Time Nick Message 01:04 dcook Oh wow... I didn't know about "git log --follow filename" 01:04 dcook That's beautiful... 01:11 eythian how does it differ from not having --follow? 01:11 eythian oh, tracks renames 01:59 dcook Huh... my 3.20.3 is missing a table... I wonder if that was my doing.. 01:59 dcook Also wondering why about.pl says 3.20.03.000 but systempreferences says 3.2100030... 02:15 eythian Sirenia: good band 02:20 eythian magnuse: from the kohadevbox, "Note: do not "apt-get install vagrant" on Ubuntu or Wheezy" ... what about jessie? 02:21 eythian @later tell magnuse from the kohadevbox, "Note: do not "apt-get install vagrant" on Ubuntu or Wheezy" ... what about jessie? 02:21 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 02:26 jamesb does anyone know why the cover images from Google Books are only able to be displayed in the OPAC, not the staff interface? 03:15 jamesb anyone know if there is a reason the Google Books cover images aren't displayed in the staff interface? 05:40 dcook wth... 05:40 * cait waves 05:40 dcook heya cait 05:40 cait hi dcook :) 05:41 cait just commented on 10306 too 05:43 dcook bug 10306 05:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA) 05:43 dcook Ahh, cool :) 05:44 cait I'd like to keep it storing things in the db if possible... but i guess you'd have to prioritize one field over the others then - also thinking about the new indicators 05:44 cait i thik that shouuld be possible with galen's suggestion, but not sure 05:44 eythian hi cait, dcook 05:45 dcook yo eythian 05:46 cait morning 05:46 dcook Ahh I totally misread what Nicole wrote 05:46 cait you both should go home i guess 05:46 dcook Almost time for this guy 05:50 cait dcook: the keyword mappings allow mulitple... it's a bit of a messy thing right now 05:50 cait the usual :) 05:51 cait not to get started about publicationyear vs. copyrightdate (MARC21 vs. UNIMARC standard mappings) 05:51 dcook Yeah I think the keyword mappings is about showing rather than storing though 05:51 dcook Rather not fiddle with that too much.. 05:59 eythian cait: yeah, I'm planning slides for a talk 05:59 eythian well, at this stage I'm just planning the talk 05:59 eythian soon I'll be planning slides, but not today 06:01 cait what are you talking about? 06:02 eythian https://2015.osdc.com.au/schedule/presentation/39/ <-- this is me 06:02 eythian aw, and I'm on at the same time as a workshop I want to go to 06:02 eythian rats 06:04 dcook eythian: Which was that? 06:04 dcook The F-Droid one? 06:04 eythian yeah 06:04 dcook Yeah, it seems interesting 06:05 dcook I'm planning on coming to yours though ;) 06:05 eythian I also want to learn about ansible, so I'll go to that instead 06:05 dcook Hmm... they've added more to the schedule.. 06:05 eythian excellent :) 06:05 eythian OK, time for me to go 06:05 eythian later 06:05 dcook I like to think I'm knowledgeable about Ansible but that's not a bad idea either.. 06:05 dcook laters, eythian 06:06 dcook Hmm provocative description 06:06 dcook Time for this guy to head home too.. 06:07 dcook Damn... didn't quite finish what I wanted to finish today... 06:24 * magnuse waves 06:36 marcelr hi #koha 06:47 reiveune hello 07:00 alex_a bonjour 07:05 gaetan_B hello 07:05 wahanui what's up, gaetan_B 07:06 Joubu Hello #koha 07:11 fridolin hie there 07:43 kivilahtio good morning 07:43 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes 08:07 magnuse hiya kivilahtio 08:07 kivilahtio hi magnuse! How do you do? 08:07 magnuse doing good! and being busy... 08:07 magnuse and yourself? 08:07 kivilahtio good to hear 08:07 kivilahtio magnuse: is everybody in Norway already migrating to Koha? 08:08 kivilahtio magnuse: busy busy 08:08 magnuse nah, not all at once 08:08 magnuse not as fast as in finland, i think 08:08 kivilahtio magnuse: I got three university students doing a summer job and trying to migrate the last libraries so we have the whole province under Koha 08:08 magnuse oh, i saw somewhere there is now a koha company in finland? owned by the municipalities? 