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dcook |
Oh wow... I didn't know about "git log --follow filename" |
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dcook |
That's beautiful... |
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eythian |
how does it differ from not having --follow? |
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eythian |
oh, tracks renames |
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dcook |
Huh... my 3.20.3 is missing a table... I wonder if that was my doing.. |
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dcook |
Also wondering why about.pl says 3.20.03.000 but systempreferences says 3.2100030... |
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eythian |
Sirenia: good band |
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eythian |
magnuse: from the kohadevbox, "Note: do not "apt-get install vagrant" on Ubuntu or Wheezy" ... what about jessie? |
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eythian |
@later tell magnuse from the kohadevbox, "Note: do not "apt-get install vagrant" on Ubuntu or Wheezy" ... what about jessie? |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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jamesb |
does anyone know why the cover images from Google Books are only able to be displayed in the OPAC, not the staff interface? |
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jamesb |
anyone know if there is a reason the Google Books cover images aren't displayed in the staff interface? |
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dcook |
wth... |
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* cait |
waves |
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dcook |
heya cait |
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cait |
hi dcook :) |
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cait |
just commented on 10306 too |
| 05:43 |
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dcook |
bug 10306 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA) |
| 05:43 |
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dcook |
Ahh, cool :) |
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cait |
I'd like to keep it storing things in the db if possible... but i guess you'd have to prioritize one field over the others then - also thinking about the new indicators |
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cait |
i thik that shouuld be possible with galen's suggestion, but not sure |
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eythian |
hi cait, dcook |
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dcook |
yo eythian |
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cait |
morning |
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dcook |
Ahh I totally misread what Nicole wrote |
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cait |
you both should go home i guess |
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dcook |
Almost time for this guy |
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cait |
dcook: the keyword mappings allow mulitple... it's a bit of a messy thing right now |
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cait |
the usual :) |
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cait |
not to get started about publicationyear vs. copyrightdate (MARC21 vs. UNIMARC standard mappings) |
| 05:51 |
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dcook |
Yeah I think the keyword mappings is about showing rather than storing though |
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dcook |
Rather not fiddle with that too much.. |
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eythian |
cait: yeah, I'm planning slides for a talk |
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eythian |
well, at this stage I'm just planning the talk |
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eythian |
soon I'll be planning slides, but not today |
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cait |
what are you talking about? |
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eythian |
https://2015.osdc.com.au/sched[…]/presentation/39/ <-- this is me |
| 06:02 |
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eythian |
aw, and I'm on at the same time as a workshop I want to go to |
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eythian |
rats |
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dcook |
eythian: Which was that? |
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dcook |
The F-Droid one? |
| 06:04 |
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eythian |
yeah |
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dcook |
Yeah, it seems interesting |
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dcook |
I'm planning on coming to yours though ;) |
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eythian |
I also want to learn about ansible, so I'll go to that instead |
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dcook |
Hmm... they've added more to the schedule.. |
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eythian |
excellent :) |
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eythian |
OK, time for me to go |
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eythian |
later |
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dcook |
I like to think I'm knowledgeable about Ansible but that's not a bad idea either.. |
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dcook |
laters, eythian |
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dcook |
Hmm provocative description |
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dcook |
Time for this guy to head home too.. |
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dcook |
Damn... didn't quite finish what I wanted to finish today... |
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waves |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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reiveune |
hello |
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alex_a |
bonjour |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
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wahanui |
what's up, gaetan_B |
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Joubu |
Hello #koha |
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fridolin |
hie there |
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kivilahtio |
good morning |
