Time  Nick        Message
23:45 chrisvella_ I found a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xGi3NTckxs but no further information.
23:45 chrisvella_ Hi. Does anyone know about auto-complete/search suggestions in Koha?
23:40 dcook       I guess they mean identical call number too?
23:40 dcook       $a is location but $h is call number..
23:40 dcook       "Sequence numbers 1 and 2 provide a display sequence for related holdings records that have identical locations recorded in field 852 subfields $a and $h"
23:40 dcook       The documentation doesn't even make sense..
23:37 dcook       We're going to sequence 4 records, but between those 4 records, we only use the numbers 1 and 2
23:37 dcook       Actually, that's interesting...
23:33 dcook       Or anyone who perfectly catalogued them
23:33 dcook       I sometimes wonder if there has ever been a library system which actually perfectly processed MARC records
23:32 dcook       Of course, different holdings records should be aware of each other according to MARC...
23:32 dcook       See $8 Sequence Number http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/hd852.html
23:31 dcook       You could reliably re-calculate linkage numbers I think
23:30 dcook       If Koha stored holdings records like it stores item records and just adds them at indexing time...
23:30 dcook       Actually, the linking thing...
23:26 dcook       Although I suppose that's the rub
23:25 dcook       And if you can map your own local format to/from a standard format for interchange purposes...
23:25 dcook       I sometimes think the lack of standards being introduced by Linked Data is a bad thing, but sometimes it seems like a great chance to innovate
23:25 dcook       MARC--
23:12 pianohacker same, actually :)
23:10 dcook       Making up for lost time
23:10 dcook       I was actually a very quiet child/preteen :p
23:10 dcook       I was going to say I'm only typing, but I suppose we have spoken in person a bit... :p
23:10 pianohacker dcook: he's also more physically capable of going quiet ;)
23:09 dcook       I see something I've worked on, and I blab way too much
23:09 dcook       He's wiser than me
23:09 dcook       hehe
23:09 pianohacker he also has this habit of going quiet when I ask about it, for _some_ reason
23:09 dcook       Yeah, I'm trying to make this OAI harvester as robust as possible..
23:09 pianohacker jcamins has dug around in there, he knows
23:09 dcook       :(
23:08 dcook       And really... it seems like it was always pretty local anyway
23:08 pianohacker and authorities... aren't too conceptually difficult but the code is fragile
23:08 dcook       I think the cataloguing discipline has fallen by the wayside in recent years
23:08 pianohacker nengard may, uh, have slightly influenced this philosophy :)
23:08 dcook       When it really should have just yelled at me
23:08 dcook       Yeah, MarcEdit broke on me a few times yesterday
23:08 dcook       ^
23:07 pianohacker (yeah, the latter) My philosophy is that if people catalog wrong, Rancor shouldn't break but it should yell at them
23:07 dcook       But as the person not doing it, I wish you all the luck
23:07 dcook       Authorities shouldn't be too bad :p
23:07 dcook       Or do you mean support for linking 880 fields with others in Rancor?
23:07 dcook       I wish you luck
23:07 dcook       The 880 linked fields shouldn't be bad... so long as people entered the data according to spec
23:06 pianohacker this is giving me the heebie-jeebies :)
23:06 dcook       That would be awesome
23:06 wahanui     authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html
23:06 pianohacker and authorities
23:06 pianohacker I still have to write support for 880 linked fields
23:06 dcook       pianohacker: Didn't mean to overwhelm with text :p
23:03 dcook       Unless you weren't using the content from Zebra for display, but yeah... rabbit hole...
23:03 dcook       While you could merge your separate records into your bibliographic record for indexing, you'd have issues with display due to those bad linkages
23:02 dcook       Of course, that brings us back to this current issue
23:02 dcook       But I think the biggest obstacle was indexing
23:02 dcook       pianohacker: Actually, I found an old thread where people had talked about supporting MARC21 Holdings back when the switch to MARC was made
23:01 dcook       It supports embedded ones
23:01 dcook       Well, supported separate MARC21 Holdings records
23:01 pianohacker hey, hey now
23:01 dcook       Actually, it wouldn't be bad if Koha supported it
23:01 dcook       pianohacker: MARC21 Holdings hurts my brain
23:01 wahanui     okay, dcook.
23:01 dcook       which are also linked differently to each other within that holdings record
23:01 dcook       And each holdings record can have multiple 852 and 866
23:01 dcook       So I might have 4 holdings records linked to 1 bibliographic record
23:01 pianohacker *blink* this does not make a lot of sense, but I've never worked with MARC21 Holdings
23:00 pianohacker thanks a lot, bot
23:00 huginn`     pianohacker: [Described in full under field 866 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) []
23:00 pianohacker @marc 866
22:59 dcook       The hard part is that you want to preserve the current linkages while also adding a unique whole number..