08:08 magnuse woohoo! 08:09 kivilahtio magnuse: not sure where you saw it... 08:09 kivilahtio magnuse: but we are forming it 08:09 kivilahtio magnuse: KohaSuomi Oy 08:09 kivilahtio magnuse: but looks like that the whole Finland will be running Koha in a few years 08:09 kivilahtio magnuse: well atleast half of it :) 08:10 kivilahtio magnuse: the bigger hald :) 08:10 kivilahtio magnuse: we are targeting next year to get all the municipalities to agree on an executive level and form the company 08:11 kivilahtio magnuse: it is a BIG PROCESS to get the paper stamped in dozens of small municipalities 08:14 kivilahtio magnuse: but luckily we have some very capable and strong willed individuals who have the nations interest at heart 08:16 magnuse sounds awesome! 08:17 magnuse let me check where i read it... 08:18 * cait waves 08:24 magnuse kivilahtio: https://www.porvoo.fi/index.php?mid=592&a=viewItem&itemid=16952 08:24 magnuse "För underhållet och utvecklingen av Koha ansvarar Koha-Suomi Oy som håller på att bildas." 08:30 magnuse Viktor++ for the conf in Tylösand! 08:30 cait Viktor++ 08:31 Viktor :) 08:31 Viktor And magnuse++ and cait++ for great presentations 09:05 magnuse rangi++ for blogging from kohacon15 09:14 Francesca oh is that where he went 09:44 drojf hi #koha 10:09 Joubu rangi: nice beard :) 12:27 tcohen morning 12:28 magnuse ¡hola tcohen! 12:30 tcohen magnuse: God kveld (?) 12:31 tcohen hi Joubu 12:33 Joubu hi tcohen 12:34 tcohen Joubu: I haven't managed to get a counter patch working for 15005 12:35 Joubu khall: Hi! Have you seen my comment 40 on bug 7560? 12:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7560 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Self Checkout Ignoring Fines Thresholds for Not Being able to Check Out Books 12:36 Joubu hi tcohen 12:36 khall Joubu: I only saw comment 39, I'll have to address comment 40 12:36 Joubu tcohen: it's not so important, so workaround I have suggested should work 12:50 magnuse tcohen: nah not "kveld" yet, more like "ettermiddag" ;-) 13:12 drojf i feel like kveld 13:13 magnuse drojf: "god natt" then :-) 13:14 drojf heh. i wish :) 13:15 drojf later #koha 13:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14990: Format the date template-side for moremember <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6506ddd1e859c3afbb9519d6a956495c06d628ce> / Bug 14617: Add fields to ISBN and ISSN indexes: 020$z, 022$y, 022$z <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cab481dbb29fa4b72c0e52dd4dd9e20aebdbc7eb> / Bug 14926: Format the date according to the dateformat syspref <http://git.koha-commu 13:38 Joubu ping tcohen! 13:45 tcohen Joubu: hi 13:46 Joubu tcohen: bug 15028 will fix jenkins failures related to Letters.t 13:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15028 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Jenkins is unhappy 13:57 Joubu khall: the original status of bug 13409 was "in discussion", not NSO 13:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13409 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to purge old special holidays using cleanup_database.pl 13:57 Joubu see comment 3 13:59 khall ah, I see! 14:27 Joubu @later tell rangi don't forget 14884 for the next 3.20 release please ;) 14:27 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 14:53 Joubu 200 $date_due_in_time = $today->clone->set(hour => $today->hour + 1); 14:53 Joubu well... does not work if launched at > 23:00 :) 15:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14861: Accession date comparison does not work in advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a9b8d9359424a3f0316f89348038fbb290e722b> / Bug 15028: Make t/db_dependent/Letters.t set the numbering pattern it needs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87312888abfeeffcc452df38b4ed652a3c7ad0ba> / Bug 11298: Don't force the renew time to 23:59 <http://git.koha 15:47 Joubu bye #koha 15:53 reiveune bye 16:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13636: DBRev 3.21.00.036 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8c51bff2421528d8d01a011816b3c4e34f7a3fe> / Bug 10363: (follow-up) DB update - change in kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=66a3c1057b1f3a29d37132d755a9df3f4f683e40> / Bug 13636: Change wording added vs inserted <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d4f39fb 16:28 nitz0 hi 16:49 * cait1 waves 17:01 cait1 internet here is terrible 17:01 cait1 i have problems uploading patches to 14100 - will finish that later 17:02 tcohen hey cait1 17:02 * tcohen saw several uploaded 17:02 cait1 hey 17:02 cait1 already leaving again - dinner 17:03 cait1 yeah 2 still missing 17:03 cait1 but git bz keeps dying 17:03 * tcohen thinks cait just keeps hiding from us 17:04 cait1 i will try when back - just leave it like that for now 17:04 cait1 hm actually one missing 17:04 cait1 anyway - will finish later :) 17:04 cait1 nah 17:04 cait1 not true, i miss you all :) 17:04 cait1 bbl 17:05 ashimema was there a reason behind not using a cdn for jquery and bootstrap? 17:06 tcohen ashimema: I guess because we couldn't be sure of its availability, plus we use a baked bootstrap (i.e. it is not full bootstrap but something that can be generated, with less features) 17:08 tcohen ashimema: does that make sense to you? 17:09 pianohacker ashimema: also, we offered the option to either do local or hosted yui back in the day, but I don't think anyone ever made use of it 17:34 ashimema i suppose that makes sense.. 17:35 ashimema though as we still don't add cache headers it's a terrible waste of server resource 17:42 tcohen @later tell cait need your opinion on 14244 17:42 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:01 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8417: Make the order receive date editable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=57999441a85369b312ae41a030700b38641d4b9a> / Bug 8236: DBRev 3.21.00.037 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6064063f7eaf70263b5f8b87b88c3a00fd9fd60> / Bug 8236: (QA followup) Tweak language, fix whitespace error <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3aef0257 18:17 tcohen @later tell Joubu fun! the plack test server randomly sends you to the installer :-D 18:17 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded. 18:36 jcamins ashimema: maybe High Security mode in IE? 18:36 jcamins Okay, not the real reason, but that's why I don't in my current projects. 18:40 magnuse tcohen: i have a public library in sweden testing koha in production, and they have also been sent to the webinstaller every now and then 18:43 tcohen magnuse: this is the reason http://snag.gy/VDSUK.jpg 18:48 magnuse ah, that was what my gut feeling suspected 18:48 magnuse will it be fixed by the patches that fix things in that area? 18:48 magnuse i seem to remember one or more bugs about loosing connection to the db 18:48 tcohen magnuse: hopefully 18:49 magnuse fingers crossed, then 18:49 tcohen no one has dared to look at Jonathan's patches, though 18:49 tcohen we now have at least a positive reproducible environment to test it... 18:50 magnuse yay 21:01 wizzyrea does someone have access to the plack test server who can reindex it 21:01 wizzyrea so people will stop thinking it's broken because it's got out of date indexes 21:19 IceCube Hello, I'm having some trouble with my koha installation and I was wondering if anyone is in this chatroom who can help - I'm a noob, though, be warned. Lots of experience in Windows but not much in linux or koha. Just got put on this task by the company and need some guidance. 21:21 IceCube anyone online? 21:21 IceCube can someone PM me maybe? 21:27 wizzyrea IceCube: what kind of problem are you having? 21:28 wizzyrea (it might pay to say my name if/when you answer - I'm not always looking at this window) 21:29 IceCube ahh hello wizzy 21:29 IceCube thanks for your reply 21:30 IceCube Well I [thought I] followed the instructions on upgrading from 3.08.03 to 3.08.24 but when I did now I'm getting an error when I open the site 21:30 IceCube Software error: Couldn't open /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/Expat.pm line 75. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 28. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. 21:31 wizzyrea hm, 3.8 is quite old 21:31 IceCube I had successfully upgraded to 3.03.03 a few days earlier and it worked fine 21:31 IceCube yeah well the company where I am working hadn't touched the server in a long time 21:31 wizzyrea fair enough :) 21:32 IceCube The physical box is having problems so we moved it to a VM and then they said they wanted the features of the newer releases so I got put on this task :) 21:32 wizzyrea so probably, you have a permission problem, Apache can't read the koha-conf file 21:32 IceCube Ok 21:32 IceCube And that would have happened during the upgrade? 21:33 wizzyrea shouldn't have, but moving things around might have done it 21:33 IceCube alright 21:33 wizzyrea 3.8, it's probably not a package install right? 21:34 wizzyrea i.e. you did it with a tarball? 21:34 IceCube yep 21:34 IceCube unpacked the tarball 21:34 wizzyrea right 21:34 IceCube I had to install a bunch of dependencies 21:34 IceCube with cpan 21:34 IceCube and then make install 21:34 wizzyrea yep, that's a blast from the past :) 21:34 IceCube the make went fine 21:34 IceCube haha 21:34 IceCube :) 21:35 wizzyrea is this server itself modern? IE Debian Wheezy or greater, or ubuntu 14? 21:36 wizzyrea but yeah, anyway your issue there is that we can't read the config file 21:37 IceCube Debian 6.0 21:37 wizzyrea so, Koha 3.20 won't run on debian 6 21:37 IceCube well that's good to know 21:37 wizzyrea 3.18 will 21:37 wizzyrea (you'll want to bring that up to modern debian anyway) 21:37 IceCube The idea here was to upgrade it and then migrate the databases to a new server running a modern version of Deb and the latest koha 21:38 wizzyrea hm, well 21:38 wizzyrea do that in the opposite order 21:38 IceCube the curent server is acting weird lol - it has problems with routing tables 21:38 wizzyrea I would 21:38 IceCube Ok I can do that 21:38 IceCube in the meantime what permissions do the apache files need 21:38 wizzyrea i.e. bring up the new server using packages 21:38 wizzyrea dump the db from the old server, import it on the new 21:39 wizzyrea run the updater 21:39 IceCube Do you suggest bringing up a new server with the version of koha I'm curently using, then updating to newer ones? Or can I migrate the databse into a new version? 21:39 wizzyrea you can migrate the database into a new version 21:39 IceCube Oh so I don't have to do each incremental upgrade? 21:39 wizzyrea shouldn't have to, no. The database updater handles that for you 21:39 IceCube There aren't going to be database structure changes that need to be made? 21:39 IceCube oh ok 21:40 wizzyrea there's one canonical file that has all of the schema updates in it 21:40 wizzyrea it runs whenever it detects that the db doesn't match the code 21:40 cdickinson that file must be fun to maintain... 21:40 IceCube Is there generally a prefernece of Debian or ubuntu or mint deb? 21:40 IceCube haha yeah I am sure it is, cdickinson! 21:40 wizzyrea cdickinson: you should look at installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase 21:41 wizzyrea debian-alikes are all pretty much ok. Ubuntu 14 has a problem with the task scheduler but it has something to do with the kernel/apache version combination 21:41 IceCube ok good to know 21:41 wizzyrea koha on debian? 21:41 wahanui http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 21:41 wizzyrea ^ 21:41 IceCube Well any idea about this permission problem? What permissions does it need? 21:42 IceCube wahanui thanks I'll check that out 21:42 wahanui bitte IceCube 21:42 wizzyrea I'm not sure it's been ages since I've run a tarball 21:42 * IceCube slaps clrh around a bit with a large fishbot 21:42 IceCube haha wow I haven't seen that in ages 21:43 IceCube ok ... I guess I'll have to keep digging. I've searched google and got frustrated so I came here. 21:44 wizzyrea yeah, sec I'm looking :) 21:44 IceCube ok thanks wizzy 21:44 IceCube I should send you a beer 21:44 wizzyrea :) 21:44 wizzyrea that's alright 21:46 wizzyrea IceCube: does your config file actually live there? 