IRC log for #koha, 2015-10-16

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00:00 wizzyrea I can't stop laughing. I should have warned you that I'm 12 inside.
00:32 cdickinson @wunder nzwn
00:32 huginn cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (1:00 PM NZDT on October 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
00:38 wizzyrea it's awesome outside
00:40 Francesca nice and sunny
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06:26 marcelr hi #koha
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06:41 dojobo 'morning
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06:50 reiveune hello
06:50 wahanui what's up, reiveune
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07:00 alex_a hello
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07:04 Joubu hello
07:04 wahanui hello, Joubu
07:04 marcelr hi Joubu: I am looking at 14544 now
07:05 Joubu thanks! :)
07:05 marcelr thinking of leaving the latest patch btw
07:05 Joubu As you said it could be done later, on a separate patch with a discussion
07:06 marcelr yes
07:06 Joubu personally I don't know how this "read only" feature can be used
07:06 marcelr i will never win that discussion LOL
07:06 Joubu how much!
07:06 Joubu you almost convinced me :)
07:07 marcelr that is good
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07:18 Francesca @wunder wlg
07:18 huginn Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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07:35 cait hi Francesca  :)
07:35 Francesca sup
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08:20 huginn magnuse: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
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08:21 huginn magnuse: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
08:21 magnuse @wunder halmstad
08:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Vilsharad, Halmstad, Sweden is 8.6°C (10:20 AM CEST on October 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:39 magnuse cait is saying people here on #koha are nice and friendly :-)
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08:50 Joubu (and some are grumpy)
08:53 Francesca I'm nice ! (at least I hope so)
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09:16 putti We should have an uniform way of doing tests, right? Who's volunteering to decide which way it should be?
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09:18 * cait_ waves
09:19 Francesca night all
09:19 wahanui goodnight Francesca. You'll be back.
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09:20 putti cait_, hi! Do you volunteer in choosing the testing way we should use in Koha?
09:24 putti Maybe we could do some outlines to wiki page about how the testing should be done in Koha. Also maybe we could have more specific coding guidelines?
09:26 cait_ putti: do you mean the unit tests?
09:27 putti Them, but also we could have possibly some other tests like integration tests
09:27 Joubu We have 2 kind of tests, the unit tests independent of data (t/*.t) and the integration tests independent of the DB data (t/db_dependent/*.t)
09:27 Joubu you can have a look at the existing tests, they are the way to do
09:27 putti but I have seen that the tests are implemented in various ways
09:28 Joubu Prefer to read recent over the last files never modified for 3 years
09:29 Joubu putti: I quite like the way I test the new list module, see bug 14544
09:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves
09:29 Joubu Passed qa! whouhou :) thanks marcelr!
09:29 marcelr Joubu++
09:30 Joubu it will be a huge improvement for this module :)
09:30 marcelr was the ugliest part
09:30 Joubu C4::Virtualshelves::Page was one of the worst Koha module
09:30 marcelr now Tags :)
09:31 Joubu hehe, yes this one should a rewrite too
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09:35 putti Joubu, in bug 14544 which commit to look at?
09:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves
09:36 Joubu putti: apply all of them, than t/db_dependent/Virtualshelves.t
09:36 Joubu I add test during the rewrite process
09:39 putti Okay. So it seems like unit tests are quite uniform already and they use Test::More (only few exceptions). But then how about testing the whole thing?
09:48 Joubu the whole thing?
09:48 wahanui somebody said the whole thing was xml
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10:47 putti Joubu, testing how the different parts of koha work together
10:47 Joubu For instance?
10:48 Joubu Are you talking about acceptance tests? (ie.cucumber)
10:48 putti yes
10:49 putti exactly
10:49 Joubu bug 13849
10:49 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13849 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Introduce acceptance tests with cucumber
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10:54 drojf hi #koha
10:54 putti So how do we proceed now that we get cucumber in more global use?
10:57 Joubu putti: I don't know, I have start a "discussion" 6 months ago, and nobody participated, now I am on something else :)
10:57 putti and maybe we need page object like thing to test all the perl scripts which offer the info from several different units.
