IRC log for #koha, 2016-02-09

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00:27 * Francesca waves
00:45 wizzyrea hi Francesca
00:46 Francesca earthquake!
00:46 wahanui earthquake is on the news
00:46 Francesca in nelson anyway
00:46 wizzyrea we felt it here
00:46 wizzyrea like jelly on a plate
00:46 Francesca ya
00:46 Francesca alex is here too
00:47 wizzyrea true
00:47 Francesca back at work then?
00:48 wizzyrea yes! finally!
00:48 Francesca yay!
00:48 Francesca hehehe stuff app: breaking news alert strong eq hits south island!
00:48 Francesca 5 mins after said eq had been noticed
00:53 Francesca @wunder nelson
00:53 huginn Francesca: Error: No such location could be found.
00:53 Francesca @wunder nelson, new zealand
00:53 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Richmond Avenue Extn, Nelson, New Zealand is 27.1°C (1:49 PM NZDT on February 09, 2016). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1006 hPa (Falling).
00:53 Francesca @wunder wlg
00:53 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 23.0°C (1:30 PM NZDT on February 09, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
00:58 Francesca wizzyrea: just filled out a felt report for geo net and borrowed your description
00:58 Francesca to me the earthquake is now known as jelly on a plate quake
00:58 wizzyrea haha
00:59 Francesca the room didnt even shake it just kinda went wibble wobble
01:00 Francesca so jelly on a plate quake seems quite suitable
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06:53 * magnuse waves
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07:24 magnuse @wunder boo
07:24 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 09, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 28.77 in 974 hPa (Steady).
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07:49 reiveune hello
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07:52 alex_a bonjour
07:53 magnuse bonjour france
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08:12 lds hello
08:12 wahanui que tal, lds
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08:20 magnuse kia ora cait
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08:31 Joubu hi
08:31 wahanui niihau, Joubu
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08:50 drojf morning #koha
09:07 magnuse moin drojf
09:10 drojf hei magnuse
09:11 drojf just got an OK for the catmandu workshop at the berlin hackfest
09:11 magnuse yay!
09:12 drojf he wanted to do it at kohacon but it's too close to ELAG
09:14 cait very cool :)
09:14 cait time to advertise on hte mailing list? :)
09:14 drojf yes, updating the wiki before
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10:24 drojf done. https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lin_Hackfest_2016
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11:57 magnuse drojf++
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12:05 drojf i'd like to have some kind of rules for announcing events on the main list
12:06 drojf maybe i am the only one who thinks its annoying to get 5 emails for one event within a single month
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12:20 drojf i added "Rules for announcements to the main mailing list " to the agenda of next meeting to find out
12:20 cait I agree, it's a bit much - but not sure we shoudl add another rule
12:20 tcohen bonjour
12:20 wahanui bonjour, tcohen
12:20 cait stll fighting with getting the things from last dev meeting in place :)
12:20 * magnuse needs to catch up on the lists - again
12:22 cait drojf: see it positive.... the event is next week :)
12:24 drojf that means another email
12:24 drojf :P
12:24 drojf and it is an example to others to do the same
12:24 drojf which i would really not like
12:24 drojf the more people do it that way, the more others feel theyx have to do it too, or their own stuff gets buried
12:28 cait hm dt-bks
12:28 cait i can't seem to find that in the index confiurations... but it works
12:30 cait oh mysteries of zebra...
12:30 * andreashm waves
12:30 cait hi andreashm :)
12:31 andreashm drojf: the berlin hackfest sounds awesome.
12:31 andreashm hi cait
12:31 drojf hi andreashm
12:31 * andreashm is even more depressed about missing KohaCon + the Berlin hackfest now. =(
12:31 drojf andreashm: you should come"
12:31 andreashm drojf: would love to, but can't.
12:31 * cait sends chocolates
12:31 cait the moveß
12:31 drojf that was not my intention :/
12:31 cait ?
12:31 andreashm the timing of Kohacon is unfortunately about as bad as it could be for me.
12:32 andreashm thanks cait! =)
12:32 andreashm cait: I'll hold you to that!
12:32 magnuse my son has his 4th birthday on june 1st - i don't want to miss that
12:33 andreashm there's always Marseille!
12:33 magnuse yup!
12:33 andreashm I hope I can make that.
12:33 cait dt-bks = 8700 = ff7-00 = 007 ,ff7-00:w:range(data,0,1) = pos. 0?
