IRC log for #koha, 2015-12-10

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00:12 dcook Hmm it accepts the TCP connection on the server, but not from another server or from Windows..
00:12 dcook All which should have access to that IP address and port..
00:13 dcook I suppose it could be a router level thing...
00:23 pianohacker ...
00:24 pianohacker totally unrelated to that. Does anyone know of a bug for itemcallnumber not working in the acquisitions items screen, before I file a dup?
00:25 dcook How do you mean not working?
00:25 dcook Like not saving?
00:25 pianohacker sorry, I should clarify that I mean the _syspref_ itemcallnumber
00:25 pianohacker that gives a bib-level subfield that should be copied into the itemcallnumber
00:26 dcook Interesting... 9998 is blocked but I was able to get through on a lower port...
00:26 dcook pianohacker: Alas, no idea. cait might know.
00:26 dcook or wizzyrea
00:26 wahanui it has been said that wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules.
00:32 cait hm?
00:33 cait i don#t remember a bug
00:33 pianohacker kk :)
00:35 pianohacker[…]_bug.cgi?id=15347
00:35 huginn` Bug 15347: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , itemcallnumber syspref does not work when adding items through acquisitions
00:38 wizzyrea omg.
00:38 wizzyrea oh. my. god.
00:38 pianohacker que pasó
00:39 cait pianohacker: i think she is not tlaking about your bug
00:39 cait :)
00:39 pianohacker yeah, I hoped it wasn't THAT shocking :)
00:40 dcook Interesting... __ZEBRA_SRU_HOST__ is a bit of a misnomer..
00:40 dcook Should be more like __ZEBRA_TCP_HOST__...
00:41 dcook As you could use SRU or Z39.50 over TCP...
00:44 wizzyrea no, I am talking about captain trollface
00:45 francesca captain trollface?
00:45 wizzyrea koha list
00:45 wahanui You can subscribe to the Koha mailing list at it is hosted by Katipo Communications.
00:46 dcook Maybe I'll compensate for some trolling
00:46 dcook I think this MarcEdit email I'm writing to koha list might actually be helpful..
00:46 dcook Possibly overly technical...
00:46 wizzyrea yeah, he'll troll it
00:47 dcook haha
00:47 dcook Probably
00:47 dcook Actually, almost definintely
00:47 dcook Port 9998 wasn't working for me, so I used port 3000
00:47 dcook But I'm sure for some reason that's going to be dreadfully awful
00:47 dcook Even though there's nothing official registered against 3000
00:47 dcook And it wasn't in use anyway..
00:48 dcook Admittedly, I wish I knew more about the convention of choosing TCP ports for stuff..
00:48 * francesca should probably look at signing up for the mailing list
00:48 francesca if you can do that
00:49 dcook Sometimes think about choosing from 49152–65535 but then what happens if your server goes down, something else decides to use one of those ports dynamically and then you try to restart and you can't use that port?
00:49 dcook francesca: The koha-devel one is usually handy
00:49 dcook "koha list" is a place where you can help people out and feel good about yourself :)
00:49 wizzyrea no reason not to sign up for them
00:49 dcook Errr... at least that's how I feel about it..
00:49 dcook The trolling is actually fairly rare
00:50 wizzyrea yeah we only have one
00:50 wizzyrea there's always one
00:50 wizzyrea we got rid of the last one, quite pointedly.
00:51 wizzyrea and eythian was quite good at smacking paul down, have you noticed that since he sent his farewell paul's messages have increased in frequency?
00:51 dcook :(
00:51 dcook Yeah, eythian was the best at that
00:52 dcook To be honest, I've been too distracted to view the listserv much
00:52 dcook I'm surprised I'm actually crafting this reply at the moment, but I do want to learn more about MarcEdit integration, as I think it could be useful for librarians..
00:52 wizzyrea I sent him a private email saying "you are not helping"
00:52 wizzyrea in reasonably nice words
00:52 * dcook thumbs up
00:52 wizzyrea this email is a response to that.
00:53 wizzyrea he's butthurt that a girl told him that he's not useful.
00:54 wizzyrea see also: toxic masculinity.
00:55 dcook Yeah, I was confused as to what he was talking about...
00:56 dcook But I clearly missed earlier messagse
00:56 dcook messages*
00:56 dcook Although, as you say, I don't think it would make sense then either
00:57 dcook Crap... I was able to get the Z39.50 connection over TCP, but now MarcEdit won't download the records..
00:58 dcook This is so frustrating..
00:59 dcook Oh, I think I might know..
