IRC log for #koha, 2015-11-02

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00:44 wizzyrea @marc 590
00:44 huginn wizzyrea: unknown tag 590
00:44 wizzyrea ORLY.
00:48 jcamins wahanui: @marc 590 is private note, usually equivalent to an institution-specific 500 note.
00:48 wahanui OK, jcamins.
00:49 wizzyrea we don't even have it in our frameworks, it's obsolete :P
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00:51 tcohen hi
00:51 wahanui what's up, tcohen
00:51 wizzyrea hi tcohen
00:51 tcohen hi wizzyrea
00:51 eythian tcohen: what's the bug that goes with that thing you want me to package?
00:51 eythian I'm going to try to do it today
00:52 tcohen it is a side effect of the decision to rely on DBIC to handle the DB handle
00:52 jcamins wizzyrea: no it's not. it's a private field.
00:52 tcohen hi jcamins!
00:52 tcohen eythian: it is related to bug 14778
00:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14778 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , DBIC should create/own the DB handler
00:52 eythian ta
00:53 jcamins Which isn't to say that using it isn't in terribly poor taste. It's just not obsolete.
00:53 tcohen we need to get rid of DBI::Mock
00:53 jcamins :)
00:53 jcamins tcohen: hello!
00:53 wizzyrea < says obsolete, and is local use.
00:53 tcohen jcamins: remember for them is monday morning
00:53 tcohen don't be rude
00:53 eythian tcohen: afternoon already :)
00:53 wizzyrea ^.^
00:54 * tcohen misses unity's dropdown calendar
00:55 tcohen with all timezones I need
00:55 wizzyrea ALL OF THEM.
00:55 wizzyrea :)
00:55 wizzyrea koha development never sleeps.
00:56 tcohen for me is "europe", "kyle's" and "kiwis"
00:56 tcohen heh
00:56 wizzyrea hehehe everything else is "sometime in between those"
00:56 tcohen definitely
00:56 tcohen ntw, a guy who's been in nz recently
00:57 tcohen told me kiwis is not a gentle way to refer to people?
00:57 eythian dunno where he went
00:57 eythian it's perfectly fine
00:57 * wizzyrea defers to actual kiwis
00:57 tcohen not wellington evidently
00:57 rangi someone was probably making it up
00:57 eythian or anywhere else I've lived :)
00:57 tcohen ah, that's sure
00:58 rangi messing with tourists is a past time
00:58 wizzyrea (though I can't think of a single place I've been where people wouldn't have referred to themselves as "kiwis"
00:58 wizzyrea )
00:58 wizzyrea ^^^
00:58 eythian it's true
00:58 wahanui I read it on the internet!
00:58 tcohen hehe
00:58 tcohen so my tweet about a global bug squashing week
00:58 wizzyrea yes tell us more.
00:59 eythian[…]n_in_new_zealand/ <-- this is a classic example
00:59 tcohen i've set a Trello board with bugs that *we* find important for the release
00:59 eythian tcohen: I'm sure I've talked to you before about trello
00:59 tcohen yeah, OpenBoard
00:59 tcohen hm, not, there was another one
01:00 tcohen anyway
01:00 eythian I use
01:00 tcohen the point is try to do this week
01:00 eythian err
01:00 eythian taiga
01:00 wizzyrea taiga
01:00 tcohen that we always talk about: working together (somehow)
01:01 tcohen we have a complicated starman-related bug, which I expect to tackle with a hangout session with dobrica and jonathan
01:01 tcohen (we worked 3 hours on it with jonathan un-successfuly)
01:01 tcohen and there are other things that can be problematic
01:01 tcohen the point is trying to focus on that this week
01:01 tcohen while the rest of the enh are pushed
01:02 tcohen I've listed things, and Katrin added some too
01:02 tcohen if you want/can do something about any of those, just put your name on it
01:02 tcohen and ask for help if needed
01:02 tcohen or peer review, whatever
01:02 eythian you're also assuming we're all on twitter, btw :)
01:03 tcohen ah, of course
01:03 tcohen you all use trello and twitter
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01:03 wizzyrea taiga*
01:03 tcohen i forgot to send an email about this
01:03 tcohen
01:03 tcohen damn
01:04 tcohen yeah, there is a Koha Community project in Taiga too
01:04 tcohen I just used what I had at hand
01:04 tcohen anyway
01:05 tcohen if you don't have a trello user, just pass me your email and I invite you to the board
01:05 eythian We were looking in to setting up a taiga instance for the community, not sure where it's at though.
