IRC log for #koha, 2016-01-12

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00:00 dcook I suppose a bare record isn't likely to come up in many searches anyway
00:03 dcook In theory, we could do that thing that other ILSes do too where a new bib record has a status of "n" and then they age to "c"
00:04 dcook And use that for "new records"
00:04 wizzyrea that has potential uses.
00:06 pianohacker I always feel weird about using MARC21's features for their intended purpose
00:06 dcook hehe
00:06 dcook Speaking of which, does anyone have any UNIMARC records laying around?
00:07 dcook MARCXML preferably
00:07 dcook Let's see if the BnF show marc..
00:08 dcook Formatted MARC:[…]=4&host=catalogue
00:08 dcook Who knew that "Intermarc" was a thing?
00:10 dcook Actually there must be a BibLibre demo..
00:11 dcook Hmm looks like the leader is the same
00:11 dcook Err
00:11 dcook When you download a UNIMARC record in Koha, it still uses MARC21 schemas.. I wonder if that's right..
00:11 * dcook thought that UNIMARC might have a different schema
00:15 pianohacker dcook: into a MARC21 install?
00:15 dcook Maybe no one uses[…]/unimarcslim.html
00:15 dcook pianohacker: I'm just using BibLibre's demo site
00:15 dcook Saved to MARCXML from there
00:15 pianohacker hm
00:15 dcook[…]?biblionumber=301
00:15 dcook Makes sense as MARC::Record assumes the MARC21 MARCXML schema too
00:15 pianohacker that's definitely using a UNIMARC framework
00:16 dcook Yeah, I just wonder if Koha uses UNIMARC correctly, but that's waaaaaay none of my business
00:16 dcook But biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl for UNIMARC doesn't touch the leader at all :S
00:16 pianohacker it's barely Koha's business. The UNIMARC stuff doesn't get as much love
00:16 pianohacker dcook: could it be in the 100 tag? I know UNIMARC puts a lot of fixed fields in there
00:17 dcook That's what I was wondering, but I don't see them indexing anything for that sort of info
00:17 dcook Like record type
00:17 dcook But surely..
00:17 dcook Maybe that concept doesn't exist in UNIMARC though
00:18 dcook I'm reading that UNIMARC has a "label" or leader as well
00:18 dcook Oh, and that BnF record had this:
00:18 dcook 000 cas 22 3 450
00:18 dcook Although that looks a bit incomplete
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00:18 dcook Even if spaces were accidentally merged
00:19 dcook Ah, this is the one:[…]notice-6-2010.pdf
00:19 dcook Mathieu Saby linked that
00:19 dcook Years ago
00:20 dcook Seems like the leader is slightly different in UNIMARC..
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01:17 dcook Hmm... I might let someone else provide a UNIMARC follow-up...
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01:38 dcook At the wrong end of the day in any case
01:57 dcook Now what do we use for warnings/alerts...
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02:15 dcook It's a shame OpacSuppressionRedirect is named that..
02:27 dcook Hmm git bz doesn't seem happy..
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03:30 dcook Why are we still using biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml...
03:30 dcook Oh wait, it does have some benefits...
03:30 dcook Easier to organize and removes manual work..
03:31 dcook I know tcohen added something to make it easier to add conditions...
03:31 dcook bug 14217
03:31 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14217 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Add a DOM syntax for specifying conditions on indexes
03:32 dcook Hmm that's inefficient for what I want to do..
03:32 dcook But it should work..
03:33 dcook So that should be in Koha 3.22...
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03:36 dcook Praise be to tcohen!
03:36 dcook tcohen++
03:55 dcook rangi: Are you still around to answer questions about things for the Academy?
03:55 dcook Just wondering if I can add the keyword to some more bugs..
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04:20 dcook Oh, I forgot it was 2016...
04:20 dcook Time to start testing once again..
04:23 ibeardslee heh
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04:23 dcook I was so busy in 2015... so I didn't contribute much :/
04:23 dcook Of course, I'm ultra busy now... and I'm having a baby...
04:23 dcook Well, I'm not having the baby
04:23 dcook My wife is having the baby..
04:24 * dcook would be rather impressed if he were able to give birth himself... his wife would also be thrilled by this prospect
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04:29 dcook ICU indexing... you strike again...
04:42 dcook $*)&%@%
05:04 dcook Man... phrases-icu.xml is not in a good way
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05:49 dcook Actually, it's OK I guess.. it just looks weird by comparison
05:49 dcook And different to CHR of course..