22:59 dcook       A reliable way of re-writing linkages*
22:59 dcook       I'm trying to figure out a way of re-writing linkages between 852 and 866 fields for multiple holdings records before merging them into a bibliographic record O_O
22:58 dcook       hehe
22:58 pianohacker I wrote a report like that earlier today
22:58 pianohacker hehe
22:53 dcook       "too clever" being a bad idea :p
22:53 dcook       On an unrelated note, that moment when you can't tell if what you're thinking is very clever or too clever
22:50 wizzyrea    though I don't remember specifically why I think that
22:50 wizzyrea    I seem to recall that he's kind of odd anyway :)
22:50 * wizzyrea  doesn't doubt that myshkin would be odd.
22:47 jcamins     Sticky side *up* if your cat is walking on your ceiling.
22:47 jcamins     I mean, up.
22:46 jcamins     I mean, sticky side down if you're worried about a ceiling cat.
22:46 wizzyrea    was not expecting sticky side down
22:46 jcamins     He loves packing tape, but won't stand on duct tape.
22:46 wizzyrea    i can totally see sticky side up
22:46 dcook       Weird..
22:46 jcamins     Yeah.
22:46 wizzyrea    really!
22:46 jcamins     No, sticky side down.
22:46 jcamins     My cat doesn't like walking on duct tape.
22:46 wizzyrea    presumably sticky side up?
22:45 wizzyrea    for keeping cats away
22:45 jcamins     Yeah.
22:45 wahanui     i heard duct tape was versatile.
22:45 dcook       jcamins: duct tape?
22:45 dcook       Of course "(3" referes to Arabic and $1 is CJK
22:45 jcamins     wizzyrea: duct tape works too.
22:45 pastebot    "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Script identification code - but of course..." (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/210
22:34 * dcook     leaves everyone in suspense on that one
22:33 dcook       Oh, that reminds me..
22:33 dcook       Well, it deters them momentarily now, but they're stuck in their ways
22:33 dcook       I think that may have worked better in the early days with our boys
22:32 wizzyrea    the louder and more hissy the sprayer, the better.
22:32 wizzyrea    that one never fails. but you do have to be vigilant.
22:32 wizzyrea    resistant cats should be dealt with by water sprayer :P
22:31 Francesca   back in a bit
22:31 wizzyrea    well that is a problem of placement :P
22:31 dcook       We covered some baby stuff with tinfoil and one of the cats still went on it
22:31 Francesca   yes or bat at it from the top of the stairs
22:31 dcook       wizzyrea: It only seems partially true though
22:31 wizzyrea    I've heard that cats don't like to walk on it bc it is crinkly
22:31 dcook       Although they could jump into the tree still...
22:31 Francesca   I shall pass that on
22:31 Francesca   hmmm tempting
22:31 dcook       ^
22:31 wizzyrea    Francesca: maybe surround the bottom with tinfoil so they won't want to walk close enough to climb the tree?
22:31 Francesca   anyways I have to go do stuff now
22:30 dcook       I would if I did
22:30 dcook       hehe
22:30 Francesca   if you get round to it, post it in here
22:30 Francesca   that'd be funny
22:29 * dcook     doesn't have enough time in the day
22:29 dcook       Maybe even 'shop in a bunch of lolcats into the pit of snakes..
22:29 dcook       I suddenly had the urge to take a clip of the "Snakes... it had to be snakes" bit from Indiana Jones and dub over it saying "Cats... it had to be cats"
22:29 wahanui     The only good cat is a stir-fried cat.
22:29 Francesca   wahanui cats
22:29 Francesca   so we had to take the big spike off the top before it was destoryed
22:29 dcook       Cats...
22:28 Francesca   but our cats are attacking it
22:28 Francesca   we have
22:28 dcook       Haven't put up our christmas tree yet O_O
22:28 Francesca   yummy christmas tree
22:28 dcook       hehe
22:27 wahanui     :)
22:27 Francesca   wahanui botsnack christmas tree
22:27 wahanui     christmas is when you go to the beach and have a barbeque.
22:27 Francesca   wahanui christmas
22:27 * wizzyrea  pats wahanui
22:27 wahanui     i haven't a clue, dcook
22:27 dcook       wahanui piza?
22:27 wahanui     wizzyrea: huh?
22:27 wizzyrea    wahanui probably has a log
22:27 dcook       Of course it would be partially digested..
22:26 dcook       hehe
22:26 kidclamp    can we see everything he's eatrn? wahanui barf?