01:05 eythian tcohen: that's not exactly the point
01:05 eythian using proprietary software to manage free software is a bad idea.
01:06 tcohen
01:06 tcohen eythian: I know
01:06 tcohen it is only for this week
01:06 eythian the taiga link doesn't work, btw
01:06 eythian (permission denied)
01:07 tcohen I'm not sure taiga will work for a project like Koha
01:07 tcohen but, anyway
01:07 eythian dcook: I think I should have given that talk after all, recorded it, and posted it here :)
01:07 tcohen I'm sure someone will make it work
01:08 tcohen i don't have the time to do it unfortunately
01:08 tcohen i can't even manage people to fix their broken tests once jenkins alerts them :-D
01:08 eythian heh
01:09 * tcohen didn't know Ian was born in cait's city
01:09 eythian presumably there's not much difference between doing it in trello vs. taiga. They do similar things, aiui
01:09 eythian which Ian?
01:10 tcohen eythian: taiga is way better, but it assumes you are a team
01:10 tcohen well, nevermind didn't want to discuss the proposed workflows for each tool
01:10 tcohen eythian: Debrah's boyfriend?
01:11 eythian who is Debrah?
01:11 rangi from debian eythian
01:11 eythian oh right
01:11 tcohen Ian Murdock
01:11 wizzyrea I always feel a bit bad for them
01:12 tcohen Ian Murdock, Katrin Fischer, that's an important city!
01:12 wizzyrea though, I suppose it's nice that a part of what you created together outlived your togetherness?
01:12 wizzyrea (kind of like having kids, really.)
01:13 cait huh?
01:13 wizzyrea debian named for "debrah" and "Ian" and I guess they broke up?
01:13 tcohen wizzyrea: they did
01:14 tcohen cait: don't you ever sleep?
01:14 wizzyrea cait: go to bed
01:14 wizzyrea :)
01:14 tcohen cait: I've just noticed the Debian creator was born in Konstanz
01:16 tcohen from the bug list, we really need help on Bug 15030
01:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15030 blocker, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Certain values in serials' items are lost on next edit
01:16 tcohen sorry
01:16 tcohen not that one :-D
01:16 tcohen bug 15032
01:16 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import
01:17 cait tcohen: ah strange :) I wasn't born here tho
01:17 tcohen we reproduced it, consistently, in kohadevbox
01:17 tcohen might be related to a starman bug, an integration problem (the passed options for starman in koha-plack scripts)
01:18 tcohen the import "works"
01:19 tcohen and warn'ing the respose on each call (from the UI) shows good data
01:19 tcohen but there is an "Internal server error" on the last call
01:19 tcohen and we have no clue
01:20 tcohen and fear it could have consequences on another pieces of Koha
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01:36 tcohen we should put libreboard in
01:36 tcohen and solve the authentication integration challenge
01:36 tcohen and that'd work for all of us I think
01:40 tcohen bye
01:42 eythian <-- erk, libreboard actually took trello's css and checked it in to their git. That's crossing a wrong line, imo.
01:45 rangi i still like taiga better anyway
01:46 * dcook starts reading the scrollback
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01:53 dcook eythian: You should've totally done that talk, recorded it, and pasted it here :p
01:53 eythian I shoulda
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03:56 wizzyrea annoying thing: documentation says "this is optional" when optional step supports core functionality.
03:56 wizzyrea silly.
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06:24 balvis how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file?
06:28 * balvis slaps Oak around a bit with a large fishbot
06:28 Oak how rude.
06:29 balvis sorry.wrongly clicked
06:29 Oak :)
06:30 balvis how to find out the number of records imported from .sql file?
06:31 Oak in Koha? you imported an sql file directly in the database?
06:31 balvis yes. using $ mysql -uroot -p books < koha.sql command
06:35 Oak never tried it. may be use the verbose mode[…]ion_mysql_verbose
06:37 Oak by 'record's if you mean book records (and book items) then I think one should be doing this http://manual.koha-community.o[…]en/stagemarc.html
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07:13 magnuse Oak
07:13 magnuse \o/
07:13 Oak \o/
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07:42 reiveune hello
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07:55 alex_a bonjour
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08:12 gaetan_B hello
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08:37 mveron Hi again #koha
08:37 mveron Trello?