00:59 dcook Maybe it can't handle MARCXML..
00:59 dcook That was my earlier problem..
00:59 dcook Yep, that was it
00:59 dcook Why even have MARCXML as an option if it's just going to break..
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01:02 dcook Cool beans ^_^
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01:19 dcook Oh I'm silly, I should have tried port 210...
01:19 dcook As that's the official port for Z39.50...
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01:23 wizzyrea huh
01:23 wizzyrea I wonder if bug 14673 has to do with our SIP double statuses
01:23 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14673 major, P3, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Renewals cause Sipserver  to crash
01:23 wizzyrea you all have possibly already talked about this
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02:05 wizzyrea I would love, love.
02:06 wizzyrea to go into a library and watch the users try to use acquisitions
02:06 wizzyrea I feel like it has to be really flummoxing.
02:06 wizzyrea (until you get used to it)
02:07 dcook Oh I can only imagine..
02:07 dcook I still get flummoxed by it
02:09 wizzyrea we could make it so much better >.<
02:10 wizzyrea oh, has anybody heard anything from the users regarding the label creator? I guess that's pretty new.
02:10 * wizzyrea wants to know what people think
02:10 wizzyrea (good or bad)
02:10 wizzyrea it'll be like twitter
02:10 wizzyrea they'll hate it and then they'll get used to it
02:11 wizzyrea and then they'll go back to the old version
02:11 wizzyrea and be like "dafuq this is so much better now"
02:11 wizzyrea (I hope)
02:15 dcook hehe
02:15 dcook I'm behind the times, so I don't know
02:16 dcook Label creators seem like a tough one to get right
02:16 dcook Did I ever tell you the story of trying to print labels on LibreOffice 3?
02:16 dcook Wasn't working no matter what I tried... eventually realized it was a bug, updated to LibreOffice 4, and it worked like a dream
02:16 dcook At least by comparison
02:16 wizzyrea hah no
02:38 wizzyrea Hrm.
02:39 wizzyrea @later tell oleonard hi, I miss you, and I have a question - should we come up with an interface pattern for the staff side search area that always shows check out, check in, search the catalogue, and always defaults to the active module's search (but keeps them in order)? I feel like this is a necessary thing, what do you think?
02:39 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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06:50 * magnuse waves
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07:34 magnuse kia ora cait
07:34 cait kia ora
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07:59 reiveune hello
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08:00 alex_a bonjour
08:00 wahanui niihau, alex_a
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08:01 gaetan_B hello
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08:29 magnuse gah, still utterly dark outside
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08:52 cait morning #koha
09:01 magnuse g'day cait
09:02 cait hi magnuse
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09:28 Joubu hi
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09:49 Joubu @later tell tcohen plack.psgi also disables the syspref cache!
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10:06 vfernandes hi :)
10:06 vfernandes it's possible to turn off the hold of the next available item?
10:07 cait do you wnt to only allow item level holds?
10:07 vfernandes yes
10:07 cait I think you can in 3.20... maybe earlier
10:07 cait it was moved from a system preference into the circulation matrix
10:08 cait which version are you using?
10:08 vfernandes 3.16...
10:08 wahanui 3.16 is pretty old by now
10:11 vfernandes this installation will be upgraded soon
10:15 Joubu @later tell oleonard I am waiting an answer on bug 15314 to continue QAing the other bootstrap modal patches.
10:15 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:16 cait vfernandes: i thik it's not possible in 3.16 - i am sorry
10:16 cait i think the system preference is opacitemholds - the old one. But i think it your version it hax probably only 2 options and not the third to enforce item level holds
10:17 cait i just checked - it's possible in 3.18 using the system preference and then in 3.20 with the circulation conditions
10:19 vfernandes hummm ok cait... thank you
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12:48 oleonard Hi #koha
12:49 cait hi oleonard
12:49 cait quiet day today
12:50 magnuse ssshhhh...
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12:59 ashimema quiet in the library
13:02 * oleonard bangs some pots and pans
13:02 cait rebel :)
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13:03 cait hm has closing an invoice any effect besides it being closed?
13:03 magnuse ooh yeah, let's stick the email addresses in the table called BorrowerPhoneNumbers, that makes sense
13:04 cait heh
13:04 cait it probably predates emails?
13:04 cait ... which wouldn't make sense...
13:04 oleonard magnuse: Better or worse that putting "No email address" in the email address field?
13:07 jcamins oleonard: I prefer entering "No email address" in the BorrowerPhoneNumbers table in the email field and putting an email address in the phone number field in the BorrowerDemographics table.
