Time  Nick            Message
00:00 wizzyrea        I can't stop laughing. I should have warned you that I'm 12 inside.
00:32 cdickinson      @wunder nzwn
00:32 huginn          cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (1:00 PM NZDT on October 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
00:38 wizzyrea        it's awesome outside
00:40 Francesca       nice and sunny
06:26 marcelr         hi #koha
06:41 dojobo          'morning
06:50 reiveune        hello
06:50 wahanui         what's up, reiveune
07:00 alex_a          hello
07:04 Joubu           hello
07:04 wahanui         hello, Joubu
07:04 marcelr         hi Joubu: I am looking at 14544 now
07:05 Joubu           thanks! :)
07:05 marcelr         thinking of leaving the latest patch btw
07:05 Joubu           As you said it could be done later, on a separate patch with a discussion
07:06 marcelr         yes
07:06 Joubu           personally I don't know how this "read only" feature can be used
07:06 marcelr         i will never win that discussion LOL
07:06 Joubu           how much!
07:06 Joubu           you almost convinced me :)
07:07 marcelr         that is good
07:18 Francesca       @wunder wlg
07:18 huginn          Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
07:26 * cait          waves
07:34 * Francesca     waves at cait
07:35 cait            hi Francesca  :)
07:35 Francesca       sup
08:20 magnuse         @wunder tylosand
08:20 huginn          magnuse: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
08:20 magnuse         @wunder tylösand
08:21 huginn          magnuse: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
08:21 magnuse         @wunder halmstad
08:21 huginn          magnuse: The current temperature in Vilsharad, Halmstad, Sweden is 8.6°C (10:20 AM CEST on October 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
08:39 magnuse         cait is saying people here on #koha are nice and friendly :-)
08:50 Joubu           (and some are grumpy)
08:53 Francesca       I'm nice ! (at least I hope so)
09:16 putti           We should have an uniform way of doing tests, right? Who's volunteering to decide which way it should be?
09:18 * cait_         waves
09:19 Francesca       night all
09:19 wahanui         goodnight Francesca. You'll be back.
09:20 putti           cait_, hi! Do you volunteer in choosing the testing way we should use in Koha?
09:24 putti           Maybe we could do some outlines to wiki page about how the testing should be done in Koha. Also maybe we could have more specific coding guidelines?
09:26 cait_           putti: do you mean the unit tests?
09:27 putti           Them, but also we could have possibly some other tests like integration tests
09:27 Joubu           We have 2 kind of tests, the unit tests independent of data (t/*.t) and the integration tests independent of the DB data (t/db_dependent/*.t)
09:27 Joubu           you can have a look at the existing tests, they are the way to do
09:27 putti           but I have seen that the tests are implemented in various ways
09:28 Joubu           Prefer to read recent over the last files never modified for 3 years
09:29 Joubu           putti: I quite like the way I test the new list module, see bug 14544
09:29 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves
09:29 Joubu           Passed qa! whouhou :) thanks marcelr!
09:29 marcelr         Joubu++
09:30 Joubu           it will be a huge improvement for this module :)
09:30 marcelr         Page.pm was the ugliest part
09:30 Joubu           C4::Virtualshelves::Page was one of the worst Koha module
09:30 marcelr         now Tags :)
09:31 Joubu           hehe, yes this one should a rewrite too
09:35 putti           Joubu, in bug 14544 which commit to look at?
09:35 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Move the list related code to Koha::Virtualshelves
09:36 Joubu           putti: apply all of them, than t/db_dependent/Virtualshelves.t
09:36 Joubu           I add test during the rewrite process
09:39 putti           Okay. So it seems like unit tests are quite uniform already and they use Test::More (only few exceptions). But then how about testing the whole thing?
09:48 Joubu           the whole thing?
09:48 wahanui         somebody said the whole thing was xml
10:47 putti           Joubu, testing how the different parts of koha work together
10:47 Joubu           For instance?
10:48 Joubu           Are you talking about acceptance tests? (ie.cucumber)
10:48 putti           yes
10:49 putti           exactly
10:49 Joubu           bug 13849
10:49 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13849 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Introduce acceptance tests with cucumber
10:54 drojf           hi #koha
10:54 putti           So how do we proceed now that we get cucumber in more global use?
