IRC log for #koha, 2015-12-23

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02:17 dcook Hmm... I need a display that constantly shows me time in both Australia/Sydney and UTC... that would be fantastic...
02:18 dcook I don't know if I'd want a software-based solution though, as that would take up valuable screen space
02:19 dcook Apparently you can do it with Windows but you have to hover over the clock with your mouse...
02:19 dcook I guess that's ok..
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05:17 ashimema 2 down, 4 to go
05:20 dcook O_O
05:20 dcook Also hey ashimema
05:20 dcook Earlier/later than I thought it was
05:22 ashimema hi dcook
05:22 ashimema long time no see
05:22 ashimema 5.20am here
05:22 dcook Yeah, I just looked you up :p
05:22 * ashimema curses baby for waking him up
05:22 dcook hehe
05:22 dcook That'll be me soon...
05:22 dcook 11 more weeks?
05:22 ashimema you looked at bug 15380 at all?
05:22 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15380 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Move the authority types related code to Koha::Authority::Type[s] - part 1
05:22 * dcook hopes that someone is coordinating a Koha onesie...
05:23 ashimema 11 weeks, awesome.. congrats
05:23 dcook Oh man... not even a little bit
05:23 dcook 11 weeks left to go :p
05:23 ashimema :)
05:23 dcook 29 weeks along
05:23 dcook I've had so much on my plate this year
05:23 dcook Working on bug 10662
05:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10662 new feature, P3, ---, dcook, In Discussion , Build OAI-PMH Harvesting Client
05:23 dcook Plus a non-Koha project
05:23 ashimema yeah.. I saw that.
05:23 ashimema exciting :)
05:23 dcook Doing some DSpace right now as well
05:23 dcook Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it :)
05:23 ashimema I've been mostly on non-koha stuff the last year
05:24 dcook Yeah? How's that been going?
05:24 ashimema but am trying to get back into koha next year.
05:24 dcook :D
05:24 ashimema non-koha has been great :)
05:24 dcook That's really good to hear :)
05:24 ashimema I've learnt so much from working with perl in a new project
05:24 dcook Me too :)
05:24 dcook High five!
05:24 ashimema really showed me how poor the koha code is though ;)
05:24 dcook Haha
05:24 dcook Well, if it makes you feel better...
05:25 dcook I've looked at a different Perl project which doesn't stack up so well next to K oha
05:25 dcook Koha*
05:25 ashimema well.. poor meaning 'in need of update'
05:25 dcook Makes Koha look like a shining beacon of hope
05:25 ashimema really.. what project ?
05:25 ashimema we found that with Cufts/Godot
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05:25 dcook Looong story
05:25 ashimema made koha look nice
05:25 dcook Cufts sounds familiar..
05:25 ashimema our new project uses Mojolicious
05:25 dcook What's the project you've been doing?
05:25 dcook Oh nice
05:26 dcook I've looked at the Mojolicious docs a bit
05:26 dcook I've been using Catalyst on the other one
05:26 ashimema it's a reading lists product
05:26 dcook So Mojolicious looks familiar
05:26 ashimema mojo backend and angular front end
05:26 dcook Nice
05:26 dcook I'd love to see core Koha re-written with Mojolicious..
05:26 ashimema Mojo is pretty darn stable now, so well worth playing with.
05:26 ashimema I'm loving the non-blocking features
05:27 dcook Yeah, that's what I was looking at the other day
05:27 ashimema makes async in perl almost easy ;)
05:27 dcook haha
05:27 dcook Yeah, I've been using POE a lot on my other project
05:27 dcook And I'm using it with the OAI
05:27 dcook Intimidating at first, but not bad once you get it
05:27 ashimema there is the rest stuff in now.. that's Mojo based..
05:27 dcook Yeah, I saw that
05:27 dcook Not a required module but still
05:27 ashimema problem is. it's locked to the debian packaged version of mojo.. which is pretty out of date
05:27 dcook Ahh yeah, I guess so, eh?
05:27 dcook Even Jessie?
05:28 ashimema not checked for a while.
05:28 dcook Wouldn't be surprised
05:28 dcook I just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie at home, and loving it
05:28 ashimema but Mojo is generally a pretty fast moving dependancy.. we should keep up for the sakes of security and maintainbility
05:28 dcook Although I haven't actually checked out all my newer versions of things yet..
05:28 dcook The upgrade accidentally removed some stuff it shouldn't have which didn't please me..