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wahanui |
well, it's morning somewhere, yes |
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magnuse |
hiya kivilahtio |
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kivilahtio |
hi magnuse! How do you do? |
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magnuse |
doing good! and being busy... |
| 08:07 |
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magnuse |
and yourself? |
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kivilahtio |
good to hear |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: is everybody in Norway already migrating to Koha? |
| 08:08 |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: busy busy |
| 08:08 |
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magnuse |
nah, not all at once |
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magnuse |
not as fast as in finland, i think |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: I got three university students doing a summer job and trying to migrate the last libraries so we have the whole province under Koha |
| 08:08 |
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magnuse |
oh, i saw somewhere there is now a koha company in finland? owned by the municipalities? |
| 08:08 |
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magnuse |
woohoo! |
| 08:09 |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: not sure where you saw it... |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: but we are forming it |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: KohaSuomi Oy |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: but looks like that the whole Finland will be running Koha in a few years |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: well atleast half of it :) |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: the bigger hald :) |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: we are targeting next year to get all the municipalities to agree on an executive level and form the company |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: it is a BIG PROCESS to get the paper stamped in dozens of small municipalities |
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kivilahtio |
magnuse: but luckily we have some very capable and strong willed individuals who have the nations interest at heart |
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magnuse |
sounds awesome! |
| 08:17 |
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magnuse |
let me check where i read it... |
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* cait |
waves |
| 08:24 |
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magnuse |
kivilahtio: https://www.porvoo.fi/index.ph[…]Item&itemid=16952 |
| 08:24 |
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magnuse |
"För underhållet och utvecklingen av Koha ansvarar Koha-Suomi Oy som håller på att bildas." |
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magnuse |
Viktor++ for the conf in Tylösand! |
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cait |
Viktor++ |
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Viktor |
:) |
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Viktor |
And magnuse++ and cait++ for great presentations |
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magnuse |
rangi++ for blogging from kohacon15 |
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Francesca |
oh is that where he went |
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drojf |
hi #koha |
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Joubu |
rangi: nice beard :) |
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tcohen |
morning |
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magnuse |
¡hola tcohen! |
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tcohen |
magnuse: God kveld (?) |
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tcohen |
hi Joubu |
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Joubu |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
Joubu: I haven't managed to get a counter patch working for 15005 |
| 12:35 |
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Joubu |
khall: Hi! Have you seen my comment 40 on bug 7560? |
| 12:35 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7560 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Self Checkout Ignoring Fines Thresholds for Not Being able to Check Out Books |
| 12:36 |
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Joubu |
hi tcohen |
| 12:36 |
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khall |
Joubu: I only saw comment 39, I'll have to address comment 40 |
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Joubu |
tcohen: it's not so important, so workaround I have suggested should work |
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magnuse |
tcohen: nah not "kveld" yet, more like "ettermiddag" ;-) |
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drojf |
i feel like kveld |
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magnuse |
drojf: "god natt" then :-) |
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drojf |
heh. i wish :) |
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drojf |
later #koha |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14990: Format the date template-side for moremember <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6a956495c06d628ce> / Bug 14617: Add fields to ISBN and ISSN indexes: 020$z, 022$y, 022$z <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4dd9e20aebdbc7eb> / Bug 14926: Format the date according to the dateformat syspref <http://git.koha-commu |
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Joubu |
ping tcohen! |
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tcohen |
Joubu: hi |
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Joubu |
tcohen: bug 15028 will fix jenkins failures related to Letters.t |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15028 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Jenkins is unhappy |
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Joubu |
khall: the original status of bug 13409 was "in discussion", not NSO |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13409 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to purge old special holidays using cleanup_database.pl |
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Joubu |
see comment 3 |
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khall |