08:37 wahanui Trello is, like, great for this sort of thing
08:38 mveron wahanui ++  :-)
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08:56 magnuse @wuner boo
08:56 huginn magnuse: downloading the Perl source
08:56 magnuse @wunder boo
08:56 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
08:56 magnuse yay
08:59 mveron @wunder Allschwil
08:59 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 6.0°C (9:50 AM CET on November 02, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady).
09:02 * mveron counts: Still 8 C4::Dates removal bugs left to sign-off for finally having Bug 12072
09:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, ASSIGNED , New dateformat
09:09 paul_p rangi = I'm very happy for NZ & all Blacks. (and not very happy with the lack of "french flair" we had during this RWC :\ )
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09:30 magnuse ooh, book about Dancer on kickstarter[…]2/perldancer-book
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09:53 drojf hi #koha
09:54 magnuse moin drojf
09:55 drojf hei magnuse
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10:00 atheia
10:00 atheia [Fri Oct 30 2015]
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10:00 atheia *** Topic for #koha: Welcome to the IRC home of Koha
10:00 atheia | Code of conduct -
10:00 atheia[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use
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10:01 atheia <Francesca> happy (almost) halloween #koha, I decorated:
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10:01 atheia <cait> very pretty :)  [11:51]
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10:02 atheia <drojf> hi #koha
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10:02 atheia barton  [12:29]
10:02 atheia <drojf> huh what happened to bz? :D  [12:30]
10:02 atheia <drojf> heh, and we got a halloween dashboard, awesome!  [12:34]
10:02 atheia <drojf> rangi++
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10:02 atheia <cdickinson> drojf: Francesca reskinned it and rangi pushed it up this morning
10:02 cdickinson someone make it stop
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10:02 atheia <drojf> Francesca++  [12:40]
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10:02 atheia <Joubu> mveron-away: the problem on bug 15087 makes me nervous  [12:57]
10:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15087 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL
10:02 atheia <huginn> Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15087
10:02 atheia critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Fix
10:02 huginn Bug 15087: critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , hardduedate should not be inserted as 0000-00-00 but NULL
10:03 atheia GetHardDueDate return value
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10:03 atheia <magnuse> atheia: sorry, i was afk for a bit  [13:09]
10:03 atheia <atheia> magnuse: No problem, let's chat now.  [13:15]
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10:40 mveron Hi again...
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11:26 Traumatan hello koha-people, I recently suffer a lot trying to got our sip server working. Can anybody point me to a ressource which explains setting it up and the error codes?
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11:52 drojf why are SRU servers hardcoded to biblio search?
12:10 magnuse because its more fun that way?
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12:27 tcohen hi
12:27 wahanui que tal, tcohen
12:29 magnuse kia ora tcohen
12:30 drojf magnuse: not if i want to use it for authority data? :P
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12:31 barton morning #koha!
12:33 magnuse ok, maybe not more fun, but more interesting
12:35 barton I have a library that has imported a bunch of marc records with humongous 500$a subfields (there are about 80 records with 500 tags exceeding 10 000 bytes). This is causing a full zebra re-index to fail. What's the maximum size for 500$a? (or perhaps, more generally, the maximum size for a marc subfield?)
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12:37 tcohen barton, are you reindexing with -x?
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12:38 barton tcohen, let me see...
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13:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
13:09 nengard hola mt
13:09 nengard or :)
13:09 nengard hola mtompset
13:10 mtompset nengard: That's quite a few greetings. Are you a robot today? :)
13:10 nengard No, I'm a tired person who can't type :)
13:11 xarragon Hmm, where can I find tarballs of translations?
13:11 xarragon I found the raw .po files..
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13:23 magnuse xarragon: the files are on pootle, you can download .zip, not sure about .tar
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13:34 xarragon magnuse: I just need something that the installer can handle, alternatively just manually copy it into position,
13:36 xarragon Hm, seems like you can actually just download the PO files put it into 'translator/po'.
13:38 mtompset nengard: A tired person is a robot. ;)
13:39 mtompset tired person?
13:39 wahanui it has been said that tired person is a robot. ;)
13:39 mtompset wahanui forget tired person
13:39 wahanui mtompset: I forgot tired person
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13:41 xarragon Hmm, another "translation installer" script?
13:42 xarragon Ah, for older versions I guess.
13:42 xarragon Ah, and the .po files is what I am supposed to feed em, not the archive. Then I am all set.