12:33 andreashm (I'm flying back to Sweden from Switzerland May 30th, so I'll miss both events, if you're wondering why I'm complaining.)
12:34 magnuse i am considering going to berlin and missing thessaloniki
12:34 andreashm magnuse: we can sit and complain in irc during the con. =)
12:34 magnuse yeah, let's!
12:35 drojf magnuse: -1 for missing thessaloniki, but +1 for coming to berlin ;)
12:38 magnuse i am not sure yet - i might miss the conference part of thessaloniki, but catch the hackfest there
12:38 magnuse druthb!
12:38 wahanui druthb is probably an amazing person
12:38 drojf andreashm: greece is just a little detour on the way to sweden ;)
12:38 andreashm drojf: haha
12:39 cait andreashm: i think a third option shoudl work... a variation of the allowonshelfholds = no - but even stricter .)
12:39 drojf magnuse: berlin is a day longer :P
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12:40 andreashm cait: holds logic makes my head hurt! =)
12:40 magnuse drojf: yup, that is great
12:40 cait andreashm: agreed
12:41 cait holds?
12:41 wahanui holds are made to sell more aspirin
12:41 cait holds?
12:41 wahanui holds are made to sell more aspirin
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12:42 andreashm cait: the problem is if you sometimes want want to allow on shelf holds, but generally do not - and want to only allow holds to be filled by the holding library... preferably with holds only allowed when all items of _that library_ are checked out. gah.
12:42 magnuse hm, according to a mail on the list, i should be "able to become op" - anyone know how to do that? is there some incantation that needs to be uttered?
12:42 andreashm iä iä
12:43 drojf magnuse: oh yes i wanted to ask you about that. you did not know? :)
12:43 drojf magnuse: try /msg chanserv op #koha
12:43 drojf i think
12:45 drojf you may have to identify too. /msg nickserv identify yourpassword
12:45 cait i thik that with the holding library i would deal with separately
12:48 andreashm cait: that is what bug 15532 does.
12:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add ability to allow only items whose home/holding branch matches the hold's pickup branch to fill a given hold
12:49 andreashm I'm just trying to think how they would work together.
12:53 andreashm cait: we will likely handle the issue locally... but would ideally like this to work for other libraries too.
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12:55 cait i'd like that too
12:55 cait your use case soudns quite familiar :)
12:55 cait i haven't taken a look at the next patch yet
12:56 cait not sure when i can currently :( but read your other comments - it hink for the first part a third options should work, will have to see the other bits
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12:59 magnuse whoo - thanks drojf
13:00 andreashm cait: ok, thanks
13:00 magnuse and yes, i had to identify first, which makes sense
13:01 drojf magnuse: irc clients do that on their own if you provide the info in your settings. i use pidgin which unfortunately sucks for irc
13:02 drojf but i don't want to have another client/messenger either
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13:09 magnuse drojf: ah, i'll have a poke around (i use XChat)
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13:18 magnuse hah, nailed it
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14:00 magnuse talljoy! nengard!
14:01 Joubu Does anyone know what's the point of the C4::Koha::subfield_is_koha_internal_p subroutine?
14:01 Joubu if the subfield is not single character, it would be used by Koha internally?
14:02 talljoy hola magnuse
14:02 nengard morning
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14:07 kidclamp I think that's the assumption joubu, if you have more than one character you are working with a koha field, not a marc field
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14:21 Joubu kidclamp: What's a Koha field in this context?
14:21 kidclamp Beyond my memory now :-)
14:23 kidclamp ah, wait, at for items display
14:23 kidclamp it is things like onloan
14:23 kidclamp which you don't put into item fields editor
14:23 kidclamp everything else you refer to by marc code
14:24 kidclamp joubu
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14:25 kidclamp I think when you edit items you actually pull the db into marc, do edits, then convert marc to db
14:25 Joubu kidclamp: yep but this subroutine seems to be only called on a subfield of a MARC::Record
14:26 kidclamp yup, as above
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14:29 Joubu it seems to be a trick to skip "tab", "repeatable", "lib", etc.
14:29 Joubu Will look at that later :)
14:30 kidclamp good luck, I only have vague memories of saying "What?" a lot
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14:32 andreashm kidclamp: converting back and forth to marc to edit items...? wow.