ah, I see! |
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Joubu |
@later tell rangi don't forget 14884 for the next 3.20 release please ;) |
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huginn |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
200 $date_due_in_time = $today->clone->set(hour => $today->hour + 1); |
| 14:53 |
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Joubu |
well... does not work if launched at > 23:00 :) |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14861: Accession date comparison does not work in advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]348038fbb290e722b> / Bug 15028: Make t/db_dependent/Letters.t set the numbering pattern it needs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b4ed652a3c7ad0ba> / Bug 11298: Don't force the renew time to 23:59 <http://git.koha |
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Joubu |
bye #koha |
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reiveune |
bye |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13636: DBRev 3.21.00.036 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1816b3c4e34f7a3fe> / Bug 10363: (follow-up) DB update - change in kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]755a9df3f4f683e40> / Bug 13636: Change wording added vs inserted <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]itdiff;h=8d4f39fb |
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nitz0 |
hi |
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* cait1 |
waves |
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cait1 |
internet here is terrible |
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cait1 |
i have problems uploading patches to 14100 - will finish that later |
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tcohen |
hey cait1 |
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* tcohen |
saw several uploaded |
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cait1 |
hey |
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cait1 |
already leaving again - dinner |
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cait1 |
yeah 2 still missing |
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cait1 |
but git bz keeps dying |
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* tcohen |
thinks cait just keeps hiding from us |
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cait1 |
i will try when back - just leave it like that for now |
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cait1 |
hm actually one missing |
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cait1 |
anyway - will finish later :) |
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cait1 |
nah |
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cait1 |
not true, i miss you all :) |
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cait1 |
bbl |
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ashimema |
was there a reason behind not using a cdn for jquery and bootstrap? |
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tcohen |
ashimema: I guess because we couldn't be sure of its availability, plus we use a baked bootstrap (i.e. it is not full bootstrap but something that can be generated, with less features) |
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tcohen |
ashimema: does that make sense to you? |
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pianohacker |
ashimema: also, we offered the option to either do local or hosted yui back in the day, but I don't think anyone ever made use of it |
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ashimema |
i suppose that makes sense.. |
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ashimema |
though as we still don't add cache headers it's a terrible waste of server resource |
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tcohen |
@later tell cait need your opinion on 14244 |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8417: Make the order receive date editable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]030700b38641d4b9a> / Bug 8236: DBRev 3.21.00.037 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]87b88c3a00fd9fd60> / Bug 8236: (QA followup) Tweak language, fix whitespace error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]itdiff;h=3aef0257 |
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tcohen |
@later tell Joubu fun! the plack test server randomly sends you to the installer :-D |
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huginn |
tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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jcamins |
ashimema: maybe High Security mode in IE? |
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jcamins |
Okay, not the real reason, but that's why I don't in my current projects. |
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magnuse |
tcohen: i have a public library in sweden testing koha in production, and they have also been sent to the webinstaller every now and then |
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tcohen |
magnuse: this is the reason http://snag.gy/VDSUK.jpg |
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magnuse |
ah, that was what my gut feeling suspected |
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magnuse |
will it be fixed by the patches that fix things in that area? |
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magnuse |
i seem to remember one or more bugs about loosing connection to the db |
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tcohen |
magnuse: hopefully |
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magnuse |
fingers crossed, then |
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tcohen |
no one has dared to look at Jonathan's patches, though |
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tcohen |
we now have at least a positive reproducible environment to test it... |
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magnuse |
yay |
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wizzyrea |
does someone have access to the plack test server who can reindex it |
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wizzyrea |
so people will stop thinking it's broken because it's got out of date indexes |
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IceCube |
Hello, I'm having some trouble with my koha installation and I was wondering if anyone is in this chatroom who can help - I'm a noob, though, be warned. Lots of experience in Windows but not much in linux or koha. Just got put on this task by the company and need some guidance. |