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07:04 ashimema morning #koha
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07:58 alex_a bonjour
07:58 wahanui niihau, alex_a
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08:10 reiveune hello
08:10 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
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08:19 * magnuse waves
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08:31 gaetan_B hello
08:34 cait morning all
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08:54 LibraryClaire morning #koha
08:55 * cait waves
08:57 * LibraryClaire waves back
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09:05 * magnuse waves again
09:08 LibraryClaire hey magnuse
09:13 Joubu hi
09:13 wahanui hi, Joubu
09:14 * magnuse wonders if bug 3092 can be closed
09:15 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, rinku7134, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
09:16 cait i never quite understood it
09:18 * magnuse neither - and i don't feel tempted to read it all
09:19 magnuse comment #2 from jared seems to make sense, though[…]ug.cgi?id=3092#c2
09:19 huginn` Bug 3092: normal, P1 - high, ---, rinku7134, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
09:21 cait not sure i am brave enough to close :)
09:23 cait it's a bit hard to tell really -it's too big to handle the way it is
09:26 * cait gives up
09:30 cait ok, commented... let's see what happens :)
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09:35 magnuse cait++
09:36 magnuse +1'ed
09:48 ashimema anyone else seeing bug 14892
09:48 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14892 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Initial checkin of an item to be transferred shows incorrect holding location
09:49 ashimema 'tis confusing me and wondered if anyone was already looking at it
09:49 cait hm not me
09:49 cait we don't have a lot of libraries with multiple branches
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09:50 ashimema thanks cait
09:50 cait @later tell khall please take a look at the comments on bug 14694
09:50 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
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11:32 * andreashm waves
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12:12 magnuse tjänare andreashm
12:12 andreashm tjena magnuse!
12:31 * cait waves
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12:48 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:49 cait hi oleonard :)
12:55 LibraryClaire hi oleonard
12:55 oleonard @wunder 45701
12:55 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is -0.8°C (7:55 AM EST on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 4 am EST Wednesday...
12:56 oleonard it's our first real winter weather yet
12:56 oleonard Christmas day felt like spring
12:57 cait super rainy here still
12:59 LibraryClaire grey an' 'orrible
12:59 * cait nods
12:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
12:59 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 5.5°C (1:59 PM CET on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
13:00 LibraryClaire @wunder LCY
13:00 huginn` LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 7.0°C (12:50 PM GMT on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady).
13:02 magnuse @wunder boo
13:02 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (1:50 PM CET on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady).
13:10 andreashm anyone heard of trouble logging in to Koha (3.22.01) with Safari? It seems to be connected to Java.
13:10 oleonard What kind of trouble andreashm, and why do you think it's connected to Java?
13:10 andreashm (If the security setting is changed to "Allways allow" in Safari, it works... but that is hardly something that you can require your patrons to do)
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13:11 oleonard andreashm: Koha uses JavaScript but not Java.
13:11 andreashm it gives a "server is busy" error message
13:13 andreashm it's sometimes possible to log in if Java is disabled at the server, but only sometimes.
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13:14 oleonard andreashm: I suppose if something else on the server is using Java and it's causing a problem? I don't know.
13:15 oleonard andreashm: A server problem would not appear only in one browser. Have you tried another?
13:15 andreashm yup
13:15 andreashm works in chrome and firefox
13:15 andreashm probably others, I haven't checked.
13:16 andreashm (It is another Swedish library who are experiencing this problem.)
13:21 cait maybe they mean javascript?
13:21 magnuse i have seen some trouble with safari, but i don't remember the details
13:22 andreashm cait: possibly
13:23 andreashm but it seems like a strange error, and one that should have appeared sooner if it affected others using 3.22.01 I would think, considering the numbers who use iOS
13:25 andreashm yeah, my bad, it seems connected to the javascripts.
13:26 oleonard Safari on iOS with content blockers active?
13:27 andreashm Safari on both iOS and Mac
13:28 oleonard I have successfully logged into a couple of Koha demos with Safari on iOS, but not 3.22.01 specifically. Need more details about the error I think.
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13:30 andreashm I can log in to a 3.20.05 with Safari, but not 3.22.01
13:30 cait andreashm: maybe a screenshot?
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13:31 andreashm it works if I disable WebGL
13:31 andreashm (or sets it to "Always allow"
13:37 andreashm cait: yeah, but not that much to see. I log-in page first and then an error message (in Swedish)
13:42 magnuse might still be interesting to see the error message
13:47 andreashm "safari cannot open the page because it could not connect to the server"
13:47 andreashm it also works if i disable the pop-up blocker
13:49 andreashm is there a pop-up when logging in?
13:49 magnuse not with the ordinary login at least. just a regular form
13:52 andreashm ok, thanks magnuse
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14:02 cait andreashm: there can be a modal ...
14:02 cait but that's not really a pop up i thin?
14:08 andreashm there is a modal there?
14:08 cait that's login, right?
14:08 cait if you don't use cas or ldap i think it's a modal
14:08 andreashm yes
14:08 cait hm or shibboleth
14:09 * ashimema ears prick up
14:09 ashimema shib does modal too
14:09 cait ah sorry
14:09 cait then it was CAS? I thin for one we moved it back to the normal login page
14:10 ashimema cas and ldap could too without much effort ;)
14:10 ashimema cas
14:10 ashimema yes
14:10 cait i thik the reasoning was too much text in the modal
14:10 cait so it gets too big .)