13:09 * oleonard jumps out of his chair when a random jcamins appears out of nowhere
13:10 cait heh
13:11 Joubu Youhou, they forecast sun for tomorrow!!
13:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
13:11 Joubu (from 2 to 3pm...)
13:11 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (2:00 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Falling).
13:11 cait oh - i was starting to get a little jealous )
13:13 magnuse @wunder boo
13:13 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady).
13:13 magnuse ooh, the email address is actually stored in the column called... PhoneNumber! i love it!
13:16 magnuse this is right up there with my fave ils date format, which was 01-jan-15
13:25 oleonard magnuse: That date format one is pretty bad!
13:29 cait yeah... one can not help to wonder what they were thinking programming tha
13:29 cait t
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13:34 jcamins Hmph. I think I could come up with a worse date format.
13:35 jcamins 01-15-Jan, maybe?
13:35 jcamins 01-15-01?
13:35 wahanui -15
13:35 jcamins -15? Yeah, that would be worse.
13:35 jcamins Thanks, wahanui.
13:35 wahanui de nada jcamins
13:35 magnuse lulz
13:36 magnuse oh here is a bad one too: 12-31-2015
13:36 magnuse ;-)
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13:41 mveron Hi #koha
13:41 mveron @wunder Allschwil
13:41 huginn` mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 6.0°C (2:30 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
13:45 mveron We have a transalatability issue in the error pages, e.g. 404 in German:
13:45 mveron Um diesen Fehler zu melden, können Sie E-Mail an den Koha-Administrator.
13:46 magnuse bug 15288
13:46 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Error pages: Code duplication removal and better translatability
13:47 mveron I fixed it and streamlined code, we need now a feedback on Bug 15288 because there are QA concerns about people who might have their error pages customized.
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13:55 magnuse is there a bigger danger that people customized the error pages than any other pages?
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14:08 mveron Joubu ^
14:08 mveron ...and hi everybody :-)
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15:34 Shane-S where would I find information about making an "Add-On". cait suggested I might want to look into making on for my idea of damage reports/tracking
15:36 cait plugins?
15:36 wahanui plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they?
15:36 cait hm that was not what i was looking for :) one sec
15:36 cait some examples can be found here:
15:37 cait also here.
15:39 Shane-S cait: thank you, I just need to see what is involved, and how separate/integrated they need to be from/with Koha
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15:49 Shane-S so watching Kyle's video, a plug in is limited to the "plugins" page, or can it go further and add a feature to the check-in/out screens (even if it is a floating div or something)
15:50 * Shane-S just had a daydream of people muttering RTFM
15:51 wnickc F=friendly
15:51 nengard Shane-S let's ask khall :)
15:53 Shane-S khall...*blinks* http://translate.koha-communit[…]top/#pluginsystem ....its a paragraph...i needs more info then that ;)
15:53 Shane-S wait s/then/than.....I failed grammar
15:53 khall Shane-S: no, the plugin system can't do that right now
15:54 khall right now it can add a tool, a report, or convert files to marc
15:54 cait but maybe if the hook was general enough, we could do something like that?
15:54 cait i mean adding as an option
15:54 Shane-S *defeated* then I can't use it to quickly track and enter damage reports, that would add a log record with item id/patronid/user id/ note and be reportable
15:55 cait Shane-S: hm let's say it was a report
15:55 cait you could use jquery to add a link to the returned items table
15:55 cait to your plugin page
15:55 cait if you send the itemnumber with the link, it could offer a ready to enter screen maybe?
15:56 cait just thinking loud, hope it makes some kind of sense
15:57 Shane-S the idea I had, was a broken page icon labeled "Damage Report", on the checkin/out screen...(once you scanned an item) and you could then click it would expand to a form entry (just a text box and maybe a patrod ID box) so you could enter a note and press save
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15:57 Shane-S behind the scene it would have to flat file (or ideally DB) store the item id , patron id, user if, note, and date
15:59 Shane-S I track all my IT assets in Koha...and right now I have to arrange paper to make a 'damage trail', doesn't sound too complex from my end...but I only know Php/MySQL...some some language barriers for me...never been much with jquery web2.0 stuff
15:59 khall Shane-S: yes, you can make a plugin interact with other parts of Koha, but you need to add javascript to the sysprefs to do so
15:59 khall that's how the EDS plugin works for example
16:00 Shane-S khall: would that syspref change get overwritten with an update?
16:00 khall not unless you make it
16:00 khall you can check out my coverflow plugin, it adds javascript to the opacuserjs system preference
16:01 Shane-S khall: hmm, okay, maybe this is doable. Okay I will do that.