22:26 * dcook     just can't say no to a good UTF8 problem
22:26 wahanui     :)
22:26 Francesca   wahanui botsnack pizza
22:26 dcook       Well, maybe not lazy so much as torn in too many other directions anyway
22:25 dcook       I was lazy not writing the original email for the Text::Unaccent stuff too :p
22:25 wahanui     :)
22:25 wizzyrea    wahanui botsnack biscuit
22:25 wizzyrea    yay
22:25 wahanui     thanks wizzyrea :)
22:25 wizzyrea    wahanui botsnack cookie
22:25 wizzyrea    nope.
22:25 wizzyrea    botsnack cookie
22:25 wizzyrea    hm.
22:25 wizzyrea    botsnack
22:22 kidclamp    he's a good bot
22:21 * wizzyrea  is very lazy and knows wahanui knows what she is thinking of
22:20 wizzyrea    yeah I was checking :)
22:20 kidclamp    but he is not there :-(
22:19 wahanui     irc regulars is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
22:19 wizzyrea    irc regulars
22:19 kidclamp    I think
22:19 kidclamp    ztajoli++
22:17 dcook       Not sure what Zeno's handle is but ++ to Zeno too
22:16 dcook       gmcharlt++
22:15 dcook       Hmm my email isn't working. Maybe it doesn't want me to read the listserv..
22:14 dcook       Ah, I missed a departure..
22:14 dcook       Not sure about the floor space though...
22:13 dcook       drojf: I pay more than that for my place in Sydney :p
21:52 wizzyrea    due to lack of actual participation
21:51 wizzyrea    also just that whole thing, it's a fundamental lack of understanding about how we do things.
21:49 eythian     Yes
21:49 eythian     Heh
21:46 wizzyrea    possibly *the most* appropriate shruggy use ever.
21:43 wizzyrea    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:37 eythian     [off] Does he realise that (IIRC) he's not a koha developer, and so shouldn't be trying to change fundamental development workflows?
21:34 eythian     Ah
21:33 wizzyrea    oh, devel
21:33 eythian     I just see oleonard posting. Maybe the archives are missing it
21:32 wizzyrea    lol!
21:31 eythian     Maybe I should invent some pseudonyms
21:30 wizzyrea    suffice to say, our favourite bad-advice troll is loving that you're not smacking him down all the time.
21:29 wizzyrea    lol
21:29 wizzyrea    no, I don't think you want to.
21:29 eythian     I should gander at the archives
21:28 eythian     Heh
21:28 wizzyrea    ^.^
21:27 gmcharlt    ;)
21:27 gmcharlt    wizzyrea: indeed, you should be suitably sorrowful for that...
21:27 * wizzyrea  apologises for the annoying alliteration
21:26 wizzyrea    eythian: we are missing your spectacular smackdown skills.
21:25 pianohacker that was _extraordinarily_ diplomatic on galen's part, yeah
21:25 eythian     This place is fairly dense, that might take a few weeks ;-)
21:24 wizzyrea    Besides, we have to wait for you to find all of the best places to go :D
21:17 wizzyrea    e*
21:17 wizzyrea    which could be a little while, but it is a thing I suspect we will prioritis
21:17 wizzyrea    as soon as we possibly can :)
21:17 eythian     wizzyrea: so when are you coming to visit?
21:00 wizzyrea    gmcharlt++
20:49 cait1       ah yeah
20:49 cait1       heh :)
20:49 eythian     Maybe I'll bike it to Germany some day or something.
20:49 eythian     Taking my my good one from NZ, but it's really not a commuter bike here. Too fast, to likely to be stolen.
20:48 eythian     Yeah will get one when I actually move, most likely.
20:47 cait1       ... and you absolutely need a bike
20:43 wizzyrea    sweeeet
20:43 eythian     wizzyrea: about 30 mins walk or about 10 bike
20:33 cait1       heh
20:32 wizzyrea    (not Koha)
20:32 wizzyrea    grump: websites that use link blue for things that aren't links.
20:31 wizzyrea    how far from work?
20:29 eythian     Yeah ☺ it'll probably be temporary until I get stuff together to furnish my own place. But I can take time with that.
20:27 wizzyrea    well a place to put your stuff anyway :)
20:27 wizzyrea    yay a home!
20:24 eythian     I saw places at half the size that were only 100 less
20:23 eythian     That's a quite good price for the place here
20:21 cait1       hehe i had a very similar thought about here :)
20:20 drojf       and i thought berlin was expensive :O
20:17 cait1       looks reall ynice :)
20:15 cait1       eythian: rent... wow
20:12 magnuse     eythian: congrats!
20:04 cait        hi kathryn :)
20:04 kathryn     hi cait :)
20:04 kathryn     nice, eythian :)
20:03 * cait      waves
20:03 eythian     Well, in two weeks, anyway
20:02 eythian     I have new digs: http://www.pararius.com/apartment-for-rent/amsterdam/PR0001263009/frederik-hendrikstraat
20:02 kathryn     how's things?