14:10 ashimema there was a technical reason i seem to remember.. beyond the modal size
14:10 cait andreashm: maybe try different ways of loggin in - using the link on top vs. using the "login page" .../cgi-bin/koha/
14:10 ashimema but yeah.. you are right.. the modal could get a bit big ;)
14:11 cait hm maybe something about the redirect? not sure
14:11 andreashm thanks cait!
14:11 andreashm searching for modal javascript safari shows some similar issues
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14:16 andreashm something with the bootstrap modal
14:17 cait has someone tested the new feature for uploading files to koha by chance?
14:18 cait the database structure suggests there is a field for 'owner'
14:18 magnuse nope, but i had a couple of reports about uploading local images not working. have not been able to reproduce yet
14:18 cait i just want ti know if ti's uwed and what is in there - ther eis no fk on borrowers
14:19 cait if it's used...
14:19 cait i can't type
14:21 cait it looks like the borrowernumber
14:25 cait hah bug 14849
14:25 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14849 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Owner should be FK in uploaded_files
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15:37 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15367: Do not display repeatable patron attributes in the batch patron modification <[…]a4c9fd469660e6e5d>
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15:47 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15501 - Planned Irregularities are deleted when modifying subscription <[…]da2d5fefb43a1de35>
15:53 jajm fredericd, have you seen my comments on bug 6657 ?
15:53 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6657 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Making 999 visible in framework duplicates 999 entry and affects index
15:53 jajm cc Joubu
15:56 Joubu jajm: does it fix the issue?
15:56 Joubu without fredericd's patch?
15:57 jajm Joubu, it fixed it for me at least (i'm testing on 3.18.x)
15:58 Joubu jajm: I am not sure it can fix it correctly, it will fix the infinite loop, but not the biblionumber tag issue
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16:00 jajm I didn't try to create authorities
16:02 jajm Joubu, maybe we should do both ($isbiblio param, for loop), I really don't like the 'if' with an empty body :)
16:03 Joubu yes, definitely, the while is bad
16:04 jajm ok I'll rewrite my patch
16:07 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15512 - Minor regression caused by Bug 7369 - warn on deleting item not triggered <[…]233c099411f5e2e2a> / Bug 15473: Make Koha::Objects->find accepts 0 and '' as a key <[…]5c3b7f3abc3e7e3c4>
16:10 reiveune bye
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16:19 huginn` New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15477: (follow-up) Bug 14100: Better errors handling <[…]0fe77d7dc16014ca6> / Bug 15487: Fix encoding issue on localization <[…]840aea2c2f82ef97c>
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17:10 Joubu bye #koha
17:24 gaetan_B bye
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18:41 magnuse @wunder kautokeino
18:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Enontekio, Norway is -27.0°C (8:20 PM EET on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -30.0°C. Windchill: -34.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
18:41 magnuse @wunder karasjok
18:41 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Banak, Norway is -23.0°C (6:50 PM CET on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -30.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
18:45 bag magnuse: knuckles
19:30 druthb @wunder 77447
19:30 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Blueberry Farm, Hockley, Texas is 15.8°C (1:30 PM CST on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Rising).
19:30 druthb @wunder 77098
19:30 huginn` druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 16.1°C (1:30 PM CST on January 12, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Rising).
19:30 druthb noticeable difference between home and office--just like fuel prices.  :P
19:39 magnuse bag: HI
19:39 wahanui bonjour, magnuse
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19:55 kathryn hi everyone :)
19:56 rangi morning
20:01 rangi @later tell dcook you can tag any bugs you like Academy up to and including next friday
20:01 huginn` rangi: The operation succeeded.
20:06 bag learning about BibFrame from talljoy
20:06 bag pretty cool stuff
20:09 kathryn hi bag :)
20:10 bag heya kathryn
20:10 wahanui kathryn is, like, on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.[…]s720/ROSS9901.JPG
20:10 kathryn oh eythian ....
20:11 kathryn seriously, I think it's because he wants me to learn how to tell wahanui to do things
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20:33 * JesseM waves back at cait1
20:33 JesseM How are you cait1
20:34 cait1 good :)
20:34 cait1 and you?
20:34 JesseM good as well :)
20:38 cait1 excellent :)
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22:51 eythian kathryn: :D
22:52 kathryn hiiiiii eythian
22:52 eythian hello
22:52 wahanui bonjour, eythian
23:01 eythian kathryn: what's new?
23:01 wahanui it has been said that new is ok
23:04 eythian oh, it's actually late, I should go to bed.
23:04 eythian later
23:05 kathryn night eythian - not much new. Well, everything is new for Frida, she has a lot of news :)
23:05 kathryn catch you later
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