16:02 Shane-S khall: on the database side...if I need a custom table, is that suggested/doable, or would it be best to store data in a flat file?
16:06 Shane-S khall: P.S.[…]stem-coming-soon/  what is the future like in 3013!!!, can you tell me the winning lottery number for this week? ;)
16:06 khall heh ; )
16:07 khall looks like nengard made a typo ; )
16:07 nengard never ever
16:07 nengard hehe
16:08 nengard fixed
16:11 Shane-S darn it...i wanted lottery #s so I could just call up and pay you guys for the I gotta learn ubunut/git/vmware[virtualbox]/perl/javascript (beyond onclick and get elementbyid
16:12 ashimema I love the thinking there Shane-S
16:14 Shane-S oh well time to see how much free ram my macbook pro has...if I can load it with virtualbox/ubunut and maybe finally grasp git to get a development version to break ;)
16:14 kidclamp try kohadevbox Shane-S - simplifies a lot of the setup
16:14 kidclamp ansible branch works very nicely
16:15 kidclamp[…]vbox/tree/ansible
16:15 Shane-S oh okay, will check it out
16:15 Shane-S ty
16:20 Shane-S hmm reading that.."what you get" seems misleading...unless I am not understanding vagrant have to do the initial OS/VM install first and then install vagrant on that right?
16:23 Shane-S maybe I am not understanding vagrant...
16:24 Shane-S guess I have to try and fail to get that "ah-ha" moment
16:24 * Shane-S is off to see wizard the wonderful wizard of...oh snap I think I broke it
16:26 reiveune bye
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16:26 kidclamp Shane-S you need only install vagrant and virtualbox and configure the setup files.  Vagrant will take care of getting your guest OS etc
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16:45 Shane-S kidclamp: so...installed virtbox, and vagrant, site says I need ansible and git and to clone...then I do the vagrant stuff after the vars/ step...I am lost sorta
16:45 Shane-S would I have the VM running and install git there?
16:47 kidclamp oh, you need ansible on Mac too
16:47 kidclamp and yes, git to clone kohadevbox :-)
16:47 kidclamp I have only done this on Ubuntu
16:49 kidclamp but yeah, with all of that set up you should then just: vagrant up jessie
16:49 kidclamp or wheezy etc
16:49 kidclamp from the kohadevbox dir
16:49 kidclamp and poof
16:49 kidclamp lots of magic and koha is runnning at the end
16:49 Shane-S does it move the git clone files into the vm file?
16:50 kidclamp you can eithe rlet it do a clone into the vm automagically
16:50 Shane-S I just ask cause I only have a 256Gb space
16:50 kidclamp or clone koha onto your drive and then to the export SYNC_RPOE
16:50 kidclamp I don't know if anisble does a shallow or full clone (it's about 1 gig or so if so)
16:51 Shane-S I just want it to be clean in the vm, so if I delete it from VB it is all gone, not a git clone file sitting somewhere
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16:53 kidclamp the only thing that would remain would be your kohadevbox clone, the koha cloen would be inside the vm
16:55 Shane-S doing ansible now....
16:58 * mveron will check later if there is a comment on Bug 15288 regarding QA concerns about people who might have their error pages customized.
16:58 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Error pages: Code duplication removal and better translatability
16:58 * mveron Guests...
16:58 wahanui guests are here!
16:59 mveron bye #koha
17:00 Shane-S kidclamp: where is the vars/user.yml file?
17:02 kidclamp {wherever you cloned}/kohadevbox/vars/user.yml
17:04 Shane-S uh...i did git clone http:...kohadev.git, I have a kohadev folder, not a kohadevbox, and it has no /vars/ folder
17:04 Shane-S nm
17:04 Shane-S I typed it worng
17:09 Shane-S kidclamp: still no directories or .yml file in kohadevbox
17:09 Shane-S config.cfg-sample maybe?
17:10 Shane-S I feel like i could have had a package version installed by now...
17:13 kidclamp did you git checkout ansible?
17:13 kidclamp to get the ansible branch
17:13 oleonard nengard around?
17:13 kidclamp Shane-S I admit it takes getting used to, but once you are set you can destroy/create new boxes with one command
17:14 nengard hi
17:14 wahanui hi, nengard
17:15 oleonard nengard: Under what circumstances do you see that url column in the holdings details?