20:02 kathryn     hi eythian :)
20:02 eythian     Hi kathryn
19:53 drojf       woohoo
19:52 magnuse     there, 27 customers upgraded in 16 minutes
19:42 drojf       heh
19:41 magnuse     good thing i usually use this laptop with an external keyboard...
19:41 magnuse     s/potimal/optimal/
19:41 magnuse     huh?
19:41 magnuse     not potimal, certainly
19:39 drojf       but if that is everywhere, that is not too good
19:39 drojf       have not tried on another instance
19:39 magnuse     ooh
19:39 drojf       had to disable the advanced editor in sysprefs to do that
19:38 drojf       i went into cataloguing (standard editor, but advanced enabled in options), tried to change the framework, ended up in advanced editor
19:38 magnuse     yeah, time flies
19:37 drojf       oleonard: 3 hours was really short
19:37 magnuse     what was the bug?
19:37 magnuse     hehe
19:37 drojf       lol talked for hours, confused now
19:37 drojf       during presentation
19:37 drojf       err
19:37 drojf       i already found a bug. live during translation :D
19:37 magnuse     hehe
19:37 drojf       do it!
19:36 * magnuse   upgrades customers to 3.20.6, but is itching to get to 3.22.1 and plack...
19:36 magnuse     moin drojf
19:27 drojf       hei magnuse
19:27 * magnuse   waves
19:06 kidclamp    oleonard: apparently it is random for the day, but then static once one is chosen
18:56 * oleonard  thought it was random, but doesn't actually use it.
18:55 kidclamp    hey koha, is there anywhere to configure QOTD as random? I see where GetDailyQuote accepts it, but not anywhere you can push it through
18:48 drojf       hi #koha
18:26 cait        good evening eythian
18:26 eythian     Good morning cait
18:06 Shane-S     cloning Koha repo now
18:06 Shane-S     kidclamp: wow...I shoulda went to lunch..think I am going now
17:51 eythian     Hi
17:49 kidclamp    keeping my fingers crossed
17:46 Shane-S     taking longer this time...good sign I hope
17:45 gaetan_B    bye
17:43 Shane-S     but I do batch scripts...think I would have known better
17:43 Shane-S     what I get for not coding in 5+ years
17:42 Shane-S     bah...darn these variables...i guess they are all strings
17:41 kidclamp    what I would have said
17:41 Shane-S     trying up again
17:41 Shane-S     I just did destroy
17:41 kidclamp    no worries, doing my best to help
17:39 Shane-S     sorry to bug you so much
17:39 Shane-S     or would I just do vagrant down?
17:39 Shane-S     oh said box is already running...so it must have started with that script error before
17:37 Shane-S     boo...something must have went wrong..should I delete the VM?
17:37 Shane-S     kidclamp: :( no localhost:8080 let me check 127
17:35 Shane-S     should have known better...;)
17:35 kidclamp    :q
17:35 kidclamp    I have double, but single might work SHane-S
17:35 kidclamp    yup, quotes
17:34 Shane-S     so I did git_full_name: Shane S should it be "Shane S' or 'Shane S'?
17:33 Shane-S     kidclamp: well nope..one more...got an error on the .yml file, on the bz_user: line with a caret under the colon...I suspect the line above, my git_full_name: is the issue...do I need to put that in quotes?
17:32 nengard     why not? I see it working ... i thought ...
17:30 * oleonard  finds that  URLLinkText doesn't work with XSLT
17:30 nengard     hehe oleonard
17:29 kidclamp    Shane-S yup
17:25 oleonard    ...great minds and all that
17:25 Shane-S     guessing kohadevbox since it has Vagrantfile
17:25 oleonard    nengard: ....which is just what you said in the bug. Never mind :)
17:23 Shane-S     maybe my last ?, do I need to be in a specific directory to vagrant up?
17:23 oleonard    nengard: Seems like you'd need to either set a global preferences like URLLinkText or add a subfield where you could put custom text
17:22 kidclamp    huzzah
17:20 Shane-S     okay NOW I have vars
17:18 kidclamp    yeah
17:18 Shane-S     ty
17:18 Shane-S     kidclamp: oh okay...thats missing from getting started...
17:18 kidclamp    been a while since I did the setup
17:18 wahanui     rumour has it git pull is really simple
17:18 kidclamp    git pull
17:18 kidclamp    git checkout -b ansible origin/ansible
17:18 kidclamp    git checkout origin/nasible
17:17 kidclamp    after those lines you need to do:
17:17 kidclamp    $ cd kohadevbox
17:17 kidclamp    git clone https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox.git
17:17 Shane-S     but there is where I am lost, I did all the getting started...unless I missed something on a 3rd party site
17:16 Shane-S     I am down to the first "Usage" part
17:16 Shane-S     kidclamp: I am following https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/tree/ansible the ansible site directions (OS X) don't have me git anything
17:15 nengard     if you add it to the item subfield u
17:15 oleonard    nengard: Under what circumstances do you see that url column in the holdings details?