05:28 dcook Yeah, fair enough
05:29 dcook I guess that's the one thing with frameworks..
05:29 dcook What OS do you use on the other project?
05:29 ashimema Jessie ;)
05:29 ashimema we're very much
05:29 ashimema a debian shop here
05:29 ashimema the big but is that in our other project we aren't even going to try to support packages.
05:30 ashimema instead we have a simplistic heroku like setup.
05:30 ashimema with the entire perl stack encapsulated
05:31 ashimema with continuous integration in mind.. I've built a Mojo command for deployment
05:31 dcook Haven't played with Heroku, but I think I get the picture
05:31 dcook I really want to play with Docker at some point..
05:31 ashimema so.. deploying a new version to prodcution is as simple as
05:31 ashimema rebus deploy prod_1
05:32 ashimema where 'rebus' is our app name, 'deploy' is the command name and 'prod_1' is the production server name alias
05:32 ashimema I ended up finding Docker a bit heavy
05:32 dcook Nice :)
05:32 ashimema but maybe that was just the learning curve
05:32 * dcook looks up Heroku
05:33 dcook Yeah, could be
05:33 dcook I used to think that with POE
05:33 dcook But that's cool
05:33 dcook So new version being a new version of the whole stack?
05:33 dcook Like... Mojo 2.x instead of 1.x?
05:33 ashimema pretty much yeah
05:33 dcook Nice
05:33 dcook Yeah, don't even get me started on my other project... hehe
05:33 ashimema we have a cpanfile (and cpanfile.snapshot)
05:34 dcook I have a lot of work to do to update it..
05:34 dcook It's behind so many firewalls as well which is fun
05:34 ashimema and use Carton to manage our dependancies and plenv to manage our local perl versions.
05:34 ashimema the deploy command basically ssh's to the prod server.
05:35 ashimema pull's the latest production branch from github
05:35 ashimema runs carton install --deploy to update all the cpan dependancies
05:35 ashimema then hot restarts the app's service
05:36 ashimema as it's all persistent you can change the code in the background whilst the app's still running
05:36 ashimema then the hot deploy basically 'just works'
05:36 ashimema needs more testing, but so far it's working really nicely.
05:36 dcook Yeah, I've had that as well. Loooove persistence.
05:36 dcook That's nice that you have it all working so well :)
05:38 ashimema hmm.
05:38 ashimema I'm currently trying to work out the difference between a Koha::Authority and a Koha::MetadataRecord::Authority in Joubu's patches
05:39 dcook Good luck to you
05:39 dcook I'm trying to figure out whether someone has changed this DSpace code or not..
05:39 dcook (another development practice which is not good..)
05:39 dcook Should be able to just look at git, but anyway..
05:39 ashimema indeed
05:40 dcook I just help out with it sometimes
05:40 dcook I'm the boss of Koha, but not DSpace :p
05:40 dcook Maybe boss is too strong of a word
05:41 ashimema lol
05:43 dcook Blarg... no code change per se..
05:44 dcook Looks like CSS issues..
05:44 * dcook doesn't get the desire to squish pages into a narrow column with lots of whitespace
05:44 dcook Seems so passe now
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05:52 dac Err
05:52 dac die dcook die...
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05:53 dac :S
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05:54 dac NickServ, you're a bloody liar...
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05:55 dcook That was weird..
05:56 dcook Now why would DSpace put a col-md-10 within a col-md-12 and have its children add up to 12 when it only has 10 to give..
05:58 ashimema lol
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05:58 dcook I guess it still adds up to 100% :S
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06:00 dcook The date field is just now too small for anything to be entered..
06:00 dcook But that's because a higher element is too narrow... and the effects just cascade down..
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06:07 ashimema 3 down
06:07 ashimema your up early Joubu
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06:24 dcook Defo a bug with DSpace je pense
06:25 dcook Such have a min-width at least for some of these inputs so they don't become unusable like this..
06:25 * dcook is such a workaholic..
06:28 ashimema - If only all support was so simple ;)
06:51 dcook Well I've got to run
06:51 dcook Happy holidays folks :)
06:51 dcook See ya ashimema!
06:51 ashimema bye dcook
06:51 ashimema have a good one
07:09 ashimema OAuth as a service provider is 'interesting'.. so many auth flows
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07:53 reiveune hello
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07:59 gaetan_B hello
07:59 laurence bonjour
08:01 ashimema mornin'
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08:02 bora hello
08:02 bora anyone there ?