17:15 nengard if you add it to the item subfield u
17:16 Shane-S kidclamp: I am following[…]vbox/tree/ansible the ansible site directions (OS X) don't have me git anything
17:16 Shane-S I am down to the first "Usage" part
17:17 Shane-S but there is where I am lost, I did all the getting started...unless I missed something on a 3rd party site
17:17 kidclamp git clone
17:17 kidclamp $ cd kohadevbox
17:17 kidclamp after those lines you need to do:
17:18 kidclamp git checkout origin/nasible
17:18 kidclamp git checkout -b ansible origin/ansible
17:18 kidclamp git pull
17:18 wahanui rumour has it git pull is really simple
17:18 kidclamp been a while since I did the setup
17:18 Shane-S kidclamp: oh okay...thats missing from getting started...
17:18 Shane-S ty
17:18 kidclamp yeah
17:20 Shane-S okay NOW I have vars
17:22 kidclamp huzzah
17:23 oleonard nengard: Seems like you'd need to either set a global preferences like URLLinkText or add a subfield where you could put custom text
17:23 Shane-S maybe my last ?, do I need to be in a specific directory to vagrant up?
17:25 oleonard nengard: ....which is just what you said in the bug. Never mind :)
17:25 Shane-S guessing kohadevbox since it has Vagrantfile
17:25 oleonard ...great minds and all that
17:29 kidclamp Shane-S yup
17:30 nengard hehe oleonard
17:30 * oleonard finds that  URLLinkText doesn't work with XSLT
17:32 nengard why not? I see it working ... i thought ...
17:33 Shane-S kidclamp: well an error on the .yml file, on the bz_user: line with a caret under the colon...I suspect the line above, my git_full_name: is the I need to put that in quotes?
17:34 Shane-S so I did git_full_name: Shane S should it be "Shane S' or 'Shane S'?
17:35 kidclamp yup, quotes
17:35 kidclamp I have double, but single might work SHane-S
17:35 kidclamp :q
17:35 Shane-S should have known better...;)
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17:37 Shane-S kidclamp: :( no localhost:8080 let me check 127
17:37 Shane-S boo...something must have went wrong..should I delete the VM?
17:39 Shane-S oh said box is already it must have started with that script error before
17:39 Shane-S or would I just do vagrant down?
17:39 Shane-S sorry to bug you so much
17:41 kidclamp no worries, doing my best to help
17:41 Shane-S I just did destroy
17:41 Shane-S trying up again
17:41 kidclamp what I would have said
17:42 Shane-S bah...darn these variables...i guess they are all strings
17:43 Shane-S what I get for not coding in 5+ years
17:43 Shane-S but I do batch scripts...think I would have known better
17:45 gaetan_B bye
17:46 Shane-S taking longer this time...good sign I hope
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17:49 kidclamp keeping my fingers crossed
17:51 eythian Hi
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18:06 Shane-S kidclamp: wow...I shoulda went to lunch..think I am going now
18:06 Shane-S cloning Koha repo now
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18:26 eythian Good morning cait
18:26 cait good evening eythian
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18:48 drojf hi #koha
18:55 kidclamp hey koha, is there anywhere to configure QOTD as random? I see where GetDailyQuote accepts it, but not anywhere you can push it through
18:56 * oleonard thought it was random, but doesn't actually use it.
19:06 kidclamp oleonard: apparently it is random for the day, but then static once one is chosen
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19:27 * magnuse waves
19:27 drojf hei magnuse
19:36 magnuse moin drojf
19:36 * magnuse upgrades customers to 3.20.6, but is itching to get to 3.22.1 and plack...
19:37 drojf do it!
19:37 magnuse hehe
19:37 drojf i already found a bug. live during translation :D
19:37 drojf err
19:37 drojf during presentation
19:37 drojf lol talked for hours, confused now
19:37 magnuse hehe
19:37 magnuse what was the bug?
19:37 drojf oleonard: 3 hours was really short
19:38 magnuse yeah, time flies
19:38 drojf i went into cataloguing (standard editor, but advanced enabled in options), tried to change the framework, ended up in advanced editor
19:39 drojf had to disable the advanced editor in sysprefs to do that
19:39 magnuse ooh
19:39 drojf have not tried on another instance
19:39 drojf but if that is everywhere, that is not too good
19:41 magnuse not potimal, certainly
19:41 magnuse huh?
19:41 magnuse s/potimal/optimal/
19:41 magnuse good thing i usually use this laptop with an external keyboard...
19:42 drojf heh
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19:52 magnuse there, 27 customers upgraded in 16 minutes
19:53 drojf woohoo
20:02 eythian Hi kathryn
20:02 kathryn hi eythian :)
20:02 kathryn how's things?