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13:46 magnuse xarragon: yeah, you can just use the .po files
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14:02 xarragon magnuse: Hm, seems like I have a bunch of .po's in my gitified install already
14:02 xarragon magnuse: Under '/var/koha/Koha/misc/translator/po'
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14:04 xarragon magnuse: Ah, which is actually said on the wiki as well.
14:11 xarragon Well, installing additional languages was ridiculusly easy it turned out.
14:11 xarragon Props to Koha
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14:20 tcohen mtompset++
14:20 tcohen first one to assign himself a bug
14:21 mtompset Ah.
14:21 mtompset tcohen: Is there a way to format a date in the Template and NOT the perl code?
14:21 tcohen $KohaDate
14:22 tcohen mtompset: have you filled a bug for kohadevbox:ansible to run on windows?
14:22 mtompset No.
14:22 mtompset Like I said... I'm not touching plack.
14:22 mtompset Too hard.
14:22 mtompset Head pounding with sinus headache.
14:22 mtompset Too much else to do. :)
14:23 tcohen mtompset: it is not plack-only
14:23 tcohen anyway: [% USE KohaDates %] and then [% value | $KohaDates %]
14:25 mtompset I'm not touching kohadevbox (it's plack in my mind)
14:26 tcohen it is not plack: it is having a clean env for working on Koha. It is not mandatory, though. Only comfortable
14:28 mtompset plack is the only reason I looked at it. ;)
14:30 tcohen ok, kohadebbox == plack, got it :-P
14:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14773: Move help link back out of the dropdown menu <[…]f80dbb5f68b8fa925> / Bug 15073: Move FeeOnChangePatronCategory <[…]d098d256830408314> / Bug 15090: Fix date filter for Suggestions management <[…]=koha.git;a=commi
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15:44 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10904: DBRev <[…]14674fc856fad7084> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) Use branch limit if either IndependentBranches or Independen... <[…]b6461e36d4db59454> / Bug 10904: (QA followup) would like to limit patron update request management by... <http:/
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15:46 wilfrid salut tout le monde
15:47 mtompset Bonjour, wilfrid. :)
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16:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14978: DBRev <[…]0e2aa6d56beb03066> / Bug 14978: Add unique key constraint on issues.itemnumber <[…]ca52ccbb37902d43c> / Bug 14589: Adjust authorities_merge_ajax and replace some indirect syntax <
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16:11 xarragon Hmm, when I install languages it seems like the template files are.. copied from en and written to new files?
16:12 xarragon 'en' being the default language.. Because now i all of a sudden have multiple copies of my new template file I was working on, which was a bit confusing.
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16:43 nengard_cafe I might alone in this, but this one[…]_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master
16:43 huginn Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed
16:43 nengard_cafe and I'm not sure how to fix it
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17:14 mtompset @later tell tcohen sudo apt-get install linux-headers* -- back to failed ansible.
17:14 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
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17:18 mveron-away Good evening or daytime #koha
17:18 nengard_cafe @later tell tcohen I might alone in this, but this one[…]_bug.cgi?id=15091 seems kind of like a serious issue in master
17:18 huginn nengard_cafe: The operation succeeded.
17:18 huginn Bug 15091: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Batch Checkout Doesn't Tell You it Failed
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18:40 magnuse xarragon: right you are running something like "koha-translate -i nb-NO" creates a new set of translated templates
18:40 magnuse s/are/are\./
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18:44 tcohen @later tell Joubu please check 5b521eb394771ee305777f0b44098be5fdd11cc7 broke t/db_dependent/Barcodes.t
18:44 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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19:35 * cait waves
19:35 * wnickc waves
19:39 * nengard waves
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19:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
19:42 mtompset tcohen: I'm back. :)
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19:46 rangi morning
19:46 nengard afternoon :)
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19:57 cait evening
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20:13 wizzyrea @later tell tcohen I have something for you to play with at, if you ever have a minute ever again. :)
20:13 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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20:21 mveron mtompset ++ for commenting on Bug 14946
20:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14946 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Dates from files acqui/*.pl
20:21 mtompset Thanks.
20:22 mtompset Ah, you have an update.
20:22 mtompset I'll look at it later. :)
20:22 mveron Great :-)
20:42 mveron nengard: Thanks for testing Bug 14948  :-)   - I re-tested and I could not reproduce your issue (after a full browser reload).
