IRC log for #koha, 2015-12-22

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00:27 dcook Permissions... permissions...
00:29 dcook So Zebra must create its own sockets..
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00:52 jcamins Sybase? Man, that takes me back.
00:54 jcamins Sybase was updated in 2014?
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01:08 ibeardslee way back perl had some great DBI stuff for sybase, that's what I cut my perly teeth in.
01:10 rangi first opac i did was perl + dbi + dbd::sybase
01:10 rangi dumped out from a system that ran on a mainframe
01:10 rangi first thing to do was convert ebcidic to ascii
01:10 rangi before we could do anything
01:10 rangi that was i think 97
01:10 ibeardslee I was using it to bypass the PowerBuilder interface to get additional reporting done
01:11 rangi nice
01:13 ibeardslee of course, let's not talk about the password being stored in ROT13 as browser cookies, which made it easier to pass the password as a string compare to the password field in the database :/
01:13 rangi nice :)
01:13 ibeardslee we have all done bad things, at some stage
01:16 rangi yup
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01:38 alex_ wizzyrea. Ok thankyou. I was just trying to double check that I was setting up the Koha clone correctly because I had problems setting it up at Catalyst initially.
01:38 wizzyrea :)
01:38 wizzyrea sok, let us know if it gives you trouble
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02:28 dcook HTTP::OAI has the best documentation ever
02:29 * dcook might have said that sarcastically
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03:21 Amit_Gupta hi all
03:27 wizzyrea hi
03:42 Amit_Gupta hi wizzyrea
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04:49 dcook Well... that's interesting...
04:49 dcook HTTP::OAI::Response->resumptionToken->resumptionToken is how to get the resumption token
04:49 dcook I guess the first call must be an accessor method for a HTTP::OAI::ResumptionToken object...
04:50 * dcook sometimes wonders about the merit of HTTP::OAI vs rolling one's own solution
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05:23 dcook Interesting... the OAI-PMH server I'm looking at is serving me different results each time..
05:23 dcook Sometimes it's 97... sometimes it's 100 per response
05:24 dcook Well, 98-100
05:26 dcook Unless I'm screwing up as it is saying 100 records..
05:27 dcook Hmm, must be me..
05:27 dcook Me thinks a race condition..
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05:38 Amit_Gupta chris around?
05:40 * Francesca waves
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05:54 dcook Intersting... duplicate OAI-PMH records for the exact same time..
06:01 dcook Although I suppose it's OK to overwrite the first one with the duplicate, as you only want the most up-to-date record anyway
06:01 dcook You're actually doing yourself a favour by deduplicating at that stage..
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06:13 dcook 4 minutes to download 4866 records... that doesn't seem too bad
06:14 dcook That's just over 20 records a second
06:14 dcook For downloading... not importing
06:16 dcook Sweet. ISO 8601 technically allows for nanoseconds too
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07:46 reiveune hello
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08:05 gaetan_B hello
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08:55 Joubu hi
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08:57 * magnuse waves
08:57 * cait waves
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09:43 LibraryClaire mornin' all
09:48 * magnuse waves to LibraryClaire from norway
09:48 magnuse @wunder boo
09:48 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (10:20 AM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.24 in 990 hPa (Rising).
09:48 magnuse 'twas 8 yesterday...
09:48 * LibraryClaire waves back from London
09:49 magnuse ooh, london! too long since i was there
09:50 LibraryClaire it's a bit grey and windy today
09:54 Joubu mtj: around?
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10:03 liw @wunder torrevieja
10:03 huginn liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 14.5°C (11:02 AM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.60 in 1036 hPa (Steady).
10:11 magnuse liw: not too hot?
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10:23 LibraryClaire @wunder london
10:23 huginn LibraryClaire: Error: No such location could be found.
10:23 LibraryClaire :(
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10:26 liw magnuse, bloody cold, actually (mostly unheated flat)
10:39 magnuse liw: yeah, i can imagine that
10:41 liw lots and lots and lots of sunlight, though, which is why I'm here in the first place
10:45 magnuse ooh, that sounds nice
10:46 LibraryClaire sun does sound nice...
10:46 magnuse it's been 2-3 weeks since i saw the sun last, and it will be at least anoter 2 weeks before i see it again
10:46 LibraryClaire o.O
10:46 magnuse oh today is solstice! hooray! \o/
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10:47 nlegrand hey #koha !