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IceCube |
anyone online? |
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IceCube |
can someone PM me maybe? |
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wizzyrea |
IceCube: what kind of problem are you having? |
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wizzyrea |
(it might pay to say my name if/when you answer - I'm not always looking at this window) |
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IceCube |
ahh hello wizzy |
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IceCube |
thanks for your reply |
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IceCube |
Well I [thought I] followed the instructions on upgrading from 3.08.03 to 3.08.24 but when I did now I'm getting an error when I open the site |
| 21:30 |
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IceCube |
Software error: Couldn't open /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/Expat.pm line 75. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 28. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. |
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wizzyrea |
hm, 3.8 is quite old |
| 21:31 |
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IceCube |
I had successfully upgraded to 3.03.03 a few days earlier and it worked fine |
| 21:31 |
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IceCube |
yeah well the company where I am working hadn't touched the server in a long time |
| 21:31 |
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wizzyrea |
fair enough :) |
| 21:32 |
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IceCube |
The physical box is having problems so we moved it to a VM and then they said they wanted the features of the newer releases so I got put on this task :) |
| 21:32 |
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wizzyrea |
so probably, you have a permission problem, Apache can't read the koha-conf file |
| 21:32 |
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IceCube |
Ok |
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IceCube |
And that would have happened during the upgrade? |
| 21:33 |
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wizzyrea |
shouldn't have, but moving things around might have done it |
| 21:33 |
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IceCube |
alright |
| 21:33 |
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wizzyrea |
3.8, it's probably not a package install right? |
| 21:34 |
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wizzyrea |
i.e. you did it with a tarball? |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
yep |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
unpacked the tarball |
| 21:34 |
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wizzyrea |
right |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
I had to install a bunch of dependencies |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
with cpan |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
and then make install |
| 21:34 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, that's a blast from the past :) |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
the make went fine |
| 21:34 |
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IceCube |
haha |
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IceCube |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
is this server itself modern? IE Debian Wheezy or greater, or ubuntu 14? |
| 21:36 |
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wizzyrea |
but yeah, anyway your issue there is that we can't read the config file |
| 21:37 |
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IceCube |
Debian 6.0 |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
so, Koha 3.20 won't run on debian 6 |
| 21:37 |
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IceCube |
well that's good to know |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
3.18 will |
| 21:37 |
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wizzyrea |
(you'll want to bring that up to modern debian anyway) |
| 21:37 |
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IceCube |
The idea here was to upgrade it and then migrate the databases to a new server running a modern version of Deb and the latest koha |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
hm, well |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
do that in the opposite order |
| 21:38 |
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IceCube |
the curent server is acting weird lol - it has problems with routing tables |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
I would |
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IceCube |
Ok I can do that |
| 21:38 |
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IceCube |
in the meantime what permissions do the apache files need |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
i.e. bring up the new server using packages |
| 21:38 |
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wizzyrea |
dump the db from the old server, import it on the new |
| 21:39 |
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wizzyrea |
run the updater |
| 21:39 |
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IceCube |
Do you suggest bringing up a new server with the version of koha I'm curently using, then updating to newer ones? Or can I migrate the databse into a new version? |
| 21:39 |
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wizzyrea |
you can migrate the database into a new version |
| 21:39 |
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IceCube |
Oh so I don't have to do each incremental upgrade? |
| 21:39 |
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wizzyrea |
shouldn't have to, no. The database updater handles that for you |
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IceCube |
There aren't going to be database structure changes that need to be made? |
| 21:39 |
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IceCube |
oh ok |
| 21:40 |
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wizzyrea |
there's one canonical file that has all of the schema updates in it |
| 21:40 |
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wizzyrea |
it runs whenever it detects that the db doesn't match the code |