10:57 Joubu           putti: I don't know, I have start a "discussion" 6 months ago, and nobody participated, now I am on something else :)
10:57 putti           and maybe we need page object like thing to test all the perl scripts which offer the info from several different units.
10:57 Joubu           the problem is that we never have the same needs at the same time
10:59 putti           We just need to do the decision to start using cucumber etc. and then when someone has the time to implement it he/she can do it.
10:59 Joubu           putti: that's what I have tried to do
11:00 Joubu           you can add this discussion for the next dev meeting
11:00 putti           what dev meeting?
11:00 Joubu           attempt to the meeting and convince people
11:00 putti           what are they :D
11:00 Joubu           Did you subscribe to the koha-devel ML?
11:01 putti           I think I have
11:01 Joubu           if 1: read the emails else: subscribe
11:01 Joubu           and you will know when/what they are
11:01 Joubu           http://meetings.koha-community.org/2015/
11:02 Joubu           last one is not listed there...
11:02 Joubu           the last one is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_October_2015
11:06 putti           alright
12:15 tcohen          morning
12:15 tcohen          hi Joubu
12:15 kivilahtio      tcohen: morning
12:16 tcohen          hey kivilahtio, it-s been a while!
12:16 kivilahtio      tcohen: I read CORS in Action yesterday :) What a nice book!
12:16 kivilahtio      We definetely need to provide CORS for the REST API
12:16 tcohen          Why_
12:16 kivilahtio      and don't expect me to hold on for long. Gotta go save the workd
12:16 kivilahtio      too long story
12:16 kivilahtio      read the book ;)
12:16 ashimema        yup CORS is pretty useful ;)
12:17 kivilahtio      it took me 4h and some discussion with our natinal library people working on some cool stuff based on open REST API's
12:17 tcohen          you mean cross-origin resourse sharing?
12:17 kivilahtio      tcohen: :)
12:17 ashimema        yup
12:17 ashimema        jsonp also works.. but it's a hack..
12:17 ashimema        CORS is much 'nicer'
12:17 kivilahtio      he is a fast duckduckgo.com:er
12:17 tcohen          that's kind of disabled by default by all browsers?
12:18 ashimema        I don't believe it is tcohen
12:18 tcohen          I had to add an extension to chrome so i can test things
12:18 ashimema        this is all about api's beign designed to allow it in the safe maner
12:18 ashimema        really..
12:18 wahanui         really is more trouble than she's worth.
12:18 tcohen          maybe I'm missing something
12:18 ashimema        we use it here for other apps.. no extensions needed
12:19 ashimema        else it's a kinda pointless thing
12:19 misilot         it is. that is why services need to provide either a whitelist of domains for like Access-Control-Allow-Origin: http://foo.example or just use Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * for their service so anyone can use it
12:19 ashimema        exactly.. which is what CORS is all about
12:19 tcohen          ok, so I was missing something
12:19 ashimema        you add such headers into your api.. to enable cross origin stuff
12:20 ashimema        it's a two way street.. both api consumer and producer need to support it
12:20 ashimema        (not one I think we need ot do imediately)
12:20 kivilahtio      there already are two Mojolicious Plugins for CORS, but they seem very crude.
12:20 kivilahtio      But this was my idea!!!!
12:20 kivilahtio      so don't implement it or accept it to master
12:21 kivilahtio      also the book discusses many key concepts realted to security on other real life challenges
12:21 kivilahtio      and has already a working example server-side and client side code
12:21 ashimema        bet it was a good read
12:22 kivilahtio      so it shouldnt be a biggig to make a new cpan module if the mojolicious plugins suck
12:22 kivilahtio      ashimema: took me only 4h, it is very short. Only 200+ pages
12:22 kivilahtio      (relatively short)  :)
12:22 kivilahtio      ashimema: and you can skip a LOT of content
12:23 kivilahtio      anyway, take care!
12:23 ashimema        what book
12:23 wahanui         well, book is commonly used for biblio record for material type so it is searching all reference, reserve etc when i limit by book
12:23 kivilahtio      "CORS in Action"
12:23 tcohen          Joubu: you obsoleted the patch for ReverseProxyPath?
12:23 Joubu           yes, it does not work...
12:24 tcohen          why did it work on the test site?