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08:21 cait morning #koha
08:33 cait @later tell drojf 3.22 - 3.18 po files checked and ok
08:33 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
08:38 cait bgkriegel++ for making framework traslations a thing :)
08:59 Joubu Thanks a lot ashimema for Qaing the rewrite scripts!
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09:07 ashimema no worries.. you can thank millie for waking me at 3.30am this morning ;)
09:08 ashimema the last one I had a comment for frederic's followup..
09:08 ashimema I didn't understand it thoroughly enough to signoff on it.. needs a bit more effort
09:08 ashimema but the code generally looks good
09:09 ashimema I'll try to get to the other which I've not looked at yet later today.
09:09 * ashimema has decided that Mojolicious::Plugin::OAuth2::Server may be a really nice addition to the Koha REST Api's.. could solve all our authentication woes in one nice hit
09:11 ashimema pretty much covers all angles..
09:11 * ashimema has been reading the specs this morning
09:13 nlegrand hey #koha
09:19 cait hi nlegrand :)
09:23 Joubu millie++
09:25 ashimema interesting: - I bet a bunch of providers don't do that
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09:53 drojf hi #koha
09:53 cait hi drojf :)
09:54 drojf oh you beat me :)
09:54 drojf cait++
09:55 cait a good easy task to wake up to:)
09:55 drojf i woke up to more data migration :D
09:55 cait new data? or same as last night?
09:55 drojf but done for now, so i came to check if you tested already
09:56 drojf same. last bits and pieces, and some more questions to the library
09:56 drojf now to authority data :D
09:56 cait sounds like serious fun
09:58 drojf it is. nothing to migrate, but trying to magically get some from the GND
09:59 drojf oh, you asked about the time… 1237176 MARC records done in 16054.2800681591 seconds. for the "körperschaften" part
10:00 drojf but i dont know the full reindex time, i had to start it 3x because the VM was too small. and then i lost track of time ;)
10:08 cait heh
10:08 cait and seconds is not a comfortable format
10:08 cait curious how it turns out in the end
10:08 cait why are you loading them in the first place?
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11:35 bora hello I have upgraded from koha v 3.12 to 3.22
11:35 bora the process update was successful
11:35 bora but at the end I got database connection error
11:36 bora anyone help pls
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11:39 bora hi
11:39 nlegrand hey cait o/ (rather lagging today ^^)
11:39 bora anyone there
11:39 bora I got a problem when make an update koha version 3.12 to 3.22
11:40 bora I got database error
11:40 bora anyone can help pls
11:41 cait waht is the database error?
11:43 bora DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::dbh(): DBI Connection failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
11:44 bora '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Storage/ line 1253. at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/ line 89
11:44 cait hm
11:44 cait did you change something in your installation?
11:45 cait it seems like the mysql connection data are not correct
11:45 bora actually  it's work
11:45 bora but some I got an error
11:45 bora to get it woek I have to restart my server
11:46 bora when I got an error I make a restart
11:46 cait i am sorry, i haven't heard of any problems like this
11:46 bora ok
11:46 cait are you using plack?
11:47 bora what plack is?
11:47 cait did you try to google the mysql error message? maybe it can give you a clue
11:47 cait if you don't know what it is - you are probabl ynot using it :) it has to be set up
11:47 bora so what is plack how it work with koha
11:47 cait googling  Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket points to a potential issue with your mysql configuration
11:48 cait it's optional
11:48 cait i think nothing you have to worry about now
11:48 cait i was just trying to limit the problem
11:49 bora I see
11:49 bora while I make upgrade koha version I also make an update server
11:49 bora may be that time my sql also updatd
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11:59 bora hi
12:32 tcohen morning
12:32 tcohen cait: jenkins is testing the po files already (master and 3.22)
12:42 cait tcohen: but will it fix them? :)
12:42 tcohen nope, just warn the release maintainer
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12:42 cait :)
12:42 tcohen maybe we should better add it to the qa tools
12:43 cait hm not sure
12:43 cait the po files are directly pushed before release
12:43 tcohen exactly
12:43 cait only a short timeframe in between - so probably no chance for trnslators to fix then
12:43 tcohen ah, i just check they are well formed
13:05 ashimema thanks for the heads up on bug 13719 joubu
13:05 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13719 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Make Koha::Objects store list of resultant objects on an as needed basis
13:05 ashimema anyone else familiar with dbic feel free to comment too
13:05 cait sorry, not me then :(
13:06 ashimema in my opinion, it would be a pretty nasty memory leak
13:06 ashimema but I 'might' be wrong
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13:26 tcohen is broken in 3.20?