20:02 eythian I have new digs:[…]rik-hendrikstraat
20:03 eythian Well, in two weeks, anyway
20:03 * cait waves
20:04 kathryn nice, eythian :)
20:04 kathryn hi cait :)
20:04 cait hi kathryn :)
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20:12 magnuse eythian: congrats!
20:15 cait1 eythian: rent... wow
20:17 cait1 looks reall ynice :)
20:20 drojf and i thought berlin was expensive :O
20:21 cait1 hehe i had a very similar thought about here :)
20:23 eythian That's a quite good price for the place here
20:24 eythian I saw places at half the size that were only 100 less
20:27 wizzyrea yay a home!
20:27 wizzyrea well a place to put your stuff anyway :)
20:29 eythian Yeah ☺ it'll probably be temporary until I get stuff together to furnish my own place. But I can take time with that.
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20:31 wizzyrea how far from work?
20:32 wizzyrea grump: websites that use link blue for things that aren't links.
20:32 wizzyrea (not Koha)
20:33 cait1 heh
20:43 eythian wizzyrea: about 30 mins walk or about 10 bike
20:43 wizzyrea sweeeet
20:47 cait1 ... and you absolutely need a bike
20:48 eythian Yeah will get one when I actually move, most likely.
20:49 eythian Taking my my good one from NZ, but it's really not a commuter bike here. Too fast, to likely to be stolen.
20:49 eythian Maybe I'll bike it to Germany some day or something.
20:49 cait1 heh :)
20:49 cait1 ah yeah
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21:00 wizzyrea gmcharlt++
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21:17 eythian wizzyrea: so when are you coming to visit?
21:17 wizzyrea as soon as we possibly can :)
21:17 wizzyrea which could be a little while, but it is a thing I suspect we will prioritis
21:17 wizzyrea e*
21:24 wizzyrea Besides, we have to wait for you to find all of the best places to go :D
21:25 eythian This place is fairly dense, that might take a few weeks ;-)
21:25 pianohacker that was _extraordinarily_ diplomatic on galen's part, yeah
21:26 wizzyrea eythian: we are missing your spectacular smackdown skills.
21:27 * wizzyrea apologises for the annoying alliteration
21:27 gmcharlt wizzyrea: indeed, you should be suitably sorrowful for that...
21:27 gmcharlt ;)
21:28 wizzyrea ^.^
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21:28 eythian Heh
21:29 eythian I should gander at the archives
21:29 wizzyrea no, I don't think you want to.
21:29 wizzyrea lol
21:30 wizzyrea suffice to say, our favourite bad-advice troll is loving that you're not smacking him down all the time.
21:31 eythian Maybe I should invent some pseudonyms
21:32 wizzyrea lol!
21:33 eythian I just see oleonard posting. Maybe the archives are missing it
21:33 wizzyrea oh, devel
21:34 eythian Ah
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21:43 wizzyrea ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:46 wizzyrea possibly *the most* appropriate shruggy use ever.
21:49 eythian Heh
21:49 eythian Yes
21:51 wizzyrea also just that whole thing, it's a fundamental lack of understanding about how we do things.
21:52 wizzyrea due to lack of actual participation
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22:13 dcook drojf: I pay more than that for my place in Sydney :p
22:14 dcook Not sure about the floor space though...
22:14 dcook Ah, I missed a departure..
22:15 dcook Hmm my email isn't working. Maybe it doesn't want me to read the listserv..
22:16 dcook gmcharlt++
22:17 dcook Not sure what Zeno's handle is but ++ to Zeno too
22:19 kidclamp ztajoli++
22:19 kidclamp I think
22:19 wizzyrea irc regulars
22:19 wahanui irc regulars is at
22:20 kidclamp but he is not there :-(
22:20 wizzyrea yeah I was checking :)
22:21 * wizzyrea is very lazy and knows wahanui knows what she is thinking of
22:22 kidclamp he's a good bot
22:25 wizzyrea botsnack
22:25 wizzyrea hm.
22:25 wizzyrea botsnack cookie
22:25 wizzyrea nope.
22:25 wizzyrea wahanui botsnack cookie
22:25 wahanui thanks wizzyrea :)
22:25 wizzyrea yay
22:25 wizzyrea wahanui botsnack biscuit
22:25 wahanui :)
22:25 dcook I was lazy not writing the original email for the Text::Unaccent stuff too :p
22:26 dcook Well, maybe not lazy so much as torn in too many other directions anyway
22:26 Francesca wahanui botsnack pizza
22:26 wahanui :)
22:26 * dcook just can't say no to a good UTF8 problem
22:26 kidclamp can we see everything he's eatrn? wahanui barf?