12:24 Joubu           it does not
12:25 Joubu           tcohen: see bug 15015
12:25 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15015 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Plack testing -- Import patrons tool -- uploading file fails
12:25 Joubu           the url was /cgi-bin/koha/intranet/tools/import_borrowers.pl
12:25 Joubu           so without your patch it was /intranet/tools
12:25 Joubu           but wih the reverseproxypath it becomes /cgi-bin/koha/intranet/tools
12:25 Joubu           which is wrong too
12:26 tcohen          Joubu: but it is better ;-)
12:26 Joubu           tcohen: last patch hardcodes the SCRIPT_NAME occurrences with the script paths
12:26 tcohen          yeah, we need to avoid that I think
12:26 Joubu           I'd it's the same, it does not work :)
12:26 Joubu           at least for the short term solution
12:26 Joubu           and to apply on the test server
12:27 kivilahtio      did you know that Mojolicious has a CGI compatibility layer?
12:28 kivilahtio      but I don't wan to run Koha on the same server as the REST API
12:28 kivilahtio      i couldn't take it if the REST API started crashing :)
12:28 tcohen          Joubu: did u read Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxyPath source?
12:28 tcohen          I think we are missing a pieve on the headers
12:28 Joubu           no
12:28 tcohen          HTTP_X_TRAVERSAL_PATH
12:28 tcohen          http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/BOWMANBS/Plack-Middleware-ReverseProxyPath-0.03/lib/Plack/Middleware/ReverseProxyPath.pm
12:28 Joubu           I think I have tried it
12:28 Joubu           but maybe it was when it worked :)
12:28 tcohen          also, I'm not sure about the case
12:29 tcohen          HTTP_X_FORWARDED_SCRIPT_NAME vs. X-Forwarded-Script-Name
12:30 tcohen          also, I've found that we should be using $cgi->script_name() instead of $cgi->url
12:30 tcohen          (late night reading)
12:30 * ashimema      would still prefer we think about using hypnotoad over plack
12:30 * ashimema      also points to a Mojolicious::Plugin that can run cgi scripts under hypnotoad
12:31 tcohen          ashimema: have those guidelines so we can push the current implementation, and then we can talk about what else to do with Mojo
12:31 tcohen          :D
12:31 ashimema        :)
12:31 tcohen          I know it opens to lots of improvement oportunities!
12:31 ashimema        I did start working on the guidelines.
12:31 ashimema        lots more to write
12:32 ashimema        then a server exploded and now I'm trying to fix that
12:33 misilot         tcohen: it will be nice to have the rest API, if people want to write their own UI it will be possible in the future, or if want to include patron information in other sites such as a universities web portal
12:33 tcohen          misilot: definitely, and also have their own systems as consumers for whatever they want
12:35 misilot         it's been an interesting challenge coming from an ils that had a "robust" api to writing the reports and making them accessible via json and consuming those in some webservices. Just was a bit challenging getting all the data I wanted via queries, but  I was eventually able to do it. (i think, i should check that now)
12:37 misilot         so having the API out there will clean up having to use reports like that, though that may still be the easiest way without calling a bunch of API calls (unless the new API can call reports, which would be cool)
12:40 tcohen          misilot: I do that with "public reports"
12:44 misilot         tcohen: yup. I will just like being able to lock down the reports some so *anyone* if they know the url, can't just run it
13:05 tcohen          misilot: yeah, you need the API, help make it real
13:06 ashimema        misilot, what ILS have you come from
13:06 ashimema        any inspiration worth taking from it if you liked their api so much ;)
13:07 ashimema        also.. you do know there is already some api stuff in there.. ils-di, z39.50, and some others.. they're just all not all that well documented.. old fasioned
13:08 * ashimema      needs tea.. he just found an infinite loop in one of the json::validator routines.. and thus in Mojolicious::Plugin::Swagger2..
13:08 kivilahtio      nice !
13:08 ashimema        yeah..
13:08 ashimema        it's one that perl didn't detect either
13:08 kivilahtio      ashimema: what do you mean perl didint detect?
13:09 ashimema        so I just had to pull the plug on my dev server to kill it.. as literally nothing else was respnding :(
13:09 kivilahtio      ashimema: is there a autodetection feature in perl to track infinite loops?
13:09 ashimema        perl can detect some such loops.. like deep recursions
13:09 ashimema        never seens a 'deep recusions error' in your console?
13:09 kivilahtio      ashimema: you mean with detection, that it kills itself?
13:09 kivilahtio      if it enters a very deep recursion?