14:32 kidclamp don't quote me on that, but I know it gets odd
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14:38 cait Joubu: hm i have read about it on a bug report somewhere - maybe check bugzilla
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14:44 Joubu cait: I did, but have not found anything
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15:10 cait Joubu: it's hiding
15:10 cait :)
15:10 cait git blame? heh :)
15:13 Joubu you don't want to know...
15:13 cait ah
15:13 cait ok
15:14 Joubu The subroutine has been added by commit b5ecefd485a75d54a5fa26fff5a0cc890541e2c3 Date:   Mon Feb 3 18:46:00 2003 +0000
15:16 cait 2003 wpw
15:16 cait wow
15:16 cait ... but i didn't want to know! :)
15:17 cait hm can you search for commit id in the web repository?
15:18 Joubu cait: What do you mean?
15:18 cait
15:18 wahanui hmmm... is where the source code for Koha is kept.
15:19 Joubu cait: What do you want me to search for?
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15:22 cait i was wondering if you can find the commit - because i don't have my git repo at hand :)
15:22 cait but that was just a random question,
15:25 Joubu[…]ff5a0cc890541e2c3
15:26 Joubu "    Added function to check if a MARC subfield name is "koha-internal" (instead
15:26 Joubu of checking it for 'lib' and 'tag' everywhere); temporarily added to"
15:26 Joubu temporarily...
15:26 wahanui temporarily is for fines in days suspensions
15:27 cait hah
15:27 cait i can't imagine that being used... but who knows
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15:36 kivilahtio jajm: I am having a lenghty discussion in the #swagger-channel in, and there are complications :)
15:36 kivilahtio jajm: also what do you think if we used YAML instead?
15:36 kivilahtio jajm: we could put inline comments
15:37 kivilahtio jajm: and it would be a lot more easy to write. There are always some pesky trailing or missing punctuation
15:40 jajm kivilahtio, i'm not a big fan of YAML, but i don't like JSON neither, so I don't care :)
15:40 kivilahtio jajm: we are having issues with JSON
15:41 jajm but changing the format now means rewriting all pending patches
15:41 kivilahtio jajm: why is YAML not good?
15:41 kivilahtio jajm: you have to rewrite them anyway if we change the structure of the swager-files
15:41 kivilahtio it is better to make it right at once :)
15:42 jajm what are the issues with JSON ?
15:44 kivilahtio jajm: I would like to put inline comments to the swagger-files
15:45 kivilahtio jajm: I guess they might help with organizing the huge for example definition file
15:45 kivilahtio jajm: also there are a lot of issues with trailing puctation in javascript
15:45 kivilahtio jajm: there is always a point loose somewhere
15:46 kivilahtio jajm: I mean there are a lot of issues with trailing punctuation in json. Always too many or too few :)
15:46 kivilahtio jajm: that is more like an annoyance, but doubly so when merging git conflicts
15:46 kivilahtio that is annoying and takes time
15:46 jajm kivilahtio, you could have similar problems with YAML with the indentation
15:47 kivilahtio jajm: copypasting the code blocks
15:47 kivilahtio jajm: when moving code inside the same level of hierarchy, not so, there are issues with pucntuation in json however
15:48 kivilahtio jajm: intendation can be fixed with IDE indentation tools
15:48 kivilahtio jajm: but sometimes the intendation is hard to spot as well
15:48 kivilahtio jajm: even with json
15:49 kivilahtio jajm: I guess I can handle json if it feels like a chore
15:49 kivilahtio to refactor to yaml
15:49 jajm kivilahtio, as I said, I don't care much about the format, but I think the punctuation problem and the lack of comments are not enough to justify a change (swagger spec should be "self-descriptive", so you shouldn't need comments at all)
15:49 kivilahtio jajm: that is a fair point
15:50 kivilahtio jajm: I guess there needs to be deeper nesting with the swagger files then
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15:56 kidclamp anyone know why GetNormalizedISBN uses 10 digit instead of 13?
15:56 cait i think i filed a bug... for that
15:57 cait I think it stems back from the time where the cover services didn't like isbn13
15:57 kidclamp hehe, but Novelist doesn't like 10 (or at least 10 ending in x
15:57 cait file a bug! :)
15:58 kidclamp and I thought all 10 could be 13, but not all 13 could be 10
15:58 cait as you can't convert all 13 to 10... that shoudl be another reason
15:58 cait yeah,  my thought too
15:59 cait I have run into the same thing a whie ago
16:00 cait hm bug 9500 and bug 10192
16:00 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9500 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , GetNormalizedISBN only ever checks the first populated ISBN field
16:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10192 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add {ISBN13} as new parameter to  OPACSearchForTitleIn
16:00 cait i think i was told we can#t change it as some providers only use 10 (might have changed) and then filed the 10192 as we wanted to do some customization with it
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16:04 kidclamp well, opened one, so good to get inability to change on the record if so :-)
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17:17 Joubu bye #koha
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17:38 Zirok Hello everyone, Koha can be used by anyone with basic computer knowledge or special knowledge is needed for someone to work with Koha?