17:14 wahanui     hi, nengard
17:14 nengard     hi
17:13 kidclamp    Shane-S I admit it takes getting used to, but once you are set you can destroy/create new boxes with one command
17:13 oleonard    nengard around?
17:13 kidclamp    to get the ansible branch
17:13 kidclamp    did you git checkout ansible?
17:10 Shane-S     I feel like i could have had a package version installed by now...
17:09 Shane-S     config.cfg-sample maybe?
17:09 Shane-S     kidclamp: still no directories or .yml file in kohadevbox
17:04 Shane-S     I typed it worng
17:04 Shane-S     nm
17:04 Shane-S     uh...i did git clone http:...kohadev.git, I have a kohadev folder, not a kohadevbox, and it has no /vars/ folder
17:02 kidclamp    {wherever you cloned}/kohadevbox/vars/user.yml
17:00 Shane-S     kidclamp: where is the vars/user.yml file?
16:59 mveron      bye #koha
16:58 wahanui     guests are here!
16:58 * mveron    Guests...
16:58 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Error pages: Code duplication removal and better translatability
16:58 * mveron    will check later if there is a comment on Bug 15288 regarding QA concerns about people who might have their error pages customized.
16:55 Shane-S     doing ansible now....
16:53 kidclamp    the only thing that would remain would be your kohadevbox clone, the koha cloen would be inside the vm
16:51 Shane-S     I just want it to be clean in the vm, so if I delete it from VB it is all gone, not a git clone file sitting somewhere
16:50 kidclamp    I don't know if anisble does a shallow or full clone (it's about 1 gig or so if so)
16:50 kidclamp    or clone koha onto your drive and then to the export SYNC_RPOE
16:50 Shane-S     I just ask cause I only have a 256Gb SSD...limited space
16:50 kidclamp    you can eithe rlet it do a clone into the vm automagically
16:49 Shane-S     does it move the git clone files into the vm file?
16:49 kidclamp    lots of magic and koha is runnning at the end
16:49 kidclamp    and poof
16:49 kidclamp    from the kohadevbox dir
16:49 kidclamp    or wheezy etc
16:49 kidclamp    but yeah, with all of that set up you should then just: vagrant up jessie
16:47 kidclamp    I have only done this on Ubuntu
16:47 kidclamp    and yes, git to clone kohadevbox :-)
16:47 kidclamp    oh, you need ansible on Mac too
16:45 Shane-S     would I have the VM running and install git there?
16:45 Shane-S     kidclamp: so...installed virtbox, and vagrant, site says I need ansible and git and to clone...then I do the vagrant stuff after the vars/ step...I am lost sorta
16:26 kidclamp    Shane-S you need only install vagrant and virtualbox and configure the setup files.  Vagrant will take care of getting your guest OS etc
16:26 reiveune    bye
16:24 * Shane-S   is off to see wizard the wonderful wizard of...oh snap I think I broke it
16:24 Shane-S     guess I have to try and fail to get that "ah-ha" moment
16:23 Shane-S     maybe I am not understanding vagrant...
16:20 Shane-S     hmm reading that.."what you get" seems misleading...unless I am not understanding vagrant right...you have to do the initial OS/VM install first and then install vagrant on that right?
16:15 Shane-S     ty
16:15 Shane-S     oh okay, will check it out
16:15 kidclamp    https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/tree/ansible
16:14 kidclamp    ansible branch works very nicely
16:14 kidclamp    try kohadevbox Shane-S - simplifies a lot of the setup
16:14 Shane-S     oh well time to see how much free ram my macbook pro has...if I can load it with virtualbox/ubunut and maybe finally grasp git to get a development version to break ;)
16:12 ashimema    I love the thinking there Shane-S
16:11 Shane-S     darn it...i wanted lottery #s so I could just call up and pay you guys for the plugin...now I gotta learn ubunut/git/vmware[virtualbox]/perl/javascript (beyond onclick and get elementbyid
16:08 nengard     fixed
16:07 nengard     hehe
16:07 nengard     never ever
16:07 khall       looks like nengard made a typo ; )
16:06 khall       heh ; )
16:06 Shane-S     khall: P.S. http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/01/23/koha-plugin-system-coming-soon/  what is the future like in 3013!!!, can you tell me the winning lottery number for this week? ;)
16:02 Shane-S     khall: on the database side...if I need a custom table, is that suggested/doable, or would it be best to store data in a flat file?
16:01 Shane-S     khall: hmm, okay, maybe this is doable. Okay I will do that.