| 21:40 |
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cdickinson |
that file must be fun to maintain... |
| 21:40 |
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IceCube |
Is there generally a prefernece of Debian or ubuntu or mint deb? |
| 21:40 |
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IceCube |
haha yeah I am sure it is, cdickinson! |
| 21:40 |
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wizzyrea |
cdickinson: you should look at installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
debian-alikes are all pretty much ok. Ubuntu 14 has a problem with the task scheduler but it has something to do with the kernel/apache version combination |
| 21:41 |
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IceCube |
ok good to know |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
koha on debian? |
| 21:41 |
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wahanui |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian |
| 21:41 |
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wizzyrea |
^ |
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IceCube |
Well any idea about this permission problem? What permissions does it need? |
| 21:42 |
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IceCube |
wahanui thanks I'll check that out |
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wahanui |
bitte IceCube |
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wizzyrea |
I'm not sure it's been ages since I've run a tarball |
| 21:42 |
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* IceCube |
slaps clrh around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 21:42 |
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IceCube |
haha wow I haven't seen that in ages |
| 21:43 |
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IceCube |
ok ... I guess I'll have to keep digging. I've searched google and got frustrated so I came here. |
| 21:44 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, sec I'm looking :) |
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IceCube |
ok thanks wizzy |
| 21:44 |
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IceCube |
I should send you a beer |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
that's alright |
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wizzyrea |
IceCube: does your config file actually live there? |
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wizzyrea |
in /etc/koha/sites/koha |
| 21:47 |
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IceCube |
yes there is a koha-conf.xml file there |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
what are the current permissions |
| 21:48 |
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IceCube |
There's also one in /etc/koha |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
on each of those |
| 21:48 |
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wizzyrea |
(Owner and r/w perms) |
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wizzyrea |
(it's been soooooo long since I"ve set up a tarball.) |
| 21:50 |
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IceCube |
looks like I have -rw-r---- 1 koha koha ..... koha-conf.xml |
| 21:53 |
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eythian |
hi |
| 21:53 |
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IceCube |
hello |
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wahanui |
what's up, IceCube |
| 21:57 |
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IceCube |
wizzy? |
| 21:57 |
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wahanui |
hmmm... wizzy is not hiding jcamins. |
| 21:58 |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ I'm doing work work too :) |
| 21:58 |
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IceCube |
Sorry! I figured you were just checking |
| 21:58 |
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wizzyrea |
hehe sok |
| 22:02 |
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wizzyrea |
the only other time I see this particular problem, it's for koha 3.4, and the solution was chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha - I'm not sure that will fix it, but if your permissions on /etc/koha are not that, it might be worth trying |
| 22:02 |
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wizzyrea |
you do have a koha user on this system, right? |
| 22:03 |
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wizzyrea |
obviously you do, because koha-conf is owned by it. |
| 22:03 |
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dcook |
Don't we cheat with this on Debian systems |
| 22:03 |
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dcook |
Wouldn't the Koha files need to be owned by the Apache user |
| 22:03 |
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dcook |
Something like wwwrun or www? |
| 22:03 |
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cdickinson |
www-data I think it is |
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cdickinson |
wait |
| 22:03 |
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dcook |
wwwrun on opensuse. Not sure about Debian. |
| 22:04 |
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* wizzyrea |
goes away and leaves this to smarter people |
| 22:04 |
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dcook |
Noooo |
| 22:04 |
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dcook |
Not smarter |
| 22:04 |
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cdickinson |
everything in my Apache config on my Koha instances is owned by root |
| 22:04 |
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IceCube |
yes there is a koha user |
| 22:04 |
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IceCube |
hmm I don't know how that works with apache |
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IceCube |
this is really pushing past the limits of my knowledge |
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wizzyrea |
this isn't packages though |
| 22:05 |
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wizzyrea |
it's a tarball. |
| 22:05 |
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dcook |
^ |
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IceCube |
ok I'll just make it all owned by root? |
| 22:05 |
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dcook |
I don't think that would work either |
| 22:06 |
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dcook |
