IRC log for #koha, 2015-10-08

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00:01 BobB hi mtj about?
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00:28 eythian <-- good domain, entertaining read
00:30 wizzyrea that graphic
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00:51 pianohacker bye all
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00:51 pianohacker ldap--
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02:25 mtj nice link eythian
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03:20 jcamins @later tell paul_p How is the weather in Marseille in November?
03:20 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
03:20 eythian @wunder marseille
03:20 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 14.0°C (5:00 AM CEST on October 08, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
03:20 eythian jcamins: 14° :)
03:20 eythian but it's 5am, so probably warmer in a few hours
03:21 jcamins @wunder 11375
03:21 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Cedar Grove Cemetery, Flushing, New York, New York is 16.0°C (11:06 PM EDT on October 07, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
03:21 jcamins eythian: what I'm really concerned about, actually, is snow. I hate snow.
03:22 jcamins And sun. Cold and sunny I like.
03:22 jcamins Cold and dreary, no.
03:24 eythian well, it says clear, but I don't recall what sort of humidity leads to snow, but I'm sure it's not 72% at 14° because that'd be a pretty freaky snowfall.,
03:24 jcamins It's also the beginning of October right now.
03:41 eythian if ( $hits && $offset + $results_per_page <= $hits ) {
03:41 eythian ^-- I misread that variable each time I see it.
03:47 eythian gah, and I just spent ages staring at something to see why it wasn't working. Turns out it was working just fine, I hadn't noticed.
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04:58 Pete__ Hello?  Anyone out there?  I'm looking for some Koha help... is this the right place?
04:58 eythian it is
04:58 eythian though, you're on a slightly odd timezone border so it's quiet about now.
04:59 eythian I think the US is asleep, NZ is about to go home, and europe is about to wake up.
04:59 Pete__ Haha, I'm in Chicago -- do you have time for a quick question?
04:59 Pete__ Basically, I set up Koha for the first time for a small school here in Chicago
05:00 Pete__ I got the linux install ok no problem, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to add BOOKS in there from the school's library
05:00 Pete__ Is there by chance some "amazon lookup" thing where I don't have to enter in information about every single book?  This school is just getting started from scratch.
05:00 Pete__ I must be missing something... right?
05:00 eythian it doesn't use amazon, but there is a lookup thing
05:00 eythian it's called Z39.50
05:01 eythian (because it's really old when those names were still cool.)
05:01 Pete__ Ha, nice, okay... I remember seeing that somewhere...
05:01 eythian you can enter the ISBN and look it up in a bunch of libraries, e.g. library of congress.
05:01 ashimema hi chaps
05:01 eythian ashimema: howdy
05:01 wahanui que tal, eythian
05:02 eythian wahanui: I'm not talking to you
05:02 wahanui eythian: sorry...
05:02 eythian[…]en_Z39.50_Sources <-- Pete__, this might be useful if the sources you already have aren't helpful
05:03 eythian that page could really do with some more entries
05:03 Pete__ I don't remember seeing that anywhere in the config, but at least now I have something to go on...
05:03 Pete__ Thanks eythian for the link
05:03 ashimema or is often helpful
05:03 eythian when you go to the cataloguing interface, there's an option to add from Z39.50
05:04 eythian oh yeah, that one I forget about
05:05 Pete__ Awesome.  This is a small school library here but I'd still rather not ask them to enter in all the info manually.  I'm sure we'll have to for at least a few things but the more I can automate the better.  I'll check this out.  Thanks guys.
05:05 eythian oh yeah, you don't want to do this manually, that'd be terrible
05:06 eythian you should be able to get it to the point of barcode scanning the ISBN, loading the record, tweaking a few things, and saving.
05:06 eythian 1-2 minutes per book rather than about half an hour each to catalogue it from scratch.
05:06 Pete__ Yes!  That's what I'm shooting for.  This Zebra thing is the answer to that, yes?
05:06 eythian Z39.50, yes
05:06 Pete__ Z39.50?
05:06 wahanui i heard Z39.50 was the ANSI standard of the beast.