22:26 dcook hehe
22:27 dcook Of course it would be partially digested..
22:27 wizzyrea wahanui probably has a log
22:27 wahanui wizzyrea: huh?
22:27 dcook wahanui piza?
22:27 wahanui i haven't a clue, dcook
22:27 * wizzyrea pats wahanui
22:27 Francesca wahanui christmas
22:27 wahanui christmas is when you go to the beach and have a barbeque.
22:27 Francesca wahanui botsnack christmas tree
22:27 wahanui :)
22:28 dcook hehe
22:28 Francesca yummy christmas tree
22:28 dcook Haven't put up our christmas tree yet O_O
22:28 Francesca we have
22:28 Francesca but our cats are attacking it
22:29 dcook Cats...
22:29 Francesca so we had to take the big spike off the top before it was destoryed
22:29 Francesca wahanui cats
22:29 wahanui The only good cat is a stir-fried cat.
22:29 dcook I suddenly had the urge to take a clip of the "Snakes... it had to be snakes" bit from Indiana Jones and dub over it saying "Cats... it had to be cats"
22:29 dcook Maybe even 'shop in a bunch of lolcats into the pit of snakes..
22:29 * dcook doesn't have enough time in the day
22:30 Francesca that'd be funny
22:30 Francesca if you get round to it, post it in here
22:30 dcook hehe
22:30 dcook I would if I did
22:31 Francesca anyways I have to go do stuff now
22:31 wizzyrea Francesca: maybe surround the bottom with tinfoil so they won't want to walk close enough to climb the tree?
22:31 dcook ^
22:31 Francesca hmmm tempting
22:31 Francesca I shall pass that on
22:31 dcook Although they could jump into the tree still...
22:31 wizzyrea I've heard that cats don't like to walk on it bc it is crinkly
22:31 dcook wizzyrea: It only seems partially true though
22:31 Francesca yes or bat at it from the top of the stairs
22:31 dcook We covered some baby stuff with tinfoil and one of the cats still went on it
22:31 wizzyrea well that is a problem of placement :P
22:31 Francesca back in a bit
22:32 wizzyrea resistant cats should be dealt with by water sprayer :P
22:32 wizzyrea that one never fails. but you do have to be vigilant.
22:32 wizzyrea the louder and more hissy the sprayer, the better.
22:33 dcook I think that may have worked better in the early days with our boys
22:33 dcook Well, it deters them momentarily now, but they're stuck in their ways
22:33 dcook Oh, that reminds me..
22:34 * dcook leaves everyone in suspense on that one
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22:45 pastebot "dcook" at pasted "Script identification code - but of course..." (9 lines) at
22:45 jcamins wizzyrea: duct tape works too.
22:45 dcook Of course "(3" referes to Arabic and $1 is CJK
22:45 dcook jcamins: duct tape?
22:45 wahanui i heard duct tape was versatile.
22:45 jcamins Yeah.
22:45 wizzyrea for keeping cats away
22:46 wizzyrea presumably sticky side up?
22:46 jcamins My cat doesn't like walking on duct tape.
22:46 jcamins No, sticky side down.
22:46 wizzyrea really!
22:46 jcamins Yeah.
22:46 dcook Weird..
22:46 wizzyrea i can totally see sticky side up
22:46 jcamins He loves packing tape, but won't stand on duct tape.
22:46 wizzyrea was not expecting sticky side down
22:46 jcamins I mean, sticky side down if you're worried about a ceiling cat.
22:47 jcamins I mean, up.
22:47 jcamins Sticky side *up* if your cat is walking on your ceiling.
22:50 * wizzyrea doesn't doubt that myshkin would be odd.
22:50 wizzyrea I seem to recall that he's kind of odd anyway :)
22:50 wizzyrea though I don't remember specifically why I think that
22:53 dcook On an unrelated note, that moment when you can't tell if what you're thinking is very clever or too clever
22:53 dcook "too clever" being a bad idea :p
22:58 pianohacker hehe
22:58 pianohacker I wrote a report like that earlier today
22:58 dcook hehe
22:59 dcook I'm trying to figure out a way of re-writing linkages between 852 and 866 fields for multiple holdings records before merging them into a bibliographic record O_O
22:59 dcook A reliable way of re-writing linkages*
22:59 dcook The hard part is that you want to preserve the current linkages while also adding a unique whole number..