21:46 wizzyrea in /etc/koha/sites/koha 21:47 IceCube yes there is a koha-conf.xml file there 21:48 wizzyrea what are the current permissions 21:48 IceCube There's also one in /etc/koha 21:48 wizzyrea on each of those 21:48 wizzyrea (Owner and r/w perms) 21:49 wizzyrea (it's been soooooo long since I"ve set up a tarball.) 21:50 IceCube looks like I have -rw-r---- 1 koha koha ..... koha-conf.xml 21:53 eythian hi 21:53 IceCube hello 21:53 wahanui what's up, IceCube 21:57 IceCube wizzy? 21:57 wahanui hmmm... wizzy is not hiding jcamins. 21:58 wizzyrea ^.^ I'm doing work work too :) 21:58 IceCube Sorry! I figured you were just checking 21:58 wizzyrea hehe sok 22:02 wizzyrea the only other time I see this particular problem, it's for koha 3.4, and the solution was chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha - I'm not sure that will fix it, but if your permissions on /etc/koha are not that, it might be worth trying 22:02 wizzyrea you do have a koha user on this system, right? 22:03 wizzyrea obviously you do, because koha-conf is owned by it. 22:03 dcook Don't we cheat with this on Debian systems 22:03 dcook Wouldn't the Koha files need to be owned by the Apache user 22:03 dcook Something like wwwrun or www? 22:03 cdickinson www-data I think it is 22:03 cdickinson wait 22:03 dcook wwwrun on opensuse. Not sure about Debian. 22:04 * wizzyrea goes away and leaves this to smarter people 22:04 dcook Noooo 22:04 dcook Not smarter 22:04 cdickinson everything in my Apache config on my Koha instances is owned by root 22:04 IceCube yes there is a koha user 22:04 IceCube hmm I don't know how that works with apache 22:05 IceCube this is really pushing past the limits of my knowledge 22:05 wizzyrea this isn't packages though 22:05 wizzyrea it's a tarball. 22:05 dcook ^ 22:05 IceCube ok I'll just make it all owned by root? 22:05 dcook I don't think that would work either 22:06 dcook We don't use packages. We build from source and do "single" layout installs that we make Apache own. 22:06 jcamins I cannot help you with this, but for the love of whatever you hold dear, do not change the owner to root. 22:06 IceCube ok I won't :) 22:06 cdickinson /etc/koha/sites/koha should be owned by koha:koha 22:06 cdickinson /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml should be owned by root:koha 22:06 IceCube yeah it is 22:06 dcook IceCube, you have the layout /etc/koha/sites/koha? 22:06 IceCube yes 22:07 * dcook thinks this sounds like a package install, no? 22:07 IceCube I untar'd the file fromthe archives on the koha community site. 22:07 dcook When building from source, I've never used the "standard" layout, but I don't know if that would use that structure.. 22:07 IceCube I was told by someone who works with this stuff that it needs to be incrementally upgraded 22:07 IceCube so that is what I was doing 22:08 IceCube I unpacked it and added dependencies and make install'd it 22:08 cdickinson oh 22:08 IceCube This is the third increment I've done and each of the prev 2 went fine, until this one. 22:08 IceCube If you need the error message again I can post it 22:08 dcook O_oo 22:08 IceCube wizzy told me that I don't need to do this incremental upgrade afterall o.O 22:09 wizzyrea it's my opinion that you don't, past 3.8 22:09 cdickinson well, if you are using a brand new database, yeah, you don't 22:09 dcook IceCube: Can you run the command: dpkg -l | grep "koha-common" 22:09 wizzyrea or apt-cache policy koha-common 22:09 * cdickinson is confused 22:09 IceCube sure gimme a sec 22:09 jcamins IceCube: I have upgraded from 3.6 directly to 3.12 FWIW, and I am sure I could've upgraded to 3.20 if it existed at the time. 22:09 jcamins And I've upgraded from 3.12 to 3.18. 