10:57 Joubu the problem is that we never have the same needs at the same time
10:59 putti We just need to do the decision to start using cucumber etc. and then when someone has the time to implement it he/she can do it.
10:59 Joubu putti: that's what I have tried to do
11:00 Joubu you can add this discussion for the next dev meeting
11:00 putti what dev meeting?
11:00 Joubu attempt to the meeting and convince people
11:00 putti what are they :D
11:00 Joubu Did you subscribe to the koha-devel ML?
11:01 putti I think I have
11:01 Joubu if 1: read the emails else: subscribe
11:01 Joubu and you will know when/what they are
11:01 Joubu
11:02 Joubu last one is not listed there...
11:02 Joubu the last one is[…]g_14_October_2015
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11:06 putti alright
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12:15 tcohen morning
12:15 tcohen hi Joubu
12:15 kivilahtio tcohen: morning
12:16 tcohen hey kivilahtio, it-s been a while!
12:16 kivilahtio tcohen: I read CORS in Action yesterday :) What a nice book!
12:16 kivilahtio We definetely need to provide CORS for the REST API
12:16 tcohen Why_
12:16 kivilahtio and don't expect me to hold on for long. Gotta go save the workd
12:16 kivilahtio too long story
12:16 kivilahtio read the book ;)
12:16 ashimema yup CORS is pretty useful ;)
12:17 kivilahtio it took me 4h and some discussion with our natinal library people working on some cool stuff based on open REST API's
12:17 tcohen you mean cross-origin resourse sharing?
12:17 kivilahtio tcohen: :)
12:17 ashimema yup
12:17 ashimema jsonp also works.. but it's a hack..
12:17 ashimema CORS is much 'nicer'
12:17 kivilahtio he is a fast
12:17 tcohen that's kind of disabled by default by all browsers?
12:18 ashimema I don't believe it is tcohen
12:18 tcohen I had to add an extension to chrome so i can test things
12:18 ashimema this is all about api's beign designed to allow it in the safe maner
12:18 ashimema really..
12:18 wahanui really is more trouble than she's worth.
12:18 tcohen maybe I'm missing something
12:18 ashimema we use it here for other apps.. no extensions needed
12:19 ashimema else it's a kinda pointless thing
12:19 misilot it is. that is why services need to provide either a whitelist of domains for like Access-Control-Allow-Origin: http://foo.example or just use Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * for their service so anyone can use it
12:19 ashimema exactly.. which is what CORS is all about
12:19 tcohen ok, so I was missing something
12:19 ashimema you add such headers into your api.. to enable cross origin stuff
12:20 ashimema it's a two way street.. both api consumer and producer need to support it
12:20 ashimema (not one I think we need ot do imediately)
12:20 kivilahtio there already are two Mojolicious Plugins for CORS, but they seem very crude.
12:20 kivilahtio But this was my idea!!!!
12:20 kivilahtio so don't implement it or accept it to master
12:21 kivilahtio also the book discusses many key concepts realted to security on other real life challenges
12:21 kivilahtio and has already a working example server-side and client side code
12:21 ashimema bet it was a good read
12:22 kivilahtio so it shouldnt be a biggig to make a new cpan module if the mojolicious plugins suck
12:22 kivilahtio ashimema: took me only 4h, it is very short. Only 200+ pages
12:22 kivilahtio (relatively short)  :)
12:22 kivilahtio ashimema: and you can skip a LOT of content
12:23 kivilahtio anyway, take care!
12:23 ashimema what book
12:23 wahanui well, book is commonly used for biblio record for material type so it is searching all reference, reserve etc when i limit by book
12:23 kivilahtio "CORS in Action"
12:23 tcohen Joubu: you obsoleted the patch for ReverseProxyPath?
12:23 Joubu yes, it does not work...
12:24 tcohen why did it work on the test site?