13:10 kivilahtio      ashimema: i have, but that is a different thing than infinite loop
13:17 ashimema        fair point
13:18 kivilahtio      have a great weekend!
13:21 misilot         ashimema: i use ILS-DI as much as I can right now with VuFind
13:21 misilot         ashimema: i'm going to message you what we came from since we left on no so nice terms
13:22 kivilahtio      misilot: VuFind works with ILS-DI=
13:22 kivilahtio      misilot: VuFind works with ILS-DI?
13:22 misilot         kivilahtio: yes
13:22 misilot         not sure the driver for using ILS-DI was ever released
13:23 misilot         and it's not completely finished from what I can tell.
13:23 kivilahtio      misilot: because we need to integrate Koha to our national search catalog and they use VuFind
13:23 kivilahtio      misilot: i don't care. I know the guys at the national library would love to make it work with Koha
13:24 kivilahtio      misilot: can you help me find the code?
13:25 misilot         kivilahtio: the top two commits: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/commits/fit-koharest have most everything. i don't think I have added much more.
13:25 misilot         I think I made assumptions about being a single library though
13:26 kivilahtio      ok
13:27 misilot         kivilahtio: but our OPAC uses VuFind with Koha 3.18.5 currently. I think 3.18.6 has a patch that fixes an issue with ILS-DI
13:27 misilot         that we had applied to our system
13:27 kivilahtio      misilot: we hav a lot of local developments and thus our version of ILS-DI is prolly quite borken :)
13:28 kivilahtio      misilot: this is the complete VuFind?
13:28 kivilahtio      misilot: where is the driver for Koha?
13:29 misilot         kivilahtio: https://github.com/misilot/vufind/blob/fit-koharest/module/VuFind/src/VuFind/ILS/Driver/KohaRest.php
13:29 ashimema        we extended the vufind koha drivers too
13:29 ashimema        aha
13:29 ashimema        in fact..
13:29 wahanui         in fact is probably the today situation
13:29 kivilahtio      ashimema: receiving data...
13:29 ashimema        Alex Sassmannshausen.. that's my man :)
13:30 ashimema        did you extend it further misilot?
13:31 misilot         ashimema: I added course reserve functionality to ours
13:31 ashimema        submit it upstream pretty please :)
13:31 misilot         i also shortcut authentication to Koha since we use CAS for authentication on campus
13:31 Joubu           good w-e #koha!
13:31 ashimema        that's fair
13:33 misilot         ashimema: I am trying to find time. 2 person team that manages the IT for the Library here, and manage everything from servers to helping students if they need help with technical issues + in house developments
13:33 misilot         will try working on today/next week :) give me a break from everythign else
13:33 kivilahtio      Joubu: good weekend!
13:34 kivilahtio      ashimema: do ou have a link to the code?
13:34 misilot         kivilahtio: we are running 2.3.1 currently
13:34 kivilahtio      hahahaahah
13:34 misilot         vufind 2.3.1
13:34 kivilahtio      oh :)
13:34 misilot         but should work with 2.4
13:34 kivilahtio      i thought Koha
13:35 kivilahtio      but you just said you use 3.18
13:35 kivilahtio      anyway
13:35 misilot         nope Koha 3.18.5. 3.18.6 has a bugfix for ILS-DI
13:35 misilot         bug 13939
13:35 huginn          04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13939 normal, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI function GetServices doesn't work when the item/biblio is available for hold for specific patron
13:35 kivilahtio      misilot: are you planning to upgrade to 3.22 when it comes out?
13:36 misilot         kivilahtio: i believe eventually? nengard do you know when we might go to 3.22? :)
13:37 kivilahtio      misilot: we are targeting q1 2015 for 3.22 ... we will see what we do with our 220+ in-house patches
13:38 kivilahtio      misilot: looking forward to putting everything under PageObject + Cucumber testing
13:38 nengard         misilot um ... we still have 3.20 to do :)
13:38 misilot         nengard: i can be optimistic, right? :)
13:38 kivilahtio      misilot: we actually already have a pretty decent testing framework
13:38 nengard         of course you can!!!
13:40 misilot         nengard: i like new shiny things :)
13:41 * nengard       does too!