20:42 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Display amounts right aligned in tables on patron pages
20:43 nengard maybe it was a cache issue - let me try again
20:43 mveron Thanks :-)
20:47 nengard mveron signed off :)
20:47 nengard sorry about that
20:48 mveron nengard: No problem :-) Thanks for signing off.
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21:05 pianohacker hi
21:05 wahanui hola, pianohacker
21:05 pianohacker hi
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21:15 eythian hi
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21:17 eythian no wahanui, trello is frowned upon.
21:17 wahanui okay, eythian.
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21:26 wizzyrea hm, is there a reason not to have the daemon be the default real time index update method?
21:27 pianohacker rumor in these parts is that it used to be buggy, may be better now
21:28 wizzyrea did "these parts" file a bug for the issues?
21:28 cait i think that is the old daemon
21:28 cait pianohacker thinks about
21:28 cait not the new one
21:29 pianohacker wizzyrea: not sure :)
21:29 cait and... ignore me if i don't make sense :) long day here
21:29 pianohacker potato potato potato
21:30 rangi i haven't heard any issues with the new daemon, it used to be hard to install, but now it's packaged, not a problem
21:30 eythian what's the third one?
21:30 wahanui i heard the third one was opaque.. did you miss out streetaddress because it should be deleted.. or because you forgot to set it
21:35 wizzyrea just wondering if we should switch fully over to it
21:35 wizzyrea for new installs.
21:36 pianohacker good way to work out any remaining bugs
21:36 rangi i think it will become the default at some point
21:36 rangi prolly 3.24
21:38 nengard maybe 3.24 can be 4.0? this numbers is getting silly
21:38 nengard I had someone tell me they were on 3.2 the other day
21:38 wizzyrea no 4.
21:38 nengard meaning 3.20
21:38 nengard why not 4 wizzyrea
21:38 wizzyrea 4 is confusing for people who use not-koha
21:39 nengard then 24
21:39 nengard I don't care as long as it's not 3.xx anymore
21:39 nengard I'm not picky about what it is as long as it's no 3.xx
21:39 nengard :)
21:39 * eythian is sorta pro dated releases, but it gets tricky having multiple release streams
21:40 pianohacker we could always just rename Koha to C4 and start a new set of versions
21:40 nengard Cute names like debian or android
21:40 nengard we can go with ice cream flavors :) hehe
21:40 pianohacker I would love named versions!
21:40 nengard hush pianohacker
21:40 nengard to the c4 thing
21:40 nengard not the named thing
21:40 nengard hehe
21:40 rangi that only works for the major version
21:40 nengard true
21:40 nengard i go back to numbers
21:41 nengard just not 3.x numbers :) hehe
21:41 pianohacker koha rocky road point 4
21:41 nengard LOL
21:41 nengard koha mint chip 5
21:41 rangi and we do about 18 times as many minor versions as we do major versions
21:41 rangi for every release
21:42 pianohacker chrome/firefox style versioning?
21:42 eythian tbh, people are going to get confused about version numbers no matter what
21:42 pianohacker aka delete the major version
21:42 wizzyrea 16.5 (for y16m5) and 16.11 (for y16m11) for may and novermber releases
21:42 nengard oooo
21:43 wizzyrea novermber
21:43 wizzyrea that is not fight
21:43 nengard meme
21:43 nengard hehe
21:43 pianohacker yeah, eythian, but we have the option of switching before we get as far as linux 2 did :)
21:43 wizzyrea nor right.
21:43 nengard neither of us can type
21:43 eythian wizzyrea: you'll have to adapt that for minors, but that's perhaps not a biggie
21:43 wizzyrea add a 3rd number?
21:44 pianohacker
21:44 wizzyrea start minors at 0, like we do now is what I'd do if it were me and I had decided to use that scheme.
21:44 pianohacker windows style versioning
21:44 wizzyrea it's not me. and we'll never decide.
21:44 wizzyrea ^.^
21:44 rangi rm just changes the number
21:44 rangi easiest way
21:44 wahanui rumour has it easiest way is probably to reload the MARC frameworks
21:45 rangi there is no need to have a vote on it
21:45 wizzyrea agreedf.
21:45 wizzyrea good lord what is wrong with my fingers today
21:45 rangi ultimately its about the least important thing
21:45 cait would date based be like for ubuntu?
21:46 wizzyrea it would be like ubuntu, and mahara
21:46 wizzyrea and probably heaps others.