We don't use packages. We build from source and do "single" layout installs that we make Apache own. |
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jcamins |
I cannot help you with this, but for the love of whatever you hold dear, do not change the owner to root. |
| 22:06 |
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IceCube |
ok I won't :) |
| 22:06 |
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cdickinson |
/etc/koha/sites/koha should be owned by koha:koha |
| 22:06 |
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cdickinson |
/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml should be owned by root:koha |
| 22:06 |
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IceCube |
yeah it is |
| 22:06 |
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dcook |
IceCube, you have the layout /etc/koha/sites/koha? |
| 22:06 |
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IceCube |
yes |
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* dcook |
thinks this sounds like a package install, no? |
| 22:07 |
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IceCube |
I untar'd the file fromthe archives on the koha community site. |
| 22:07 |
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dcook |
When building from source, I've never used the "standard" layout, but I don't know if that would use that structure.. |
| 22:07 |
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IceCube |
I was told by someone who works with this stuff that it needs to be incrementally upgraded |
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IceCube |
so that is what I was doing |
| 22:08 |
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IceCube |
I unpacked it and added dependencies and make install'd it |
| 22:08 |
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cdickinson |
oh |
| 22:08 |
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IceCube |
This is the third increment I've done and each of the prev 2 went fine, until this one. |
| 22:08 |
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IceCube |
If you need the error message again I can post it |
| 22:08 |
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dcook |
O_oo |
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IceCube |
wizzy told me that I don't need to do this incremental upgrade afterall o.O |
| 22:09 |
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wizzyrea |
it's my opinion that you don't, past 3.8 |
| 22:09 |
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cdickinson |
well, if you are using a brand new database, yeah, you don't |
| 22:09 |
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dcook |
IceCube: Can you run the command: dpkg -l | grep "koha-common" |
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wizzyrea |
or apt-cache policy koha-common |
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* cdickinson |
is confused |
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IceCube |
sure gimme a sec |
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jcamins |
IceCube: I have upgraded from 3.6 directly to 3.12 FWIW, and I am sure I could've upgraded to 3.20 if it existed at the time. |
| 22:09 |
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jcamins |
And I've upgraded from 3.12 to 3.18. |
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IceCube |
ok this is good to know |
| 22:09 |
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wizzyrea |
the longest one I did was 3.8 -> 3.20 |
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wizzyrea |
(just a couple of weeks ago) |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: that makes me sad. There were so many awesome features in 3.12 that they could've had for years. |
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wizzyrea |
*nod* |
| 22:10 |
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eythian |
In theory the entire 3.x series should be fairly seamless, with a bump at 3.4 |
| 22:10 |
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wizzyrea |
^^^ |
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jcamins |
eythian: 3.0->3.2 was a nightmare. |
| 22:10 |
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wizzyrea |
(but I've never done anything below 3.8, so I don't recommend it.) |
| 22:10 |
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wizzyrea |
(personally) |
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* jcamins |
did 3.0->3.2 once. |
| 22:10 |
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IceCube |
ii koha-common 3.5-1~git20110727142215.68f99cdf integrated (physical) library system |
| 22:10 |
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* jcamins |
shudders. |
| 22:11 |
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wizzyrea |
that, I bet was terrible. |
| 22:11 |
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dcook |
jcamins: 3.0->3.8 |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
how did you get 3.5 there? |
| 22:11 |
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jcamins |
dcook: ow? |
| 22:11 |
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wizzyrea |
O.o you have a special package? |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
that is so not right |
| 22:11 |
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IceCube |
hahaha you guys have much more experience than I do with this but I've done similar things on other systems - I know the feeling anyways |
| 22:11 |
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IceCube |
welll..... that's what it saith. |
| 22:11 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah, fair enough. |
| 22:11 |
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eythian |
commit 68f99cdf980222dcb557667925bd6024640cda2a |
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eythian |
Date: Tue Jul 26 14:22:53 2011 -0400 |
| 22:11 |
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wizzyrea |
ouch. |
| 22:11 |
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IceCube |
No idea |
| 22:12 |
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wizzyrea |
so it looks like someone installed an unstable package sometime around 3.6 |
| 22:12 |
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IceCube |
apt-cache gave me same result |
| 22:12 |
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IceCube |
sigh |
| 22:12 |
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IceCube |
of course |
| 22:12 |