05:06 eythian heh
05:07 eythian (zebra is the search engine koha uses behind the scenes, but it can also talk z39.50, but you don't need to know that here :)
05:07 Pete__ awesome.  Off I go.  I'll return here at a more reasonable time next time!  Have a good day / night / etc!
05:07 eythian later, good luck!
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06:52 Joubu Hello #koha
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06:59 reiveune hello
06:59 wahanui hi, reiveune
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07:14 alex_a bonjour
07:14 wahanui bonjour, alex_a
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07:32 dojobo hi there
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07:34 drojf morning #koha
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08:02 marcelr hi #koha
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08:52 mtj drojf: i just read your apache email :)
08:54 mtj ..i think now for debian jessie, disabling the 'default' apache will not break anything
08:54 mtj it seems to be a perfectly safe thing to do, 99% of the time
08:56 drojf mtj: i have been disabling that hundreds of times ;)
08:56 mtj afaik, all web apps install themselves in the /etc/apache/conf.d/* dir
08:57 drojf i have not done much with jessie yet, but a correctly (AFAIK) set up koha site did not get round the default website yesterday
08:57 mtj, they work just fine with the 'default' config disabled
09:01 mtj ^ i would like to be corrected, if that is untrue
09:02 drojf mtompsett wll know ;)
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09:11 mtj hey, i was thinking .... why not turn up DBI_TRACE on the jenkins nodes
09:12 mtj i wonder if it would reveal any known problems
09:13 mtj s/known/unknown/
09:14 mtj hmm, let me explain further... ->
09:17 mtj perhaps the build times would become horrible, and it would use a f*ckton of disk
09:17 mtj but, just a thought..
09:17 ashimema lol
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10:47 Joubu I am stuck on bug 14778, need some help. If there are some DBIC exports around... The tests mocking the data fail after removing the use of DBIx::Connector
10:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14778 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Get rid of DBIx::Connector
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12:00 jcamins Joubu: you live in Marseille too, right? How's the weather?
12:04 drojf jcamins: going to marseille?
12:05 jcamins drojf: considering a vacation, and Marseille seemed to have affordable flights.
12:05 jcamins So did Oslo, so when magnuse is around, I'm going to ask him how crazy Oslo is as a vacation destination in November.
12:07 drojf that depends on the weather you would like to have i guess :D
12:07 liw jcamins, if you go to Oslo in November, you should make sure you do not get eaten by polar bears
12:08 liw (this is usually quite easy, as there aren't any in Oslo, unless they have a zoo with them)
12:09 jcamins drojf: I'm not a huge fan of snow and dark, so Oslo seems like it might be a poor choice... on the other hand, maybe Oslo is especially beautiful in November.
12:10 drojf i think snow is what makes the north less dark in winter. that and the northern lights :)
12:10 liw oslo is about as northern as helsinki, so I'm going to say the daylight hours are going to be few and short in November
12:10 liw but as Oslo is at an ocean, and Helsinki is not, I don't know how the weather in Oslo is going to be
12:11 liw (Helsink is miserable in November)
12:11 jcamins liw: yeah, that I know. The question is whether there are enough advantages to Oslo in November.
12:11 liw (better in January, when there's snow on the ground)
12:11 liw jcamins, the almost total lack of polar bears is an advantage, wouldn't you say? :)
12:11 jcamins liw: hehe.
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12:43 Joubu jcamins: no I live in Liverpool now, for 2 years :)
12:43 Joubu There was flooding last week in the south of France, near Nice
12:43 Joubu for the weather forecast, have a look at the website:[…]e/marseille/13000
12:44 Joubu If you plan to come on Saturday it will be sunny, otherwise rain on the beginning of next week :-/
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12:47 tcohen morning!
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12:57 jcamins Joubu: I'm thinking about a vacation for November, actually.
13:04 drojf do we know who uses plack in production already?
13:05 drojf dpavlin's library probably. some biblibre libraries too maybe?
13:06 drojf tcohen: are you running plack in production?
13:06 tcohen drojf: i played with it
13:07 tcohen i found a couple problems that need to be addressed
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13:07 tcohen drojf: did you give kohadevbox/ansible a chance?