13:31 cait there is a bug report about it being very slow in 3.22
13:31 cait nothing heard about 3.20
13:32 tcohen ok
13:33 ashimema dcook would know
13:44 * ashimema is slowly coming round to the Mojo::Pg side of thinking.. Pg's has some awesome async stuff
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15:03 gaetan_B bye
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15:14 tcohen @seen thd
15:14 huginn` tcohen: thd was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <thd> Back to backups.
15:16 tcohen @later tell thd, I'd like to talk with you about SimpleServer
15:16 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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15:42 circ-user-gWHRt hi
15:43 kidclamp hello circ-user-gWHRt
15:44 circ-user-gWHRt can u guide me how to migration from koha version 3.12 to the latest version ?
15:45 circ-user-gWHRt [ddd]d
15:45 kidclamp I can try to point you in the right direction.  Do you know how your koha was originally installed?  Source or package?
15:46 circ-user-gWHRt package
15:46 kidclamp performing an update and upgrade on your linux host system should upgrade koha automatically then
15:47 kidclamp though I would recommend making backups just in case
15:47 circ-user-gWHRt yes i have backup
15:47 kidclamp[…]rade_Instructions
15:47 kidclamp the upgrade instructions are ubuntu but should apply to debian
15:48 circ-user-gWHRt this is upgrade but i am not look for upgrade
15:48 circ-user-gWHRt i want to install a fresh koha latest version
15:48 circ-user-gWHRt and want to move all record from my old version to a new version
15:49 circ-user-gWHRt sin my old server going to retired
15:49 circ-user-gWHRt actually we dont used VM we install direct on host marchine
15:50 kidclamp I think a dump of your current and a restore on a new should be upgrade the db
15:50 kidclamp[…]e_Debian_packages
15:51 kidclamp but testing first is always best
15:53 circ-user-gWHRt do the latest version has different field on database ? if make a move the old db will not support the new version! its correct?
15:56 kidclamp I 'think' the database upgrade will activate automatically, but testing to see if there are any problems is always best
15:57 circ-user-gWHRt you mean when i move old db to a new version koha's system will do upgrad databse ?
15:57 cait it shoudl work like kidclamp said - it will compare the version in the database to the version in the code and the upgrade will be triggered automatically - but testing such a move is recommended
15:58 circ-user-gWHRt thank
15:58 circ-user-gWHRt i also look for a web blog on koha tutorial, anyone can recommend please?
15:59 cait manual?
15:59 cait hm
15:59 cait that should have shown the link :)
15:59 cait koha manual?
15:59 cait maybe our bot is not here
15:59 cait
16:01 circ-user-gWHRt not manual, its a blog where can i learn more about koha cos i am new to koha
16:01 cait hm sorry, i don't know about a regularly updating one
16:02 cait biblibre sometimes publishes an english 'did you know...' post - but it's not very frequent
16:02 cait
16:02 circ-user-gWHRt let me check this
16:02 circ-user-gWHRt thanks
16:02 ashimema chris's blog if filtered on Koha isn't a terrible start either:
16:03 cait circ-user-gWHRt: also here - and they have tutorial videos:
16:03 ashimema
16:03 kidclamp hanging out here isn't a bad start either :-)
16:03 cait kidclamp: btw - ilove the picture of you on the blog post :)
16:04 circ-user-gWHRt kidclamp, that is correct
16:04 kidclamp thanks cait
16:04 circ-user-gWHRt you all so help full
16:14 oleonard Bye all. I hope you all get to leave for holiday vacations soon too.
16:29 cait bye all - and happy holidays :)
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16:31 reiveune bye
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18:55 tcohen ES rules :-D
18:55 tcohen es++
18:55 tcohen catmandu++
18:55 tcohen have a nice xmas everyone
18:57 cait huh?
18:58 rangi ?
18:59 cait just wondering about tcohen's comments :)
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18:59 cait about the context
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19:01 rangi ah ok
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19:32 wizzyrea yay eythian has a home!
19:33 eythian It's true
19:35 rangi nice!
19:36 cait :)
19:39 rangi @wunder nzwn
19:39 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (8:30 AM NZDT on December 24, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
19:39 rangi 15 my butt
19:39 rangi its at least 18
19:39 wizzyrea it's def warm today.