13:44 Malik           hello
13:46 Malik           i am facing aproblem i have configured new version of koha and i have restore my database in it i have forgot to set email server after 15 days i set email server koha is snding to much email to my patron how can i stop it can any one help me pease
13:49 kivilahtio      Malik: wow, when we started using Koha we sent 1 000 000 email of the 4 000 000 queued emails to our patrons thanks to a small software bug :)
13:49 kivilahtio      Malik: ps aux | grep process_message_queue
13:50 kivilahtio      kill <process_id>
13:50 kivilahtio      Malik: this is how you stop the process_message_queue-cronjob from staining your reputation any more
13:51 kivilahtio      Malik: then UPDATE message_queue SET status = pending';
13:51 Malik           ok thnx let me check this then i will reply
13:51 kivilahtio      Malik: I don't understand your scenario
13:51 kivilahtio      Malik: Are you on a test server with real borrower data which accidentally is sending email that should have never been sent?
13:52 tubaclarinet    good morning everyone :-)
13:52 kivilahtio      tubaclarinet: good day!
13:52 Malik           no its not my testing server i have shifted my server to virtual server and i forgot to install postfix and cofigure it thats why its happening
13:53 kivilahtio      tubaclarinet: do you fancy blowing instruments?
13:53 kivilahtio      Malik: so syou are sending real notifications , only 15 days late?
13:53 Malik           yse
13:53 Malik           yes
13:53 kivilahtio      Malik: so you killed the process?
13:53 kivilahtio      Malik: did you run the SQL? if you didnt dont do it now :)
13:54 tubaclarinet    LOL...My my wife plays clarinet (very well, i might add) and I get by on tuba
13:54 kivilahtio      tubaclarinet: nice to hear! My mom forced me to play the piano
13:54 tcohen          bye #koha, training tiem
13:54 tcohen          koha training for librarians, that's it
13:54 kivilahtio      tcohen: taik cear
13:54 kivilahtio      tcohen: I thought you was gonna do something fun
13:54 kivilahtio      tcohen: like parkour
13:55 tcohen          i'd love to
13:55 tcohen          maybe tennis, but not today
13:55 kivilahtio      tcohen: tennis is fun, but I suck at that, Squash is more easy
13:55 Malik           root     22508  0.0  0.0   4384   820 pts/1    S+   18:51   0:00 grep --color=au
13:56 Malik           after command it is showing but when i implement its showing no process to kill
13:56 kivilahtio      Malik: if that is what you got with the ps aux -command then the messags have already been sent
13:56 Malik           ok
13:56 kivilahtio      Malik: you can try running the "top"-command
13:56 kivilahtio      Malik: but that might not help
13:56 kivilahtio      if the process has already completed
13:57 kivilahtio      Malik: sending 15 days of messages doesn't take so much time
13:57 Malik           ok
13:57 tubaclarinet    kikilahtio: hopefully you gleaned at least 1 good experience w/ piano
13:57 Malik           mean in future it will not be happend
13:57 kivilahtio      tubaclarinet: I did. I learned to play really melancholically
13:58 kivilahtio      Malik: erm, you have process_message_queue.pl configured in your crontab to run every minute?
13:58 tubaclarinet    sorry, that should have been "kivilahtio", not "kikilahtio"
13:58 kivilahtio      tubaclarinet: I always use TAB to autocomplete the name so i don't do so much typos
13:59 tubaclarinet    kivilahtio: thx 4 the tip
13:59 kivilahtio      tubaclarinet: no problem :)
14:00 kivilahtio      Malik: is everything ok now?
14:00 misilot         kivilahtio and ashimema i pushed some  more of the changes (what I am using in production). making a PR now for upstream VuFind
14:01 kivilahtio      misilot: erm do you mean that the Koha Driver is in the VuFind master already?
14:01 kivilahtio      and that Koha Driver uses ILS-DI?
14:01 misilot         kivilahtio: not yet, making a PR. kivilahtio it uses ILS-DI for something things and mysql for others
14:02 misilot         ILS-DI isn't feature complete for everything
14:02 kivilahtio      misilot: I understand
14:02 misilot         I will give a PR so you can take a look
14:02 misilot         once I make it
14:02 kivilahtio      misilot: what do you think of using the new REST API in Koha to integrate with VuFind?
14:02 kivilahtio      misilot: if the driver is not complete, and it isn't in the official VuFind repo?
14:03 kivilahtio      misilot: the RESTAPI runs on a FastCGI-server, giving much more higher throughput than the current Koha CGI  architecture.