16:00 khall       you can check out my coverflow plugin, it adds javascript to the opacuserjs system preference
16:00 khall       not unless you make it
16:00 Shane-S     khall: would that syspref change get overwritten with an update?
15:59 khall       that's how the EDS plugin works for example
15:59 khall       Shane-S: yes, you can make a plugin interact with other parts of Koha, but you need to add javascript to the sysprefs to do so
15:59 Shane-S     I track all my IT assets in Koha...and right now I have to arrange paper to make a 'damage trail', doesn't sound too complex from my end...but I only know Php/MySQL...some some language barriers for me...never been much with jquery web2.0 stuff
15:57 Shane-S     behind the scene it would have to flat file (or ideally DB) store the item id , patron id, user if, note, and date
15:57 Shane-S     the idea I had, was a broken page icon labeled "Damage Report", on the checkin/out screen...(once you scanned an item) and you could then click it would expand to a form entry (just a text box and maybe a patrod ID box) so you could enter a note and press save
15:56 cait        just thinking loud, hope it makes some kind of sense
15:55 cait        if you send the itemnumber with the link, it could offer a ready to enter screen maybe?
15:55 cait        to your plugin page
15:55 cait        you could use jquery to add a link to the returned items table
15:55 cait        Shane-S: hm let's say it was a report
15:54 Shane-S     *defeated* then I can't use it to quickly track and enter damage reports, that would add a log record with item id/patronid/user id/ note and be reportable
15:54 cait        i mean adding as an option
15:54 cait        but maybe if the hook was general enough, we could do something like that?
15:54 khall       right now it can add a tool, a report, or convert files to marc
15:53 khall       Shane-S: no, the plugin system can't do that right now
15:53 Shane-S     wait s/then/than.....I failed grammar
15:53 Shane-S     khall...*blinks* http://translate.koha-community.org/manual/master/en/html-desktop/#pluginsystem ....its a paragraph...i needs more info then that ;)
15:51 nengard     Shane-S let's ask khall :)
15:51 wnickc      F=friendly
15:50 * Shane-S   just had a daydream of people muttering RTFM
15:49 Shane-S     so watching Kyle's video, a plug in is limited to the "plugins" page, or can it go further and add a feature to the check-in/out screens (even if it is a floating div or something)
15:39 Shane-S     cait: thank you, I just need to see what is involved, and how separate/integrated they need to be from/with Koha
15:37 cait        also here. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_plugins
15:36 cait        some examples can be found here: http://bywatersolutions.com/koha-plugins/
15:36 cait        hm that was not what i was looking for :) one sec
15:36 wahanui     plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they?
15:36 cait        plugins?
15:34 Shane-S     where would I find information about making an "Add-On". cait suggested I might want to look into making on for my idea of damage reports/tracking
14:08 mveron      ...and hi everybody :-)
14:08 mveron      Joubu ^
13:55 magnuse     is there a bigger danger that people customized the error pages than any other pages?
13:47 mveron      I fixed it and streamlined code, we need now a feedback on Bug 15288 because there are QA concerns about people who might have their error pages customized.
13:46 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Error pages: Code duplication removal and better translatability
13:46 magnuse     bug 15288
13:45 mveron      Um diesen Fehler zu melden, können Sie E-Mail an den Koha-Administrator.
13:45 mveron      We have a transalatability issue in the error pages, e.g. 404 in German:
13:41 huginn`     mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 6.0°C (2:30 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Steady).
13:41 mveron      @wunder Allschwil
13:41 mveron      Hi #koha
13:36 magnuse     ;-)
13:36 magnuse     oh here is a bad one too: 12-31-2015
13:35 magnuse     lulz
13:35 wahanui     de nada jcamins
13:35 jcamins     Thanks, wahanui.
13:35 jcamins     -15? Yeah, that would be worse.
13:35 wahanui     -15
13:35 jcamins     01-15-01?
13:35 jcamins     01-15-Jan, maybe?
13:34 jcamins     Hmph. I think I could come up with a worse date format.
13:29 cait        t
13:29 cait        yeah... one can not help to wonder what they were thinking programming tha
13:25 oleonard    magnuse: That date format one is pretty bad!
13:16 magnuse     this is right up there with my fave ils date format, which was 01-jan-15
13:13 magnuse     ooh, the email address is actually stored in the column called... PhoneNumber! i love it!
13:13 huginn`     magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.18 in 988 hPa (Steady).
13:13 magnuse     @wunder boo
13:11 cait        oh - i was starting to get a little jealous )
13:11 huginn`     cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (2:00 PM CET on December 10, 2015). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Falling).
13:11 Joubu       (from 2 to 3pm...)
13:11 cait        @wunder Konstanz
13:11 Joubu       Youhou, they forecast sun for tomorrow!!