12:24 Joubu it does not
12:25 Joubu tcohen: see bug 15015
12:25 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15015 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Plack testing -- Import patrons tool -- uploading file fails
12:25 Joubu the url was /cgi-bin/koha/intranet/tools/
12:25 Joubu so without your patch it was /intranet/tools
12:25 Joubu but wih the reverseproxypath it becomes /cgi-bin/koha/intranet/tools
12:25 Joubu which is wrong too
12:26 tcohen Joubu: but it is better ;-)
12:26 Joubu tcohen: last patch hardcodes the SCRIPT_NAME occurrences with the script paths
12:26 tcohen yeah, we need to avoid that I think
12:26 Joubu I'd it's the same, it does not work :)
12:26 Joubu at least for the short term solution
12:26 Joubu and to apply on the test server
12:27 kivilahtio did you know that Mojolicious has a CGI compatibility layer?
12:28 kivilahtio but I don't wan to run Koha on the same server as the REST API
12:28 kivilahtio i couldn't take it if the REST API started crashing :)
12:28 tcohen Joubu: did u read Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath source?
12:28 tcohen I think we are missing a pieve on the headers
12:28 Joubu no
12:28 tcohen[…]
12:28 Joubu I think I have tried it
12:28 Joubu but maybe it was when it worked :)
12:28 tcohen also, I'm not sure about the case
12:29 tcohen HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SCRIPT_NAME vs. X-Forwarded-Script-Name
12:30 tcohen also, I've found that we should be using $cgi->script_name() instead of $cgi->url
12:30 tcohen (late night reading)
12:30 * ashimema would still prefer we think about using hypnotoad over plack
12:30 * ashimema also points to a Mojolicious::Plugin that can run cgi scripts under hypnotoad
12:31 tcohen ashimema: have those guidelines so we can push the current implementation, and then we can talk about what else to do with Mojo
12:31 tcohen :D
12:31 ashimema :)
12:31 tcohen I know it opens to lots of improvement oportunities!
12:31 ashimema I did start working on the guidelines.
12:31 ashimema lots more to write
12:32 ashimema then a server exploded and now I'm trying to fix that
12:33 misilot tcohen: it will be nice to have the rest API, if people want to write their own UI it will be possible in the future, or if want to include patron information in other sites such as a universities web portal
12:33 tcohen misilot: definitely, and also have their own systems as consumers for whatever they want
12:35 misilot it's been an interesting challenge coming from an ils that had a "robust" api to writing the reports and making them accessible via json and consuming those in some webservices. Just was a bit challenging getting all the data I wanted via queries, but  I was eventually able to do it. (i think, i should check that now)
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12:37 misilot so having the API out there will clean up having to use reports like that, though that may still be the easiest way without calling a bunch of API calls (unless the new API can call reports, which would be cool)
12:40 tcohen misilot: I do that with "public reports"
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12:44 misilot tcohen: yup. I will just like being able to lock down the reports some so *anyone* if they know the url, can't just run it
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13:05 tcohen misilot: yeah, you need the API, help make it real
13:06 ashimema misilot, what ILS have you come from
13:06 ashimema any inspiration worth taking from it if you liked their api so much ;)
13:07 ashimema also.. you do know there is already some api stuff in there.. ils-di, z39.50, and some others.. they're just all not all that well documented.. old fasioned
13:08 * ashimema needs tea.. he just found an infinite loop in one of the json::validator routines.. and thus in Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2..
13:08 kivilahtio nice !
13:08 ashimema yeah..
13:08 ashimema it's one that perl didn't detect either
13:08 kivilahtio ashimema: what do you mean perl didint detect?
13:09 ashimema so I just had to pull the plug on my dev server to kill it.. as literally nothing else was respnding :(
13:09 kivilahtio ashimema: is there a autodetection feature in perl to track infinite loops?
13:09 ashimema perl can detect some such loops.. like deep recursions
13:09 ashimema never seens a 'deep recusions error' in your console?
13:09 kivilahtio ashimema: you mean with detection, that it kills itself?
13:09 kivilahtio if it enters a very deep recursion?
13:10 kivilahtio ashimema: i have, but that is a different thing than infinite loop
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13:17 ashimema fair point
13:18 kivilahtio have a great weekend!