23:00 pianohacker @marc 866
23:00 huginn` pianohacker: [Described in full under field 866 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) []
23:00 pianohacker thanks a lot, bot
23:01 pianohacker *blink* this does not make a lot of sense, but I've never worked with MARC21 Holdings
23:01 dcook So I might have 4 holdings records linked to 1 bibliographic record
23:01 dcook And each holdings record can have multiple 852 and 866
23:01 dcook which are also linked differently to each other within that holdings record
23:01 wahanui okay, dcook.
23:01 dcook pianohacker: MARC21 Holdings hurts my brain
23:01 dcook Actually, it wouldn't be bad if Koha supported it
23:01 pianohacker hey, hey now
23:01 dcook Well, supported separate MARC21 Holdings records
23:01 dcook It supports embedded ones
23:02 dcook pianohacker: Actually, I found an old thread where people had talked about supporting MARC21 Holdings back when the switch to MARC was made
23:02 dcook But I think the biggest obstacle was indexing
23:02 dcook Of course, that brings us back to this current issue
23:03 dcook While you could merge your separate records into your bibliographic record for indexing, you'd have issues with display due to those bad linkages
23:03 dcook Unless you weren't using the content from Zebra for display, but yeah... rabbit hole...
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23:06 dcook pianohacker: Didn't mean to overwhelm with text :p
23:06 pianohacker I still have to write support for 880 linked fields
23:06 pianohacker and authorities
23:06 wahanui authorities is
23:06 dcook That would be awesome
23:06 pianohacker this is giving me the heebie-jeebies :)
23:07 dcook The 880 linked fields shouldn't be bad... so long as people entered the data according to spec
23:07 dcook I wish you luck
23:07 dcook Or do you mean support for linking 880 fields with others in Rancor?
23:07 dcook Authorities shouldn't be too bad :p
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23:07 dcook But as the person not doing it, I wish you all the luck
23:07 pianohacker (yeah, the latter) My philosophy is that if people catalog wrong, Rancor shouldn't break but it should yell at them
23:08 dcook ^
23:08 dcook Yeah, MarcEdit broke on me a few times yesterday
23:08 dcook When it really should have just yelled at me
23:08 pianohacker nengard may, uh, have slightly influenced this philosophy :)
23:08 dcook I think the cataloguing discipline has fallen by the wayside in recent years
23:08 pianohacker and authorities... aren't too conceptually difficult but the code is fragile
23:08 dcook And really... it seems like it was always pretty local anyway
23:09 dcook :(
23:09 pianohacker jcamins has dug around in there, he knows
23:09 dcook Yeah, I'm trying to make this OAI harvester as robust as possible..
23:09 pianohacker he also has this habit of going quiet when I ask about it, for _some_ reason
23:09 dcook hehe
23:09 dcook He's wiser than me
23:09 dcook I see something I've worked on, and I blab way too much
23:10 pianohacker dcook: he's also more physically capable of going quiet ;)
23:10 dcook I was going to say I'm only typing, but I suppose we have spoken in person a bit... :p
23:10 dcook I was actually a very quiet child/preteen :p
23:10 dcook Making up for lost time
23:12 pianohacker same, actually :)
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23:25 dcook MARC--
23:25 dcook I sometimes think the lack of standards being introduced by Linked Data is a bad thing, but sometimes it seems like a great chance to innovate
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23:25 dcook And if you can map your own local format to/from a standard format for interchange purposes...
23:26 dcook Although I suppose that's the rub
23:30 dcook Actually, the linking thing...
23:30 dcook If Koha stored holdings records like it stores item records and just adds them at indexing time...
23:31 dcook You could reliably re-calculate linkage numbers I think
23:32 dcook See $8 Sequence Number
23:32 dcook Of course, different holdings records should be aware of each other according to MARC...
23:33 dcook I sometimes wonder if there has ever been a library system which actually perfectly processed MARC records
23:33 dcook Or anyone who perfectly catalogued them
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23:37 dcook Actually, that's interesting...
23:37 dcook We're going to sequence 4 records, but between those 4 records, we only use the numbers 1 and 2
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23:40 dcook The documentation doesn't even make sense..
23:40 dcook "Sequence numbers 1 and 2 provide a display sequence for related holdings records that have identical locations recorded in field 852 subfields $a and $h"
23:40 dcook $a is location but $h is call number..
23:40 dcook I guess they mean identical call number too?
23:45 chrisvella_ Hi. Does anyone know about auto-complete/search suggestions in Koha?
23:45 chrisvella_ I found a video here: but no further information.
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