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17:47 eythian it can be used by anyone who can use a browser. Installation and setup requires a bit more work though.
17:48 eythian keep in mind it's typically set up by one person who knows how, for many other people to then access.
17:50 drojf and all the MARC stuff
17:50 drojf …
17:52 eythian you don't have to use that if you're on the opac end
17:53 drojf hm ok. i would not imagine a patron asking the question here, but if you read it that way :)
17:54 Zirok That means a tech man with programming knowledge is needed to setup koha correctly? Koha can't work in Windows OS it works only in Linux OS like debian?
17:57 drojf you can not run the server on windows
17:57 drojf but you can use koha on windows
18:03 Zirok So a second PC is needed to install Linux OS (Debian) this will be the server and another PC for the Koha installation?
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18:22 ibeardslee Zirok: the server has the database and application code.  the other PC just needs to run a web browser such as firefox.
18:22 ibeardslee there is no application you need to install onto the machine the library users and staff use
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18:37 Zirok thank you ibeardslee, rojf and eythian for your answers.
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20:12 pianohacker @later tell jajm I'm about to extend Koha::AdditionalField to baskets, and I have two questions: 1) should we think about making a unified admin page to avoid duplication of effort and 2) I notice that you use Koha::AdditionalField->all({tablename=>...}); isn't that a scaling issue?
20:12 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
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20:21 jajm pianohacker, 1) yes, definitely, and 2) I'm not sure to see what could be an issue here, but I find Koha::AdditionalField not very easy to use, when I think about it, it would be simpler to manipulate additional fields through something like Koha::Object
20:22 cait hm wasn#t there a bug for orders already?
20:23 cait ah, i was thinking of bug 11844
20:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11844 new feature, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Additional fields for order lines
20:27 wizzyrea hi
20:27 cait hm... [Koha-bugs] [Bug 15768] New: Deep Recursion ERROR ? mod_perl?
20:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15768 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Deep Recursion ERROR
20:28 wizzyrea hm
20:29 wizzyrea no, the news woks fine, at least on master.
20:30 wizzyrea that seems like an apache config error to me.
20:31 wizzyrea maybe when it's inside a language?
20:32 cait i was confused by mod_perl actually... but i might be confusing it
20:33 wizzyrea there is some trickery with the news when you've got multiple languages installed
20:33 pianohacker jajm: my concern about 2) is: doesn't that fetch all the values of all the fields for all the records in that table?
20:34 jajm pianohacker, i think that fetch only the fields, not the values
20:40 cait pianohacker: no khall today?
20:41 pianohacker cait: he disappeared for a baby checkup
20:41 pianohacker jajm: ah, okay :)
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20:42 pianohacker @later tell Joubu I asked wnickc to sign off on the tiny followup on bug 14658, as it could have been a QA followup. You comfortable QAing it?
20:42 huginn pianohacker: The operation succeeded.
20:42 pianohacker cait: why do you ask?
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20:44 nuentoter hello people
20:44 HortLibrarian hey is it possible to connect to this channel on the mibbit irc client
20:44 nuentoter it shouldnt matter what client you use, if im not mistaken
20:45 cait pianohacker: left him a later to check the coding guideline changes :)
20:45 pianohacker ah kk
20:46 nuentoter question.. when importing records, a large amount of them imported with a random number of items attatched already. I have been working very hard at migrating and this is one of my last hurdles
20:46 pianohacker nuentoter: how are you importing these records?
20:46 nuentoter where is the item # stored in the marc record? there is nothing in the 952$t subfield, i believe thats where it would be
20:47 nuentoter yes i am importing i just finished up doing batch conversions today so they finally work(ish)!
20:47 cait nuentoter: you have a 952 for each item
20:48 nuentoter yup
20:48 cait $t is not very important
20:48 cait it's just a copy number if you have multiple to differentiate
20:48 pianohacker nuentoter: do you want these items, or no?