22:09 IceCube ok this is good to know 22:09 wizzyrea the longest one I did was 3.8 -> 3.20 22:09 wizzyrea (just a couple of weeks ago) 22:10 jcamins wizzyrea: that makes me sad. There were so many awesome features in 3.12 that they could've had for years. 22:10 wizzyrea *nod* 22:10 eythian In theory the entire 3.x series should be fairly seamless, with a bump at 3.4 22:10 wizzyrea ^^^ 22:10 jcamins eythian: 3.0->3.2 was a nightmare. 22:10 wizzyrea (but I've never done anything below 3.8, so I don't recommend it.) 22:10 wizzyrea (personally) 22:10 * jcamins did 3.0->3.2 once. 22:10 IceCube ii koha-common 3.5-1~git20110727142215.68f99cdf integrated (physical) library system 22:10 * jcamins shudders. 22:11 wizzyrea that, I bet was terrible. 22:11 dcook jcamins: 3.0->3.8 22:11 eythian how did you get 3.5 there? 22:11 jcamins dcook: ow? 22:11 wizzyrea O.o you have a special package? 22:11 eythian that is so not right 22:11 IceCube hahaha you guys have much more experience than I do with this but I've done similar things on other systems - I know the feeling anyways 22:11 IceCube welll..... that's what it saith. 22:11 wizzyrea yeah, fair enough. 22:11 eythian commit 68f99cdf980222dcb557667925bd6024640cda2a 22:11 eythian Date: Tue Jul 26 14:22:53 2011 -0400 22:11 wizzyrea ouch. 22:11 IceCube No idea 22:12 wizzyrea so it looks like someone installed an unstable package sometime around 3.6 22:12 IceCube apt-cache gave me same result 22:12 IceCube sigh 22:12 IceCube of course 22:12 eythian so at some point someone added the unstable sources 22:13 eythian which doesn't seem to be the wisest idea, but that was over 4 years ago... 22:13 wizzyrea (also, he's debian 6, fyi) 22:13 IceCube yep deb 6 22:15 eythian oh yeah 22:16 eythian were you saying you're going to build a new server for it? 22:16 wizzyrea my feeling was "abandon ship and move the database" 22:16 eythian if so, I'd ignore your current one and at the last moment drop the database in 22:17 IceCube I can do that if that's the best option 22:17 IceCube I'll just make a new VM 22:17 wizzyrea worst case, it doesn't work and you try again, just make backups of backups of your data 22:17 eythian yeah 22:17 eythian it's the best option 22:17 IceCube yeah I have a backup at least 22:17 IceCube just in case 22:17 IceCube I've learned 22:18 wizzyrea but yeah, I think you definitely don't need to do incrementals 22:18 wizzyrea koha on debian 22:18 wahanui http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 22:18 wizzyrea use that guide 22:18 wizzyrea (and no other, it is the canonical one) 22:18 IceCube ok so given what I have now should I just go ahead and install the latest version of koha on the new machine? 22:18 wizzyrea yep, using the above link 22:18 IceCube ok I'll follow the guide 22:18 IceCube and then the guide tells how to move the database over and upgrade it? 22:19 wizzyrea and then, pop back if you need help importing the database, it's pretty straight forward 22:19 eythian well, you set up a clean instance 22:19 eythian and then drop your database backup into the new database 22:19 eythian and when you log in, it'll do the schema upgrade for you. 22:19 IceCube ahh ok 22:19 wizzyrea basically cat koha-backup.sql | sudo koha-mysql instancename 22:19 eythian yeah, that's how I do it 22:19 wizzyrea then log in 22:19 IceCube Ok 22:19 IceCube this has been educational and helpful 22:20 IceCube thank you guys 22:20 wizzyrea (with the database user, the credentials for which will be in koha-conf.xml towards teh bottom) 22:20 IceCube ok 22:20 IceCube dl'ing new debian now 22:20 wizzyrea good luck :) 22:20 IceCube thanks all for the input 22:21 IceCube thanks wizzy 22:21 IceCube Hopefully it will go smoothly but ... you might see me back here in a bit! 22:21 dcook We'll be here all day 22:21 wizzyrea my feeling is that you'll be fine because packages do not suck. 22:21 dcook ^ 22:21 IceCube hahahahaha 22:21 wahanui i think hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? 