10:47 LibraryClaire it is :D
10:47 LibraryClaire hi nlegrand
10:47 magnuse kia ora nlegrand
10:48 nlegrand o/ LibraryClaire, magnuse
10:49 nlegrand I'm puzzled by something, seems outdated: http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]CanItemBeReserved the documentation is different in master and 3.20
10:50 magnuse hm, the page says "Last updated: Tue Dec 22 06:16:35 2015"
10:51 magnuse looks like gmcharlt is the one to ask about it
10:52 magnuse but i guess it could also have been changed between master and 3.20...
10:52 nlegrand maybe on koha list then?
10:53 magnuse yeah, or wait a couple hours and see if he's around then
10:53 magnuse does the website not match your local clone then?
10:53 nlegrand thanks :)
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11:01 drojf hi #koha
11:02 drojf @later tell eythian LOL i arrived safely at the planned (non-amsterdamish) destination
11:02 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
11:03 LibraryClaire hi drojf
11:04 drojf someone up for a MARC question? i am wondering if is within the standard to catalogue a dependent record with 773 for the host item, if that host item is not in the catalogue?
11:04 drojf hi LibraryClaire
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11:38 ashimema drojf no idea if it's in spec.. but i'm wondering how it might work now
11:39 LibraryClaire drojf - I have put my cataloguing hat on but it's working slowly today...
11:40 ashimema actually..
11:40 ashimema come to think of it I think it's totally in spec..
11:40 ashimema but koha doesn't support it right now to that level
11:41 ashimema I wrote this lot up some time ago..
11:41 ashimema[…]rt_Bibliographics
11:41 drojf koha would set a link to nowhere, that would have to be fixed in the xslt
11:41 ashimema that was my understanding of those linkings
11:42 ashimema I 'think' from memory it's to do with the combination of 001 + 003 for the identifier..
11:42 ashimema which koha doesn't do..
11:42 drojf personally, i don't think its a good way to do it. the library says "we only got those copies from xy and having the host in the catalogue is confusing, because we don't have it". i would say "have no item record for the host, but use it as a source of information anyway"
11:43 drojf ashimema: yes, it has, only not in koha. but in this case, they dont want to set a link to somehwere else, but link to nowhere, just put the host info in the constituent records
11:43 ashimema so for 'proper' catalogueing I think the 773_w should actually be the combination of 003+001
11:43 drojf yes
11:43 drojf you are right there. koha is missing that
11:43 ashimema but in our case.. if you turn on the 001 stuff, then it's only actually looking at the 001.. not the combination
11:44 drojf yep. i hope stockholm has to fix that for us for their union stuff :P
11:44 ashimema how odd.. having the link not go anywhere at all makes no sense to me at all.
11:44 drojf thats what i think
11:45 ashimema I could possibly envisage a local catalogue wanting to analyz a set, but having the actual host item only available via an ILL for instance..
11:45 drojf and the data is there, it does not make sense to throw it out, in my opinion
11:45 ashimema but why bother analyzing it at all if your not going to allow any way to retrive the full item?
11:46 ashimema totally.. I was really hoping for some funding to fix out 001_003 stuff...
11:46 ashimema but alas.. it never came to anything..
11:46 ashimema I spent ages getting my head around it though..
11:46 ashimema hesne those wiki pages ;)
11:46 ashimema I'm still not 100% sure they're entirely correct (I'm no librarian).. so if anyone wanting to correct them please do ;)
11:47 ashimema woop woop, bdfoy fix Business::ISBN for me :)
11:48 ashimema I love it when cpan authors are responsive :)
11:48 cait drojf: we remove the links if no $w link
11:48 cait for a library
11:48 cait so it's only text
11:48 cait with jquery
11:48 cait the basic problem is that the link is just a guess... you never actually know if the host item is in the catalog or not
11:48 ashimema indeed.. it's doing a search is it not
11:48 drojf yes that is another thing. they dont have control numbers
11:48 ashimema from memory at least..
11:49 drojf but a second problem ;)
11:49 ashimema the link is // search for item with matching 001 within the catalogue
11:49 drojf wasn't there an option to link to the bib number? i cant find it. maybe that was a local hack of someone
11:49 cait drojf: and you can use 001 + 035
11:49 cait btw
11:49 ashimema there is.. 'easyanalytics' I think it was called?