19:39 * wizzyrea hopes for no tricksy wellington weather today
19:40 bag @wunder pdx
19:40 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Mikeshouse Cully, Portland, Oregon is 5.1°C (11:29 AM PST on December 23, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
19:40 bag Mikeshouse Cully?
19:41 bag @wunder 97215
19:41 huginn` bag: The current temperature in Kittyland Love Center, E Tabor, Portland, Oregon is 4.1°C (11:40 AM PST on December 23, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Falling).
19:41 bag Kittyland ;0
19:41 bag ;)
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20:11 eythian @wunder amsterdam
20:11 huginn` eythian: Error: No such location could be found.
20:12 eythian @wunder Amsterdam nl
20:12 huginn` eythian: The current temperature in Aalsmeerderbrug, Aalsmeerderbrug, Netherlands is 8.9°C (9:00 PM CET on December 23, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
20:12 eythian But I now have central heating, so it doesn't matter 😁
20:15 wizzyrea you win this round.
20:15 aleisha nice place eythian!
20:17 eythian Yeah, I'm pretty happy with it.
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20:33 wizzyrea hrm how would one test this? bug 14155
20:33 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14155 major, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, Needs Signoff , Placing holds via ILSDI bypass some checks
20:33 wizzyrea there's no test plan, it looks like it just needs a signoff on the followup
20:35 rangi hmmm
20:35 rangi yeah
20:37 wizzyrea i guess run it through koha-qa before and after
20:38 wizzyrea since that's the "problem"
20:39 rangi *nod*
20:41 rangi does bug 14784 make sense to anyone?
20:41 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14784 minor, P5 - low, ---, genevieve.plantin, Needs Signoff , Missing checkin message for debarred patrons when issuing rules 'fine days = 0'
20:41 rangi with no test plan, im not entirely sure what im trying to test
20:42 wizzyrea hm
20:45 wizzyrea setting up that test case, I think we're lacking something
20:46 rangi yeah, ive asked for a test plan
20:51 cait1 hm maybe it means entering 0 days for fines
20:51 cait1 but... yeah. not sure :)
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21:00 wizzyrea the new changes to koha-shell (su to sudo maybe?) don't keep the history and that's a little annoying.
21:00 wizzyrea unless someone's got a tricksy workaround for that.
21:03 cait1 rangi++ wizzyrea++ :)
21:03 wizzyrea aleisha++ too
21:04 aleisha hello
21:05 cait1 aleisha++!
21:06 * rangi giggles
21:06 rangi[…].cgi?id=12528#c39
21:06 huginn` Bug 12528: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bouzid.fergani, Signed Off , Enable staff to deny message setting access to patrons on the OPAC
21:14 wizzyrea hee
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21:17 cait1 syspref all the things!
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22:33 kathryn Happy Christmas and/or holidays everyone! Whether it's mulled wine and roast, or BBQ and beersies, I hope you have a happy and relaxing time! :)
22:33 eythian Hi kathryn
22:35 cait1 happy christmas kathryn :)
22:35 kathryn hi eythian extra happy wishes for you :)
22:35 kathryn thank you cait1 :)
22:35 eythian 🙂
22:36 eythian Time for bed I think. Later!
22:37 eythian kathryn: btw, i now have a home. wizzyrea has pictures.
22:38 kathryn oh cool :)
22:38 kathryn I'm at home, missing out on bubbles and strawberries
22:38 kathryn I heard some plaintive cries from Frida's bedroom - see you later!
22:38 kathryn *hear
22:38 eythian Bye!
22:39 kathryn :)
22:40 cait1 merry christmas to you too eythian :)
22:42 wizzyrea happy christmas eythian
22:42 cait1 happy christmas wizzyrea :)
22:42 wizzyrea and cait
22:42 wizzyrea and everybody
22:45 magnuse god jul, #koha!
22:56 wizzyrea god jul, magnuse
22:57 cait1 fröhliche weihnachten :)
23:00 wizzyrea fröhliche weihnachten cait! (I didn't know the german for that!)
23:01 wizzyrea (I did know the norwegian though!)
23:03 cait1 of course.. the german is loooong :)
23:03 cait1 especially compared to the norwegian :)
23:04 wizzyrea hehe yeah
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23:20 cait1 fröhliche weihnachten LibraryClaire :)
23:20 cait1 good night all
23:21 cait1 left #koha
23:22 LibraryClaire frohe weinachten cait1
23:22 LibraryClaire ach, missed
23:35 wizzyrea bag[…]istmas-1749490826
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