13:10 cait        heh
13:09 * oleonard  jumps out of his chair when a random jcamins appears out of nowhere
13:07 jcamins     oleonard: I prefer entering "No email address" in the BorrowerPhoneNumbers table in the email field and putting an email address in the phone number field in the BorrowerDemographics table.
13:04 oleonard    magnuse: Better or worse that putting "No email address" in the email address field?
13:04 cait        ... which wouldn't make sense...
13:04 cait        it probably predates emails?
13:04 cait        heh
13:03 magnuse     ooh yeah, let's stick the email addresses in the table called BorrowerPhoneNumbers, that makes sense
13:03 cait        hm has closing an invoice any effect besides it being closed?
13:02 cait        rebel :)
13:02 * oleonard  bangs some pots and pans
12:59 ashimema    quiet in the library
12:50 magnuse     ssshhhh...
12:49 cait        quiet day today
12:49 cait        hi oleonard
12:48 oleonard    Hi #koha
10:19 vfernandes  hummm ok cait... thank you
10:17 cait        i just checked - it's possible in 3.18 using the system preference and then in 3.20 with the circulation conditions
10:16 cait        i think the system preference is opacitemholds - the old one. But i think it your version it hax probably only 2 options and not the third to enforce item level holds
10:16 cait        vfernandes: i thik it's not possible in 3.16 - i am sorry
10:15 huginn`     Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:15 Joubu       @later tell oleonard I am waiting an answer on bug 15314 to continue QAing the other bootstrap modal patches.
10:11 vfernandes  this installation will be upgraded soon
10:08 wahanui     3.16 is pretty old by now
10:08 vfernandes  3.16...
10:08 cait        which version are you using?
10:07 cait        it was moved from a system preference into the circulation matrix
10:07 cait        I think you can in 3.20... maybe earlier
10:07 vfernandes  yes
10:07 cait        do you wnt to only allow item level holds?
10:06 vfernandes  it's possible to turn off the hold of the next available item?
10:06 vfernandes  hi :)
09:49 huginn`     Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:49 Joubu       @later tell tcohen plack.psgi also disables the syspref cache!
09:28 Joubu       hi
09:02 cait        hi magnuse
09:01 magnuse     g'day cait
08:52 cait        morning #koha
08:29 magnuse     gah, still utterly dark outside
08:01 gaetan_B    hello
08:00 wahanui     niihau, alex_a
08:00 alex_a      bonjour
07:59 reiveune    hello
07:34 cait        kia ora
07:34 magnuse     kia ora cait
06:50 * magnuse   waves
02:39 huginn`     wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
02:39 wizzyrea    @later tell oleonard hi, I miss you, and I have a question - should we come up with an interface pattern for the staff side search area that always shows check out, check in, search the catalogue, and always defaults to the active module's search (but keeps them in order)? I feel like this is a necessary thing, what do you think?
02:38 wizzyrea    Hrm.
02:16 wizzyrea    hah no
02:16 dcook       At least by comparison
02:16 dcook       Wasn't working no matter what I tried... eventually realized it was a bug, updated to LibreOffice 4, and it worked like a dream
02:16 dcook       Did I ever tell you the story of trying to print labels on LibreOffice 3?
02:16 dcook       Label creators seem like a tough one to get right
02:15 dcook       I'm behind the times, so I don't know
02:15 dcook       hehe
02:11 wizzyrea    (I hope)
02:11 wizzyrea    and be like "dafuq this is so much better now"
02:11 wizzyrea    and then they'll go back to the old version
02:10 wizzyrea    they'll hate it and then they'll get used to it
02:10 wizzyrea    it'll be like twitter
02:10 wizzyrea    (good or bad)
02:10 * wizzyrea  wants to know what people think
02:10 wizzyrea    oh, has anybody heard anything from the users regarding the label creator? I guess that's pretty new.
02:09 wizzyrea    we could make it so much better >.<
02:07 dcook       I still get flummoxed by it
02:07 dcook       Oh I can only imagine..
02:06 wizzyrea    (until you get used to it)
02:06 wizzyrea    I feel like it has to be really flummoxing.
02:06 wizzyrea    to go into a library and watch the users try to use acquisitions
02:05 wizzyrea    I would love, love.
01:23 wizzyrea    you all have possibly already talked about this
01:23 huginn`     04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14673 major, P3, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Renewals cause Sipserver  to crash
01:23 wizzyrea    I wonder if bug 14673 has to do with our SIP double statuses
01:23 wizzyrea    huh
01:19 dcook       As that's the official port for Z39.50...
01:19 dcook       Oh I'm silly, I should have tried port 210...
01:02 dcook       Cool beans ^_^
00:59 dcook       Why even have MARCXML as an option if it's just going to break..
00:59 dcook       Yep, that was it
00:59 dcook       That was my earlier problem..