11:49 cait marcelr uses it that way
11:49 ashimema but you also have to turn off the syspref for the 001 linking stuff I beleive
11:49 drojf ashimema: ok that is not what i want to use
11:50 drojf yes
11:50 ashimema they're mutually exclusive?
11:50 cait currently yes
11:50 cait i think they shoudl have used a linking table... the way it works is not quite good
11:50 ashimema I'd like to see easy analytics go the way of the dodo.. and the proper control number analytics made easy to work with ;)
11:50 drojf +1 :)
11:51 ashimema used a linking table cait?
11:51 ashimema for easy analytics you mean?
11:52 cait yeah - i think the way it uses marc there is not quite good
11:52 drojf cait: you mean 001 or 0035? or a combination of both?
11:52 drojf 035
11:52 ashimema 035..
11:52 cait i think the xslt/search link stil works if you do that - if i am not mistaken
11:53 cait drojf: i remember marcelr fixed my initial code so it woudl work with (orgcode)controlnumber in $w
11:53 cait but i am not sur ehow you could indicate in a way that there is no host item :(
11:53 Amit_Gupta heya cait
11:54 ashimema I don't have 035 in any of those wiki page notes..
11:54 cait ok, i am confused... i better go and have christmas cookies and chocolate :)
11:54 ashimema lol
11:54 cait ashimema: it's not mandatory i'd say - and i am not sure if you'd need to change the index too to make it work perfectly
11:54 drojf another thing i cant find… there was an option to hide records from the search results. i think it was an option for items in a set or something. probably done with a marc controlfield. if that rings a bell for anyone… ;) otherwise i will dive into the xslt later
11:54 drojf (not sure if it was on zebra level or only in the display)
11:54 cait there is 942$n OpacSuppression and OpacHiddenItems
11:54 drojf no not those :)
11:55 drojf something else. cant really express :D
11:55 ashimema i know what you mean
11:55 ashimema on tic.. just finding it
11:56 ashimema hmm
11:56 drojf something with bib level, hiding, tralala :D
11:56 ashimema you sure it's not OpacHiddenItems?
11:56 drojf i was. but i will take a look. and fire up a dev vm
11:57 ashimema that's the one I was thinking of
11:57 ashimema works on marc based rules..
11:57 ashimema unline OpacSuppression
11:57 drojf but it works on item level. i am thinking bib level
11:58 drojf or i misunderstand the syspref
11:59 ashimema K, no idea then I'm afraid.. been a few years since I've been into that area of code ;)
12:11 cait it hides the record if all items are hidden
12:12 cait that's the trick :)
12:12 cait but it's less perfect than opacsuppression - leaving holes in the result lists
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12:39 drojf maybe what i had in mind was really only adding something like "not (bib-level:a or bib-level:b" to a search query to filter out component part records and i made the syspref part of that up
12:40 drojf in which case the opachiddenitems thing may be of more use for what in need now. thanks for the hints
12:40 drojf cait++
12:40 drojf ashimema++
12:41 ashimema :)
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12:43 drojf my brain could use a new indexer
12:43 drojf drojf with elasticsearch, coming 2016
12:44 LibraryClaire :)
12:48 ashimema :)
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12:59 oleonard Hi #koha
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13:02 LibraryClaire_ hi oleonard
13:02 oleonard Hi LibraryClaire_ , I was just looking at the logs... You're in London?
13:03 ashimema she has a very pretty opac oleanard ;)
13:03 oleonard Well, do show
13:04 ashimema
13:04 LibraryClaire_ goodness
13:04 ashimema they have a local url too I'm sure.. but I can't remember it
13:04 LibraryClaire_ yes, I'm in London :)
13:04 LibraryClaire_
13:05 oleonard Oooh, flat!
13:06 * ashimema likes the search dropdown
13:08 * LibraryClaire_ likes anything turquoise
13:09 oleonard @wunder 45701
13:09 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Heatherstone, Athens, Ohio is 13.2°C (8:09 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
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13:11 cait LibraryClaire_: it's really pretty :)
13:12 cait wondering if this is actually a tuned koha opac or not :)
13:12 ashimema it's a cleverly tuned koha opac intermingled with their discovery service
13:13 cait ah, the facets looked unfamiliar
13:13 ashimema which is deep web
13:14 ashimema sorry.. that's the company.. the product is explorit I think
13:14 LibraryClaire_ yes, explorit :)
13:14 LibraryClaire_ and thanks cait, we like it :D and so do the students
13:23 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (2:00 PM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Falling).