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13:21 misilot ashimema: i use ILS-DI as much as I can right now with VuFind
13:21 misilot ashimema: i'm going to message you what we came from since we left on no so nice terms
13:22 kivilahtio misilot: VuFind works with ILS-DI=
13:22 kivilahtio misilot: VuFind works with ILS-DI?
13:22 misilot kivilahtio: yes
13:22 misilot not sure the driver for using ILS-DI was ever released
13:23 misilot and it's not completely finished from what I can tell.
13:23 kivilahtio misilot: because we need to integrate Koha to our national search catalog and they use VuFind
13:23 kivilahtio misilot: i don't care. I know the guys at the national library would love to make it work with Koha
13:24 kivilahtio misilot: can you help me find the code?
13:25 misilot kivilahtio: the top two commits:[…]mits/fit-koharest have most everything. i don't think I have added much more.
13:25 misilot I think I made assumptions about being a single library though
13:26 kivilahtio ok
13:27 misilot kivilahtio: but our OPAC uses VuFind with Koha 3.18.5 currently. I think 3.18.6 has a patch that fixes an issue with ILS-DI
13:27 misilot that we had applied to our system
13:27 kivilahtio misilot: we hav a lot of local developments and thus our version of ILS-DI is prolly quite borken :)
13:28 kivilahtio misilot: this is the complete VuFind?
13:28 kivilahtio misilot: where is the driver for Koha?
13:29 misilot kivilahtio:[…]iver/KohaRest.php
13:29 ashimema we extended the vufind koha drivers too
13:29 ashimema aha
13:29 ashimema in fact..
13:29 wahanui in fact is probably the today situation
13:29 kivilahtio ashimema: receiving data...
13:29 ashimema Alex Sassmannshausen.. that's my man :)
13:30 ashimema did you extend it further misilot?
13:31 misilot ashimema: I added course reserve functionality to ours
13:31 ashimema submit it upstream pretty please :)
13:31 misilot i also shortcut authentication to Koha since we use CAS for authentication on campus
13:31 Joubu good w-e #koha!
13:31 ashimema that's fair
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13:33 misilot ashimema: I am trying to find time. 2 person team that manages the IT for the Library here, and manage everything from servers to helping students if they need help with technical issues + in house developments
13:33 misilot will try working on today/next week :) give me a break from everythign else
13:33 kivilahtio Joubu: good weekend!
13:34 kivilahtio ashimema: do ou have a link to the code?
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13:34 misilot kivilahtio: we are running 2.3.1 currently
13:34 kivilahtio hahahaahah
13:34 misilot vufind 2.3.1
13:34 kivilahtio oh :)
13:34 misilot but should work with 2.4
13:34 kivilahtio i thought Koha
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13:35 kivilahtio but you just said you use 3.18
13:35 kivilahtio anyway
13:35 misilot nope Koha 3.18.5. 3.18.6 has a bugfix for ILS-DI
13:35 misilot bug 13939
13:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13939 normal, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI function GetServices doesn't work when the item/biblio is available for hold for specific patron
13:35 kivilahtio misilot: are you planning to upgrade to 3.22 when it comes out?
13:36 misilot kivilahtio: i believe eventually? nengard do you know when we might go to 3.22? :)
13:37 kivilahtio misilot: we are targeting q1 2015 for 3.22 ... we will see what we do with our 220+ in-house patches
13:38 kivilahtio misilot: looking forward to putting everything under PageObject + Cucumber testing
13:38 nengard misilot um ... we still have 3.20 to do :)
13:38 misilot nengard: i can be optimistic, right? :)
13:38 kivilahtio misilot: we actually already have a pretty decent testing framework
13:38 nengard of course you can!!!
13:40 misilot nengard: i like new shiny things :)
13:41 * nengard does too!