14:04 kivilahtio      misilot: that certainly is not available yet
14:04 misilot         kivilahtio: they already have a Koha driver that isn't feature complete, that relies I believe completely on MySQL. I would like to have it use the new REST API once it is available.
14:04 kivilahtio      misilot: completely relying on MySQL sounds incredibly bad :)
14:04 kivilahtio      misilot: something like "prorpietary ILS vendor"-bad
14:05 misilot         kivilahtio: well at least you can write queries for it. Would have loved to write queries against the oracle database, but not allowed since we had an embedded version
14:10 Malik           i ave recieved 126 email in reply that you daily quota limit execeed by email server i just confirmed that these email will not sent tomorrow how to stop these
14:12 kivilahtio      misilot: I haven't heard the word "not allowed" in my 5 years of working with OS software
14:12 misilot         kivilahtio: well licensing terms for oracle software
14:12 misilot         not a company to try and make angry :)
14:12 Malik           yes i have configured process_message_queue.pl to run after two minutes but yesterday it was deleted from crontab after these emails
14:13 kivilahtio      Malik: that depends on your outbound email server. I have no ide awhat to do with your outbound email sever
14:13 misilot         kivilahtio and ashimema here is a PR to VuFind for the Koha Driver we are using: https://github.com/vufind-org/vufind/pull/486
14:13 kivilahtio      misilot: thanks!
14:13 Malik           i have configured postfix
14:13 kivilahtio      Malik: I am sorry that is really beyond my area of expertise
14:18 Malik           yes fix it by sudo postsuper -d ALL 1518 emails were in queue and it is deleted know
14:20 ashimema        awesome
14:20 wahanui         That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
14:25 kivilahtio      awesome
14:25 Malik           thnx for help
14:25 kivilahtio      Malik: what little I could offer
14:26 Malik           you can
14:26 kivilahtio      Malik: but you need to make sure your patrons actually get the notifications which are due?
14:26 kivilahtio      Malik: atleast our patrons are very angry if they don't get their advance notifications
14:26 kivilahtio      Malik: and then they complain and don't want to pay their fines
14:27 kivilahtio      Malik: recovering rom such error is VERY HARD in Koha
14:27 Malik           i have sent them email for this error and about fine i will forgive that
14:28 misilot         kivilahtio: we tell our students that notices are convenience  (since we cannot guarantee  they actually get sent once they leave Koha and onto our mailhost). and they should check their accounts for any fine information :)
14:29 Malik           yes i have recieved to much compliant one of my patron recievd 100 email for only item overdue
14:30 kivilahtio      misilot: same here
14:31 Malik           i have mentioned that kindly check your accounts if any fine is there kindly contact library
14:31 kivilahtio      misilot: they stil lcomplain :)
15:05 reiveune        bye
15:11 TGoat           good morning :)
16:06 kivilahtio      yesterday we coined a new term "Kohaler"
16:06 kivilahtio      sorry
16:06 kivilahtio      yesterday we coined a new term ""Kohler""
16:07 kivilahtio      I am too used to write Koha. Actually we were inspecting the Turkish Koha service provider, and had to google translate from Turkis to Finnish. KOHA was translated as KOH :) It was great!
16:09 kivilahtio      Sorry it was "Kohrer". I have stil lsome things to learn ;)
16:10 kivilahtio      have a great weekend!
21:21 tcohen          hi there
21:21 wahanui         que tal, tcohen
21:21 tcohen          wahanui: snackbot
21:21 wahanui         tcohen: excuse me?
21:21 tcohen          wahanui: botsnack
21:21 wahanui         :)
21:21 tcohen          ah
21:51 wnickc          woohoo koha!
21:52 tcohen          hi wnickc
21:56 wnickc          hi tcohen
21:56 wnickc          I have my anisble plack setup, super easy btw, will test when can
21:57 wnickc          thanks for putting that together
21:57 tcohen          wnickc: you are welcome
21:58 tcohen          integrating plack with the packages got a bit personal heh, so everything that i needed, I tried to do it
21:58 tcohen          heh
21:59 wnickc          I don't fully understand it, but I do love it, feels snappy
22:15 tcohen          wnickc: you can understand as much as you like, as long as it is useful to you
22:16 wnickc          tcohen :-)
22:20 wnickc          bye all
23:15 pianohacker_DND gigantic rancor update of doom!