13:23 cait @wunder London, UK
13:23 huginn cait: The current temperature in London / Heathrow Airport, United Kingdom is 14.0°C (1:00 PM GMT on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
13:24 druthb @wunder 77447
13:24 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Blueberry Farm, Hockley, Texas is 12.7°C (6:50 AM CST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Dense fog advisory in effect until 10 am CST this morning...
13:24 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
13:24 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Stevenage, England, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 13.9°C (1:24 PM GMT on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
13:24 cait wow, even warmer than here
13:25 LibraryClaire_ oh, it didn't like it when I asked it about London earlier... I didn't put UK though...
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13:28 ashimema yeah.. there are too many londons out there.
13:28 ashimema not sure how it works out the default
13:32 * LibraryClaire_ wondered if it meant she could go home ;)
13:36 * ashimema just found a piece of example code left in one of the apps he's about to push to procution..
13:37 ashimema in rare circumstances, it would render 'Bite my shiny metal ass!'.. oops, that's not very professional
13:37 LibraryClaire_ hahahaha
13:38 nlegrand :)
13:39 cait LibraryClaire_: i think ti also works with airport codes
13:40 cait only i can never remember them :)
13:40 LibraryClaire_ @wunder MUC
13:40 huginn LibraryClaire_: The current temperature in Munich, Germany is 14.0°C (2:20 PM CET on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
13:40 LibraryClaire_ haha! :D
13:40 oleonard @wunder CMH
13:40 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in The Crossing, Columbus, Ohio is 11.3°C (8:30 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
13:41 oleonard @wunder ATO
13:41 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Athens, Ohio is 12.0°C (8:15 AM EST on December 22, 2015). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
13:41 oleonard That's better.
13:41 oleonard ATO = Tiny little Ohio University airport.
13:42 LibraryClaire_ :)
13:42 ashimema universities in the US have airports!
13:43 oleonard "for the university's aviation related initiatives"
13:43 oleonard
13:44 ashimema cool
13:44 ashimema so are you now back to the koha world for a while oleanard.?
13:44 ashimema we missed you
13:44 ashimema well.. I did at least ;)
13:44 oleonard :)
13:45 oleonard I am back, although I'm still never able to be full time on Koha
13:46 ashimema 'tis a shame.. but understandable
13:47 * ashimema also has to split his time between koha and other projects allot now..
13:47 ashimema the time when I used to be 99% koha are gone.. more like 30% now
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13:54 oleonard When oh when is a brilliant and/or insane billionaire going to provide us unlimited funding for Koha development?
13:55 oleonard Maybe we need a Koha foundation first.
13:56 jcamins oleonard: maybe a name first.
13:56 * ashimema has gone back to playing with minions []
13:57 * oleonard proposes "Koha-USA-Athens-Ohio-Owen's-House" because travel is expensive.
13:57 jcamins oleonard: works for me! I think. How's your cooking?
13:57 ashimema hehe
13:58 oleonard I don't know jcamins all my kids want are bananas.
14:02 jcamins oleonard: I don't like bananas at all, so that might be a bad sign.
14:03 jcamins Maybe Koha-Germany-Konstanz-cait's-house? Good food there.
14:07 oleonard Sure, if you want to be racist against people in USA-Athens-Ohio-Owen's-House.
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14:08 drojf lol
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14:10 drojf i'm sorry to say that i am a little surprised such a discussion happens among "information specialists"
14:10 drojf not that one here, that on the list of course
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15:02 cait i have a user group at my plce now?
15:02 cait i better go home then :)
15:10 druthb I'll come keynote at the Konstanz Koha UG.
15:11 druthb Don't know what I'd keynote *about*, but I'd figure something out.
15:14 cait heh
15:15 liw backups. backups are always a good topic for talks.
15:15 nengard heh
15:15 * druthb walks backwards onto the stage.
15:16 druthb Keynotes are supposed to be inspiring rah-rah speeches.  Somehow, "your system will eventually fall over and die, so make backups" doesn't sound very inspiring.
15:17 liw sounds very inspiring to me, but I seem to have a history of getting overly excited about backups
15:18 druthb . . .  You need more excitement in your life, maybe?
15:18 oleonard druthb: Maybe if you did one of those super-fast whiteboard drawings at the same time?