22:22 IceCube We like non sucking things 22:22 dcook I'm familiar enough with the Koha source where I can install from a tarball or git with ease, but it's certainly not the easiest thing for a newbie... 22:22 * dcook would never recommend it for someone starting out 22:22 IceCube yeah I'm new at this but not at tech support in general 22:22 IceCube so at least I have some advantage 22:23 IceCube Plus it's usually when stuff goes wrong that I learn the most so. 22:24 dcook Truuue that 22:24 wizzyrea it's been ages since I've done a tarball install. 22:24 wizzyrea aaaaages. 22:24 dcook If you run into indexing problems, this link will be your friend: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra 22:25 wizzyrea lol shh you'll frighten him. 22:25 dcook hehe 22:25 IceCube lol nooooo :) 22:25 dcook Everything I wrote on there I learned from stuff going wrong I think 22:25 dcook Hopefully so that others don't have to learn it in the fashion I did 22:25 wizzyrea https://38.media.tumblr.com/3a939f3621e8de8a2e0d5f9941658f83/tumblr_mzyyvgQmFG1sgopr4o1_500.gif 22:25 dcook Although then you have to wonder... if they don't learn it through experience, do they understand it to the same degree... 22:26 dcook lol 22:26 dcook Yes, that. 22:26 dcook It'll be fine! 22:26 dcook What Zebra? 22:26 wahanui i think Zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses 22:26 wizzyrea wahanui will never let you forget, dcook. 22:26 wahanui wizzyrea: i'm not following you... 22:26 wizzyrea wahanui: <3 22:26 wahanui wizzyrea: huh? 22:26 dcook hehe 22:26 eythian dcook: also, if you go back in time and give Beethoven a copy of his symphonies, who really wrote them? 22:26 wizzyrea eythian: ^.^ 22:27 dcook eythian: Exactly 22:28 dcook I wonder if we're damaging our credibility now... 22:28 dcook Trust us, IceCube. We totally know what we're talking about ;). 22:28 dcook Actually, since eythian is the package manager for Koha, you can especially trust him. 22:28 IceCube LOL it's all good. I'm enjoying it 22:28 IceCube are you, eythian? 22:28 eythian yeah 22:28 IceCube wow it's great you can be on here to help 22:29 wizzyrea also he's very clever and knows heaps of stuff. 22:29 eythian IceCube: it's my work day, what else is there to do but be on IRC? ;) 22:29 cdickinson beer 22:29 eythian well, it's after noon somewhere... 22:29 IceCube it is here 22:29 cdickinson it is still but morning here for us NZers 22:30 dcook wizzyrea: https://youtu.be/inzkJ34VMfk?t=25 22:30 dcook Not that I'm implying that eythian would break 22:30 wizzyrea beer is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/5e3K3bC.jpg 22:30 dcook Maybe if you tapped him against a counter... 22:31 * dcook peaces out for his forced Windows updates... 22:32 dcook One more thing... 22:32 dcook I think Debian Apache stuff works the way it works because of the AssignUserID directive in the package's Apache files... 22:32 dcook Sorry, that was incoherent 22:32 wizzyrea but the packages deal with it so DON"T WORRY 22:32 dcook hehe 22:32 dcook True 22:32 dcook Just for everyone else's sake :p 22:32 wizzyrea (yes, that is how it works.) 22:33 * dcook actually peaces out now 22:33 wizzyrea but thinking about it, I think IceCube's problem is probably that he is looking at a 3.6 master package config file with a 3.8 codebase. 22:34 wizzyrea from a tarball. 22:35 IceCube What do you mean 22:35 wizzyrea it means go ahead with your new VM plan :) 22:36 IceCube setting it up now 22:43 * eythian uploads new master packages 23:16 * Francesca looks up, spots doctor who reference, dies 23:17 Francesca @wunder wlg 23:17 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 23:46 IceCube ok I'm back... 23:46 IceCube I was following the guide and I got to apt-get install koha-common 23:47 IceCube I have this error: "Depends: (and then a whole list of dependencies) and then Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. 23:48 IceCube oh I might have figured that out