:11 wizzyrea can you see that?
23:11 pianohacker oh, wow, okay
23:11 pianohacker nope.
23:12 cait sec
23:12 wizzyrea what email do you use for bugzilla?
23:12 pianohacker
23:12 wizzyrea check your mail
23:12 wizzyrea :)
23:13 pianohacker oh god.
23:14 wizzyrea yeah.
23:14 wizzyrea you have a minute for that?
23:14 wizzyrea or 120
23:14 pianohacker I need to lie down for a bit first, this has been too long of a day
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23:18 * mtompset is still confused.
23:20 cait the koct chapter in the manual was what i used for testing the plugin
23:20 cait i wrote a doc for our libraries not long ago, no problems with Firefox ESR that we use at work
23:21 cait going to sleep now :) bye all
23:21 wizzyrea sleep well
23:21 cait left #koha
23:21 mtompset Manual... DUH! I should have tried to look for that. But I figured KOCT would not be documented in a Koha manual.
23:24 * mtompset goes off to see if the manual clarifies this for him.
23:25 wizzyrea it's part of Koha now. The addon itself isn't in Koha but the other bits are
23:32 bag One of my favorite newish fundraising things Everylibrary https://votelibraries.nationbu[…]watermatching2016
23:33 bag we’ve helped raise another $1005 today with matches :)
23:33 dac bag++
23:38 pianohacker hey dcook
23:41 dcook hey pianohacker
23:41 wahanui regexes are AWESOME
23:41 dcook Get my message?
23:41 pianohacker yup, thanks for confirming
23:41 pianohacker wish I were surprised by this bug
23:41 dcook hehe
23:41 dcook Ikr
23:41 dcook Alas, that one is above my paygrade. Going to have to take it up with Indexdata
23:45 mtompset Nope. The manual does not help.
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23:52 mtompset AH... found the third one.

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