15:18 druthb lol.
15:19 druthb I love those things!  I can't draw worth a darn, though.
15:23 * liw has more than enough excitement _implementing_ backup software that others use and get upset about if it loses all their backups again
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15:52 cait drojf: can you check the po files maybe?
15:52 cait i forgot and have to run to the bus now - not sure when the release is
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16:03 reiveune bye
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16:54 LibraryClaire_ logging off for now :)
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18:02 gaetan_B1 bye
18:31 oleonard "Well *I* think 'America' means 'U.S.A.'" is not very convincing is it?
18:31 oleonard I keep thinking I'm going to post again in that stupid thread and I keep giving up.
18:33 kidclamp I have started typing so many times and  then slowly backed away
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18:56 rangi oleonard: yup, me too
18:56 rangi on the upside that thread contains the best email by Paul A ever
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18:59 * cait waves
18:59 oleonard That is an, uh... interesting upside.
18:59 cait christmas shopping... 2 days before christmas... what was I thinking
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18:59 * eythian catches up on the thread
19:00 eythian It just keeps giving
19:00 eythian In other news, i have apartment keys in my pocket right now.
19:00 ibeardslee yay
19:01 cait :)
19:01 cait christmas present to yourself?
19:01 eythian Only 1,450 per month
19:01 eythian cait: pretty much will have to be 😀
19:01 rangi only
19:01 rangi yowzer
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19:01 cait totally crazy....
19:02 gmcharlt @quote random
19:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #313: "<rangi> DO NOT DO THIS ON PRODUCTION UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE IT ON TEST FIRST AND IT WORKED" (added by wizzyrea at 01:51 AM, January 23, 2015)
19:02 cait @quote random
19:02 huginn cait: Quote #174: "paul_p I answer to SLEF" (added by Brooke at 10:16 AM, January 04, 2012)
19:02 cait hi gmcharlt
19:02 cait :)
19:02 gmcharlt rangi: you need to speak up more, I could barely hear that... ;)
19:05 rangi hmm no c in te reo māori
19:05 drojf works on the very recent koha 3.8
19:05 drojf in. whatever
19:07 drojf oh my favourite email thread got a lot of replies :D
19:07 cait yeah, just working through them
19:08 drojf oh look, another great "america" related name. lol
19:08 drojf this can't be true
19:11 LibraryClaire haha, excellent, more emails to read once I get off the train :D
19:12 * rangi uses it as a teaching opportunity
19:13 rangi also, it might be just me
19:13 rangi but i think finding a name that offends the least number of people is actually a useful task, not one to be derided, what is to be derided is not caring if you offend someone
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19:14 drojf i was thinking something similar when i read that
19:14 drojf so, no, its not only you :)
19:15 rangi :)
19:15 drojf kohanorthamericareactions: when someone asks you to rename your group[…]un_fuck_yeah1.jpg
19:15 drojf sorry ^^
19:17 cait i like KohaUS and Koha4US best so far i think
19:17 rangi yeah, they both seem fine to me
19:17 drojf yes, they are the only ones having US in them. which is the point
19:17 rangi ohh that authority records .. much better thread :)
19:18 gmcharlt given what authority records do... the threads could end up being mashed up :)
19:18 rangi heh
19:24 cait why off that?
19:24 cait :)
19:26 Dyrcona :)
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19:30 Dyrcona On an unrelated note: A library director is having a phone conversation outside my office about where the fire alarm shut off is.....
19:30 * rangi upgrades his kids school koha
19:30 rangi
19:30 Dyrcona Sweet as, bro.
19:31 rangi :)
19:31 rangi now to write some monit rules for zebra
19:32 rangi mtj: you use monit a bit eh?
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20:47 rangi hmm first attempt is a bit overly aggressive
20:48 rangi ohh i can fix that
20:49 pastebot "rangi" at pasted "monit zebra" (4 lines) at
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22:35 drojf1 cait1: can't test today. is the release really coming on 24th? on the translate list itr was "in a week" on 17th
22:35 cait1 not sure
22:35 drojf1 will try to find some time tomorr
22:35 drojf1 ow
22:35 cait1 let's see who gets it done first
22:36 cait1 yeah metoo -
22:37 drojf1 a race, yeah! :D
22:37 drojf1 good night #koha
22:37 rangi cya drojf1
22:39 cait1 ah, now i was too slow
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