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13:44 Malik hello
13:46 Malik i am facing aproblem i have configured new version of koha and i have restore my database in it i have forgot to set email server after 15 days i set email server koha is snding to much email to my patron how can i stop it can any one help me pease
13:49 kivilahtio Malik: wow, when we started using Koha we sent 1 000 000 email of the 4 000 000 queued emails to our patrons thanks to a small software bug :)
13:49 kivilahtio Malik: ps aux | grep process_message_queue
13:50 kivilahtio kill <process_id>
13:50 kivilahtio Malik: this is how you stop the process_message_queue-cronjob from staining your reputation any more
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13:51 kivilahtio Malik: then UPDATE message_queue SET status = pending';
13:51 Malik ok thnx let me check this then i will reply
13:51 kivilahtio Malik: I don't understand your scenario
13:51 kivilahtio Malik: Are you on a test server with real borrower data which accidentally is sending email that should have never been sent?
13:52 tubaclarinet good morning everyone :-)
13:52 kivilahtio tubaclarinet: good day!
13:52 Malik no its not my testing server i have shifted my server to virtual server and i forgot to install postfix and cofigure it thats why its happening
13:53 kivilahtio tubaclarinet: do you fancy blowing instruments?
13:53 kivilahtio Malik: so syou are sending real notifications , only 15 days late?
13:53 Malik yse
13:53 Malik yes
13:53 kivilahtio Malik: so you killed the process?
13:53 kivilahtio Malik: did you run the SQL? if you didnt dont do it now :)
13:54 tubaclarinet LOL...My my wife plays clarinet (very well, i might add) and I get by on tuba
13:54 kivilahtio tubaclarinet: nice to hear! My mom forced me to play the piano
13:54 tcohen bye #koha, training tiem
13:54 tcohen koha training for librarians, that's it
13:54 kivilahtio tcohen: taik cear
13:54 kivilahtio tcohen: I thought you was gonna do something fun
13:54 kivilahtio tcohen: like parkour
13:55 tcohen i'd love to
13:55 tcohen maybe tennis, but not today
13:55 kivilahtio tcohen: tennis is fun, but I suck at that, Squash is more easy
13:55 Malik root     22508  0.0  0.0   4384   820 pts/1    S+   18:51   0:00 grep --color=au
13:56 Malik after command it is showing but when i implement its showing no process to kill
13:56 kivilahtio Malik: if that is what you got with the ps aux -command then the messags have already been sent
13:56 Malik ok
13:56 kivilahtio Malik: you can try running the "top"-command
13:56 kivilahtio Malik: but that might not help
13:56 kivilahtio if the process has already completed
13:57 kivilahtio Malik: sending 15 days of messages doesn't take so much time
13:57 Malik ok
13:57 tubaclarinet kikilahtio: hopefully you gleaned at least 1 good experience w/ piano
13:57 Malik mean in future it will not be happend
13:57 kivilahtio tubaclarinet: I did. I learned to play really melancholically
13:58 kivilahtio Malik: erm, you have configured in your crontab to run every minute?
13:58 tubaclarinet sorry, that should have been "kivilahtio", not "kikilahtio"
13:58 kivilahtio tubaclarinet: I always use TAB to autocomplete the name so i don't do so much typos
13:59 tubaclarinet kivilahtio: thx 4 the tip
13:59 kivilahtio tubaclarinet: no problem :)
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14:00 kivilahtio Malik: is everything ok now?
14:00 misilot kivilahtio and ashimema i pushed some  more of the changes (what I am using in production). making a PR now for upstream VuFind
14:01 kivilahtio misilot: erm do you mean that the Koha Driver is in the VuFind master already?
14:01 kivilahtio and that Koha Driver uses ILS-DI?
14:01 misilot kivilahtio: not yet, making a PR. kivilahtio it uses ILS-DI for something things and mysql for others
14:02 misilot ILS-DI isn't feature complete for everything
14:02 kivilahtio misilot: I understand
14:02 misilot I will give a PR so you can take a look
14:02 misilot once I make it
14:02 kivilahtio misilot: what do you think of using the new REST API in Koha to integrate with VuFind?
14:02 kivilahtio misilot: if the driver is not complete, and it isn't in the official VuFind repo?
14:03 kivilahtio misilot: the RESTAPI runs on a FastCGI-server, giving much more higher throughput than the current Koha CGI  architecture.