21:46 cait hm sounds okto me
21:46 wizzyrea @later tell francesca I like the green on bugzilla it's cheerful :)
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21:48 mveron Good night / daytime #koha
21:48 misilot we should use semver :)
21:48 misilot
21:49 eythian misilot: what defines an API on a product that's primarily used by people?
21:50 eythian > Software using Semantic Versioning MUST declare a public API. This API could be declared in the code itself or exist strictly in documentation. However it is done, it should be precise and comprehensive.
21:50 eythian that would be ... difficult
21:50 misilot eythian: maybe. unfortunately i have to run to class
21:51 wizzyrea partly we haven't made any changes that feel monumental enough to change our major version
21:51 wizzyrea surely we've made lots of changes
21:51 wizzyrea elasticsearch would be a good one
21:51 cait i think theproblem with 4... is that someone else has used those
21:52 wizzyrea oh we're not going to use 4
21:52 wizzyrea 4 is right out.
21:52 wizzyrea better to skip to something outrageous like the year :)
21:52 cait yah
21:53 eythian though, I haven't seen anyone asking about a 4 for a while.
21:54 wizzyrea it is I think going the way of the dodo
21:54 eythian skipping it is still nicer, as it'll reduce the chance of people thinking that that is the latest version because of someone else playing silly buggers with numbers.
21:54 wizzyrea "in the game of things-that-are-not-koha survivor, real koha always outlasts."
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22:20 pianohacker the whole API discussion for semver seems much more tuned to libraries (.so's) than end-user software
22:21 eythian yeah
22:21 eythian that's my impression too
22:22 pianohacker and the sort of things that would make us bump a major are much more along the lines of features / new ways of doing things (elastic, pg support, etc.) than API changes
22:24 rangi i reckon date is the easiest
22:24 rangi and it makes the point
22:24 rangi you're running old shit
22:24 wizzyrea yeah
22:24 rangi which numbers don't seem to convey
22:24 * cait agrees and goes to sleep
22:24 wizzyrea that's what I like about it you can immediately say "that's 2 years old"
22:25 rangi yep
22:25 dcook true true
22:27 * dcook wondered about the not-Koha 4 thing
22:27 rangi its gone
22:28 rangi give it a year or 2 to fade, but its bloviation now
22:28 rangi to bloviate : talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
22:28 rangi fits well
22:28 wizzyrea keeke
22:31 eythian http://downforeveryoneorjustme[…]// <-- can't look up the actual name
22:31 cait huh
22:31 eythian oh, it's just really slow
22:31 rangi that site hasnt been updated in months, maybe years
22:31 cait i can't get to it
22:31 cait nor the other....
22:32 rangi its all over at the main site, which doesnt even list koha anymore
22:32 pianohacker still is up, and was recently renewed unfortunately :/
22:32 pianohacker was due to expire end of next month
22:32 rangi yep, they will keep it out of spite im sure
22:32 cait hm might be something with the hotel wifi
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22:32 rangi just no longer working on the software
22:33 eythian oh, it's probably on autorenew
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22:37 Francesca @wunder wlg
22:37 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (11:30 AM NZDT on November 03, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
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22:58 dcook Ah, so they re-named all their stuff
22:58 rangi yup
22:58 dcook Awesome
22:58 dcook Interesting that the URL says kohalibrary, of course
22:59 dcook I see what you mean about a few years though
22:59 eythian they still talk about koha on some of their sites
22:59 eythian it's not been a very complete renaming
23:00 dcook I imagine they might have to keep Koha as a name for a little while
23:00 rangi most of those dont seem to have been updated in months/years
23:00 rangi they have quotes from people who arent even their customers anymore
23:00 dcook I think there were some from last month
23:00 eythian yeah, they probably have forgotten about them
23:00 eythian they had a user's group a few days ago though
23:01 rangi if you look at the pdf on their main site, you'll see that they have moved are moving things to bloviation
23:01 eythian where they showed a preview of EDS integration :)
23:01 rangi (the list of clients using it)
23:01 eythian oh, the users group is coming up next week.
23:01 eythian someone should register to attend by teleconference :D
23:02 eythian oh, their CMS is called "knowvation." Now I see their theme.
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23:02 eythian that's also an awkward sounding name
23:11 Francesca hey eythian you're back!
23:11 eythian and better than ever.
23:11 Francesca how was wherever you were?
23:12 eythian Hobart and Sydney. They were pretty good.
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