20:49 nuentoter we only have single copies of almost every book, but when importing it imports 138 records and 467 items, there should be 138 items
20:49 nuentoter im not sure where the discrepency is happening though
20:49 cait can yo ushare one of your records on paste?
20:50 cait and you really have only one 952 for each item? what does a count of 952 on your marc file give you?
20:52 nuentoter ah haa cait! i just opened to copy and paste and it never occured to me, there is 4 952 lines each with a single subfield rather than one 952 line with multiple subfields in it
20:52 nuentoter back to marcedit!!
20:52 cait hehe
20:52 cait yep :)
20:52 cait that woudl do it
20:56 nuentoter YAY one step closer to having koha online for our library!
21:16 eythian[…]2/bijbels-museum/ <-- cait, another one
21:19 wizzyrea now that is an interesting museum
21:19 eythian it is
21:30 pianohacker does anybody know who maintains ?
21:30 pianohacker It seems out of date, and I'm wondering if that's because of the https conversion
21:33 cait hmmaybe
21:33 cait rangi i think, but he is still travelling
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21:42 wizzyrea I thought that was joubu
21:43 wizzyrea but then again I don't know
21:54 cait eythian: what#s next? :)
21:55 cait wizzyrea: i tihnk rangi is hosting it - but not entirely sure
21:55 eythian Not sure, though I still have another to write up anyway.
22:01 cait eythian: oh, which one?
22:01 wahanui rumour has it which one is t
22:02 eythian Cromhout House, which you have to pass through for the Bijbel Museum anyway.
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22:24 wizzyrea did you actually do them in alphabetical order?
22:25 wizzyrea walk through with blinders, then only look on the way out?
22:32 bag hola
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22:35 dcook Quick question for folks...
22:35 dcook Can Koha 3.20 even run on Debian Squeeze anymore?
22:36 dcook @later tell pianohacker Yeah, I've seen that with ICU indexing. It's bizarre. I haven't followed up with Indexdata yet as to why that might be :/
22:36 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
22:37 wizzyrea dcook: no
22:37 dcook That's what I thought
22:37 dcook On the plus side, that frees up my day
22:37 wizzyrea \o/
22:37 dcook Well...
22:37 wizzyrea on the bad, it means you've got an OS upgrade to do :P
22:37 dcook Except that I'll probably be told to make it work
22:37 dcook I'm only application level support for this one :/
22:37 wizzyrea well, upgrades from squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie are pretty painless
22:38 dcook Well, it's not exactly Squeeze
22:38 wizzyrea no, the answer is no.
22:38 dcook It's a Squeeze based distro
22:38 wizzyrea no, nope, and no.
22:38 dcook Hehe
22:38 * dcook is inclined to say that
22:38 wizzyrea nopetopus
22:38 wahanui[…]-run-away-GIF.gif
22:38 dcook I love that thing
22:38 dcook I do that around the house sometimes >_>
22:38 wizzyrea lol
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23:15 * Francesca waves
23:16 * dcook waves too
23:16 Francesca hi dcook
23:16 dcook heya Francesca :)
23:17 Francesca hows it going?
23:17 dcook Oh, busy and interesting as always
23:17 dcook You?
23:17 wahanui You are welcome
23:17 Francesca I am hot
23:17 Francesca hanging out at my mums work on the last day of my holiday in nelson
23:17 dcook Where's she work?
23:18 Francesca WOW
23:18 dcook ?
23:18 Francesca (world of werable arts)
23:18 dcook Ah, I thought World of Warcraft
23:18 Francesca shes the new CEO
23:18 Francesca hahahahaha nope
23:18 Francesca dont think thats quite my mums style
23:20 Francesca so dcook
23:20 Francesca hows aussie atm
23:20 * dcook looks out the window
23:20 dcook Not too bad :)
23:21 Francesca @wunder nelson, new zealand
23:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Richmond Avenue Extn, Nelson, New Zealand is 27.4°C (12:20 PM NZDT on February 10, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
23:21 Francesca @wunder syd
23:21 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 26.0°C (10:00 AM AEDT on February 10, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
23:21 dcook Hmm I doubt it's really that warm
23:22 dcook Although I don't really feel the heat too much
23:22 Francesca I find it hard to believe that nelson is hotter than sydney
23:23 dcook It was quite comfortable when I was walking to work?
23:24 Francesca yeah this morning was nice here as well
23:24 Francesca but now its just really hot
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