14:04 kivilahtio misilot: that certainly is not available yet
14:04 misilot kivilahtio: they already have a Koha driver that isn't feature complete, that relies I believe completely on MySQL. I would like to have it use the new REST API once it is available.
14:04 kivilahtio misilot: completely relying on MySQL sounds incredibly bad :)
14:04 kivilahtio misilot: something like "prorpietary ILS vendor"-bad
14:05 misilot kivilahtio: well at least you can write queries for it. Would have loved to write queries against the oracle database, but not allowed since we had an embedded version
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14:10 Malik i ave recieved 126 email in reply that you daily quota limit execeed by email server i just confirmed that these email will not sent tomorrow how to stop these
14:12 kivilahtio misilot: I haven't heard the word "not allowed" in my 5 years of working with OS software
14:12 misilot kivilahtio: well licensing terms for oracle software
14:12 misilot not a company to try and make angry :)
14:12 Malik yes i have configured to run after two minutes but yesterday it was deleted from crontab after these emails
14:13 kivilahtio Malik: that depends on your outbound email server. I have no ide awhat to do with your outbound email sever
14:13 misilot kivilahtio and ashimema here is a PR to VuFind for the Koha Driver we are using:
14:13 kivilahtio misilot: thanks!
14:13 Malik i have configured postfix
14:13 kivilahtio Malik: I am sorry that is really beyond my area of expertise
14:18 Malik yes fix it by sudo postsuper -d ALL 1518 emails were in queue and it is deleted know
14:20 ashimema awesome
14:20 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
14:25 kivilahtio awesome
14:25 Malik thnx for help
14:25 kivilahtio Malik: what little I could offer
14:26 Malik you can
14:26 kivilahtio Malik: but you need to make sure your patrons actually get the notifications which are due?
14:26 kivilahtio Malik: atleast our patrons are very angry if they don't get their advance notifications
14:26 kivilahtio Malik: and then they complain and don't want to pay their fines
14:27 kivilahtio Malik: recovering rom such error is VERY HARD in Koha
14:27 Malik i have sent them email for this error and about fine i will forgive that
14:28 misilot kivilahtio: we tell our students that notices are convenience  (since we cannot guarantee  they actually get sent once they leave Koha and onto our mailhost). and they should check their accounts for any fine information :)
14:29 Malik yes i have recieved to much compliant one of my patron recievd 100 email for only item overdue
14:30 kivilahtio misilot: same here
14:31 Malik i have mentioned that kindly check your accounts if any fine is there kindly contact library
14:31 kivilahtio misilot: they stil lcomplain :)
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15:05 reiveune bye
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15:11 TGoat good morning :)
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16:06 kivilahtio yesterday we coined a new term "Kohaler"
16:06 kivilahtio sorry
16:06 kivilahtio yesterday we coined a new term ""Kohler""
16:07 kivilahtio I am too used to write Koha. Actually we were inspecting the Turkish Koha service provider, and had to google translate from Turkis to Finnish. KOHA was translated as KOH :) It was great!
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16:09 kivilahtio Sorry it was "Kohrer". I have stil lsome things to learn ;)
16:10 kivilahtio have a great weekend!
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21:21 tcohen hi there
21:21 wahanui que tal, tcohen
21:21 tcohen wahanui: snackbot
21:21 wahanui tcohen: excuse me?
21:21 tcohen wahanui: botsnack
21:21 wahanui :)
21:21 tcohen ah
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21:51 wnickc woohoo koha!
21:52 tcohen hi wnickc
21:56 wnickc hi tcohen
21:56 wnickc I have my anisble plack setup, super easy btw, will test when can
21:57 wnickc thanks for putting that together
21:57 tcohen wnickc: you are welcome
21:58 tcohen integrating plack with the packages got a bit personal heh, so everything that i needed, I tried to do it
21:58 tcohen heh
21:59 wnickc I don't fully understand it, but I do love it, feels snappy
22:15 tcohen wnickc: you can understand as much as you like, as long as it is useful to you
22:16 wnickc tcohen :-)
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22:20 wnickc bye all
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23:15 pianohacker_DND gigantic rancor update of doom!
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