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eythian |
so at some point someone added the unstable sources |
| 22:13 |
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eythian |
which doesn't seem to be the wisest idea, but that was over 4 years ago... |
| 22:13 |
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wizzyrea |
(also, he's debian 6, fyi) |
| 22:13 |
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IceCube |
yep deb 6 |
| 22:15 |
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eythian |
oh yeah |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
were you saying you're going to build a new server for it? |
| 22:16 |
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wizzyrea |
my feeling was "abandon ship and move the database" |
| 22:16 |
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eythian |
if so, I'd ignore your current one and at the last moment drop the database in |
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IceCube |
I can do that if that's the best option |
| 22:17 |
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IceCube |
I'll just make a new VM |
| 22:17 |
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wizzyrea |
worst case, it doesn't work and you try again, just make backups of backups of your data |
| 22:17 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 22:17 |
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eythian |
it's the best option |
| 22:17 |
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IceCube |
yeah I have a backup at least |
| 22:17 |
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IceCube |
just in case |
| 22:17 |
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IceCube |
I've learned |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
but yeah, I think you definitely don't need to do incrementals |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
koha on debian |
| 22:18 |
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wahanui |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
use that guide |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
(and no other, it is the canonical one) |
| 22:18 |
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IceCube |
ok so given what I have now should I just go ahead and install the latest version of koha on the new machine? |
| 22:18 |
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wizzyrea |
yep, using the above link |
| 22:18 |
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IceCube |
ok I'll follow the guide |
| 22:18 |
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IceCube |
and then the guide tells how to move the database over and upgrade it? |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
and then, pop back if you need help importing the database, it's pretty straight forward |
| 22:19 |
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eythian |
well, you set up a clean instance |
| 22:19 |
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eythian |
and then drop your database backup into the new database |
| 22:19 |
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eythian |
and when you log in, it'll do the schema upgrade for you. |
| 22:19 |
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IceCube |
ahh ok |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
basically cat koha-backup.sql | sudo koha-mysql instancename |
| 22:19 |
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eythian |
yeah, that's how I do it |
| 22:19 |
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wizzyrea |
then log in |
| 22:19 |
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IceCube |
Ok |
| 22:19 |
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IceCube |
this has been educational and helpful |
| 22:20 |
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IceCube |
thank you guys |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
(with the database user, the credentials for which will be in koha-conf.xml towards teh bottom) |
| 22:20 |
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IceCube |
ok |
| 22:20 |
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IceCube |
dl'ing new debian now |
| 22:20 |
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wizzyrea |
good luck :) |
| 22:20 |
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IceCube |
thanks all for the input |
| 22:21 |
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IceCube |
thanks wizzy |
| 22:21 |
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IceCube |
Hopefully it will go smoothly but ... you might see me back here in a bit! |
| 22:21 |
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dcook |
We'll be here all day |
| 22:21 |
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wizzyrea |
my feeling is that you'll be fine because packages do not suck. |
| 22:21 |
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dcook |
^ |
| 22:21 |
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IceCube |
hahahahaha |
| 22:21 |
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wahanui |
i think hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? |
| 22:22 |
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IceCube |
We like non sucking things |
| 22:22 |
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dcook |
I'm familiar enough with the Koha source where I can install from a tarball or git with ease, but it's certainly not the easiest thing for a newbie... |
| 22:22 |
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* dcook |
would never recommend it for someone starting out |
| 22:22 |
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IceCube |
yeah I'm new at this but not at tech support in general |
| 22:22 |
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IceCube |
so at least I have some advantage |
| 22:23 |
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IceCube |
Plus it's usually when stuff goes wrong that I learn the most so. |
| 22:24 |
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dcook |
Truuue that |
| 22:24 |
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wizzyrea |
it's been ages since I've done a tarball install. |
| 22:24 |
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wizzyrea |
aaaaages. |
| 22:24 |
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dcook |
If you run into indexing problems, this link will be your friend: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bleshooting_Zebra |