13:08 tcohen so far: upgrade needed detection yields weird situation where you cannot login
13:08 tcohen cannot create label batches
13:10 tcohen Joubu: good morning
13:10 wahanui well, it's morning somewhere, yes
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13:15 tcohen ashimema++
13:16 Joubu jcamins: so it will certainly be a bit cold, but if you are lucky you will get sun, blue sky and no wind :)
13:16 ashimema ?
13:16 drojf tcohen: will have to wait for the new notebook probably. not doing much koha at home et the moment and the office computer is too slow for everything and not capable of the 64bit vt
13:17 ashimema we're runing plack and cgi in parallel to test plack in production
13:17 ashimema bit cutsomre..
13:17 ashimema burrently we're hvin some teething issues with db connections going away..
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13:17 ashimema but i'm struggling to narrow them down enough to make head nor tails of it.
13:18 Joubu ashimema: I hope it should be better when bug 14778 will be pushed
13:18 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14778 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Get rid of DBIx::Connector
13:19 drojf are there other koha benchmarking things than what is in load_testing st the moment?
13:19 ashimema Joubu.. would it be a good idea to get ribasushi to give that patch a once over..
13:19 drojf or benchmarking in general that people use with koha
13:20 ashimema I still havn't managed to pin down the actual issue.. he thought/we thought there was somtihng wrong in dbic itself that meant our usage was loosing connections..
13:20 Joubu at the moment I am stuck with it, see the last patch on the bug report. I didn't manage to make some tests pass
13:20 ashimema but I've been crap at maanging to dig out the details.. the commithash went away that was mentioned to him when we first came accros it as a bug
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13:32 schnydszch Hello all! If I update the marcxml in biblioitems, are there any repercussions? I see that there's a marc column and marcxml columns.
13:32 schnydszch the biblioitems table
13:34 schnydszch I wanted to update the RLIN of the authority records
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13:35 schnydszch which is 650$9
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13:40 drojf @later tell wizzyrea i just found that the page title displayed by google for is "". can that be changed maybe?
13:40 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
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14:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14890: Simplify processing to display a date with hours <[…]0907cd14f03dd77c4> / Bug 14890: Remove C4::Dates from circ/ <[…]2280bbd6d78ab0783> / Bug 14924: Remove C4::Dates from members/ <
14:46 drojf oh, we had a meeting yesterday?
14:47 drojf or, did not have, but were supposed to?
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16:30 nitz0 Hi people.
16:31 nitz0 Is there another way than editing to configure smntp service?
16:31 nitz0 (koha 3.20 packet)
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17:58 pianohacker hi!
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18:09 wnickc hi Kchris
18:09 Kchris hi wnickc
18:10 Kchris congratulations!
18:12 Kchris wnickc: gitifying koha on a kohabox--is this pretty straightforward?
18:12 Kchris I mean on a virtualbox
18:13 wnickc It should be, you mean one of the boxes from the Kohana wiki
18:13 Kchris yes
18:13 wnickc yeah, just following the instrcutions should go easily
18:14 Kchris thanks!
18:14 wnickc the images were package installs, so nothing tricky I don't think
18:15 Kchris I finally got the languages to install on kohadevbox (with help from Magnus), but I haven't yet managed to "activate" the languages within the administrator web interface.
18:16 Kchris Only English shows up in the preferences--the other languages I have installed don't.
18:19 wnickc hmm..I know I got them working on my vm, but I think I didn't use the package tools to do so
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19:31 tcohen1 hi
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20:05 wizzyrea drojf: I think gmcharlt may have to fix that, or someone at bywater, that's not a web property I have much to do with.
20:05 gmcharlt wizzyrea: what's the antecedent?
20:05 wizzyrea drojf: "i just found that the page title displayed by google for is "". can that be changed maybe?"
20:05 wizzyrea :)
20:11 gmcharlt hmm, doesn't look like that string is being returned by the Koha gitweb
20:11 gmcharlt Google may be hangling on to an outdated titile since we're excluding robots from that server
20:12 wizzyrea probably do need to allow them to index the home page?
20:12 wizzyrea though, not like we've changed it (or ever change it)
20:13 gmcharlt yeah, I've put in a less restricive robots.txt
20:14 wizzyrea gmcharlt++ awesome thank you
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20:43 kchris wizzrea: what does ++ after a nickname mean? is it like a compliment?