00:59 dcook       Maybe it can't handle MARCXML..
00:59 dcook       Oh, I think I might know..
00:58 dcook       This is so frustrating..
00:57 dcook       Crap... I was able to get the Z39.50 connection over TCP, but now MarcEdit won't download the records..
00:56 dcook       Although, as you say, I don't think it would make sense then either
00:56 dcook       messages*
00:56 dcook       But I clearly missed earlier messagse
00:55 dcook       Yeah, I was confused as to what he was talking about...
00:54 wizzyrea    see also: toxic masculinity.
00:53 wizzyrea    he's butthurt that a girl told him that he's not useful.
00:52 wizzyrea    this email is a response to that.
00:52 * dcook     thumbs up
00:52 wizzyrea    in reasonably nice words
00:52 wizzyrea    I sent him a private email saying "you are not helping"
00:52 dcook       I'm surprised I'm actually crafting this reply at the moment, but I do want to learn more about MarcEdit integration, as I think it could be useful for librarians..
00:52 dcook       To be honest, I've been too distracted to view the listserv much
00:51 dcook       Yeah, eythian was the best at that
00:51 dcook       :(
00:51 wizzyrea    and eythian was quite good at smacking paul down, have you noticed that since he sent his farewell paul's messages have increased in frequency?
00:50 wizzyrea    we got rid of the last one, quite pointedly.
00:50 wizzyrea    there's always one
00:50 wizzyrea    yeah we only have one
00:49 dcook       The trolling is actually fairly rare
00:49 dcook       Errr... at least that's how I feel about it..
00:49 wizzyrea    no reason not to sign up for them
00:49 dcook       "koha list" is a place where you can help people out and feel good about yourself :)
00:49 dcook       francesca: The koha-devel one is usually handy
00:49 dcook       Sometimes think about choosing from 49152–65535 but then what happens if your server goes down, something else decides to use one of those ports dynamically and then you try to restart and you can't use that port?
00:48 francesca   if you can do that
00:48 * francesca should probably look at signing up for the mailing list
00:48 dcook       Admittedly, I wish I knew more about the convention of choosing TCP ports for stuff..
00:47 dcook       And it wasn't in use anyway..
00:47 dcook       Even though there's nothing official registered against 3000
00:47 dcook       But I'm sure for some reason that's going to be dreadfully awful
00:47 dcook       Port 9998 wasn't working for me, so I used port 3000
00:47 dcook       Actually, almost definintely
00:47 dcook       Probably
00:47 dcook       haha
00:46 wizzyrea    yeah, he'll troll it
00:46 dcook       Possibly overly technical...
00:46 dcook       I think this MarcEdit email I'm writing to koha list might actually be helpful..
00:46 dcook       Maybe I'll compensate for some trolling
00:45 wahanui     You can subscribe to the Koha mailing list at https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha it is hosted by Katipo Communications.
00:45 wizzyrea    koha list
00:45 francesca   captain trollface?
00:44 wizzyrea    no, I am talking about captain trollface
00:41 dcook       As you could use SRU or Z39.50 over TCP...
00:40 dcook       Should be more like __ZEBRA_TCP_HOST__...
00:40 dcook       Interesting... __ZEBRA_SRU_HOST__ is a bit of a misnomer..
00:39 pianohacker yeah, I hoped it wasn't THAT shocking :)
00:39 cait        :)
00:39 cait        pianohacker: i think she is not tlaking about your bug
00:38 pianohacker que pasó
00:38 wizzyrea    oh. my. god.
00:38 wizzyrea    omg.
00:35 huginn`     04Bug 15347: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , itemcallnumber syspref does not work when adding items through acquisitions
00:35 pianohacker http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15347
00:33 pianohacker kk :)
00:33 cait        i don#t remember a bug
00:32 cait        hm?
00:26 wahanui     it has been said that wizzyrea is so dumb at rewrite rules.
00:26 dcook       or wizzyrea
00:26 dcook       pianohacker: Alas, no idea. cait might know.
00:26 dcook       Interesting... 9998 is blocked but I was able to get through on a lower port...
00:25 pianohacker that gives a bib-level subfield that should be copied into the itemcallnumber
00:25 pianohacker sorry, I should clarify that I mean the _syspref_ itemcallnumber
00:25 dcook       Like not saving?
00:25 dcook       How do you mean not working?
00:24 pianohacker totally unrelated to that. Does anyone know of a bug for itemcallnumber not working in the acquisitions items screen, before I file a dup?
00:23 pianohacker ...
00:16 dcook       [off] Just read it...
00:13 dcook       I suppose it could be a router level thing...
00:12 dcook       All which should have access to that IP address and port..
00:12 dcook       Hmm it accepts the TCP connection on the server, but not from another server or from Windows..