| 22:25 |
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wizzyrea |
lol shh you'll frighten him. |
| 22:25 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 22:25 |
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IceCube |
lol nooooo :) |
| 22:25 |
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dcook |
Everything I wrote on there I learned from stuff going wrong I think |
| 22:25 |
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dcook |
Hopefully so that others don't have to learn it in the fashion I did |
| 22:25 |
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wizzyrea |
https://38.media.tumblr.com/3a[…]1sgopr4o1_500.gif |
| 22:25 |
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dcook |
Although then you have to wonder... if they don't learn it through experience, do they understand it to the same degree... |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
lol |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
Yes, that. |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
It'll be fine! |
| 22:26 |
|
dcook |
What Zebra? |
| 22:26 |
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wahanui |
i think Zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
wahanui will never let you forget, dcook. |
| 22:26 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: i'm not following you... |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
wahanui: <3 |
| 22:26 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea: huh? |
| 22:26 |
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dcook |
hehe |
| 22:26 |
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eythian |
dcook: also, if you go back in time and give Beethoven a copy of his symphonies, who really wrote them? |
| 22:26 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian: ^.^ |
| 22:27 |
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dcook |
eythian: Exactly |
| 22:28 |
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dcook |
I wonder if we're damaging our credibility now... |
| 22:28 |
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dcook |
Trust us, IceCube. We totally know what we're talking about ;). |
| 22:28 |
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dcook |
Actually, since eythian is the package manager for Koha, you can especially trust him. |
| 22:28 |
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IceCube |
LOL it's all good. I'm enjoying it |
| 22:28 |
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IceCube |
are you, eythian? |
| 22:28 |
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eythian |
yeah |
| 22:28 |
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IceCube |
wow it's great you can be on here to help |
| 22:29 |
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wizzyrea |
also he's very clever and knows heaps of stuff. |
| 22:29 |
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eythian |
IceCube: it's my work day, what else is there to do but be on IRC? ;) |
| 22:29 |
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cdickinson |
beer |
| 22:29 |
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eythian |
well, it's after noon somewhere... |
| 22:29 |
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IceCube |
it is here |
| 22:29 |
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cdickinson |
it is still but morning here for us NZers |
| 22:30 |
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dcook |
wizzyrea: https://youtu.be/inzkJ34VMfk?t=25 |
| 22:30 |
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dcook |
Not that I'm implying that eythian would break |
| 22:30 |
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wizzyrea |
beer is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/5e3K3bC.jpg |
| 22:30 |
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dcook |
Maybe if you tapped him against a counter... |
| 22:31 |
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* dcook |
peaces out for his forced Windows updates... |
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| 22:32 |
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dcook |
One more thing... |
| 22:32 |
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dcook |
I think Debian Apache stuff works the way it works because of the AssignUserID directive in the package's Apache files... |
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dcook |
Sorry, that was incoherent |
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wizzyrea |
but the packages deal with it so DON"T WORRY |
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dcook |
hehe |
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dcook |
True |
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dcook |
Just for everyone else's sake :p |
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wizzyrea |
(yes, that is how it works.) |
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* dcook |
actually peaces out now |
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wizzyrea |
but thinking about it, I think IceCube's problem is probably that he is looking at a 3.6 master package config file with a 3.8 codebase. |
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wizzyrea |
from a tarball. |
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IceCube |
What do you mean |
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wizzyrea |
it means go ahead with your new VM plan :) |
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IceCube |
setting it up now |
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* eythian |
uploads new master packages |
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looks up, spots doctor who reference, dies |
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Francesca |
@wunder wlg |
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huginn |
Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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IceCube |
ok I'm back... |
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IceCube |
I was following the guide and I got to apt-get install koha-common |
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IceCube |
I have this error: "Depends: (and then a whole list of dependencies) and then Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
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IceCube |
oh I might have figured that out |
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