20:44 kchris sorry, wizzyrea
20:44 wizzyrea it denotes adding karma
20:45 wizzyrea so each time you ++
20:45 wizzyrea they get a point
20:45 wizzyrea @karma gmcharlt
20:45 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 164 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 164.
20:45 wizzyrea we like him :)
20:45 wizzyrea you can also -- but we don't do that very often
20:45 gmcharlt cthulhu--
20:45 gmcharlt @karma cthulhu
20:45 wizzyrea @karma cthulu
20:45 huginn gmcharlt: Karma for "cthulhu" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
20:45 huginn wizzyrea: cthulu has neutral karma.
20:45 wizzyrea keke
20:46 wizzyrea @karma IE
20:46 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 27 times for a total karma of -26.
20:46 wizzyrea we don't like IE
20:46 wizzyrea ^.^
20:46 wizzyrea well, we do -- pretty often... on IE.
20:46 wizzyrea hehe
20:46 kchris I see.
20:47 gmcharlt since IE is not actually a person, after all
20:47 wizzyrea yes, exactly. and it is also deserving of ire.
20:47 kchris wizzyrea++ thanks for the explanation.
20:47 wizzyrea but yes, good point we don't normally decrement people.
20:47 wizzyrea \o/
20:47 wizzyrea @karma wizzyrea
20:48 huginn wizzyrea: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 65 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 65.
20:48 liw kchris++ much polite, very plusplus
20:48 kchris @karma kchris
20:48 huginn kchris: Karma for "kchris" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
20:48 wizzyrea hehe liw
20:48 liw @karma liw
20:49 huginn liw: Karma for "liw" has been increased 11 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 11.
20:49 wizzyrea oh you deserve more than that
20:49 liw I don't even do anything for Koha
20:49 wizzyrea liw++
20:49 wizzyrea bs, you did like, heaps of stuff for the packages that we still use and depend on
20:49 wizzyrea we should praise you every time we koha-create
20:49 wizzyrea :)
20:50 wizzyrea one of the things I particularly like about working with Koha, is that whenever I use a part of it, I can reasonably say that I know the person who made it.
20:51 liw possibly I should try to find an opportunity to do a new bit, but it'd need to be in some kind of sprint with people who know Koha, some day
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20:51 wizzyrea (but seriously, without the kick in the pants you gave the packaging, nobody would have ever gotten around to it)
20:52 liw I'm really glad it helped the Koha community :)
20:52 wizzyrea <3
20:52 liw Koha continues to be one of nicer free software communities, ever
20:53 liw even if I learn to never, ever anger research librarians, for they politely show you every way in which you're wrong, and use footnotes and source references
20:53 wizzyrea hahaha!
20:54 wizzyrea it's funny because it's true
20:55 liw beginning of 2010 was a year when things happened
20:55 liw however, now sleep should happen to me
20:55 wizzyrea sleep well :)
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21:26 grharry I seem to get a problem after running update_bin/devel/   /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Schema/Result/  file is Different  than the Original ... Anybody with An IDEA ???
21:27 grharry sorry I mean after running  /usr/share/koha/bin/devel/​
21:38 grharry :-(
21:38 grharry :P
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21:41 eythian hi
21:41 wahanui hola, eythian
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21:46 cdickinson I just ran apt-get upgrade on this machine
21:46 cdickinson Reading package lists... 342%
21:46 cdickinson wat
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22:23 wizzyrea O.o
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22:47 tcohen morning?
22:49 Francesca hi
22:51 eythian tcohen: only just
22:51 tcohen hi eythian
22:52 eythian wahanui: smart questions
22:52 wahanui eythian: i'm not following you...
22:52 eythian wahanui: smart questions is <reply>
22:52 wahanui OK, eythian.
23:08 Francesca wahanui be eythian
23:08 wahanui Sod it all, let's head to the pub!
23:08 cdickinson it's one of those days
23:08 cdickinson is it too early for beer
23:09 Francesca I'm not coming so its up to you
23:09 cdickinson nah, I'm not actually going to drink
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